Antonio Brown - What is he? (1 Viewer)

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I've watched this kid all season long and I was quite impressed, but on the other hand he didn't show me skills of an elite WR. What is he? Is he a top 10 PPR WR? Top 20?

 

[Balco]

I've watched this kid all season long and I was quite impressed, but on the other hand he didn't show me skills of an elite WR. What is he? Is he a top 10 PPR WR? Top 20?

I would say he is anywhere from 5-7 if Mike Wallace leaves.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I've watched this kid all season long and I was quite impressed, but on the other hand he didn't show me skills of an elite WR. What is he? Is he a top 10 PPR WR? Top 20?

I would say he is anywhere from 5-7 if Mike Wallace leaves.

With Mike Wallace?

 

[Buck Stop]

he is good young wide receiver who had a REALLY funny picture taken in college

http://www10.myfantasyleague.com/fflnetdynamic2011/21056_franchise_logo0011.jpg

 

[ExaltedOne]

there are a lot of good receivers in this league right now. I'd say top 20.

They can't all be top 10...

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

there are a lot of good receivers in this league right now. I'd say top 20.They can't all be top 10...

Agreed. Who would you rather have Dez or Brown?

 

[bmsarvis]

Id say between 25 n 35i wallace isn't goin anywhere

 

[beto]

To me he's right around 20, with some upside if he starts scoring TDs. It was fairly obvious how well he was going to do during the preseason and he really had a good year to back up how he looked. For me, his upside is just shy of Marvin Harrison and downside of Bobby Engram.

 

[Abspara]

there are a lot of good receivers in this league right now. I'd say top 20.They can't all be top 10...

Agreed. Who would you rather have Dez or Brown?

Brown.In my PPR league Brown outscored Wallace. Wallace fell off the face of the earth once the Steelers started Brown each week. I see no reason why this wouldn't continue next year if Wallace returns.Wallace is a one trick pony that, given the right attention, it taken out of a game. Brown is the more versatile receiver of the two. If you're talking straight points per reception, Brown will be the man.

 

[Kenny Powers]

To me he's right around 20, with some upside if he starts scoring TDs. It was fairly obvious how well he was going to do during the preseason and he really had a good year to back up how he looked. For me, his upside is just shy of Marvin Harrison and downside of Bobby Engram.

I think he had 4, maybe 5 TDs, while playing essentially 2.5 preseason games. Only had 2 in the regular season. With his talent and YAC ability, plus the new offense with Haley, I see no reason why he doesnt get 6-7 TDs this year and that would really boost his numbers.

 

[Andrew74]

I have him as a loe-end WR2, right around 20. I think the upside is there for high2/low 1 production. He is talented, Ben trusts him and Pittsburgh is a passing team.

 

[Eire32]

WR2 (Tier 3) Antonio Brown 2011 Pro Bowl PIT MVP: Brown runs short / intermediate routes. He is very fast and can go the distance every time he touches the ball. Great potential (especially in PPR) and will have occassional WR1 type games. Underrated.

 

[bonesman]

Good.

 

[Eire32]

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/antonio_brown_the_tip_of_the_iceberg/10095085

 

[Shutout]

I think he's a guy that, if you draft him at where a WR who finishes 17-24 is, you have paid the right price.

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

Sort of see him like a Hines Ward/Derrick Mason/Rod Smith kind of wr.

 

[Eire32]

I think he's a guy that, if you draft him at where a WR who finishes 17-24 is, you have paid the right price.

 

[JPeso]

there are a lot of good receivers in this league right now. I'd say top 20.

They can't all be top 10...

Agreed. Who would you rather have Dez or Brown?

Brown.In my PPR league Brown outscored Wallace. Wallace fell off the face of the earth once the Steelers started Brown each week. I see no reason why this wouldn't continue next year if Wallace returns.

Wallace is a one trick pony that, given the right attention, it taken out of a game. Brown is the more versatile receiver of the two. If you're talking straight points per reception, Brown will be the man.

Give me the other side of this bet for the max.

 

[icehacka]

I think he's a guy that, if you draft him at where a WR who finishes 17-24 is, you have paid the right price.

I prefer for him to continue being underrated so I can acquire or draft him in all leagues!I do see him as top 20 guy though in PPR with a higher upside if his TD total increases. Like someone above posted, teams figured out how to lock down Wallace which allowed Brown to shine. Let's not forget though that Sanders is also a good WR option in Pitt. Brown will need to continue to show up every week to keep Big Ben looking his way.

