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Anybody buying on Demarco Murray? (1 Viewer)
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ghostguy123
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Called negotiating
Ghost Rider
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I doubt anybody thinks that just anyone can do what Murray did, but in today's NFL, RBs are more replaceable than stud WRs, especially when Dallas has that beastly of an O-line. Dez is simply more important to keep, and I won't blame Murray one bit if he takes the money and runs, since this is probably the biggest payday he'll ever get.
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cstu
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The Cowboys are sitting at home while the Patriots are in the Super Bowl with...wait, who's their RB?
ghostguy123
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ILUVBEER99
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depends on if he returns to DAL. if not i'd easily take the Gordon/Gurley gamble over him. This year will look like a huge outlier if he's not back in Dallas.
ghostguy123
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I am pretty confident murray could do well just about anywhere as a three down back. Dallas is ideal of course.
If i knew he was leaving but didnt know which team, not sure which way i go there
jeaton6
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Maybe but the question posed was "right now". Right now there's uncertainty but his trade value is still > 1.1 IMO. 2,200 total yards and 13 TDs is typically an outlier for even the best. No debate there will be some regression stay or go but 1,700 total and 8-10 TDs is likely his floor so long as he's healthy.
ILUVBEER99
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if he goes for the payday he's probably not going to a very good team. plus he had over 500 touches counting the playoffs this season and it's the first year he's stayed healthy.
i just think this season as a perfect storm for him and the odds he ever repeats anything close is very low.
ILUVBEER99
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ghostguy123
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He doesnt need to repeat that to be a stud though. What are the odds whoever you take at pick 1 will have a season lIke that? Far lower than murray IMO
Dr. Octopus
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The Seahawks are in the Super Bowl...with wait, who's their RB? There's many different ways to build a team. The last time the Pats actually won a Super Bowl, they had a borderline Hall of Famer at RB.
12punch
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that might be true but they're also not paying their qb, and there's already talk about lynch being a contract casualty
how is baldwin's contract going to stack up to dez next year?
you can't pay everybody
Dr. Octopus
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Yes, very true. I'm not saying that the Cowboys will or should pay Murray - was just pointing out that it's not as clear as "this one team once made the Super Bowl with a RB they found on the scrap heap and therefore...."
Overall, even as a Murray owner, I agree though that it's looking unlikely he ends back up in Dallas.
ghostguy123
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They make it sound like DEz and Murray are like the only two guys on the team or something.
Is there nobody else on the roster who is currently overpaid who they could cut loose for some extra room here?
Is there nobody else on the roster who is currently overpaid who they could cut loose for some extra room here?
Yes, Carr cut after June 1st will save $8ML & Melton $9ML.
Melton is gone for sure. Carr may restructure and take a big paycut or he's gone and we live with Mo at CB.
cstu
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They are likely cutting Melton so that will free up $8.5M, putting them about $11M under the cap. He's just about the only guy worth cutting. They theoretically could sign Murray but it doesn't seem like the best use of their money.
ghostguy123
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If it is "murray or......" who is better to keep over murray?
Not counting dez
Who will be that last keeper over murray for them
Not counting dez
Who will be that last keeper over murray for them
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cowboyz1
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Three moves makes plenty of room to sign or tag Murray, and sign Dez to big contract. Bonus Romo like they did the last three years, cut melton and restructure Carr. That will give them approximately 25 to 30 mil in cap space. They are at around 10 mil now. I don't see the cap as much of a problem this year to get done what they need to. I suspect they keep the Offense intact and put some more talent on defense. Jerry loves what he saw last year from his players and is not about to throw away a SB shot by not signing the guys that got the job done. History shows he never and I mean NEVER loses the players he wants or needs. When the coaches told him that Sanders was the player they needed to get to the SB and win it. He went and got him, wallet be damned.
If not Murray then AP. Those are really the only two options I see happening.
If not Murray then AP. Those are really the only two options I see happening.
