Another Crawford Deal (1 Viewer)

[KiddLattimer]

AL only, 5x5, 8 teams, keepers with $32 salary cap. I can keep 8 - 4 hitters and 4 pitchers OR 5 hitters and 3 pitchers.

I was offered the following deal, what do you guys think?

I give: Crawford ($0.60), Escobar ($1.20)

I get: ARod ($5.00), V-Mart ($.50) + choice of Thome ($3.60) or Blalock ($.50)

I'm going to try and get something other than Thome or Blalock because I likely wont keep either.

If I make the deal my keepers would be:

VMart ($.50)

ARod ($5.00)

M Young ($.30)

Longoria ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)

Youkilis ($.60)

Lackey ($.60)

Hughes ($.50)

Buchholz ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)

If Longoria doesnt make their opening day roster I will replace him with Baldelli ($.50), Bartlett ($.10) or Bettancourt ($.10)

If Buchholz doesn't make their opening day rosters I will replace them with Scot Shields ($0.40) or trade for another pitcher.

The average player goes for about $2, pitchers tend to go higher around $3-4, big names like ARod and Vlad go for $5 or more each, ARod will likely go for $6-7 if he hits the market.

 

[boom king]

AL only, 5x5, 8 teams, keepers with $32 salary cap. I can keep 8 - 4 hitters and 4 pitchers OR 5 hitters and 3 pitchers.I was offered the following deal, what do you guys think?I give: Crawford ($0.60), Escobar ($1.20)I get: ARod ($5.00), V-Mart ($.50) + choice of Thome ($3.60) or Blalock ($.50)I'm going to try and get something other than Thome or Blalock because I likely wont keep either. If I make the deal my keepers would be:VMart ($.50)ARod ($5.00)M Young ($.30)Longoria ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)Youkilis ($.60)Lackey ($.60)Hughes ($.50)Buchholz ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)If Longoria doesnt make their opening day roster I will replace him with Baldelli ($.50), Bartlett ($.10) or Bettancourt ($.10)If Buchholz doesn't make their opening day rosters I will replace them with Scot Shields ($0.40) or trade for another pitcher.The average player goes for about $2, pitchers tend to go higher around $3-4, big names like ARod and Vlad go for $5 or more each, ARod will likely go for $6-7 if he hits the market.

do it, if you get the best player at a bargain, than go ahead. assuming you plan on competing this year. im a firm believer in doing whatever it takes to have the best team every single year... i dont like selling out for a "chance" in the future.

 

[Bobcat10]

Vmart/Craw are equally solid value dollar wise (statistically they are somewhat different) and both are under 30yrs old. You're getting Arod for Escobar, who is gonna depress alot of overpayers this year. Arod for Escobar, that sounds sick. Also, it's quite possible the Crawford trade rumors heat up again. I'm not sure how you could justify not taking this deal. Steals? I don't think so.

 

[boom king]

Vmart/Craw are equally solid value dollar wise (statistically they are somewhat different) and both are under 30yrs old. You're getting Arod for Escobar, who is gonna depress alot of overpayers this year. Also, it's quite possible the Crawford trade rumors heat up again. I'm not sure how you could justify not taking this deal. Steals? I don't think so.

well put, getting the #1 best player in fantasy for what he describes as a discount ($5) is a hell of a deal...

 

[jtnt1096]

When evaluating a deal, determine who the best player in the deal is. If you are getting him, so for it.

A-Rod is the best guy in this deal, plus you will get getting maybe the best catcher.

I do it for A-Rod, V-Mart, and Blalock. I realize Blalock is coming off an injury, but I think he bounces back big this year and then you have him to trade or just use as a CI. Just look at his numbers when he returned last year. It is a small sample size, but I think he shows his potential for '08.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Thanks for the input guys.

I may consider trying to get Magglio ($3.10) + VMart ($.50) for Crawford alone, then go HARD after ARod in the draft (I was told the highest salary ever in this league was $5.40 so ARod may get tossed back in the draft. If he doesnt I can go hard after Miggy Cabrera as a consolation. This would leave me with Escobar and 3 strong pitchers (Hughes, Escobar & Lackey).

Thoughts on Maggs this year? He a 1 hit wonder?

 

[Bobcat10]

Thanks for the input guys. I may consider trying to get Magglio ($3.10) + VMart ($.50) for Crawford alone, then go HARD after ARod in the draft (I was told the highest salary ever in this league was $5.40 so ARod may get tossed back in the draft. If he doesnt I can go hard after Miggy Cabrera as a consolation. This would leave me with Escobar and 3 strong pitchers (Hughes, Escobar & Lackey). Thoughts on Maggs this year? He a 1 hit wonder?

