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Another school shooting (4 Viewers)

Such silliness. My wife's school has an empty police car parked out front every morning now. Everyone knows that the police are just parking an empty car there and that there are no officers actually there since they made that clear to the community.

Such a blatant admittance by our society that we just want the government to tell us we're safe even when EVERYONE knows it's just for show and doesn't actually MAKE us safer.

 
It is too far back now for me to find and quote, but we were talking a couple of days ago about what was true among the stories of the kids running past the gunman (though I guess they could have been in hiding until after). There are a couple of videos floating around of a man named Gene Rosen who found six traumatized kids on his lawn before he knew what had happened. These seem to be those kids from Victoria Soto's class. I don't think he mentioned her in the first video I saw. But he was interviewed on the local news last night and quoted the kids as saying "Miss Soto" and that they couldn't go back because their teacher was dead.

Here is one recount

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/newtown-retiree-comforted-6-sandy-hook-elementary-survivors-article-1.1223138

 
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'matuski said:
'Warpig said:
Not sure if it has been mentioned in here all ready or not, why not post a member of the military at each and every school? All you would need is one soldier with his government issue rifle and/or sidearm. I think that would be pretty intimidating to some nutcase. Just make the school the place of duty for him/her and you're good. Wouldn't have to pay them anything since they are already getting paid by Uncle Sam. Just seems to easy to me.
Yep, our soldiers are immune to suicidal tendencies.
Crossed the line. What don't you say that to the face of a soldier.
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A lot of those suicides are from guys coming back from the litter box (which is why it is up 80% over that time). Lots of BS going on over there and as usual, the White House ignores the help that is needed.You can assign troops that haven't seen copius amounts of combat action. That way PTSD is less of an issue. All you need is one that can shoot a rifle and hit a target. Assign the guy in the general's office whose job is to fetch and make coffee! I really think that the mere presence of a soldier in uniform with a rifle slung over his shoulder would be a great deterent to a psycho. These people are cowards and they don't want any resistance to carrying out their plan.

 
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It is too far back now for me to find and quote, but we were talking a couple of days ago about what was true among the stories of the kids running past the gunman (though I guess they could have been in hiding until after). There are a couple of videos floating around of a man named Gene Rosen who found six traumatized kids on his lawn before he knew what had happened. These seem to be those kids from Victoria Soto's class. I don't think he mentioned her in the first video I saw. But he was interviewed on the local news last night and quoted the kids as saying "Miss Soto" and that they couldn't go back because their teacher was dead.

Here is one recount

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1223138
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It is too far back now for me to find and quote, but we were talking a couple of days ago about what was true among the stories of the kids running past the gunman (though I guess they could have been in hiding until after). There are a couple of videos floating around of a man named Gene Rosen who found six traumatized kids on his lawn before he knew what had happened. These seem to be those kids from Victoria Soto's class. I don't think he mentioned her in the first video I saw. But he was interviewed on the local news last night and quoted the kids as saying "Miss Soto" and that they couldn't go back because their teacher was dead. Here is one recounthttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/newtown-retiree-comforted-6-sandy-hook-elementary-survivors-article-1.1223138
I heard this story too. I also heard it reported that they found these students hiding in the closet in Soto's room.
 
Onions...

NOAH POZNER

From mother, Veronique Pozner: "The sky is crying, and the flags are at half-mast. It is a sad, sad day. But it is also your day, Noah, my little man. I will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. I will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes, framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room. Most of all, I will miss your visions of your future. You wanted to be a doctor, a soldier, a taco factory manager. It was your favorite food, and no doubt you wanted to ensure that the world kept producing tacos. You were a little boy whose life force had all the gravitational pull of a celestial body. You were light and love, mischief and pranks. You adored your family with every fiber of your 6-year-old being. We are all of us elevated in our humanity by having known you. A little maverick, who didn't always want to do his schoolwork or clean up his toys, when practicing his ninja moves or Super Mario on the Wii seemed far more important. Noah, you will not pass through this way again. I can only believe that you were planted on Earth to bloom in heaven. Take flight, my boy. Soar. You now have the wings you always wanted. Go to that peaceful valley that we will all one day come to know. I will join you someday. Not today. I still have lots of mommy love to give to Danielle, Michael, Sophia and Arielle. Until then, your melody will linger in our hearts forever. Momma loves you, little man..."

