Antonio Gates what ? (1 Viewer)

[Young 8]

Chargers placed Antonio Gates, Larry English and Kion Wilson on physically unable to perform list

2 days ago he said this

Antonio Gates concedes that plantar fasciitis is still "an issue," but promises no one will be able to tell from his play this season. Gates insists he feels great and still expects to have a great season

 

[Sabertooth]

Chargers placed Antonio Gates, Larry English and Kion Wilson on physically unable to perform list

2 days ago he said this

Antonio Gates concedes that plantar fasciitis is still "an issue," but promises no one will be able to tell from his play this season. Gates insists he feels great and still expects to have a great season

 

[Tanner9919]

Chargers placed Antonio Gates, Larry English and Kion Wilson on physically unable to perform list

2 days ago he said this

Antonio Gates concedes that plantar fasciitis is still "an issue," but promises no one will be able to tell from his play this season. Gates insists he feels great and still expects to have a great season

I'm sure its not such a big deal,probably done to protect him during preseason - limiting his plays to prevent further injury.but him stating that his plantar fasciitis is still 'an issue' is troublesome..didnt' they also sign Randy McMichaels? McMichaels could be a big time sleeper at TE this season..

this all makes Jason Witten the #1 TE in football,fantasy or otherwise..a remarkably consistent player..

 

[habsfan]

I take this to mean, "Is it gone? No. Is it any worse or is he any more worried about it now than in the past? No."

Obviously the risk is that it could get worse at any time.

 

[sihaokills]

No big deal

 

[NeverEnough]

Ugh, time to sell high?

 

[The_Fonz]

I will still grab him in the 4th if he is there

 

[TheFanatic]

I will still grab him in the 4th if he is there

And take a flyer on McMichael late....

 

[Shutout]

I thought this was the type of injury that required rest to heal.

If he couldn't get the rest since week 10 of last year, how can he get it now in season?

I probably wouldn't work too hard to sell him if I had him bt I sure wouldn't be going out of my way to buy him either.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

PUP in the pre-season means nothing.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Hasn't this happened three years in a row counting this year?

 

[netnalp]

I thought this was the type of injury that required rest to heal.If he couldn't get the rest since week 10 of last year, how can he get it now in season?I probably wouldn't work too hard to sell him if I had him bt I sure wouldn't be going out of my way to buy him either.

It can be treated with rest, and is helped if the person wears night splints. They keep the foot in a position like when standing.Cortizone/steroid shots are another treatment. One shot does it for some, for others it can take several shots. Some people this doesn't work for.Cryo surgery uses a probe that applies cold (about -75 degrees C) to the inflamed nerve. The nerve isn't killed or permanently damaged, it just strips off the outer layer, maybe the myelin sheath that surrounds the nerve, and limits the pain transmission and inflammation. Procedure requires a small incision and works with one application. My understanding is that this procedure has the most success.Finally, they can cut some of the ligament on the bottom of the foot to relieve some to the tension. Not usually done for athletes unless the ligament is already being torn from activity.Seems like Gates is just resting it. He may need to go one of the other routes or he hasn't been doing all the rehab he should, ie. wearing the splints, stretching, wearing orthopedic shoes.

 

[GregR_2]

I thought this was the type of injury that required rest to heal.If he couldn't get the rest since week 10 of last year, how can he get it now in season?I probably wouldn't work too hard to sell him if I had him bt I sure wouldn't be going out of my way to buy him either.

It can be treated with rest, and is helped if the person wears night splints. They keep the foot in a position like when standing.Cortizone/steroid shots are another treatment. One shot does it for some, for others it can take several shots. Some people this doesn't work for.Cryo surgery uses a probe that applies cold (about -75 degrees C) to the inflamed nerve. The nerve isn't killed or permanently damaged, it just strips off the outer layer, maybe the myelin sheath that surrounds the nerve, and limits the pain transmission and inflammation. Procedure requires a small incision and works with one application. My understanding is that this procedure has the most success.Seems like Gates is just resting it. He may need to go one of the other routes or he hasn't been doing all the rehab he should, ie. wearing the splints, stretching, wearing orthopedic shoes.