 

[Nero]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

 

[fightingillini]

I see Brown as a solid #2WR. Ranked around 15-18, even with Wallace in the mix. Without Ward back, Brown should be the most targeted PIT WR, which is great for a PPR league. Question will remain, will be more used in the redzone? I think his TD total last year was a fluke, and I can't see him scoring less than say 6 TDs. A projection of 85/1100/7 is a reasonable projection for Brown. PIT generally doesn't throw it to the backs and Roethlisberger loves to go down the field. If Ben tosses say 26-29 TDs, there is no reason why Brown can't get 7 of those.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

 

[TPW]

I traded for Brown in my dynasty league to add some WR depth. Currently he's my WR4 and I love his upside. His size and elusiveness remind me of a young Santana Moss.

Antonio Brown sets Steelers record for all-purpose yards

#3 WR in yards per route run

 

[one time]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

 

[bonesman]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

 

[bonesman]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

we?You're right though, the last 10 games of a players sophmore season isn't sufficient to determine his upside... it's possible he can develop further and have top 5 upside, like Wallace does.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

we?You're right though, the last 10 games of a players sophmore season isn't sufficient to determine his upside... it's possible he can develop further and have top 5 upside, like Wallace does.

"we" was in the "FF" sense. And Wallace posted much better numbers in his 2nd season.Im sure Brown will hone his game more and improve some, and like I said in my first post in the thread his TDs in 2011 were an anomaly and I expect 6-7 in 2012, but within this offense and with how many weapons there are, I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season. Wallace slumped over the 2nd half, Brown flourished, but Roethlisberger was hampered by injuries during that time as well, and his deep ball was certainly affected. How much? Who knows, but I do think Brown benefitted a little due to it.Im a homer (and someone who drafted Brown in the 12th-15th rounds last year) and I think that Brown has a bright and longterm future as a WR for the Steelers as long as Roethlisberger is there, Im just saying fantasy wise dont think he has WR1 upside with the current situation. As previously stated in here, I find it likely for him to be a low end WR2 and I think he has a high floor, and will probably be drafted more like a WR3 in most leagues so he has value regardless.ETA: Brown is 5'10. He has very good speed and great agility, but the only WRs I can think of recently that have been a WR1 at his height is Welker (unique situation/player IMO) and Steve Smith (who is/was a bigger deep threat than Brown appears to be)

 

[Eminence]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

we?You're right though, the last 10 games of a players sophmore season isn't sufficient to determine his upside... it's possible he can develop further and have top 5 upside, like Wallace does.

"we" was in the "FF" sense. And Wallace posted much better numbers in his 2nd season.Im sure Brown will hone his game more and improve some, and like I said in my first post in the thread his TDs in 2011 were an anomaly and I expect 6-7 in 2012, but within this offense and with how many weapons there are, I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season. Wallace slumped over the 2nd half, Brown flourished, but Roethlisberger was hampered by injuries during that time as well, and his deep ball was certainly affected. How much? Who knows, but I do think Brown benefitted a little due to it.Im a homer (and someone who drafted Brown in the 12th-15th rounds last year) and I think that Brown has a bright and longterm future as a WR for the Steelers as long as Roethlisberger is there, Im just saying fantasy wise dont think he has WR1 upside with the current situation. As previously stated in here, I find it likely for him to be a low end WR2 and I think he has a high floor, and will probably be drafted more like a WR3 in most leagues so he has value regardless.ETA: Brown is 5'10. He has very good speed and great agility, but the only WRs I can think of recently that have been a WR1 at his height is Welker (unique situation/player IMO) and Steve Smith (who is/was a bigger deep threat than Brown appears to be)

This guy is fantastic. Holy ####, great post.

 

[pghrob]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

we?You're right though, the last 10 games of a players sophmore season isn't sufficient to determine his upside... it's possible he can develop further and have top 5 upside, like Wallace does.

"we" was in the "FF" sense. And Wallace posted much better numbers in his 2nd season.Im sure Brown will hone his game more and improve some, and like I said in my first post in the thread his TDs in 2011 were an anomaly and I expect 6-7 in 2012, but within this offense and with how many weapons there are, I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season. Wallace slumped over the 2nd half, Brown flourished, but Roethlisberger was hampered by injuries during that time as well, and his deep ball was certainly affected. How much? Who knows, but I do think Brown benefitted a little due to it.Im a homer (and someone who drafted Brown in the 12th-15th rounds last year) and I think that Brown has a bright and longterm future as a WR for the Steelers as long as Roethlisberger is there, Im just saying fantasy wise dont think he has WR1 upside with the current situation. As previously stated in here, I find it likely for him to be a low end WR2 and I think he has a high floor, and will probably be drafted more like a WR3 in most leagues so he has value regardless.ETA: Brown is 5'10. He has very good speed and great agility, but the only WRs I can think of recently that have been a WR1 at his height is Welker (unique situation/player IMO) and Steve Smith (who is/was a bigger deep threat than Brown appears to be)

This guy is fantastic. Holy ####, great post.

