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Another Cheap or Shark Move.... (1 Viewer)

Eviloutsider

Eviloutsider

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I didn't have a defense yet and my opponent went and picked up all of them and then dropped them leaving each defense on waivers till Sunday night. This of course means I don't/won't have a defense this week.

You make the call.

 
That's called CHURNING and it should be illegal. It is totally BUSH LEAGUE. That guy should be booted.

Eviloutsider said:
I didn't have a defense yet and my opponent went and picked up all of them and then dropped them leaving each defense on waivers till Sunday night. This of course means I don't/won't have a defense this week. You make the call.
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ScottyDog said:
That's called CHURNING and it should be illegal. It is totally BUSH LEAGUE. That guy should be booted.

Eviloutsider said:
I didn't have a defense yet and my opponent went and picked up all of them and then dropped them leaving each defense on waivers till Sunday night. This of course means I don't/won't have a defense this week. You make the call.
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Agree, this totally different than the other thread and definitely should be illegal.
 
Total bush league. Your commish should give you the one you want.

I would recommend making an immediate new rule stating that any player added must be on your roster for one Tuesday (this ensures players added Wed-Sun) are on your team for a weekend's worth of games and prevents silly bush league moves like that. It stinks to make stupid rules like this, but sometimes you have to if people are going to be unethical.

 
Garbage can, classless move. Dude should be reprimanded at the very least, or booted from the league.

Change the by-laws of your league, NOW.

 
Yes, churning is bush league, and is illegal in many leagues (including Yahoo, which I use).

A league which, for some reason, has not put in a system/rule to prevent churning should do so ASAP.

 
I'm trying to figure out how the OP didn't have a defense for this week. Is his on bye?

Regardless, that's cheap. Why do you have a rule that states picking up and dropping players make them ineligible? Seems kinda dumb to me.

 
No Class. I hope you win sans a defense. That would be the best revenge. Be sure to call the ##### out on your league BB.

 
How many of these threads have we had over the years? Replace defense with kicker or visa versa. The answer is the same everytime.

 
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Touchdown Syndrome said:
Yes, churning is bush league, and is illegal in many leagues (including Yahoo, which I use).A league which, for some reason, has not put in a system/rule to prevent churning should do so ASAP.
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:pickle: Yep. Commish should let you choose a defense. In most leagues you can't even do that (i.e. it's not even possible), as it's cheating.
 
Using a glitch in technology is bogus. I never understood why there was a waiting period for waived players. If someone doesn't want them they should be open to everyone else.

Commish should definitely step in. I once had this happen to me, and it was the Commish himself who did it. I stated my position politely but firmly, and to his credit he apologized and reversed the moves. Sometimes people get a little too excited about the competition and do bogus things. Maybe pointing it out will help.

You should call the owner out encourage a change in league rules or setup.

 
Many websites default that if a player isn't on your roster for a full 24 hours, there's no waiver period if he's dropped.

 
Yea, I don't see much of a problem with it. He should only be able to pick up one defense before you. If you let him cycle through defenses before you decided to pick one up, that is your fault.

 
Agree with the thread-bush league.

Simple solution moving forward is to set up a rule that players picked up and dropped in the same week are immediately available on waivers.

 
My league has waivers as free-for-all at least a few hours before game time and then lock when each game starts to prevent this.

It's a lousy thing to do, IMHO. A good commish would correct the loophole and as it is an improvement of the league, a weak one will say we need to vote or make the change next year. Some will argue that if the rules don't stop it then it's all good. However, some things aren't anticipated when league rules are made, as commish I always have a spirit of the league rule where I can make changes that maintain the competitiveness and fairness of the league.

Shark moves are doing better research, being better at predicting production, getting value in the draft. Taking advantage of the way the software is set up, like this guy is, is cheap shot and should be fixed. Sounds like it was an oversight in setting up the waiver rules.

 
Maybe we should sticky a thread called ***OFFICIAL FANTASY FOOTBALL LEAGUE STANDARDS*** and put all of the info gathered from these kinds of threads in there?

 
Sarnoff said:
Many websites default that if a player isn't on your roster for a full 24 hours, there's no waiver period if he's dropped.
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This. There should be rules in place to prevent this from owners from doing this. What he did was bush league, but it was within the rules of your league so he shouldn't be punished in anyway.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Using a glitch in technology is bogus. I never understood why there was a waiting period for waived players. If someone doesn't want them they should be open to everyone else.

Commish should definitely step in. I once had this happen to me, and it was the Commish himself who did it. I stated my position politely but firmly, and to his credit he apologized and reversed the moves. Sometimes people get a little too excited about the competition and do bogus things. Maybe pointing it out will help.

You should call the owner out encourage a change in league rules or setup.
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It's so all owners have an opportunity to look into who is released. Some owners are more casual than others and don't or aren't able to check waivers on a regular basis. I have transaction alerts, so not having time limits benefits me, but as commish I put in a waiting period to accommodate those that play more casually.
 
Not a cool move by the other owner, but league rules should prohibit this so it's not even a possibility.

League should adopt one of these rules:

No waiver period for dropped players.

Waiver period for dropped players up to within 24 hours of the start of their game.

I never understand why some people would want to win by any means possible. Rules or no rules, there should be some minimal ethics involved. It's nice if there is a gentlemen's agreement aspect to the league, but when someone acts like this guy (You're no gentleman! But I'm no doorknob either.) then you have to add rules to make sure it can't happen. I suppose I'm too much of an idealist.

As a Commissioner in the FF stone age when everything was done by hand, on multiple occasions I reminded my opponent about incorrect lineups and bye week mishaps (which was easier to do when the bye week was new -- it started in 1990 -- and especially in 1993 when there were two bye weeks).

