Anybody buying on Demarco Murray? (1 Viewer)

[jamchamp1]

I don't see Sproles as much of a threat to Murray's rushing workload this year. Relatively all of the Eagles receivers are inexperienced or ineffective (Riley Cooper). I expect to see Sproles lined up as a slot receiver just as much if not more than he lines up as a runningback. Matthews will eat into his rushing touches, but it will be for the purpose of keeping him fresh. Plus, with how many plays the Eagles run, does it really matter if Murray only rushes 60% of the time. Last year everyone hated on McCoy because he wasn't as good as the previous year. He still put up very solid numbers once the O-line got back in shape. Sure he got a couple vultures from Polk/Sproles but you would have to think Murray is going to be the goal line back for the most part as he is much more of a downhill runner than McCoy.

 

[dhockster]

I do not trust Chip's 3 headed monster at all. Not buying Murray

I think this is a very valid point. I think Murray will be just fine in this offense. But with options like Mathews and Sproles, if Murray gets dinged at all, Chip has no reason to rush him back. Plus, if you believe like I do, that the Eagles are going to be up by a lot in quite a few games then he will probably not be playing a full 60 minute game quite a few times this season. The Eagles are going to have a lot of different people scoring, so Murray may have touches at the goalline bogarted by other players. I see 1,100 yards rushing, 400 receiving, and 8-10 TD's. Draft accordingly.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

I dont know about slow. He ran a 4.37 at the combine. Maybe he has lost a step since then, but even if he is now a 4.5 guy, he isnt slow (and I doubt he has lost that much speed). Here are his combine numbers. Excellent athlete.http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/500/

That was before he broke his leg.

Oh, I forgot to mention his fumbling problems. He lost the game Vs. the Packers by fumbling the ball on what should have been a touchdown run. Granted, he would have been chased down before scoring.

You sound like a Cowboys fan. Dont fret...Im sure the McFadden/Randle committee will be a huge improvement over last season's leading rusher in the NFL. Since he is pathetically slow and fumbles so much.

You sound like an #######. You know, not sticking to the subject or posting anything other then the equivalent of me being a hater.

Fine. Don't listen to me. He's really fast, doesn't fumble and doesn't ever get hurt.

My bad. Seriously. I shoudlnt have gone there. Just seems outrageous to me that people hate on a guy who just led the league in rushing, and had such a phenomenal season. I know the OL in Dallas is awesome, but Murray was awesome in his own right, and I personally feel that Cowboys fans on the whole do not appreciate what he brought to that offense.

Thanks and same to you. I'm not hating on Murray. Trust me when I say this, I will miss him. I'm not content with McFadden and Randle. I'll miss Murray for his pass pro more then anything.

I'm just being honest in my assessment. He's got very good quickness and burst but no longer has that combine speed. To be fair, not many players keep their speed.

He's got far more positives then negatives.

Smart

GREAT at pass pro.

Good hands.

Good vision

Good power

Good balance

Good vision

With all that said

He's lost a lot of top end speed and is regularly chased down from behind on runs that most dudes take to the house. On the play that broke his leg he got ran down and I think he anticipates and fears defenders from tackling him from behind because of it. You will notice on his longer runs he constantly looks back and will often reach back and meet the pursuer.

His fumbling is an issue if he's gonna lay it on the ground at inoperative times. He tends to carry the ball in his hand a lot.

His injury history. Each year he's been affected by injury. Last year, during a contract year he tougher it out. A few years ago he practiced all week prior to a HUGE game vs the Giants with playoff implications and then tapped out the day of the game stating he was only 95%. So he took all the first team reps from the other dudes and then copped out last minute.

I like Murray. I already miss him. I just don't think he's a special/elite back. That doesn't make me a bitter Cowboys fan or a hater.

I think you'll come around to my line of thinking of you watch him play more closely.

Wish you the very best. Ive said all I can on the subject and I'll check back in mid season to eat crow or gloat.

 

[Manster]

1. He sure seems pretty damned fast to me, last year included. The guys taken ahead of him, who is faster? Peterson? Charles certainly. I mean, is anyone else discernibly faster than he?