He is La Flama Blanca!

 

[Eire32]

2012 Outlook: Antonio Brown is the PPR player you want to own on your fantasy football team. He is a solid WR2 and will have occassional WR1 type games. His current ADP is high end WR3. Redraft - 5th round. Underrated.

Antonio Brown Bennie Biggle Wiggle Touchdown Dance

 

[Touchdown There]

Sanders will be healthy this year and take from A Brown's targets. A healthy Big Ben will redirect some of those late season 2011 targets back to Wallace. If his current ADP is high end WR3, he is being drafted at fair value.

 

[Hendo]

there are a lot of good receivers in this league right now. I'd say top 20.They can't all be top 10...

Agreed. Who would you rather have Dez or Brown?

Brown.In my PPR league Brown outscored Wallace. Wallace fell off the face of the earth once the Steelers started Brown each week. I see no reason why this wouldn't continue next year if Wallace returns.Wallace is a one trick pony that, given the right attention, it taken out of a game. Brown is the more versatile receiver of the two. If you're talking straight points per reception, Brown will be the man.

No freaking way... im a dyno owner of Julio Dez and Brown and there is no way i value Brown over Dez.

 

[treat88]

there are a lot of good receivers in this league right now. I'd say top 20.They can't all be top 10...

Agreed. Who would you rather have Dez or Brown?

Brown.In my PPR league Brown outscored Wallace. Wallace fell off the face of the earth once the Steelers started Brown each week. I see no reason why this wouldn't continue next year if Wallace returns.Wallace is a one trick pony that, given the right attention, it taken out of a game. Brown is the more versatile receiver of the two. If you're talking straight points per reception, Brown will be the man.

No freaking way... im a dyno owner of Julio Dez and Brown and there is no way i value Brown over Dez.

NFL talent and NFL potential wise I agree. Not even close.PPR leagues skew things somewhat tho. Brown doesn't have another short/intermediate area target to compete with currently. Neither Miller or any of the RB's are utilized much nor really offer much in that area.As mentioned above, Sanders is a viable threat to Brown's targets but even assuming he stays healthy that is really only three mouths to feed in the Pitt passing game, one of which is questionable in terms of both health and priority.The Dallas passing game has to feed not only Dez, but very talented players in Witten and Austin, and capable RBs out of the backfield, and potentially a slot replacement for Robinson.Dez is easily the superior NFL talent, and may become the focal point of an offense, but I can see Brown out targeting him and therefore out producing him in PPR leagues.

 

[griff321]

Brown is a better player than Sanders, but his situation last season was somewhat of a unique storm. A combination of having a guy like Mike Wallace as a #1, Big Ben's injury, and teams scheming to stop Wallace after an amazing first half.

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

Someone will need to catch passes from Big Ben. That and that alone will make Brown a start worthy wr2.

Eta that when Haley was OC in Arizona he had two 1000 yard receivers in Fitzgerald and Boldin.

 

[SayWhat?]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

we?You're right though, the last 10 games of a players sophmore season isn't sufficient to determine his upside... it's possible he can develop further and have top 5 upside, like Wallace does.

"we" was in the "FF" sense. And Wallace posted much better numbers in his 2nd season.Im sure Brown will hone his game more and improve some, and like I said in my first post in the thread his TDs in 2011 were an anomaly and I expect 6-7 in 2012, but within this offense and with how many weapons there are, I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season. Wallace slumped over the 2nd half, Brown flourished, but Roethlisberger was hampered by injuries during that time as well, and his deep ball was certainly affected. How much? Who knows, but I do think Brown benefitted a little due to it.

That part of your reasoning has me stumped. I'll start the list of Pittsburg's weapons that will limit the opportunities that Brown will get, and I'd love for you to finish it:1. Mike Wallace

2.

 

[cvnpoka]

itt some ppl fail to understand what upside means

 

[bonesman]

I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season.

He was the 12th highest scoring WR in my 16 team league last year... so I don't have that problem. Especially if he starts off the season as the #2 and catches a few more TDs. I see no reason why his upside isn't a Vic Cruz like season where he cracks the top 5.

itt some ppl fail to understand what upside means

for reals.