I suppose some people would hack the scores on the league website if it would get them the win but I fail to see the accomplishment or satisfaction drawn from winning that way.

 
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Disagree with most the others in here.

Looks like your opponent is a shark who executed a perfect Operation: Catch and Release on your ###.

It pays to know your league's rules. Tough break.

Don't procrastinate next time, or get the league to vote on a new rule that the waivers waiting period for players added and dropped in the same week is null and void if another owner requests such a player.

Said players are then awarded to teams by the commish on a first come, first serve basis.

 
we have a transaction fee set at %5 of the league buy in. Every D that he picked up would cost him.

And yes that is a bush league thing to do.

 
If I saw this as commish, I'd go drop all the DEF to Free Agent and probably tell the loser that did it not to do it again. It shouldn't have to be stated.

 
Black said:
If I saw this as commish, I'd go drop all the DEF to Free Agent and probably tell the loser that did it not to do it again. It shouldn't have to be stated.
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Yes, it should be stated. In a rule. Either vote in a new rule as I and others outlined above, or charge transaction fees, or both.A commish isn't supposed to make #### up as they go along. Their job is to run the league and enforce the rules.
 
Successful leagues that I have either run or commished only allow FA/WW pick-ups once per week. That way all owners have equal opportunities to pick-up players.

IF you play in leagues that allow the "fastest finger" to pick up free agents, then there should be either a limit to the number of free agents that any team can pick-up for the year (especially if dropped players are frozen for a week) or there should be a charge for each FA/WW pick-up made, or both.

Since I assume that you were knowledgeable in this league's rules, I can only ask you why you did not protect yourself by making a WW move before your opponent could make this "bush league" move?

In conclusion, since your opponent followed the rules and you did not protect yourself, it is too bad for you. If you play in leagues that have "bush league" rules, expect someone to make a "bush league" move.

 
In my :goodposting: league, each owner has THREE (3) waiver wire add/drop moves for the season. Eliminates revolving door WW moves and this churning nonsense.

Talk about maximizing the importance of both your draft and trading... :goodposting:

 
I vote cheap over shark on this one.

I also think if your league does not want to make major changes to the waiver rules that a slight modification could be made for players picked up and dropped in the same week.

I'm in several leagues that have a rule that any player that is picked up and dropped in the same week can be 'unlocked' by special request to the commissioner (i.e. email).

This way most players dropped every week are still locked until the following week's waivers but churning is eliminated. In some cases you will pickup and drop the same player in a week due to injuries, weather, roster limits, etc. but this rule will eliminate obvious churning.

If your league has blind bidding waivers followed by FCFS it's a good idea to place a cost (in terms of blind bidding bux) to the FCFS moves too. My leagues make FCFS moves $5 out of 200 budget for the year.

 
cash n carry said:
Successful leagues that I have either run or commished only allow FA/WW pick-ups once per week. That way all owners have equal opportunities to pick-up players.IF you play in leagues that allow the "fastest finger" to pick up free agents, then there should be either a limit to the number of free agents that any team can pick-up for the year (especially if dropped players are frozen for a week) or there should be a charge for each FA/WW pick-up made, or both.Since I assume that you were knowledgeable in this league's rules, I can only ask you why you did not protect yourself by making a WW move before your opponent could make this "bush league" move?In conclusion, since your opponent followed the rules and you did not protect yourself, it is too bad for you. If you play in leagues that have "bush league" rules, expect someone to make a "bush league" move.
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Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Using a glitch in technology is bogus. I never understood why there was a waiting period for waived players. If someone doesn't want them they should be open to everyone else.
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Because you could drop Randy Moss at 3am in the morning and tell your buddy you are going to do it so he can pick him up before anyone is aware that Moss was available. The waiting period is so everyone sees a player that is dropped and has an equal chance at claiming him.
 
jon_mx said:
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Using a glitch in technology is bogus. I never understood why there was a waiting period for waived players. If someone doesn't want them they should be open to everyone else.
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Because you could drop Randy Moss at 3am in the morning and tell your buddy you are going to do it so he can pick him up before anyone is aware that Moss was available. The waiting period is so everyone sees a player that is dropped and has an equal chance at claiming him.
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However, this would be collusion...and a COMPLETELY different topic.
 
I think you need to pay better attention to your own team and then you wouldn't have to worry about something like this.

 
I agree it is a bush move however the OP has to take some of the hit here....

and the commish has to be careful how he handles it.....let's say it IS his job to protect the integrity of the league....well if he goes back now and allows that owner to pick up one of those defenses, then he is making a change that is benefiting an owner, and some could say that his reaction also goes against the integrity of the league, because just as much as he is "protecting" the league against this bush league move (that is not illegal at this time), he is also "bailing out" another owner......

a compromise might be that things stay the way they are through this week, but then the rule gets changed.....it would be a learning lesson for all......and I am sure the ridicule that this guy will receive will be enough of a lesson for him......

 
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I'd go with both, plus a :confused: on your commish for having crappy rules in place.

 
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The people defending this as a shark move are the same people that use nano-blitzes and crap in Madden and then claim that they're good at videogame defense.

This isn't anything new, or smart. It's been around (and discussed) for a decade and doing it is no better than logging into someone else's account and dropping their defense 5 minutes before kickoff. Last I checked, there's no rule against that either.

 
To drop your defense you must have picked up a player who'll you have to drop... leaving that player unavailable for another team to pick up and play this week. Therefore, how much worse is what he did than what you did?

Yes, it should be illegal to churn that many players because it could become abusive, but your strategy would be illegal in a lot of leagues as well. I give Kudos to your opponent for causing your move to backfire at you.

 
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