Thanks for the informative post.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I will still grab him in the 4th if he is there

And take a flyer on McMichael late....

Why is this a good idea? It's not like crappy TEs are hard to find. You don't need to protect your stud TE like you do a RB.

 

[GregR_2]

Just eyeballing the stats last year, McMichael looks like he averaged about 6 points per game last year in my league (1 pt TE PPR) in games where Gate was out, which is around TE 30. He had a 0 point game, not sure if he was hurt and left or what off the top of my head. If we give him credit for it and don't count it in his average, he moves up to around TE 24.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Just eyeballing the stats last year, McMichael looks like he averaged about 6 points per game last year in my league (1 pt TE PPR) in games where Gate was out, which is around TE 30. He had a 0 point game, not sure if he was hurt and left or what off the top of my head. If we give him credit for it and don't count it in his average, he moves up to around TE 24.

That's a lot of words to say "Keys is right".

 

[Mark Wimer]

I thought this was the type of injury that required rest to heal.If he couldn't get the rest since week 10 of last year, how can he get it now in season?I probably wouldn't work too hard to sell him if I had him bt I sure wouldn't be going out of my way to buy him either.

It can be treated with rest, and is helped if the person wears night splints. They keep the foot in a position like when standing.Cortizone/steroid shots are another treatment. One shot does it for some, for others it can take several shots. Some people this doesn't work for.Cryo surgery uses a probe that applies cold (about -75 degrees C) to the inflamed nerve. The nerve isn't killed or permanently damaged, it just strips off the outer layer, maybe the myelin sheath that surrounds the nerve, and limits the pain transmission and inflammation. Procedure requires a small incision and works with one application. My understanding is that this procedure has the most success.Seems like Gates is just resting it. He may need to go one of the other routes or he hasn't been doing all the rehab he should, ie. wearing the splints, stretching, wearing orthopedic shoes.

Thanks for the informative post.

linking to injury thread pinned at top of page

 

[Power Monster]

Unfortunate- guy is a monster when healthy but take a pass on him. So many headaches dealing with these type of injuries.

 

[Gr00vus]

Hacksaw (SD local radio honk) was blathering on last night about how Gates practiced yesterday morning, complained of pain and got shut down for the afternoon practice. Now PUP. I think he's going to be dealing with this all year and wouldn't expect him to be 100% at any point this season. He seems to be injury prone in that he's had soft tissue injuries for the last 3 or 4 years in a row. Draft accordingly.

RE: McMichael, he had his share of injury problems last year also. I believe the worst was a hamstring injury which he actually played through in a couple of games.

The setting is ripe for some FF value out of the unheralded receivers in SD. Crayton in particular should benefit. I have no idea who would take Floyd's spot right now. Ajirotutu would seem to have the edge since he got the most PT last year of the remaining WRs. But they've drafted a couple of WRs, signed 5 undrafted free agent WRs and I think Goodman is still in the mix. Something to watch this preseason.

 

[Dez]

Hacksaw (SD local radio honk) was blathering on last night about how Gates practiced yesterday morning, complained of pain and got shut down for the afternoon practice. Now PUP. I think he's going to be dealing with this all year and wouldn't expect him to be 100% at any point this season. He seems to be injury prone in that he's had soft tissue injuries for the last 3 or 4 years in a row. Draft accordingly.

RE: McMichael, he had his share of injury problems last year also. I believe the worst was a hamstring injury which he actually played through in a couple of games.

The setting is ripe for some FF value out of the unheralded receivers in SD. Crayton in particular should benefit. I have no idea who would take Floyd's spot right now. Ajirotutu would seem to have the edge since he got the most PT last year of the remaining WRs. But they've drafted a couple of WRs, signed 5 undrafted free agent WRs and I think Goodman is still in the mix. Something to watch this preseason.