 
Onions... NOAH POZNER From mother, Veronique Pozner: "The sky is crying, and the flags are at half-mast. It is a sad, sad day. But it is also your day, Noah, my little man. I will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. I will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes, framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room. Most of all, I will miss your visions of your future. You wanted to be a doctor, a soldier, a taco factory manager. It was your favorite food, and no doubt you wanted to ensure that the world kept producing tacos. You were a little boy whose life force had all the gravitational pull of a celestial body. You were light and love, mischief and pranks. You adored your family with every fiber of your 6-year-old being. We are all of us elevated in our humanity by having known you. A little maverick, who didn't always want to do his schoolwork or clean up his toys, when practicing his ninja moves or Super Mario on the Wii seemed far more important. Noah, you will not pass through this way again. I can only believe that you were planted on Earth to bloom in heaven. Take flight, my boy. Soar. You now have the wings you always wanted. Go to that peaceful valley that we will all one day come to know. I will join you someday. Not today. I still have lots of mommy love to give to Danielle, Michael, Sophia and Arielle. Until then, your melody will linger in our hearts forever. Momma loves you, little man..."
I literally have tears in my eyes right now. :cry:
 
Onions... NOAH POZNER From mother, Veronique Pozner: "The sky is crying, and the flags are at half-mast. It is a sad, sad day. But it is also your day, Noah, my little man. I will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. I will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes, framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room. Most of all, I will miss your visions of your future. You wanted to be a doctor, a soldier, a taco factory manager. It was your favorite food, and no doubt you wanted to ensure that the world kept producing tacos. You were a little boy whose life force had all the gravitational pull of a celestial body. You were light and love, mischief and pranks. You adored your family with every fiber of your 6-year-old being. We are all of us elevated in our humanity by having known you. A little maverick, who didn't always want to do his schoolwork or clean up his toys, when practicing his ninja moves or Super Mario on the Wii seemed far more important. Noah, you will not pass through this way again. I can only believe that you were planted on Earth to bloom in heaven. Take flight, my boy. Soar. You now have the wings you always wanted. Go to that peaceful valley that we will all one day come to know. I will join you someday. Not today. I still have lots of mommy love to give to Danielle, Michael, Sophia and Arielle. Until then, your melody will linger in our hearts forever. Momma loves you, little man..."
Wow.... :cry:
 
Onions... NOAH POZNER From mother, Veronique Pozner: "The sky is crying, and the flags are at half-mast. It is a sad, sad day. But it is also your day, Noah, my little man. I will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. I will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes, framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room. Most of all, I will miss your visions of your future. You wanted to be a doctor, a soldier, a taco factory manager. It was your favorite food, and no doubt you wanted to ensure that the world kept producing tacos. You were a little boy whose life force had all the gravitational pull of a celestial body. You were light and love, mischief and pranks. You adored your family with every fiber of your 6-year-old being. We are all of us elevated in our humanity by having known you. A little maverick, who didn't always want to do his schoolwork or clean up his toys, when practicing his ninja moves or Super Mario on the Wii seemed far more important. Noah, you will not pass through this way again. I can only believe that you were planted on Earth to bloom in heaven. Take flight, my boy. Soar. You now have the wings you always wanted. Go to that peaceful valley that we will all one day come to know. I will join you someday. Not today. I still have lots of mommy love to give to Danielle, Michael, Sophia and Arielle. Until then, your melody will linger in our hearts forever. Momma loves you, little man..."
Yup...that one was hard to read.
 