2. Lots of guys are not great at holding onto the ball. But being paid as much as he is by a new team, they obviously know about it and think he's worth it. That would likely mean we are looking at a guy with pretty nice job security, and, if god forbid his backup needs to take over, see point 3.

3. He is not an iron man, but not sure he has more risk than your general RB looking at the guys taken ahead of him. Finally, you have a nice situation of having a clear backup in Matthews who would likely be a top 15 RB in that system should he be the bell cow back. That's a nice mitigation to that concern.

I like Murray, but he's not very fast. He hits the hole with a quick burst, but he's not out running the faster DB's or LB's

 

[GoBirds]

Sour grapes crew hitting it hard in here huh?

 

[Manster]

Sour grapes crew hitting it hard in here huh?

Not at all. I still think letting Demarco walk was absolutely the right business decision. I like him, wish we still had him, bit not at the price he got. And he start the season fast....we'll see if he wears down

 

[Thunderlips]

Murray's going to be a much better real life RB in the Eagles system than a fantasy stud. He'll defintely be limited in touches with Matthews there. 1500 total yards and 10+tds is about right....with Matthews taking 8-10TDs.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't see Sproles as much of a threat to Murray's rushing workload this year. Relatively all of the Eagles receivers are inexperienced or ineffective (Riley Cooper). I expect to see Sproles lined up as a slot receiver just as much if not more than he lines up as a runningback. Matthews will eat into his rushing touches, but it will be for the purpose of keeping him fresh. Plus, with how many plays the Eagles run, does it really matter if Murray only rushes 60% of the time. Last year everyone hated on McCoy because he wasn't as good as the previous year. He still put up very solid numbers once the O-line got back in shape. Sure he got a couple vultures from Polk/Sproles but you would have to think Murray is going to be the goal line back for the most part as he is much more of a downhill runner than McCoy.

This plus McCoy just looked bad. He has nothing for power.

 

[Insein]

Who cares about the money. If the eagles think it fits the cap, then why the #### would I care once they're on the field.

On the field I really think Chip was pissed off about the 2 losses we had last year by 1 yard in SF and AZ. I don't know if they targeted Murray and Mathews right away or just fell into it but he got 2 solid backs. It tells me 400 carries is the floor. I think he'll try to push the 500 carry mark.

Murray 250

Mathews 200

Sproles 50

Somewhere in that range.

Still think this will be the case.

 

[Koya]

Who cares about the money. If the eagles think it fits the cap, then why the #### would I care once they're on the field.

On the field I really think Chip was pissed off about the 2 losses we had last year by 1 yard in SF and AZ. I don't know if they targeted Murray and Mathews right away or just fell into it but he got 2 solid backs. It tells me 400 carries is the floor. I think he'll try to push the 500 carry mark.

Murray 250

Mathews 200

Sproles 50

Somewhere in that range.

Still think this will be the case.

How can you say who cares about the money? Much as that should be the case, it matters all the time. To GMs who want to look "right" to owners who pay the money and put pressure to have them play.

And, most of all the very legit point that the Eagles paid that much money because they saw SOMEthing - and my guess at that price is they did not see a back to split carries anymore than most lead backs.

Now, of course any of us can be wrong, and the season takes on a life of its own, but I just don't see any rationale for folks to think this would not be at the least a 60/40 split and more likely 65/35 or even 70/30.

The "caveat" here, which is only a bonus to be honest, is that we expect the team to run more plays than most. So whatever the split, that means more touches and it also provides a rationale why the team might think a high performing backup (and that is what Matthews is, he's not as good and never has been as good as Murray, though he is pretty skilled overall) is needed, since whether he gets 25%, 30% or 40% of the touches, that's going to be a higher number than a typical backup as well.

