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Anybody buying on Demarco Murray? (2 Viewers)

It was always weird how Mathews was announced as this big RB signing and then right on top of that they signed Murray, sort of eclipsing that but just causing questions about what happened there. Mathews was and is certainly a lead back, why sign Murray on top of that or vice-versa? It seemed confused from the get-go.

 
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It was always weird how Mathews was announced as this big RB signing and then right on top of that they signed Murray, sort of eclipsing that but just causing questions about what happened there. Mathews was and is certainly a lead back, why sign Murray on top of that or vice-versa? It seemed confused from the get-go.
They had a deal in place with Gore that he backed out of at the last minute. They then brought in Mathews as their starter, but while this was all going down, Murray was being offered a crap deal from Dallas. Bradford makes the call, yada yada, they bring him in. I think it was partially a desperation move because they looked at Mathews as a guy that could certainly be their #1, but also came with a lot of injury baggage. Demarco played in the spread offense in college with Bradford, so they probably felt that, even though it was NOT how he was used in Dallas, he could adjust to Chip's system. Its clear in hindsight that was a bad assumption top make. They saw a way to get last year's leading rusher and steal him from a divisional rival. I remember at the beginning of the year people (myself included) were expecting this team to set records for amount of rushing attempts, thinking that Chip's run based offense would be able to utilize a 3 back system to keep them all fresh throughout the game. I thought it was going to be amazing watching the fast paced offense tire out defenders and then just start banging away in the fourth quarter with Mathews and Murray on fresh legs.

it just hasn't happened.

 
It was always weird how Mathews was announced as this big RB signing and then right on top of that they signed Murray, sort of eclipsing that but just causing questions about what happened there. Mathews was and is certainly a lead back, why sign Murray on top of that or vice-versa? It seemed confused from the get-go.
They had a deal in place with Gore that he backed out of at the last minute. They then brought in Mathews as their starter, but while this was all going down, Murray was being offered a crap deal from Dallas. Bradford makes the call, yada yada, they bring him in. I think it was partially a desperation move because they looked at Mathews as a guy that could certainly be their #1, but also came with a lot of injury baggage. Demarco played in the spread offense in college with Bradford, so they probably felt that, even though it was NOT how he was used in Dallas, he could adjust to Chip's system. Its clear in hindsight that was a bad assumption top make. They saw a way to get last year's leading rusher and steal him from a divisional rival. I remember at the beginning of the year people (myself included) were expecting this team to set records for amount of rushing attempts, thinking that Chip's run based offense would be able to utilize a 3 back system to keep them all fresh throughout the game. I thought it was going to be amazing watching the fast paced offense tire out defenders and then just start banging away in the fourth quarter with Mathews and Murray on fresh legs.

it just hasn't happened.
Rumor has it, as Mathews was signing his contract, he dislocated his finger and Chip realized he may need another one also.

 
yeah. If he plays they owe him 8 mill. If they cut him its like 13.5 mill. I'd stil clip him, and take the cap hit. They are always under cap anyways.

 
It was always weird how Mathews was announced as this big RB signing and then right on top of that they signed Murray, sort of eclipsing that but just causing questions about what happened there. Mathews was and is certainly a lead back, why sign Murray on top of that or vice-versa? It seemed confused from the get-go.
Mathews gets hurt a lot. The plan was Gore and Mathews as kind of a 1a, 1b scenario. Chip maybe panicked when Gore backed out.

 
So basically Chip said that it's game plan specific.

And some beat writers have speculated that it's a demotion. Does Chip have a history of lying to the media? Otherwise maybe it's, you know, game plan specific.

 
So basically Chip said that it's game plan specific.

And some beat writers have speculated that it's a demotion. Does Chip have a history of lying to the media? Otherwise maybe it's, you know, game plan specific.
Take this for what it's worth after listening to Ray Didenger, I'm inclined to believe it was a true demotion. He didn't start the game nor finish the game. But who knows? If I had to pick between him and Woodhead then yeah--I'd probably play Murray. I'd be holding my nose though.Oh ann yeah, I think Chip lies his ### off to the media.

 
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Don't know who Ray Didenger is. I actually care more what you have to say than Ray Didenger.
Hall,of Fame reporter and greatest eagles historian. He's the only voice of reason generally in the sea of madness known as the Philly media.