Such silliness. My wife's school has an empty police car parked out front every morning now. Everyone knows that the police are just parking an empty car there and that there are no officers actually there since they made that clear to the community. Such a blatant admittance by our society that we just want the government to tell us we're safe even when EVERYONE knows it's just for show and doesn't actually MAKE us safer.
It's the placebo effect
 
Onions... NOAH POZNER From mother, Veronique Pozner: "The sky is crying, and the flags are at half-mast. It is a sad, sad day. But it is also your day, Noah, my little man. I will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. I will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes, framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room. Most of all, I will miss your visions of your future. You wanted to be a doctor, a soldier, a taco factory manager. It was your favorite food, and no doubt you wanted to ensure that the world kept producing tacos. You were a little boy whose life force had all the gravitational pull of a celestial body. You were light and love, mischief and pranks. You adored your family with every fiber of your 6-year-old being. We are all of us elevated in our humanity by having known you. A little maverick, who didn't always want to do his schoolwork or clean up his toys, when practicing his ninja moves or Super Mario on the Wii seemed far more important. Noah, you will not pass through this way again. I can only believe that you were planted on Earth to bloom in heaven. Take flight, my boy. Soar. You now have the wings you always wanted. Go to that peaceful valley that we will all one day come to know. I will join you someday. Not today. I still have lots of mommy love to give to Danielle, Michael, Sophia and Arielle. Until then, your melody will linger in our hearts forever. Momma loves you, little man..."
Jesus...
 
(As reported by Anderson Cooper, ) Noah's mother wanted to bury him with letters from the family and put a request on Twitter because she didn't know how to get his little cousin's letter from Seattle in time for the funeral.. Jet Blue responded to her and got it done.

 
Seeing and reading this is burning me out. I have a hard time going through Newtown and my son wants me to take him to Sandy Hook, to pick up our present from the toy store; I honestly do not know if I can hold it together.

 
'biggamer3 said:
Onions... NOAH POZNER From mother, Veronique Pozner: "The sky is crying, and the flags are at half-mast. It is a sad, sad day. But it is also your day, Noah, my little man. I will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. I will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes, framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room. Most of all, I will miss your visions of your future. You wanted to be a doctor, a soldier, a taco factory manager. It was your favorite food, and no doubt you wanted to ensure that the world kept producing tacos. You were a little boy whose life force had all the gravitational pull of a celestial body. You were light and love, mischief and pranks. You adored your family with every fiber of your 6-year-old being. We are all of us elevated in our humanity by having known you. A little maverick, who didn't always want to do his schoolwork or clean up his toys, when practicing his ninja moves or Super Mario on the Wii seemed far more important. Noah, you will not pass through this way again. I can only believe that you were planted on Earth to bloom in heaven. Take flight, my boy. Soar. You now have the wings you always wanted. Go to that peaceful valley that we will all one day come to know. I will join you someday. Not today. I still have lots of mommy love to give to Danielle, Michael, Sophia and Arielle. Until then, your melody will linger in our hearts forever. Momma loves you, little man..."
man, that hurts.
 
My wife's school has had a police officer stationed at their front desk since Monday. They think it will last just this week to make a "show" for people who are concerned.

The pictures of the last two child victims were released. Really pulled at my heart as I have a 2 1/2 year old daughter named Alison who has long brown hair like the Allison killed in the shooting.

 
####! I am so mad because of what has happened to these young children. I am so mad because I don't know what is the right thing to do to help. Helpless knowing that any day this could happen again and nothing anyone can do about it. ####!