Oh really ? He better brush up the rules.Physically Unable to Perform is the term for a rule in the National Football League which allows teams to designate players as Physically Unable to Perform or PUP. Once they are designated as such, they are prohibited from practicing with the team. They can, however, rehabilitate and participate in team meetings. If a player begins training camp on the PUP list, they can be moved to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster, even if they take part in only the first few minutes of the first practice.

 

[Gr00vus]

Hacksaw (SD local radio honk) was blathering on last night about how Gates practiced yesterday morning, complained of pain and got shut down for the afternoon practice. Now PUP. I think he's going to be dealing with this all year and wouldn't expect him to be 100% at any point this season. He seems to be injury prone in that he's had soft tissue injuries for the last 3 or 4 years in a row. Draft accordingly.

RE: McMichael, he had his share of injury problems last year also. I believe the worst was a hamstring injury which he actually played through in a couple of games.

The setting is ripe for some FF value out of the unheralded receivers in SD. Crayton in particular should benefit. I have no idea who would take Floyd's spot right now. Ajirotutu would seem to have the edge since he got the most PT last year of the remaining WRs. But they've drafted a couple of WRs, signed 5 undrafted free agent WRs and I think Goodman is still in the mix. Something to watch this preseason.

Oh really ? He better brush up the rules.Physically Unable to Perform is the term for a rule in the National Football League which allows teams to designate players as “Physically Unable to Perform” or “PUP”. Once they are designated as such, they are prohibited from practicing with the team. They can, however, rehabilitate and participate in team meetings. If a player begins training camp on the PUP list, they can be moved to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster, even if they take part in only the first few minutes of the first practice.

Maybe he meant he was at the morning practice, rather than "practicing." I don't know that getting into pedantics is really the right focus here. The important thing is Gates checked in yesterday morning, did enough to experience and express pain and got shut down. I'll leave arguing the finer points of league rules to others.

 

[Tango]

there's no way to paint this in a good light other than his draft position will likely drop a bit; especially from those that owned him last year or traded for him in the middle of the year and thus this year will not want to endure the same sort of injury-saga as last year.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

just wondering your guys thoughts....

here it is like a week into training camp....if anything you would think Gates would have been healed up over the summer and ready to go....yet here we are with the same lingering injury...it has pretty much been stated that it will be something that he has to deal with for the rest of his career....he didn't have surgery on it during the offseason...

I realize he is a vet...doesn't really need camp/practice/etc....stated that if he needed to play this week he could, but I am just wondering if he is worth the high draft pick it will most likely take to get him and the possible weekly nightmare of wondering if he is going to play or not....

guess I just really would have thought this wouldn't be something that already has him limited after a a full offseason.....and if surgery can correct it, why that hasn't been done....

 

[Jason Wood]

Hey Ref. I agree situations like this are tough.

I always tell people that any player is worth considering at the right price. The issue we need to ask ourselves is whether Gates' injury history will lower his ADP enough to warrant that risk. Currently, he's being drafted 34th overall -- which equates to a 3rd round pick in 12-team leagues and a 4th round pick in 10-team leagues.

If you assume you won't have Gates in your lineup for 16 games, the question is how much is his production PLUS whatever you get from replacement players, worth? If he gives you 10-12 games at his usual levels, one could argue it's a fair pick that early. The trick, of course, is having a TE that can hold their own in his stead.