Honestly man, re-reading your situation, I'd be inclined to play Murray over the likes of Hightower. Maybe you'll get more intel on Hightower by Sunday. At least I'd look to see if Barner is inactive. I'd imagine that Matheews is not going to get too many carries after missing three weeks. Sproles could get more than him. If Barner is inactive I have to believe Murray is in line for more work than last week. I have Murray in three leagues but only one is going to the playoffs. In that league, he's on my bench for Draughns.

 
dirtyjay said:
Is anyone cutting Murray in redraft ahead of playoffs? Yes that is a serious question.
I will after this week barring injuries to other Eagles RB's. I gave Cobb from GB the boot this week.

 
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Grateful that I have a bye in the league where I own him. If I sit him going forward, it would be for Powell or Riddick, who, while they have value in PPR, don't have anywhere near the ceiling.

 
So basically Chip said that it's game plan specific.

And some beat writers have speculated that it's a demotion. Does Chip have a history of lying to the media? Otherwise maybe it's, you know, game plan specific.
Welcome to Philly. Chip's basic press conference is lying to the media. He can't even let little things go without lying about it.

"Demarco didn't seek out the owner to complain. He sat next to him on a plane."

"Duce Staley makes all the RB rotation decisions"

Etc etc.

You need to take anything Chip says with a pound of salt.

 
Don't know who Ray Didenger is. I actually care more what you have to say than Ray Didenger.
Ray Didinger is one of the most knowledgeable football historians alive. Works for NFL films and has a real understanding of the game and the many different nuances. He is not an old stuck in his way guy either. He recognizes the many changes that have occurred over the years.

On a side note, he was in the stands for the 1960 championship game where the Eagles beat the Packers.

 
Don't know who Ray Didenger is. I actually care more what you have to say than Ray Didenger.
Ray Didinger is one of the most knowledgeable football historians alive. Works for NFL films and has a real understanding of the game and the many different nuances. He is not an old stuck in his way guy either. He recognizes the many changes that have occurred over the years.

On a side note, he was in the stands for the 1960 championship game where the Eagles beat the Packers.
Furthermore, he was staunchly against the McCoy trade/Murray acquisition and he VEHEMENTLY opposed the Bradford/Foles trade. During the summer I found myself getting angry with Ray thinking he just couldn't see the brilliance of Chip. He's been right all along and I've been duped.

 
Don't know who Ray Didenger is. I actually care more what you have to say than Ray Didenger.
Ray Didinger is one of the most knowledgeable football historians alive. Works for NFL films and has a real understanding of the game and the many different nuances. He is not an old stuck in his way guy either. He recognizes the many changes that have occurred over the years. On a side note, he was in the stands for the 1960 championship game where the Eagles beat the Packers.
I've bumped into Ray a handful of times in Roxborough-think he lives in Lafayette hill. Most gracious and thoughtful guy. Stops, shakes your hand, will chit chat about the upcoming game. Just an awesome guy. Knowledgable as hell too.

 
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Don't know who Ray Didenger is. I actually care more what you have to say than Ray Didenger.
Ray Didinger is one of the most knowledgeable football historians alive. Works for NFL films and has a real understanding of the game and the many different nuances. He is not an old stuck in his way guy either. He recognizes the many changes that have occurred over the years. On a side note, he was in the stands for the 1960 championship game where the Eagles beat the Packers.
Great. Now I know who he is. Sounds like a great guy and good source.
 
Don't know who Ray Didenger is. I actually care more what you have to say than Ray Didenger.
Ray Didinger is one of the most knowledgeable football historians alive. Works for NFL films and has a real understanding of the game and the many different nuances. He is not an old stuck in his way guy either. He recognizes the many changes that have occurred over the years. On a side note, he was in the stands for the 1960 championship game where the Eagles beat the Packers.
Great. Now I know who he is. Sounds like a great guy and good source.
Class act all around. Packer fans would love him because he knows a ridiculous amount about the Lombardi era.

 
First his teammate calls him a #####, now someone at roto calling him a liar. Rough year.