BigSteelThrill
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ghostguy123
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While true, he can't exactly go get a guy and think "Salary cap be damned".
I have thought all along, and still do, that they find a way to keep Murray though.
Bracie Smathers
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I guess the Boys offered $6 million a year and he didn't take it and probably is asking $10 million. I'm not a cap guy so pardon if my estimation is off but I'm thinking they could hammer out a deal in the $8 million range. So basically we're talking about $2 million which I think is worth to keep DeMarco Murray.
A few years back the Boys drafted their OLT high in the first round and he's been a stud. A couple years after that they moved-back to the end of the first round and got a really good center. Then last year they stood solid and didn't take a QB but took a guard fairly high in the first round. The pick of the tackle was need and value. The center selection was need but not a value pick because they got reamed at the time but it turned out well.
Jerry had his RB in Murray but he still was a bit soft in the middle of that O-Line. I think the pick of Zach Martin was with the intent of building a solid run blocking line for DeMarco Murray and it worked out.
Now we're talking about $2 million that could mean keeping him or letting him walk.
No, sorry I don't see it happening. I don't see Jerry Jones throwing DeMarco Murray overboard just to save $2 or even $3 million bucks.
He built a great line to fit Murray and it worked almost to perfection. How do you improve on the best single season performance in team history and the league leading rusher? You don't improve that and you don't throw it all away hoping a free agent can come in and fit or count on some flake on your roster and you don't bet a rookie can pass protect your QB who had a broken back one of the times you didn't have Murray in the backfield protecting him from the blitz.
I see the bottom line as $2 or possibly $3 million to keep the best rushing attack that Jerry Jones built intact. I think he can and will come up with that and keep the band together. Jerry has pride but he's smarter than letting one of his most carefully crafted successful football plans unravel just to save some money especially when its money well spent. He won't get a bigger bang for his dollars than hammering out a contract to keep DeMarco Murray IMHO.
A few years back the Boys drafted their OLT high in the first round and he's been a stud. A couple years after that they moved-back to the end of the first round and got a really good center. Then last year they stood solid and didn't take a QB but took a guard fairly high in the first round. The pick of the tackle was need and value. The center selection was need but not a value pick because they got reamed at the time but it turned out well.
Jerry had his RB in Murray but he still was a bit soft in the middle of that O-Line. I think the pick of Zach Martin was with the intent of building a solid run blocking line for DeMarco Murray and it worked out.
Now we're talking about $2 million that could mean keeping him or letting him walk.
No, sorry I don't see it happening. I don't see Jerry Jones throwing DeMarco Murray overboard just to save $2 or even $3 million bucks.
He built a great line to fit Murray and it worked almost to perfection. How do you improve on the best single season performance in team history and the league leading rusher? You don't improve that and you don't throw it all away hoping a free agent can come in and fit or count on some flake on your roster and you don't bet a rookie can pass protect your QB who had a broken back one of the times you didn't have Murray in the backfield protecting him from the blitz.
I see the bottom line as $2 or possibly $3 million to keep the best rushing attack that Jerry Jones built intact. I think he can and will come up with that and keep the band together. Jerry has pride but he's smarter than letting one of his most carefully crafted successful football plans unravel just to save some money especially when its money well spent. He won't get a bigger bang for his dollars than hammering out a contract to keep DeMarco Murray IMHO.
Bracie Smathers
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Dallas declines to pick up the option on DT Henry Melton saving just under $8.5 million against their salary cap.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2015/02/source-dallas-cowboys-decline-to-pick-up-3-year-option-on-dt-henry-meltons-contract-making-him-a-free-agent.html/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfee
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2015/02/source-dallas-cowboys-decline-to-pick-up-3-year-option-on-dt-henry-meltons-contract-making-him-a-free-agent.html/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfee
FreeBaGeL
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Was this expected in the articles that lamented the difficulty of re-signing both Dez/Murray or is this a surprise?
ghostguy123
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Bracie Smathers
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It was not indicated from previous reports that Henry Melton would not be resigned. The previous reports stated the Cowboys had to make a decision on whether or not to resign Melton so this is a new development that doubles the cap space that were reported for Dallas.
