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Any chance Brees can win MVP, even with LT breaking the record? (1 Viewer)
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Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
If he breaks Marino's record, they'll share the MVP, like Manning and McNair did. They might anyway, depending on what happens for the rest of the year.
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
Sadly, Brees will probably only earn pro bowl honors...unless of course he earns a Pete Roselle trophy. 
Pnishthm
Footballguy
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Dude saved my ### tonight. UNREAL. First round of the playoffs, and I got 35 out of Brees while my opponent started the DAL D and got -3. Brees was good for a 38 point swing, and clinched the unlikely win. WOW...
I have pure MANlove for Brees.
I have pure MANlove for Brees.
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
LT is favored not just because of the record, but because the Chargers have the best record in the league right now. I could see the MVP being shared if Brees breaks Marino's records end up within a couple games.
dparker713
Footballguy
Even if Brees breaks Marino's record, I just dont see anyway he'll get a share of the MVP. LT is just going to demolish the record and he might end up with more TDs then any QB in the league. Thats just insane.
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
I'm not dogging you but I would really like to see the reasoning on this.Please...convince me.
Kyzersosik
Footballguy
I`d like to see Brees win it also. 5000+ looks VERY reachable and he`s doing it with 5 different main targets. But the biggest reason is that he`s coming off an injury to his throwing arm and taking one of the biggest laughing stock teams in league history to the playoffs. Can you believe the Saints might be the #2 seed in the NFC. Many things besides Brees have had to fall together but I`ll bet most fans had the Saints winning 4 maybe 5 games. Brees might just make it 11 or 12 with a 1`st round bye. 
Floyd The Barber
Footballguy
LT = MVP
Brees= Comeback POY
Brees= Comeback POY
Floyd The Barber
Footballguy
LT = MVP
Brees= Comeback POY
Brees= Comeback POY
I would give it to Brees. I look at the MVP this way: How would the team do if this player would not on the team? Looking at the state of NO in prior years and how they resemble an actual "team" now, I give Brees plenty of credit for that. As for LT, I take nothing away from him, but SD would still be a winning team without him, IMO.
zamboni
Footballguy
Very good point. I think many are overlooking how Rivers' job has been considerably easier having LT behind him . If it's any other RB back there, it's hard to imagine Rivers and the offense overall having nearly the same success.
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
Even if Brees doesn't beat Marino's record, I would like to see them share MVP, like McNair and Manning (2003?) did. Between Tomlinson breaking the TD record and Brees chasing the passing yardage record, this year of football has been a real treat to follow.
Imagine NO playing SD in the Super Bowl ... what a fun game that would be.
Ni
Imagine NO playing SD in the Super Bowl ... what a fun game that would be.
Ni
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
I've been saying this for years, but every sport needs to have two separate and distinct awards.
1. Most Valuable Player: QB-Drew Brees-NO
2. Player of the Year: RB-LaDainian Tomlinson-SD
All too often the winner of the MVP is just the player of the year.
1. Most Valuable Player: QB-Drew Brees-NO
2. Player of the Year: RB-LaDainian Tomlinson-SD
All too often the winner of the MVP is just the player of the year.
Sinrman
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I don't get people saying Come back player of the year???What did he come back from?He was one of the top QB's last year.I know he was injured in the last game of the season, and it was considered a bad injury, but it's not like he had a bad year and was considered to be done.He had a very good year, and then was still given a HUGE contract to go play for another team.
Gargoylez
Footballguy
I dont think the Bolts would be THIS good. I think that is a little exaggerated. LT is an amazing player ALL AROUND... even things that are not on the stat sheet.But I do agree with you, the bigger difference would DEFINATELY be BRees. I honestly beleive Brees is the reason the Saints are doing so well. I was VERY impressed with the Coaching staff as well. They had a killer gameplan for the Cowboys last night and it was enjoyable watdching how dominate that offense was against a fairly good D.
dparker713
Footballguy
People do realize that something like 34 of the Saint's 53 man roster weren't on the team last year, right? The turn around has been huge not just in win/loss, but also in terms of personnel. Brees has done a great job, but LT wins this award hands down.
Early in the season LT was their only option, and when the FD was injured/suspended he carried the team. Everytime they've needed points he's been big. And no other RB in the league could do close to what he's done. No one in the history of the league has been able to do what he's done this year.
On the other hand, several QBs in the league could approach what Brees has done in that offense with those weapons - Im not saying they'd be as good, but close, 90% or so.