DeMarco Murray said Thursday that he's happy in Philadelphia and wants to return to the Eagles.
Murray is very likely lying through his teeth. A report has already surfaced that Murray would like to return to the Cowboys. Murray played just 14 snaps in last week's win and hasn't been a fit whatsoever in coach Chip Kelly's scheme. Both sides will likely try to move on from each other in the offseason. Murray's workload is extremely uncertain for Week 14
 
Dallas looking really smart not giving this bum a big contract.
I think it cost them the division. No way they are 0-7 when Romo was out if they still had Murray. Crappy signing by the Eagles, but Dallas misses him dearly.
Seth Joyner had an interesting proposal: have Philly trade him back to Dallas. Have Dallas pay what's they originally offered and we'd pick up the balance. Have Dallas also throw in a lineman or two. None of the starters but even practice squad guys. Anybody.

Never happen though....

 
Dallas looking really smart not giving this bum a big contract.
I think it cost them the division. No way they are 0-7 when Romo was out if they still had Murray. Crappy signing by the Eagles, but Dallas misses him dearly.
Seth Joyner had an interesting proposal: have Philly trade him back to Dallas. Have Dallas pay what's they originally offered and we'd pick up the balance. Have Dallas also throw in a lineman or two. None of the starters but even practice squad guys. Anybody.Never happen though....
You're also dealing with Jerry Jones and Chip Kelly. Two guys who would never admit they made a mistake, which is what that deal would be doing.
 
Week 14 Notebook: Russell Wilson making Tom Brady-like rise

Excerpt:

1) Given what's gone down with Eagles back DeMarco Murray, I asked around about whether he'd be a tradeable commodity in the offseason. "Yes," said one AFC exec. "I would guess the contract would probably be more of a hindrance to a trade than his '15 production." Indeed, there is a perception that Murray's problems in Philadelphia are system-related. As for the contract, it'll be a tough one to move -- but not impossible. Similar to Jimmy Graham's situation last year (in acquiring him from the Saints, the Seahawks took on three years and $27 million of what was a four-year, $40 million deal), the structure of Murray's deal makes it so that a team that has money to spend (and a few actually need to get over the salary floor) could see it as workable. He has four years and $31 million left on the contract he inked with Philly last offseason, and only $9 million guaranteed. And $7 million of that $9 million is his 2016 base salary, which you'd be taking on anyway. The average puts him in the neighborhood of the Bears' Matt Forte and the Panthers' Jonathan Stewart, and the ability to escape the deal at any point is attractive. So could the Eagles ship him out for a low pick just to get out of the deal? It's not impossible.
 
Dallas looking really smart not giving this bum a big contract.
Yeah sorry but he's not a bum. He's extremely talented. Just like Peterson and Gurley he needs opportunity. See what happens to any RB with only 10 touches a game. He's a bell cow and he gets better as the game goes on. He needs 25-30 touches a game and it's just not happening in this offense. It also doesn't help Philly plays from behind a lot. The only thing that is shocking for me is they don't use him in the receiving game as much because he has some of the best hands of any RB I have ever seen. That was always his strength going back to college. He is a three down back and Philly will never use him that way with a three headed RBBC. I am a big Demarco fan but I knew this would be a problem so I avoided him for fantasy purposes. Just the presence of Sproles alone makes you question his value due to lack of volume.

I look forward to seeing him play for another team next year because this just isn't a fit for him. Matthews and Speoles seems like a great combo for Philly; they should give that a go for the rest of the season and see how it plays out, then let Demarco walk. Hopefully he finds a good team that can use a three down back so he can shine again. If that happens he will come right back to RB1/2 relevance depending on where he lands...

 
Dallas looking really smart not giving this bum a big contract.
Yeah sorry but he's not a bum. He's extremely talented. Just like Peterson and Gurley he needs opportunity. See what happens to any RB with only 10 touches a game. He's a bell cow and he gets better as the game goes on. He needs 25-30 touches a game and it's just not happening in this offense. It also doesn't help Philly plays from behind a lot. The only thing that is shocking for me is they don't use him in the receiving game as much because he has some of the best hands of any RB I have ever seen. That was always his strength going back to college. He is a three down back and Philly will never use him that way with a three headed RBBC. I am a big Demarco fan but I knew this would be a problem so I avoided him for fantasy purposes. Just the presence of Sproles alone makes you question his value due to lack of volume.