I probably will pass on Gates this year, but that's more because of two factors:

1) I love Witten as a relative value, particularly in PPR leagues

2) The TE position looks deeper than ever, with a record number of TEs forecast to catch 50+ receptions and 500+ yards

 

[Gr00vus]

More discussion here.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Sounds to me like they're resting him and using PUP to gain a roster spot...not saying won't be an issue...but I bet he'd play if there was a game today

 

[Stinkin Ref]

mods plese delete...sorry for the honda

 

[Mark Wimer]

Hey Ref. I agree situations like this are tough.I always tell people that any player is worth considering at the right price. The issue we need to ask ourselves is whether Gates' injury history will lower his ADP enough to warrant that risk. Currently, he's being drafted 34th overall -- which equates to a 3rd round pick in 12-team leagues and a 4th round pick in 10-team leagues.If you assume you won't have Gates in your lineup for 16 games, the question is how much is his production PLUS whatever you get from replacement players, worth? If he gives you 10-12 games at his usual levels, one could argue it's a fair pick that early. The trick, of course, is having a TE that can hold their own in his stead.I probably will pass on Gates this year, but that's more because of two factors:1) I love Witten as a relative value, particularly in PPR leagues2) The TE position looks deeper than ever, with a record number of TEs forecast to catch 50+ receptions and 500+ yards

Plantar Fasciitis is a really tough condition to manage, and it basically comes down to pain tolerance. With injuries in both of his feet, and the fact that Gates missed ~1/2 of last season and had the whole offseason to heal, I'm scared off by the fact that he's not physically fit to start training camp. That indicates to me that the injuries have become a chronic, ever-present reality for Gates. He promises to "gut it out" like he did last year - but he only played 10 games last year (and was out for parts of the games he did play in). Part of the problem with foot injuries is that it is REALLY hard to stay off your feet. And for a world-class athlete, laying around with your feet elevated for weeks or months at a time really isn't an option if the athlete is going to maintain optimum physical conditioning in the rest of the body. Even driving your car requires you manipulate objects with your feet (more in a manual, but still quite a bit in an automatic). Unless you are sleeping and then working in a sedentary desk-job, your feet are in action almost all day long just in the process of being alive. I'm passing on Gates this year. Too much re-injury risk. He could re-injure himself climbing into the shower or stomping on the brakes in a traffic jam, let alone running routes against a 300-lb berserk NFL linebacker.

 

[Mark Wimer]

mods plese delete...sorry for the honda

Merged instead. MW

 

[GregR_2]

Hey Ref. I agree situations like this are tough.I always tell people that any player is worth considering at the right price. The issue we need to ask ourselves is whether Gates' injury history will lower his ADP enough to warrant that risk. Currently, he's being drafted 34th overall -- which equates to a 3rd round pick in 12-team leagues and a 4th round pick in 10-team leagues.If you assume you won't have Gates in your lineup for 16 games, the question is how much is his production PLUS whatever you get from replacement players, worth? If he gives you 10-12 games at his usual levels, one could argue it's a fair pick that early. The trick, of course, is having a TE that can hold their own in his stead.I probably will pass on Gates this year, but that's more because of two factors:1) I love Witten as a relative value, particularly in PPR leagues2) The TE position looks deeper than ever, with a record number of TEs forecast to catch 50+ receptions and 500+ yards

Plantar Fasciitis is a really tough condition to manage, and it basically comes down to pain tolerance. With injuries in both of his feet, and the fact that Gates missed ~1/2 of last season and had the whole offseason to heal, I'm scared off by the fact that he's not physically fit to start training camp. That indicates to me that the injuries have become a chronic, ever-present reality for Gates. He promises to "gut it out" like he did last year - but he only played 10 games last year (and was out for parts of the games he did play in). Part of the problem with foot injuries is that it is REALLY hard to stay off your feet. And for a world-class athlete, laying around with your feet elevated for weeks or months at a time really isn't an option if the athlete is going to maintain optimum physical conditioning in the rest of the body. Even driving your car requires you manipulate objects with your feet (more in a manual, but still quite a bit in an automatic). Unless you are sleeping and then working in a sedentary desk-job, your feet are in action almost all day long just in the process of being alive. I'm passing on Gates this year. Too much re-injury risk. He could re-injure himself climbing into the shower or stomping on the brakes in a traffic jam, let alone running routes against a 300-lb berserk NFL linebacker.