I wouldn't say he's a 1 hit wonder, just look at that lineup this year and that potential, but I would venture to say he just had his career year. So you are debating spending $4.30 on Maggs+Escobar instead of $5 on ARod, then want to go after ARod hard in the draft? Essentially, that would put about 1/3 of your cap into these three players. That's also assuming the team you are dealing with doesn't keep ARod.I'm not sure of all the entangbles like other keepers/rosters/salaries/etc (nor am I really interested), but just from what is printed here I would take ARod, VMart and Blalock (and keep him) over VMart, Maggs and Escobar (with the slim potential of ARod). Maybe I'm devaluing Escobar in an AL only keeper league. This very well could be true. But with Hughes and Lackey heading up your rotation, I'm sure you could find some good value pitchers in the draft to mix in.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Thanks for the input guys. I may consider trying to get Magglio ($3.10) + VMart ($.50) for Crawford alone, then go HARD after ARod in the draft (I was told the highest salary ever in this league was $5.40 so ARod may get tossed back in the draft. If he doesnt I can go hard after Miggy Cabrera as a consolation. This would leave me with Escobar and 3 strong pitchers (Hughes, Escobar & Lackey). Thoughts on Maggs this year? He a 1 hit wonder?

I wouldn't say he's a 1 hit wonder, just look at that lineup this year and that potential, but I would venture to say he just had his career year. So you are debating spending $4.30 on Maggs+Escobar instead of $5 on ARod, then want to go after ARod hard in the draft? Essentially, that would put about 1/3 of your cap into these three players. That's also assuming the team you are dealing with doesn't keep ARod.I'm not sure of all the entangbles like other keepers/rosters/salaries/etc (nor am I really interested), but just from what is printed here I would take ARod, VMart and Blalock (and keep him) over VMart, Maggs and Escobar (with the slim potential of ARod). Maybe I'm devaluing Escobar in an AL only keeper league. This very well could be true. But with Hughes and Lackey heading up your rotation, I'm sure you could find some good value pitchers in the draft to mix in.

Yeah its not so much Escobar that I really care about, as much as it is a quality pitcher @ $1.20 when most of them run $4-5 in the draft. I also need to keep at least 3 pitchers and if Buchholz does not make the Sawks opening day roster I have 2 with only Scot Sheilds remotely worth keeping (bleah). I appreciate the advice though, its an interesting dilema.

 

[guru_007]

I don't know why you are so adamant about trading Crawford away. At .60, that represents about 1.5% of your budget, and while he may not be quite as valuable as ARod, in a 5x5 AL league, there is something to be said for keeping a guy who is about a shoe in for 50+ sb's. Is ARod 10x better than Crawford? How about the fact you can keep Crawford AND go after ARod during the auction?

Keeper leagues are awesome, but sometimes they are really hard to ask for/give advice to other non-involved owners, simply because of the dynamics of each league. It's easier to assess whom to keep when you have access to all other teams, can figure out who is being kept and who will become available. If it were me, I would keep all of my low priced guys and try to attack a few big names during the draft. I've always been high on Crawford because he can hit for a decent average, has adequate pop, and can steal a ton of bases. He's a guy you plug in your OF, and don't have to worry about chasing after Julio Lugo's black hole of an average or Jerry Owens black hole of power to try to get some more steals. You can concentrate on filling your offense with bigger boppers because you know you are already in the top half of the league in steals (probably top third). And at .60 cost, you still have 98.5% of your budget to round out the rest of your team. Even factoring for inflation, that's a pretty good bird in the hand, imo.

Just re-read your post and noticed it's an 8 team league, which is fairly shallow, but I still think the idea is sound. Why trade a solid keeper for a 5 buck ARod, when you can keep the guy and buy ARod.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Thats a good point Guru, but I wouldnt say I REALLY want to trade Crawford, but last year I traded most of my cheaper players for Teixeira and Johan, both of whom are now in the NL so I feel like my cupboard is bare in terms of keepers. Basically what I am thinking is that if I can get 2 really good players for 1 great one, I would most likely be much better off.

As it stands now my keepers are adequate but not great. If Buchholz and Longoria are in the minors to start I'm pretty well up a creek without a paddle. (Yes I agree it is a VERY stupid rule)

 

[guru_007]

Right, I understand you lost two cornerstones of your team from your other thread. That being said, in a keeper league a cheap very good guy that can be kept this and subsequent years, is more valuable imo than two very good guys....unless you are just a piece or two away from a championship team. Since it appears that your team is mediocre to start the year, I'd be hesitant on trading away my cornerstone, even for ARod, because he may not lead you to a championship this year, and you would be hamstringing your team in future years with a heavy contract.