I look forward to seeing him play for another team next year because this just isn't a fit for him. Matthews and Speoles seems like a great combo for Philly; they should give that a go for the rest of the season and see how it plays out, then let Demarco walk. Hopefully he finds a good team that can use a three down back so he can shine again. If that happens he will come right back to RB1/2 relevance depending on where he lands...
I just don't agree. Peterson runs with a physicality and violence like not other back. I haven't had the opportunity to watch Gurly. The idea that Murray is being used wrong has been debunked thoroughly. I've watched every snap. He's slow and lacks "suddenness." He's being outperformed by three--count them three--other running backs on this team. I don't doubt that he may dirt I. Elsewhere but he is no where near the talent of Peterson or McCoy for that matter.

 
Dallas looking really smart not giving this bum a big contract.
I think it cost them the division. No way they are 0-7 when Romo was out if they still had Murray. Crappy signing by the Eagles, but Dallas misses him dearly.
I think Murray is a case study for why it's a bad idea to award huge contracts to the RB position in the NFL today. It's all about the O-line run blocking anyway for guys like Murray. Like most other RBs, he's no Adrian Peterson. And even with AP, the Vikings are still only a wildcard team at best.

 
Dallas looking really smart not giving this bum a big contract.
I think it cost them the division. No way they are 0-7 when Romo was out if they still had Murray. Crappy signing by the Eagles, but Dallas misses him dearly.
I think Murray is a case study for why it's a bad idea to award huge contracts to the RB position in the NFL today. It's all about the O-line run blocking anyway for guys like Murray. Like most other RBs, he's no Adrian Peterson. And even with AP, the Vikings are still only a wildcard team at best.
Because of Demarco Murray, the Philadelphia Eagles are proof you shouldn't pay big money to running backs, while the Dallas Cowboys are proof that sometimes it may be worth it.
 
Rotoworld:

DeMarco Murray - RB - Eagles

ESPN Eagles reporter Phil Sheridan thinks there's a chance DeMarco Murray could have a big role Sunday.

Its just a guess, as Murray could easily play closer to the 14 snaps he saw against the Patriots. The entire Eagles backfield should be avoided this week. Murray has just 22 touches over the last two games.

Source: ESPN.com

Dec 12 - 8:08 PM
 
Rotoworld:

DeMarco Murray - RB - Eagles

ESPN Eagles reporter Phil Sheridan thinks there's a chance DeMarco Murray could have a big role Sunday.

Its just a guess, as Murray could easily play closer to the 14 snaps he saw against the Patriots. The entire Eagles backfield should be avoided this week. Murray has just 22 touches over the last two games.

Source: ESPN.com

Dec 12 - 8:08 PM
Doesn't exactly boost the confidence level.

 
I suppose this is good news. This guy reliable?
No he's not but here are two bits of advice I have for you: check the active list. I'd be shocked if Philly activated all four RBs so if Mathews is active then I highly doubt Barner will be.

Secondly, Mathews per reports I heard on local radio did not come off as sounding very confident in his abilities. In others word, the reporters got the sense he wasn't 100% back from his concussion. He's been out three weeks.

Take these with a grain of salt. I'm not starting Murray but I have Draughns to roll out there.

 
Last time Murray had 8 carries, he came back the next week and got 27 touches. Pretty soon everyone was saying he's fine. Sometimes game flow really does dictate usage. I wish there was a way to cut through all the bull#### with Philly. But it's about as clear as mud right now.

 
Watching NFL Network and they are reporting Ian Rappaport says Murray is #4 rb today. Matthews gets first shot at early down carries. What a mess

 
Watching NFL Network and they are reporting Ian Rappaport says Murray is #4 rb today. Matthews gets first shot at early down carries. What a mess
Rappaport has been known to throw feces at a wall. I could be wrong but I can't see how the eagles activate all four backs. Hang in there until 11:30 when inactives are posted.

 
Watching NFL Network and they are reporting Ian Rappaport says Murray is #4 rb today. Matthews gets first shot at early down carries. What a mess
Rappaport has been known to throw feces at a wall. I could be wrong but I can't see how the eagles activate all four backs. Hang in there until 11:30 when inactives are posted.
Will do and thanks for the info
He could be right but wait for someone else to confirm before taking action. There have been lots of cases where what he reports doesn't pan out, which means either he makes stuff up or teams feed him bad information and he runs with it.

 

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