They can also free up another $3 million if they trade or cut CB Brandon Carr by June 1st.
This is an article from January that mentioned Dallas could not afford to sign both Dez and DeMarco but in this article from January it stated they could choose to not re-sign Melton to gain additional cap savings and they also point out they can gain even more cap savings by trading or cutting CB Carr by June 1st.
So right after deciding to not resign Melton and clearing $8.5 million from their books it now it looks like they have enough cap space to sign both Dez and DeMarco.
http://q.usatoday.com/2015/01/16/dallas-cowboys-offseason-salary-cap-demarco-murray-dez-bryant/
And its been mentioned that they have room to restructure Romo's contract to save up to an additional $12.5 million but right now, without making any additional moves, it looks like they have the cap available to resign both Bryant and Murray.
Alex P Keaton
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It would be awesome to see them re-sign Murray. That defense is awful, and even with Murray they aren't a top-3 offense. Bringing him back all but guarantees the defense will be horrific, and takes them out of the title chase. IMO.
ghostguy123
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They pretty much need to do whatever they need to do to get them both back. Their window in the next 3 years. PLan for some dead money for a year or so after that, and go for it.
cstu
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The offer that the Cowboys put on the table is $4 million per year.
As a comparison RB Adrian Peterson is making over $12 million per year.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/02/20/peterson-to-cowboys-dream-suddenly-viable/
The Boys ARE NOT going to trade for Adrian Peterson and pay him over $8 million MORE than the money they offered DeMarco Murray. So cross that idea off the list. Then you are looking at Gordon and Gurley. A rookie RB protecting Romo. A rookie who won't be as good protecting Romo. A rookie who won't know the offense as good as Murray. A rookie who may never turn out to be as good for Murray at any point in his career but certainly won't their rookie season.
The window of opportunity with Romo places Murray's value higher because the Boys need the sort of skills that Murray brings to the table right now, not a year or two down the line should some rookie's potential eventually match Murray.
Also why would anyone suggest Adrian Peterson as a good fit to go the Cowboys especially when faced with his contract numbers? Does anyone honestly think AdP would agree to an $8 million + pay cut just to play in Texas?
That $2 million doesn't look so insurmountable when you really boil things down IMHO. It seems foolish to not resign him if that is the number preventing it from happening.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20150225-machota-what-it-will-take-to-keep-demarco-murray-with-cowboys.ece
As a comparison RB Adrian Peterson is making over $12 million per year.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/02/20/peterson-to-cowboys-dream-suddenly-viable/
It seems that $6 million per year would work so we're talking about $2 million difference so the question boils down to valuing the production and everything else that DeMarco Murray brings to the team or how much less a rookie or some free agent RB could bring and then looking at the $2 million difference and saying that it would be worth it.
The Boys ARE NOT going to trade for Adrian Peterson and pay him over $8 million MORE than the money they offered DeMarco Murray. So cross that idea off the list. Then you are looking at Gordon and Gurley. A rookie RB protecting Romo. A rookie who won't be as good protecting Romo. A rookie who won't know the offense as good as Murray. A rookie who may never turn out to be as good for Murray at any point in his career but certainly won't their rookie season.
The window of opportunity with Romo places Murray's value higher because the Boys need the sort of skills that Murray brings to the table right now, not a year or two down the line should some rookie's potential eventually match Murray.
Also why would anyone suggest Adrian Peterson as a good fit to go the Cowboys especially when faced with his contract numbers? Does anyone honestly think AdP would agree to an $8 million + pay cut just to play in Texas?
That $2 million doesn't look so insurmountable when you really boil things down IMHO. It seems foolish to not resign him if that is the number preventing it from happening.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20150225-machota-what-it-will-take-to-keep-demarco-murray-with-cowboys.ece
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