Of course all of this is being said without the vagues idea of who may be available this year in the draft, and what type of inflation you are looking at. I'm just a bit more conservative in keeper leagues than most.

 

[Bobcat10]

While these have nothing to do with Crawford, these news bits should be of interest to you. Buchholz should be keeper available for you and Escobar is gonna be garbage this year.

News: MLB.com reports Angels manager Mike Scioscia said it is "doubtful (Kelvim Escobar) will be ready to start the season" because of a sore pitching shoulder. He is hopeful that treatments will have Escobar back in the rotation before too long. "You can't rush it," Scisocia said. Escobar experienced discomfort in his right shoulder throwing before Christmas. He felt more pain in the following weeks and then decided to alert management. He has already begun to rehab at the team's spring training site in Arizona. Escobar's injury means that Joe Saunders and Ervin Santana, both vying for the fifth spot in the rotation, might both be on the opening day roster.

Analysis: A MRI exam showed no significant damage, so the Angels are hopeful Escobar will be back as the No. 2 starter shortly after the season begins. Escobar was 18-7 with a 3.40 ERA in 30 starts for the AL West champions last season. He really surprised many with his performance and was coming into the 2008 season as a top 25 Fantasy SP. However, this injury has to plant some doubt in Fantasy owners' minds. Escobar might have to deal with long-term ramifications, if he pushes himself too hard before he is ready to play. Fantasy owners will want to track Escobar's progress, because when at 100 percent, he can really fire the ball.

News: Amid Curt Schilling's chronic shoulder problems that might end his career and will at least keep him out the first half of the season, Clay Buchholz now enters spring training as the likely No. 5 starter for the Red Sox.

Analysis: The 23-year-old Buchholz pitched a no-hitter in his second major league start, but didn't factor in Boston's plans down the stretch. The right-hander has outstanding potential, especially if he opens the year in the rotation behind that great offense. You cannot expect more than 180 innings at this point, but taking his turn every five days for the potent Red Sox should mean double-digit victories. He should be drafted in all leagues and might even be the favorite for AL Rookie of the Year honors.

 

[Bobcat10]

And what if you don't know Buchholz doesn't make the team until a few days before the season? Wouldn't your draft have been completed?

 

[KiddLattimer]

And what if you don't know Buchholz doesn't make the team until a few days before the season? Wouldn't your draft have been completed?

Actually the Japan game happens before our draft does so we would know with Boston and Oakland. It's basically anyone who breaks camp with the parent club is eligible to be kept. With Schilling out for a while it looks like Buchholz should make the roster after all, at least on day one. Had another interesting offer for Craw (At this point I am leaning toward keeping him, but I put him "on the block" so I am getting multiple offers daily).Bedard ($.60) and Figgins ($1.70) for Crawford. This one doesnt blow up my pitching staff or my steals. Thoughts?(Sorry for all the offer posting, but hey, there isnt much real baseball talk to look forward to for a while anyway)

 

[guru_007]

And what if you don't know Buchholz doesn't make the team until a few days before the season? Wouldn't your draft have been completed?

Actually the Japan game happens before our draft does so we would know with Boston and Oakland. It's basically anyone who breaks camp with the parent club is eligible to be kept. With Schilling out for a while it looks like Buchholz should make the roster after all, at least on day one. Had another interesting offer for Craw (At this point I am leaning toward keeping him, but I put him "on the block" so I am getting multiple offers daily).Bedard ($.60) and Figgins ($1.70) for Crawford. This one doesnt blow up my pitching staff or my steals. Thoughts?(Sorry for all the offer posting, but hey, there isnt much real baseball talk to look forward to for a while anyway)

I think I could go for this trade. Bedard moving to a more pitcher friendly park on a better team and still relatively young is nice.And getting Figgins at a reasonable price works for me. If it were me, I'd seriously consider this offer.

 

[boom king]

And what if you don't know Buchholz doesn't make the team until a few days before the season? Wouldn't your draft have been completed?

Actually the Japan game happens before our draft does so we would know with Boston and Oakland. It's basically anyone who breaks camp with the parent club is eligible to be kept. With Schilling out for a while it looks like Buchholz should make the roster after all, at least on day one. Had another interesting offer for Craw (At this point I am leaning toward keeping him, but I put him "on the block" so I am getting multiple offers daily).Bedard ($.60) and Figgins ($1.70) for Crawford. This one doesnt blow up my pitching staff or my steals. Thoughts?(Sorry for all the offer posting, but hey, there isnt much real baseball talk to look forward to for a while anyway)

I think I could go for this trade. Bedard moving to a more pitcher friendly park on a better team and still relatively young is nice.And getting Figgins at a reasonable price works for me. If it were me, I'd seriously consider this offer.

i like this one as well...