Early in the season LT was their only option, and when the FD was injured/suspended he carried the team. Everytime they've needed points he's been big. And no other RB in the league could do close to what he's done. No one in the history of the league has been able to do what he's done this year.
On the other hand, several QBs in the league could approach what Brees has done in that offense with those weapons - Im not saying they'd be as good, but close, 90% or so.
zamboni
Footballguy
I agree with a lot of what you say, but I think your last paragraph is untrue and diminishes the talent, poise and stability Brees has brought to the table.
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
I don't agree with this at all - Brees is something special to watch. I think a lot of the success in New Orleans is due to the pairing of Payton with Brees. Brees executes the plays flawlessly, whether it is a play action or a fake screen. He has a lot of poise and doesn't seem to get rattled much. I can't see QB's like Eli, Vick, or .. well anyone doing the things that Brees does there - and it isn't like he has superstud receivers. Terrance Copper, Devery Henderson? Horn and Colston go down and the number 3 and 4 guys step up. It's almost as if they could drag someone in from the stands and Brees would make him a 1000 yard receiverHe has made me a believer this year. With Bush, Colston, Brees, and McAllister to build around Payton is going to enjoy some good years with the Saints, I believe
Ni
Edit: er, looks like Zamboni beat me to it
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Brees is more valuable to the Saints. That said, either would be a great choice and I'm not sure anyone could argue.
dparker713
Footballguy
Peyton, Palmer, Brady, TGreen, McNabb, Hassleback are all for sure.Maybes include Bulger, Delhomme, McNair, outside shot for Favre
Maybe in a year: Romo, Rivers, Roethlisberger
That's not a long list of for sures in my mind, but its still 1/6th of the starting QBs in the league. He's playing at an elite level, he's just not playing as far ahead of everyone else at his position as LT is.
Archie Bunker
Footballguy
First off, I'm not convinced SD would be nearly as good with Turner as the starter. Even if they were, using this logic, Sean Alexander did not deserve the MVP last year and Joe Montana would never have won either. I'm not taking anything away from Brees. He's having a great season, but what Tomlinson is doing is absolutely amazing. He is making the rest of the team better (as is Brees). No one yet has mentioned the pressure he has taken off of a 1st year starter at QB. Facing 8 man fronts constantly has allowed the receivers to see single coverage all year. Where just about every other RB has struggled against Denver, he has run all over them twice. He has 6 of the 11 rushing TDs scored against Denver. SD has scored TDs in something like 18 of the last 19 times in the red zone. When SD needed a big play against Oakland, he threw a TD pass.
valhallan
Footballguy
The reasoning is: I *think* Drew Brees is the most valuable player to his team, but I also *think* LT2 will win the award for having one of the greatest statistical seasons in NFL history.Are you convinced of my opinion yet?
zamboni
Footballguy
You said it a lot better and with more depth though - well done.
zamboni
Footballguy
It's been said a few times.
Archie Bunker
Footballguy
A thousand pardons. I missed the one reference and subsequent response.
#@%&$!?
Footballguy
I'd agree with that for years like this one. For alot of other years, it would probably end up being the same guy.
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
I think if they both play oustanding for the remainder for rest of season, shared MVP is best choice.
Just my opinion....LT breaking the TD rushing record is not as impressive of an accomplishment than if Brees were to break Marino's single season yardage passing record. LT breaking Dirkerson's single season rushing record = Marino's passing yardage record. That just my opinion. The TD rushing record has been broken several times in recent years therefore I think one needs to evaluate whether it is truly remarkable or perhaps just a trend of the times in the NFL.
Just my opinion....LT breaking the TD rushing record is not as impressive of an accomplishment than if Brees were to break Marino's single season yardage passing record. LT breaking Dirkerson's single season rushing record = Marino's passing yardage record. That just my opinion. The TD rushing record has been broken several times in recent years therefore I think one needs to evaluate whether it is truly remarkable or perhaps just a trend of the times in the NFL.
freeannyong
Footballguy
Quoted for truth. I am been a Purdue fan my entire life, spent 4 years there for school, and Brees is probably my favorite guy to come out of the school. With that said, I don't think he deserves the MVP with what LT has done. Brees is a QB and doesn't have as many TD's as LT, NO WAY he can win the MVP.
freeannyong
Footballguy
Where did you come up with this reasoning?? LT isn't going to break the record he is going to SHATTER it. He is likely to end the year with 36 rushing TD's and possibly 40 total TD's. The 36 rushing TD's alone should be more than any QB in the league. That my friend is more impressive then throwing for 5000 yards.
jonessed
Footballguy
He's also going to break the all-time scoring record which has been around for over four decades. And he isn't just going to break the TD record, he is going to obliterate it.
tmoney300zx
Footballguy
To anyone saying that LT is not the MVP because SD would still be good with Michael Turner:
Are you saying that if SD did not have Turner, LT would be the MVP?