If I were going off 500 carries as the target, I'd guess this (health depending, as neither back is an iron man):

275-300 for Murray

150-175 for Matthews

25-30 Sproles (just don't see the need for him carrying the ball more than a couple times a game and maybe less than that)

25 assorted (QB, TE/FullBack/H Back/whatever they are calling it today)

That about 17-20 a game for Murray, 10-12 for Matthews which seems like a good balance which gets Matthews a lot of activity for a backup and they should both see some recepts as well.

Sproles seems like the odd man out. Considering they really reduced his role last year and seem to be focusing him on return duties, with maybe a couple packages / key plays on offense, it seems to make sense.

I think the good news for Fantasy is that regardless of the splits, there is a lot to go around in this offense, and Matthews provides both a potential bye week filler and also a very solid handcuff for a great fantasy back in a great fantasy offense.

 

[dhockster]

No problems on my end. And I see your points about Murray. I almost think, from a football perspective, his lack of home run speed which you alluded to benefits the Eagles offense. It sound ridiculous to say I would rather have him gain 15 yards on a run rather than 30, but the Eagles can really wear down a defense if they run a lot of plays consecutively. If they are going 3 and out or scoring in 4 or 5 plays, the defense really doesn't wear down. So from a football perspective I think Murray is going to be just what the Eagles need. From a FF perspective, I would be leary of taking him too high, because of the injury risk and the possibility the Eagles spread the wealth throughout their offensive players.

My comments of course come with the qualifier that it is pre-season, the Eagles haven't played a meaningful down yet, and my fan optimism has me thinking the Eagles will go 19-0 and run the table.

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[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

No problems on my end. And I see your points about Murray. I almost think, from a football perspective, his lack of home run speed which you alluded to benefits the Eagles offense. It sound ridiculous to say I would rather have him gain 15 yards on a run rather than 30, but the Eagles can really wear down a defense if they run a lot of plays consecutively. If they are going 3 and out or scoring in 4 or 5 plays, the defense really doesn't wear down. So from a football perspective I think Murray is going to be just what the Eagles need. From a FF perspective, I would be leary of taking him too high, because of the injury risk and the possibility the Eagles spread the wealth throughout their offensive players.

My comments of course come with the qualifier that it is pre-season, the Eagles haven't played a meaningful down yet, and my fan optimism has me thinking the Eagles will go 19-0 and run the table.

I know exactly what you mean by not wanting the score too fast. It sounds crazy and people look at me sometimes with one eyebrow raised when I say this but what you actually never want to score on every play. Sure you get seven points but it's almost a turnover and your defense get zero rest. We've seen it time and time again with seems like the Rams and the greatest show on turf and all the points they put up. By the end of the game their defense is toast to get run up and down the field just like they were the Rams.

Long sustained drives are what keeps your defense off the field and fresh, while wearing out the opponents defense.

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[Kwai Chang Caine]

I've probably said this before but from a pure FF perspective, I think it's a wise move to take Murray in the second round where you will have a high probability of landing him in the first two thirds of round two. Pair him up with a killer WR in round one or Lynch or someone. I'm not nuts about ANY first round RB. Murray has a legit chance to produce round one numbers at a second round price tag. I love it!

 

[Insein]

I've probably said this before but from a pure FF perspective, I think it's a wise move to take Murray in the second round where you will have a high probability of landing him in the first two thirds of round two. Pair him up with a killer WR in round one or Lynch or someone. I'm not nuts about ANY first round RB. Murray has a legit chance to produce round one numbers at a second round price tag. I love it!

Went Demaryius, Demarco, DeAndre

 

[dhockster]

I've probably said this before but from a pure FF perspective, I think it's a wise move to take Murray in the second round where you will have a high probability of landing him in the first two thirds of round two. Pair him up with a killer WR in round one or Lynch or someone. I'm not nuts about ANY first round RB. Murray has a legit chance to produce round one numbers at a second round price tag. I love it!

Went Demaryius, Demarco, DeAndre

I think DeAndre is going to have a big year. Even if his QB's are mediocre, he has great hands, and is going to catch a lot of balls.