 
'matuski said:
'Henry Ford said:
'matuski said:
'Henry Ford said:
'matuski said:
'JoePlumber said:
Dropped my kid off this morning. No cop cars outside. We always go in the side door. Completely unlocked. :hot: :rant:
There is some serious knee-jerk overreaction going on.
:goodposting: If you read that some guy across the country from you got struck and killed by lightning, would you spend the day staying inside?
I get what you guys are getting at, but the comparison you make here is idiotic.
I would argue the opposite. Your concern is about the safety of your child, but you routinely ignore dozens if not hundreds of threats each day much more realistic and likely than your child being shot at school.On the way to school every car your drove past was easily more of a threat to your child.
The United States cannot effectively function with a motor vehicle ban. Most American families cannot effectively function without motor vehicles. His child needs to get to school to have any real shot at a life in this country. What option do you suggest in order to make that drive to school safer or eliminate that drive? I'm sure if you can make the roads safer with your suggestions, he'd be all over it. I would. Looking forward to hearing what to do next.
My suggestion is to go to school, live your life not in fear but in search of enjoying and pursuing said life in this country. :thumbup: As opposed to fearing what you can't control or understand. Or fretting over a school door being unlocked. Or how many cop cars are parked outside.
And my suggestion - and, I think, the suggestions of others in this thread - is that when there are ways to make the world a safer place for our children, and those laws do not unacceptably infringe on the rights and privileges on the rest of the American populace, we should work to make those ways a reality. Like we should enact laws that require you to have your car inspected every X number of years to make sure it's not a hazard on the road. We should enact more stringent manufacturing standards, requiring safety features in cars. We should give stiff penalties to drunk drivers and others who make it more dangerous than necessary to drive on the streets.Oh, wait, we already do those things. Great, let's focus on ways to prevent mass shootings in here, then.
Random acts of craziness (lets place mass shootings of school age children in this bucket, shall we?) are never going to be prevented. Like I said, knee-jerk overreaction. Glad we are on the same page.
Maybe not prevented, but let's not pretend that there aren't solutions that have worked elsewhere. In 1996, Australia had a mass shooting, 35 dead. They banned all semi-automatics, pump action shotguns and implemented strict licensing laws and gun buybacks. Sure, violent crime didn't stop, but a 59% drop in firearm homicides and 65% drop in firearm suicides. In the decade prior to the Port Arthur massacre there had been 11 mass shooting. from 1996 to now, there hasn't been a single mass shooting in Australia.
 
'glock said:
'Mystery Achiever said:
It is too far back now for me to find and quote, but we were talking a couple of days ago about what was true among the stories of the kids running past the gunman (though I guess they could have been in hiding until after). There are a couple of videos floating around of a man named Gene Rosen who found six traumatized kids on his lawn before he knew what had happened. These seem to be those kids from Victoria Soto's class. I don't think he mentioned her in the first video I saw. But he was interviewed on the local news last night and quoted the kids as saying "Miss Soto" and that they couldn't go back because their teacher was dead.

Here is one recount

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1223138
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"This little boy turns around, and composes himself, and he looks at me like he had just removed himself from the carnage and he says, `Just saying, your house is very small,"' Rosen said. "I wanted to tell him, `I love you. I love you."'
Hours after the 6 children were reunited with their parents, another mother appeared at his doorstep.

"Her face looked frozen in terror," an emotional Rosen told the Associated Press.

"She thought maybe a miracle from God would have the child at my house," he said.

Later, Rosen found the boy’s name on the list of casualties.
:cry:
 
'Warpig said:
You can assign troops that haven't seen copius amounts of combat action. That way PTSD is less of an issue. All you need is one that can shoot a rifle and hit a target. Assign the guy in the general's office whose job is to fetch and make coffee! I really think that the mere presence of a soldier in uniform with a rifle slung over his shoulder would be a great deterent to a psycho. These people are cowards and they don't want any resistance to carrying out their plan.
You seriously want an armed soldier stationed at every elementary school in the country? :confused:
 