I agree with this. Traded away Finley planning to keep Gates in a league with increased TE value (start 2-3 TE with staggered PPR, Gates is a legitimate 1st to early 2nd round pick there), and now wishing I had that one back. I think I'd project him to miss around 1/3 of the season. Anyone who has him is going to need to look at a backup TE who is going to limit the fall off during those missed weeks from falling off. And hope he isn't out during fantasy playoffs. I expect this to really impact the middle of my draft as a result as I have to take an earlier TE2 and 3 than planned and it'll trickle down through each round after where I take them now.Just mentioning this as an example for others of how it might affect them, though since my league starts more than 1 TE, it's going to be a bigger impact than on a normal setup.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Hey Ref. I agree situations like this are tough.I always tell people that any player is worth considering at the right price. The issue we need to ask ourselves is whether Gates' injury history will lower his ADP enough to warrant that risk. Currently, he's being drafted 34th overall -- which equates to a 3rd round pick in 12-team leagues and a 4th round pick in 10-team leagues.If you assume you won't have Gates in your lineup for 16 games, the question is how much is his production PLUS whatever you get from replacement players, worth? If he gives you 10-12 games at his usual levels, one could argue it's a fair pick that early. The trick, of course, is having a TE that can hold their own in his stead.I probably will pass on Gates this year, but that's more because of two factors:1) I love Witten as a relative value, particularly in PPR leagues2) The TE position looks deeper than ever, with a record number of TEs forecast to catch 50+ receptions and 500+ yards

Plantar Fasciitis is a really tough condition to manage, and it basically comes down to pain tolerance. With injuries in both of his feet, and the fact that Gates missed ~1/2 of last season and had the whole offseason to heal, I'm scared off by the fact that he's not physically fit to start training camp. That indicates to me that the injuries have become a chronic, ever-present reality for Gates. He promises to "gut it out" like he did last year - but he only played 10 games last year (and was out for parts of the games he did play in). Part of the problem with foot injuries is that it is REALLY hard to stay off your feet. And for a world-class athlete, laying around with your feet elevated for weeks or months at a time really isn't an option if the athlete is going to maintain optimum physical conditioning in the rest of the body. Even driving your car requires you manipulate objects with your feet (more in a manual, but still quite a bit in an automatic). Unless you are sleeping and then working in a sedentary desk-job, your feet are in action almost all day long just in the process of being alive. I'm passing on Gates this year. Too much re-injury risk. He could re-injure himself climbing into the shower or stomping on the brakes in a traffic jam, let alone running routes against a 300-lb berserk NFL linebacker.

I agree with this. Traded away Finley planning to keep Gates in a league with increased TE value (start 2-3 TE with staggered PPR, Gates is a legitimate 1st to early 2nd round pick there), and now wishing I had that one back. I think I'd project him to miss around 1/3 of the season. Anyone who has him is going to need to look at a backup TE who is going to limit the fall off during those missed weeks from falling off. And hope he isn't out during fantasy playoffs. I expect this to really impact the middle of my draft as a result as I have to take an earlier TE2 and 3 than planned and it'll trickle down through each round after where I take them now.Just mentioning this as an example for others of how it might affect them, though since my league starts more than 1 TE, it's going to be a bigger impact than on a normal setup.

disappointed in you GregR.... (banking on Gates and dealing Finley)...under the circumstances especially cause it's not like Gates hasn't had this issue for awhile.....I know Finley is coming off an injury as well, but it doesn't seem to be one of those ongoing nagging things....just curious...was what you got back for Finley just too good to pass up or did you not even try to shop Gates which would have seemed like the play or just keeping them both if TE are such a big pasrt of that league...