And I like what you did with the De's. Maybe rename you team "Deranged" or "The Derangers"

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I've probably said this before but from a pure FF perspective, I think it's a wise move to take Murray in the second round where you will have a high probability of landing him in the first two thirds of round two. Pair him up with a killer WR in round one or Lynch or someone. I'm not nuts about ANY first round RB. Murray has a legit chance to produce round one numbers at a second round price tag. I love it!

Went Demaryius, Demarco, DeAndre

I like that a lot! What pick and how many teams? I'm gonna guess pick 10 in a 12 team league.

 

[Insein]

Pick 7 in 12 team PPR

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Pick 7 in 12 team PPR

Murray at 18 is nice.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I've probably said this before but from a pure FF perspective, I think it's a wise move to take Murray in the second round where you will have a high probability of landing him in the first two thirds of round two. Pair him up with a killer WR in round one or Lynch or someone. I'm not nuts about ANY first round RB. Murray has a legit chance to produce round one numbers at a second round price tag. I love it!

Went Demaryius, Demarco, DeAndre

I think DeAndre is going to have a big year. Even if his QB's are mediocre, he has great hands, and is going to catch a lot of balls.

And I like what you did with the De's. Maybe rename you team "Deranged" or "The Derangers"

Tenacious De's

 

[Insein]

If ever there was an appropriate time for the name, I think De'es Nuts is in order.

 

[Insein]

I've probably said this before but from a pure FF perspective, I think it's a wise move to take Murray in the second round where you will have a high probability of landing him in the first two thirds of round two. Pair him up with a killer WR in round one or Lynch or someone. I'm not nuts about ANY first round RB. Murray has a legit chance to produce round one numbers at a second round price tag. I love it!

Went Demaryius, Demarco, DeAndre

I think DeAndre is going to have a big year. Even if his QB's are mediocre, he has great hands, and is going to catch a lot of balls.

And I like what you did with the De's. Maybe rename you team "Deranged" or "The Derangers"

If you've seen the stupid Observations thread I made, I actually have 6 guys that name begins with De.

Demaryius, Demarco, DeAndre, Desean, Devante, Dexter. Very random.

 

[Manster]

haha, just bustin ur chops.

Look, Steady and I have both said we like Murray a lot. His positives do outweigh his negatives. But as soon as we point out his negatives we're "sour grapes" idiot Cowboys fans! Whatever, cant win I guess.

Again, Murray is a stud, no doubt. But he did wear down with the workload (who wouldn't) last season. His untimely fumbles (GB playoff game) cant be ignored. And yes, he does get run down from behind. I don't think he has the top end speed he had at the combine. BUT, before he gets run down, he usually gains good yards. And he finishes runs nicely, rarely falling backwards.

That said, if he stays healty, he's a damn good football player, and will serve the eagles well. Cant wait to play the eagles.

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[SaintsInDome2006]

What's bothered me here is the presence of Mathews. I doubt he's going to be a standard backup, Murray owners could be in for some frustration in various situations.

 

[Ilov80s]

What's bothered me here is the presence of Mathews. I doubt he's going to be a standard backup, Murray owners could be in for some frustration in various situations.

I agree and would not be surprised if Murray has results similar to what McCoy did last year. Maybe a few less touches, but more productive with the touches. Good, but more a high end RB2 than an RB1. Actually, best case scenario might be if Murray gets hurt and Matthew gets the bulk of the work.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Guys lets knock off the insults of other team's fan bases that have now been deleted. This is a thread about Murray and his football and fantasy prospects. People that come in here for that don't want to wade through this stuff.

 

[starks]

Chip has to understand how important this game is to Murray and how motivated he will be. Unless he is really stinking up the joint and Mathews is running lights out I think he gets to carry the kitchen sink this weekend and get some nasty numbers.

Anybody with me?

 

[Insein]

I believe Murray has a HUGE day Sunday. I have him going in my main league and all DFS this week.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Buy with what? I'm guessing everyone & their grandma have been waiting for this matchup. Buck 20, 2-3 TDs.

 

[Manster]

I'm confident he'll have a nice sunday....not too nice though, if u know wat I mean

 

[Sabertooth]

I sure hope I feel a lot better after this weekend about Murray.