:thumbup: to Victor Cruz, seems like a great guy.
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Victor Cruz hopes that meeting with the family of a 6-year-old boy killed in the Connecticut school shooting has helped it cope with the tragedy.The New York Giants' receiver somberly recounted Wednesday his hourlong visit with Jack Pinto's family a day earlier, and says he was most affected when asked about the parents' decision to bury their son in his No. 80 jersey."You never go through some circumstances like this," said Cruz, whose eyes appeared watery when talking about the difficult experience. "This was definitely the toughest by far."Pinto's family said Cruz was its son's favorite player. Pinto was one of 20 first-graders who, along with six adults, lost their lives Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary School.O'Connor: No. 80 Is No. 1 For Pinto FamilyVictor Cruz didn't honor the memory of Jack Pinto the way he wanted to on the field but has more than made up for that, Ian O'Connor writes. Story"It leaves you kind of blank," Cruz said of Pinto wearing his jersey. "But I'm definitely honored by it. I'm definitely humbled by it, and it was definitely unfortunate but humbling experience for me."Cruz learned that Pinto was a fan when word spread on Twitter and got back to him. He wrote Pinto's name on his cleats and gloves before the Giants' 34-0 loss Sunday to the Atlanta Falcons.Cruz presented Pinto's brother, Ben, with the cleats and gloves."The older brother, he was still pretty emotional," Cruz said. "The family was outside and they were still pretty emotional, crying and stuff like that. I saw how affected they were by just my presence alone."There were instances where we would take some time and talk football, or talk just life in general, where you would just talk about normal things back and forth. But those instances lasted about a couple seconds before you could revert back to saying something about Jack or something about the family or something about the nearby family that also suffered a loss and things like that. It was tough."Cruz drove to Newtown, Conn., with his girlfriend, Elaina, and their daughter, Kennedy.Cruz spent a little more than an hour talking to the Pinto family and playing some video games with kids from the local Pop Warner team that visited. He signed items for family members and the kids, many of them wearing his No. 80 jersey."We got to smile a little bit, which was good for them," Cruz said. "And it was a time where I just wanted to be a positive voice, a positive light in the time where it can be really negative. So it was a good time. They're a great family and they're really united right now at this time, and it was good to see."When you hear a kid that is such a big fan of you and such a big fan of the Giants and the team, and I was his favorite player, I felt like it was only right that I pay my respects to him and be as comforting to that family as much as I can."Giants coach Tom Coughlin, who said the team was deeply affected by the tragedy, immediately sought out Cruz on Wednesday morning to thank the receiver at practice."Incredibly proud of what (Cruz has) done," Coughlin said. "That family will remember that all their days. Hopefully, at least some of their grief may temporarily be spent in being able to embrace Victor Cruz. The fact that he went and did that speaks volumes about what he has in him, inside."
 
Cruz is the most grounded athlete I can recall in ages. Maybe RA Dickey came close. I guess coming up unheralded and having to fight for every chance really does change the way the athlete goes about his daily life.

 
Winthrop coach Pat Kelsey

Got the name of the town wrong, but a passionate rant nonetheless.
Can we get a list of the people that don't have a passionate rant?
I don't think I like your tone.
I don't think I like D3 basketball or whatever that guy teaches.
You mean the school that's been in the NCAA tourney five of the past eight years?
 
Winthrop coach Pat Kelsey

Got the name of the town wrong, but a passionate rant nonetheless.
Can we get a list of the people that don't have a passionate rant?
I don't think I like your tone.
I don't think I like D3 basketball or whatever that guy teaches.
You mean the school that's been in the NCAA tourney five of the past eight years?
You got me there. Austin Pee?BTW: What does Dennis Allen have to say about the whole thing?

 
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Having armed teacher/cops. security whatever in every school is reason for me to leave the country. Just like crime in a neighborhood is reason for me to leave. I will not live like that.

 
Winthrop coach Pat Kelsey

Got the name of the town wrong, but a passionate rant nonetheless.
Can we get a list of the people that don't have a passionate rant?
I don't think I like your tone.
I don't think I like D3 basketball or whatever that guy teaches.
You mean the school that's been in the NCAA tourney five of the past eight years?
You got me there. Austin Pee?BTW: What does Dennis Allen have to say about the whole thing?
He says the Bears O-line is magnificent.
 
Winthrop coach Pat Kelsey

Got the name of the town wrong, but a passionate rant nonetheless.
Can we get a list of the people that don't have a passionate rant?
I don't think I like your tone.
I don't think I like D3 basketball or whatever that guy teaches.
You mean the school that's been in the NCAA tourney five of the past eight years?
You got me there. Austin Pee?BTW: What does Dennis Allen have to say about the whole thing?
He says the Bears O-line is magnificent.
Oh...ow...holy crap...ouch...I have no comeback for that.Good luck in the playoffs...in 2003.