 

[SWC]

he could be good or he could be bad that is where i stand on it and you can take that check right to the bank and cash it cleveland brohawn fans

 

[Ballstein]

I'm gonna say it... BROWN>WALLACE

 

[Steel Dillo]

Eta that when Haley was OC in Arizona he had two 1000 yard receivers in Fitzgerald and Boldin.

continuing that line of thought, there are some similarities between the O in Arizona under Haley & the Steelers personnel.The Cardinals had 3 legit targets. I see Wallace in the Fitzgerald "playmaker" role, Sanders in the Boldin "possession WR" role & Brown as the Breaston type WR in the slot.The biggest difference IMO is that Warner was better at reading Ds & getting the ball out than Ben is.

 

[Eire32]

I'm gonna say it... BROWN>WALLACE

Brown had more targets.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season.

He was the 12th highest scoring WR in my 16 team league last year... so I don't have that problem. Especially if he starts off the season as the #2 and catches a few more TDs. I see no reason why his upside isn't a Vic Cruz like season where he cracks the top 5.

Im guessing this is a league that rewards points for return yardage. Considering he had 1000+ return yards, not surprised he finished 12th in that scoring system. However, the vast majority of people dont play in leagues like that.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

we?You're right though, the last 10 games of a players sophmore season isn't sufficient to determine his upside... it's possible he can develop further and have top 5 upside, like Wallace does.

"we" was in the "FF" sense. And Wallace posted much better numbers in his 2nd season.Im sure Brown will hone his game more and improve some, and like I said in my first post in the thread his TDs in 2011 were an anomaly and I expect 6-7 in 2012, but within this offense and with how many weapons there are, I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season. Wallace slumped over the 2nd half, Brown flourished, but Roethlisberger was hampered by injuries during that time as well, and his deep ball was certainly affected. How much? Who knows, but I do think Brown benefitted a little due to it.

That part of your reasoning has me stumped. I'll start the list of Pittsburg's weapons that will limit the opportunities that Brown will get, and I'd love for you to finish it:1. Mike Wallace

2.

1. Mike Wallace2. Emmanuel Sanders

3. Heath Miller

4. RBs (though this is up in the air until we see how much Haley utilizes the RBs out of the backfield)

Just because Brown is the #2 or even 1B option in Pittsburgh, doesnt mean the guys targets behind him wont limit his own.

 

[Kenny Powers]

2012 Outlook: Antonio Brown is the PPR player you want to own on your fantasy football team. He is a solid WR2 and will have occassional WR1 type games. His current ADP is high end WR3. Redraft - 5th round. Underrated.

No ####ing way Brown's ADP will be in the 5th round this year for redraft.

 

[SayWhat?]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

we?You're right though, the last 10 games of a players sophmore season isn't sufficient to determine his upside... it's possible he can develop further and have top 5 upside, like Wallace does.

"we" was in the "FF" sense. And Wallace posted much better numbers in his 2nd season.Im sure Brown will hone his game more and improve some, and like I said in my first post in the thread his TDs in 2011 were an anomaly and I expect 6-7 in 2012, but within this offense and with how many weapons there are, I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season. Wallace slumped over the 2nd half, Brown flourished, but Roethlisberger was hampered by injuries during that time as well, and his deep ball was certainly affected. How much? Who knows, but I do think Brown benefitted a little due to it.

That part of your reasoning has me stumped. I'll start the list of Pittsburg's weapons that will limit the opportunities that Brown will get, and I'd love for you to finish it:1. Mike Wallace

2.

1. Mike Wallace2. Emmanuel Sanders

3. Heath Miller

4. RBs (though this is up in the air until we see how much Haley utilizes the RBs out of the backfield)

Just because Brown is the #2 or even 1B option in Pittsburgh, doesnt mean the guys targets behind him wont limit his own.

Based on that list I sincerely hope Pittsburg's "weapons" is an extremely small factor in why you are down on Brown's upside, because there are Emmanuel Sanders, Heath Millers, and RB's the calibur of what Pittsburg has on every single NFL roster. In fact, I'd wager that Pittsburg's in the bottom third of the league in terms of the talent level of their TE's, RB's, and backup WR's.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

we?You're right though, the last 10 games of a players sophmore season isn't sufficient to determine his upside... it's possible he can develop further and have top 5 upside, like Wallace does.