I dont think an MVP award should be decided based on the potential of a backup.
Are you saying that if SD did not have Turner, LT would be the MVP?
I dont think an MVP award should be decided based on the potential of a backup.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
I love how people say "those weapons" when talking about the Saints. Weapons like Devery Henderson, Terrence Copper, Mike Karney, Jamal Jones, Billy Miller, Mark Cambell? Heck, Joe Horn is getting old...Bush is a rookie...McAllister is coming off major knee surgery and who knows how good Colston really is ( he was a 7th round pick after all). Brees is making all of these guys look like all pros. All these guys can't all of a sudden really be this good can they? I'm a diehard Saints fan and I didn't even know who T. Copper was. I didn't know Jamal Jones was even on the roster.
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freeannyong
Footballguy
Please look past your homerism and realize that LT has more TD's than Brees. A RB should not have more TD's then a QB period. That is why SA won MVP last year. That is why LT is going to win in a landslide this year. I am a BIG BIG Drew Brees guy, but really, he doesn't stand a chance at getting the MVP with the year LT is having.I love how people say "those weapons" when talking about the Saints. Weapons like Devery Henderson, Terrence Copper, Mike Karney, Jamal Jones, Billy Miller, Mark Cambell? Heck, Joe Horn is getting old...Bush is a rookie...McAllister is coming off major knee surgery and who knows how good Colston really is ( he was a 7th round pick after all). Breese is making all of these guys look like all pros. All these guys can't all of a sudden really be this good can they? I'm a diehard Saints fan and I didn't even know who T. Copper was. I didn't know Jamal Jones was even on the roster.
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
Throwing for 5000 yards is no mean feat - how many times has it been done before? Marino set the record in 1984, right? So 20+ years that record has held. Emmit set the TD record in 95, then it was broken in 03 by Priest Holmes, then again last year by Shaun, now again by Tomlinson. So in 11 years, it has been broken 4 times, whereas Marino's has lasted for 20 years.
I'm not trying to diminish what LT has done (and is continuing to do), but neither should Brees' accomplishments be diminished either, especially if he does break Marino's record.
Ni
Pnishthm
Footballguy
I most certainly have NO PROBLEM with LT getting that award. I wouldn't have a problem with a split if Brees breaks Marino's record. I'm just pointing out that Brees doesn't really have the weapons that some are making him out to have. Would anyone have suggested this before the season started? He's making players that most would have considered scrubs look like all pros.Please look past your homerism and realize that LT has more TD's than Brees. A RB should not have more TD's then a QB period. That is why SA won MVP last year. That is why LT is going to win in a landslide this year. I am a BIG BIG Drew Brees guy, but really, he doesn't stand a chance at getting the MVP with the year LT is having.I love how people say "those weapons" when talking about the Saints. Weapons like Devery Henderson, Terrence Copper, Mike Karney, Jamal Jones, Billy Miller, Mark Cambell? Heck, Joe Horn is getting old...Bush is a rookie...McAllister is coming off major knee surgery and who knows how good Colston really is ( he was a 7th round pick after all). Breese is making all of these guys look like all pros. All these guys can't all of a sudden really be this good can they? I'm a diehard Saints fan and I didn't even know who T. Copper was. I didn't know Jamal Jones was even on the roster.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
i think it's neck and neck. one advantage brees has is that every game for the Saints is likely to mean something down the stretch. i think you may see LT**2** (last i checked, lawrence taylor was writing books) with fewer touches with SD wrapping up everything there is to play for in the regular season.
point is, brees' stats are likely to continue to impress. although both have had ridiculous seasons.
the "feel good" choice is brees, because everyone wants new orleans to succeed. that's another thing he's got going for him.
point is, brees' stats are likely to continue to impress. although both have had ridiculous seasons.
the "feel good" choice is brees, because everyone wants new orleans to succeed. that's another thing he's got going for him.