 

[flapgreen]

I believe Murray has a HUGE day Sunday. I have him going in my main league and all DFS this week.

Is that why you think he has a HUGE day?

 

[Han Solo]

Eagle fans are a joke...just like chippy...sproles is the back to own...

 

[Don't Noonan]

Eagle fans are a joke...just like chippy...sproles is the back to own...

Let me give you a clue......they aren't going to be playing from behind very often

 

[Han Solo]

Eagle fans are a joke...just like chippy...sproles is the back to own...

Let me give you a clue......they aren't going to be playing from behind very often

Really? Sounds like you have inside information. Remember, we are talking about a team that really has never won a thing. This year is different though? I guess we shall see. Good luck.....

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I sure hope I feel a lot better after this weekend about Murray.

You didn't feel,good about the two TDs he had last week? Jeez some people are tough to please...

 

[Insein]

I believe Murray has a HUGE day Sunday. I have him going in my main league and all DFS this week.

Is that why you think he has a HUGE day?

That's more a result of me thinking he'll have a HUGE day.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I sure hope I feel a lot better after this weekend about Murray.

You didn't feel,good about the two TDs he had last week? Jeez some people are tough to please...

Saber is a bit of a different breed. Case in point his 5 year running Time to Sell Peterson thread he bumps annually.

 

[Sabertooth]

The two touchdowns were great. But I doubt he scores 32 touchdowns this season in 150 yards rushing.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The two touchdowns were great. But I doubt he scores 32 touchdowns this season in 150 yards rushing.

That would be awesome!

 

[The Moz]

Murray is the lead back on one of the best offenses in the league. Even in a BAD game last week he still saved face by getting 2 TD's and some recepotions to make it respectable. Unless someone offers you like Hyde and K. Allen for him or something like that hold.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Murray is the lead back on one of the best offenses in the league. Even in a BAD game last week he still saved face by getting 2 TD's and some recepotions to make it respectable. Unless someone offers you like Hyde and K. Allen for him or something like that hold.

He's also smack dab in the middle of a RBBC. He got 12 of the 30 RB touches last week, and while I expect his percentage of that pie to improve (Sproles won't catch 7 balls every week), he likely will need to score a lot to justify what his ADP was, and a touchdown every six touches (what he had last week) is not sustainable over a 16-game season for a RB who gets touches.

 

[Insein]

Be patient. Week 1 is always a bit odd for teams since most don't know exactly what the other has been preparing for 6 months. Plus his yardage is skewed by that 12 yard loss where they said he restablished himself way back at the 7. I expect his carries to significantly increase today.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

My goodness. A second round adp for a guy who just had two TDs? So if unless you took Dez in the first to pair with him, I think you're feeling better than (one week I know , I know...) than the Anderson owners and maybe even the Peterson owners.

ETA: I forgot--anderson has played in TWO games and has about as many points as one of Murray's TDs LOL.

 

[Sabertooth]

Be patient. Week 1 is always a bit odd for teams since most don't know exactly what the other has been preparing for 6 months. Plus his yardage is skewed by that 12 yard loss where they said he restablished himself way back at the 7. I expect his carries to significantly increase today.

Hope you are right. It isn't like anyone should be selling him low. But I just hope his stats can come around and he gets 15-20 carries against the Cowboys. I'd feel much better about him.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Playing him in half of my DFS today. I think he's gonna burn Dallas bad and I think Chipper will feed him with payback in mind.

 

[Sabertooth]

Garbage

 

[Insein]

Ok time to panic.

 

[irish eyes]

It amazes me incompetent chip Kelly is. Why the @@@@ did they bother signing Murray??????yeah let's use Ryan Mathews who goes down when a strong wind blows, or 2 foot 5 sproles, sounds great leave demarco on bench

 

[LittlePhatty]

Now I'm thinking the only reason they bought him is to make Dallas weaker. It will be hilarious if they lose this game.

 

[Ghost Rider]

15 carries for -1 yard so far this season through 6+ quarters.

Think he misses Dallas' O-line?