 

[Bobcat10]

So, deal A would be:

VMart ($.50)

ARod ($5.00)

M Young ($.30)

Blalock ($.50)

Youkilis ($.60)

Lackey ($.60)

Hughes ($.50)

Buchholz ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)-----

$8.50 total

-----Scot Shields ($0.40)

Deal B would be:

Figgins ($1.70)

M Young ($.30)

Longoria ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)+++++

Youkilis ($.60)

Bedard ($.60)

Lackey ($.60)

Hughes ($.50)

Buchholz ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)*****

$5.30 total

+++++ Baldelli ($.50), Bartlett ($.10) or Bettancourt ($.10)

*****Escobar ($1.20) OR Baldelli ($.50), Bartlett ($.10) or Bettancourt ($.10) for the 5 hitter/3 pitcher route

Tough call.

I think Buchholz makes the squad out of camp, so I wouldn't be worried about having to keep Shields or trading for another pitcher in regards to A.

How many DH/UTIL spots do you have? One drawback to deal A is that Blalock either is a reserve on your team or is your DH/UTIL. You could probably do better in an 8-man league.

Deal B gives you what I would think is a fantastic start to a pitching staff. I think Figgins is overvalued based on the other values we've seen in here (probably because of steals), but it might be worth it to get Bedard.

Right now, I say deal B, cutting Escobar. You're gonna have to bid strong for hitting going this route, which seems like the best way to go since you said pitchers tend to go for higher values. Bedard, Lackey, Hughes and Buchholz for just over $2.00 seems like a crime.

 

[KiddLattimer]

So, deal A would be:VMart ($.50)ARod ($5.00)M Young ($.30)Blalock ($.50)Youkilis ($.60)Lackey ($.60)Hughes ($.50)Buchholz ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)-----$8.50 total-----Scot Shields ($0.40) Deal B would be:Figgins ($1.70)M Young ($.30)Longoria ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)+++++Youkilis ($.60)Bedard ($.60)Lackey ($.60)Hughes ($.50)Buchholz ($.50) <-- if he makes the team (cant keep otherwise)*****$5.30 total+++++ Baldelli ($.50), Bartlett ($.10) or Bettancourt ($.10)*****Escobar ($1.20) OR Baldelli ($.50), Bartlett ($.10) or Bettancourt ($.10) for the 5 hitter/3 pitcher routeTough call. I think Buchholz makes the squad out of camp, so I wouldn't be worried about having to keep Shields or trading for another pitcher in regards to A.How many DH/UTIL spots do you have? One drawback to deal A is that Blalock either is a reserve on your team or is your DH/UTIL. You could probably do better in an 8-man league. Deal B gives you what I would think is a fantastic start to a pitching staff. I think Figgins is overvalued based on the other values we've seen in here (probably because of steals), but it might be worth it to get Bedard. Right now, I say deal B, cutting Escobar. You're gonna have to bid strong for hitting going this route, which seems like the best way to go since you said pitchers tend to go for higher values. Bedard, Lackey, Hughes and Buchholz for just over $2.00 seems like a crime.

Actually Figgins is probably valued slightly lower than he would be on the market (I'm guessing he is a $2.30-2.80 guy) because of his steals. The trick with this league is that a lot of the really good players are dirt cheap due to keepers so the inflation is through the roof. Some other news came along, I got offered Mauer ($1) for Buchholz ($.50) straight up so I think I might take that and go with the Bedard/Figgins deal but its very close. The guy who offered the VMart / ARod deal also offered Daniel Cabrera ($1.10) along with ARod/Vmart/Blalock for Craw/Escobar. Interesting though Im not a big Cabrera guy... love the K's though.I should also mention that the reason this guy is offering VMart/Blalock are because he cant keep them this year and he probably doesnt want ARod's $5 salary. We get to keep players for 2 years (3 if we draft them - 1yr drafted + 2 kept years). When a player is traded we get to keep them for this year and next year before they have to be traded again (why salaries are so low). I have to trade Crawford prior to NEXT year but I have a full year + offseason before I HAVE TO trade him. Didnt think putting Crawford on the block would get this much interest. Glad I love trading!!

 

[KiddLattimer]

How many DH/UTIL spots do you have? One drawback to deal A is that Blalock either is a reserve on your team or is your DH/UTIL. You could probably do better in an 8-man league.

One of each, also could play Blalock at Corner Infield. We start 15 hitters, 10 pitchers. C, C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, CI, MI, OF, OF, OF, OF, OF, DH, UTIL