"we" was in the "FF" sense. And Wallace posted much better numbers in his 2nd season.Im sure Brown will hone his game more and improve some, and like I said in my first post in the thread his TDs in 2011 were an anomaly and I expect 6-7 in 2012, but within this offense and with how many weapons there are, I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season. Wallace slumped over the 2nd half, Brown flourished, but Roethlisberger was hampered by injuries during that time as well, and his deep ball was certainly affected. How much? Who knows, but I do think Brown benefitted a little due to it.

That part of your reasoning has me stumped. I'll start the list of Pittsburg's weapons that will limit the opportunities that Brown will get, and I'd love for you to finish it:1. Mike Wallace

2.

1. Mike Wallace2. Emmanuel Sanders

3. Heath Miller

4. RBs (though this is up in the air until we see how much Haley utilizes the RBs out of the backfield)

Just because Brown is the #2 or even 1B option in Pittsburgh, doesnt mean the guys targets behind him wont limit his own.

Based on that list I sincerely hope Pittsburg's "weapons" is an extremely small factor in why you are down on Brown's upside, because there are Emmanuel Sanders, Heath Millers, and RB's the calibur of what Pittsburg has on every single NFL roster. In fact, I'd wager that Pittsburg's in the bottom third of the league in terms of the talent level of their TE's, RB's, and backup WR's.

Yeah, if we're putting a cap on Brown's upside because of the presence of Heath Miller I'd question that line of thought.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Brown was 18th in points(ppr) and 35th in targets over the second half of the season. Wallace was 41st in points with the same amount of targets over that period. Brown obviously outplayed Wallace. I consider Brown a solid WR2 with low WR1 upside if he shows any third year improvement.

I love Brown but no way he has WR1 upside.

In my league, the last 10 games of the year, he was the #12 ranked WR. To say there is "no way" he can be a WR1 is false.

He was 10th best in my league over that period of time (we get a little bit for return yards)... I'm pretty sure that's WR1 upside.

And Mike Wallace was a top 3 WR over the first half of the yr...Since when did we use the best half of a season a player has and project it over a full season as to what his upside is?!

we?You're right though, the last 10 games of a players sophmore season isn't sufficient to determine his upside... it's possible he can develop further and have top 5 upside, like Wallace does.

"we" was in the "FF" sense. And Wallace posted much better numbers in his 2nd season.Im sure Brown will hone his game more and improve some, and like I said in my first post in the thread his TDs in 2011 were an anomaly and I expect 6-7 in 2012, but within this offense and with how many weapons there are, I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season. Wallace slumped over the 2nd half, Brown flourished, but Roethlisberger was hampered by injuries during that time as well, and his deep ball was certainly affected. How much? Who knows, but I do think Brown benefitted a little due to it.

That part of your reasoning has me stumped. I'll start the list of Pittsburg's weapons that will limit the opportunities that Brown will get, and I'd love for you to finish it:1. Mike Wallace

2.

1. Mike Wallace2. Emmanuel Sanders

3. Heath Miller

4. RBs (though this is up in the air until we see how much Haley utilizes the RBs out of the backfield)

Just because Brown is the #2 or even 1B option in Pittsburgh, doesnt mean the guys targets behind him wont limit his own.

Based on that list I sincerely hope Pittsburg's "weapons" is an extremely small factor in why you are down on Brown's upside, because there are Emmanuel Sanders, Heath Millers, and RB's the calibur of what Pittsburg has on every single NFL roster. In fact, I'd wager that Pittsburg's in the bottom third of the league in terms of the talent level of their TE's, RB's, and backup WR's.

They are just a small reason why I dont think Brown can be a WR1. I dont see how any offense besides NO, NE, and GB can have two WR1's (including TEs). With as good as Roethlisberger is, this offense just isnt as potent as those and dont see how both Wallace and Brown will be top 12 WRs.

 

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I dont see how Brown can produce as a WR1 for an entire season.

He was the 12th highest scoring WR in my 16 team league last year... so I don't have that problem. Especially if he starts off the season as the #2 and catches a few more TDs. I see no reason why his upside isn't a Vic Cruz like season where he cracks the top 5.

Im guessing this is a league that rewards points for return yardage. Considering he had 1000+ return yards, not surprised he finished 12th in that scoring system. However, the vast majority of people dont play in leagues like that.

Yea, we get a whopping .03 per return yard, which gave Brown a total bumping 31 points for his return duties. A few more reception TDs (which everyone thinks is a reasonable possibility) and another 100 yds or so and he's right there knocking at the top ten with out any return yards. WR1 upside.