 

[GregR_2]

Hey Ref. I agree situations like this are tough.I always tell people that any player is worth considering at the right price. The issue we need to ask ourselves is whether Gates' injury history will lower his ADP enough to warrant that risk. Currently, he's being drafted 34th overall -- which equates to a 3rd round pick in 12-team leagues and a 4th round pick in 10-team leagues.If you assume you won't have Gates in your lineup for 16 games, the question is how much is his production PLUS whatever you get from replacement players, worth? If he gives you 10-12 games at his usual levels, one could argue it's a fair pick that early. The trick, of course, is having a TE that can hold their own in his stead.I probably will pass on Gates this year, but that's more because of two factors:1) I love Witten as a relative value, particularly in PPR leagues2) The TE position looks deeper than ever, with a record number of TEs forecast to catch 50+ receptions and 500+ yards

Plantar Fasciitis is a really tough condition to manage, and it basically comes down to pain tolerance. With injuries in both of his feet, and the fact that Gates missed ~1/2 of last season and had the whole offseason to heal, I'm scared off by the fact that he's not physically fit to start training camp. That indicates to me that the injuries have become a chronic, ever-present reality for Gates. He promises to "gut it out" like he did last year - but he only played 10 games last year (and was out for parts of the games he did play in). Part of the problem with foot injuries is that it is REALLY hard to stay off your feet. And for a world-class athlete, laying around with your feet elevated for weeks or months at a time really isn't an option if the athlete is going to maintain optimum physical conditioning in the rest of the body. Even driving your car requires you manipulate objects with your feet (more in a manual, but still quite a bit in an automatic). Unless you are sleeping and then working in a sedentary desk-job, your feet are in action almost all day long just in the process of being alive. I'm passing on Gates this year. Too much re-injury risk. He could re-injure himself climbing into the shower or stomping on the brakes in a traffic jam, let alone running routes against a 300-lb berserk NFL linebacker.

I agree with this. Traded away Finley planning to keep Gates in a league with increased TE value (start 2-3 TE with staggered PPR, Gates is a legitimate 1st to early 2nd round pick there), and now wishing I had that one back. I think I'd project him to miss around 1/3 of the season. Anyone who has him is going to need to look at a backup TE who is going to limit the fall off during those missed weeks from falling off. And hope he isn't out during fantasy playoffs. I expect this to really impact the middle of my draft as a result as I have to take an earlier TE2 and 3 than planned and it'll trickle down through each round after where I take them now.Just mentioning this as an example for others of how it might affect them, though since my league starts more than 1 TE, it's going to be a bigger impact than on a normal setup.

disappointed in you GregR.... (banking on Gates and dealing Finley)...under the circumstances especially cause it's not like Gates hasn't had this issue for awhile.....I know Finley is coming off an injury as well, but it doesn't seem to be one of those ongoing nagging things....just curious...was what you got back for Finley just too good to pass up or did you not even try to shop Gates which would have seemed like the play or just keeping them both if TE are such a big pasrt of that league...

Well, the biggest thing was my own blunder in not checking news on Gates, and just assuming he'd have healed more than he did. I knew he had increased injury risk, I just didn't think he was entering the season still affected this much.But there was some benefit in trading Finley specifically, yes. I traded him Hillis and Finley. The other owner was a big Packers fan. There are other Packers fans who would snap up Finley. So I was able to use him to help move Hillis essentially.

 

[Gr00vus]

A note for those interested in this situation to file away for later: Cory Sperry is winning the TE3 job for the Chargers, getting all the 1st team practice reps while Gates and McMichael are nursing aches and pains. Sounds like Turner (and possibly) Rivers are pretty happy with the guy.

 

[Gr00vus]

Gates expected to practice Thursday.

 

[southeastjerome]

Did I read last year that if you fully tear the plantar fascia it is actually better long term and heals faster? If so, wouldn't Gates be less of an injury risk? Can we get any plantar fascia mavens to comment on this?