 
#### you name of killer I won't name .... I know we bag on the media but ### #### this one got http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/heart-stopping-letter-newtown-shooting-victim-jack-pinto-191902176.html

How do you say goodbye? USA Today reporter Yamiche Alcindor tweeted out this touching letter that was written to Newtown shooting victim Jack Pinto by his best friend, John.Six-year-old Jack was gunned down in the massacre last Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary School.The letter, surfaced by Hypervocal, reads: Jack, You are my best friend. We had fun together. I will miss you. I will talk to you in my prayers. I love you Jack. Love, John
:cry:
 
'biggamer3 said:
Onions... NOAH POZNER From mother, Veronique Pozner: "The sky is crying, and the flags are at half-mast. It is a sad, sad day. But it is also your day, Noah, my little man. I will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. I will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes, framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room. Most of all, I will miss your visions of your future. You wanted to be a doctor, a soldier, a taco factory manager. It was your favorite food, and no doubt you wanted to ensure that the world kept producing tacos. You were a little boy whose life force had all the gravitational pull of a celestial body. You were light and love, mischief and pranks. You adored your family with every fiber of your 6-year-old being. We are all of us elevated in our humanity by having known you. A little maverick, who didn't always want to do his schoolwork or clean up his toys, when practicing his ninja moves or Super Mario on the Wii seemed far more important. Noah, you will not pass through this way again. I can only believe that you were planted on Earth to bloom in heaven. Take flight, my boy. Soar. You now have the wings you always wanted. Go to that peaceful valley that we will all one day come to know. I will join you someday. Not today. I still have lots of mommy love to give to Danielle, Michael, Sophia and Arielle. Until then, your melody will linger in our hearts forever. Momma loves you, little man..."
I can't. So unfair.
 
A kid was just arrested at the school my daughter went to high school at a couple days ago. He was plotting to break the record. Too many crazy people out there.

 
Kid at my sons' High School got suspended for a week for tweeting about how much he hated one of his teachers and that he wanted to kill her :crazy:

 
A kid was just arrested at the school my daughter went to high school at a couple days ago. He was plotting to break the record. Too many crazy people out there.
Several stories like this one making the local news. Looks like people are listening and observing much more carefully.
 
'biggamer3 said:
Onions... NOAH POZNER From mother, Veronique Pozner: "The sky is crying, and the flags are at half-mast. It is a sad, sad day. But it is also your day, Noah, my little man. I will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. I will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes, framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room. Most of all, I will miss your visions of your future. You wanted to be a doctor, a soldier, a taco factory manager. It was your favorite food, and no doubt you wanted to ensure that the world kept producing tacos. You were a little boy whose life force had all the gravitational pull of a celestial body. You were light and love, mischief and pranks. You adored your family with every fiber of your 6-year-old being. We are all of us elevated in our humanity by having known you. A little maverick, who didn't always want to do his schoolwork or clean up his toys, when practicing his ninja moves or Super Mario on the Wii seemed far more important. Noah, you will not pass through this way again. I can only believe that you were planted on Earth to bloom in heaven. Take flight, my boy. Soar. You now have the wings you always wanted. Go to that peaceful valley that we will all one day come to know. I will join you someday. Not today. I still have lots of mommy love to give to Danielle, Michael, Sophia and Arielle. Until then, your melody will linger in our hearts forever. Momma loves you, little man..."
Not sure if there is video of her saying this but it would be nice to see. One of the saddest eulogies I've ever read/heard.It does not help having a six year old nephew named Noah either as I read this.
 
Kid at my sons' High School got suspended for a week for tweeting about how much he hated one of his teachers and that he wanted to kill her :crazy:
I hear this everyday about one teacher or another. Kids are never asked to leave school not are they suspended or anything.
 

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