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Anybody else sick of buying crap from China? (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
No man bun here- but my hair is awfully nice
I’m not the long hair type. A barber shop guy-love a good fade
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rockaction
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
No way I would ever do that. I do mediumish on the top, textured with a 4 on the sides and back, taprered neck. Just make it looks clean and tussled, keep it off my ears and I can handle the rest.
rockaction
Footballguy
Good way to go.
I think the woman who cuts my hair realizes that I'm just agreeable and that stripes at my age are, um...yeah.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Electronics are especially concerning IMO. The Chinese government has their finger in everything and is almost certainly doing their best to insert the ability to spy on everyone through our electronics. That's why the US has effectively banned one of the largest cellphone manufacturers in the world from the US.sbonomo said:
And I get that most people will just shrug their shoulders and say they have nothing to hide, but think about all of the financial information, usernames and passwords, IP from work, etc. It's a very serious issue.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Or maybe Huawei was just starting to boat-race the rest of the field in 5G infrastructure and the US/UK/etc wanted step on their coat tails until a western company could catch up. Maybe, and this is really out there, the US and other western European countries all want to spy on everyone through their electronics just as much as China does.
I don't think the US government is interested in electronics being sold without backdoors. I think the US government is interested in having the keys to the backdoors and making it more difficult for other countries to have keys to those backdoors whether they exist on the hardware, software, or information infrastructure side of things.
At the end of the day I pretty much assume that if either the US government or Chinese government really wanted to know something I did on any wireless network with my cell phone..... they absolutely could know that information. And I use my cell phone as if that was the case. If Osama had been sitting around playing online poker in that dump in Pakistan I bet he would have gotten a dimple in his forehead a heck of a lot faster whether his wifi router was Huawei or Radio Shack.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Huawei was built entirely on stealing IP from US companies and had multiple confirmed cases of Chinese government built in backdoors giving them full access. I don't want the US government doing that either, but given the choice, I REALLY don't want China being given that ability, and they absolutely should be punished for their brazen IP theft. And allowing China to be in control of 5G infrastructure which would give them unlimited abilities to spy on basically the entire world is a total non-starter. If the reason the crackdown happened was to prevent Huawei from beating US firms to 5G tech control...good.
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
It's fine with me as well, I just find it funny when people act like it's the Chinese that want a back door to all communications. Every country wants a backdoor to all communications. (shrug) IMO the big players that could effect my life probably already have that access to my information.
Bad people that had the information from the last Equifax leak are more likely to make my life more miserable than either the US government or the Chinese government and there is NOTHING anyone can do from keeping that Equifax data safe. Equifax hasn't REALLY been punished, and haven't really done all that much to keep my private information much more secure since then....
https://fortune.com/2018/09/07/equifax-data-breach-one-year-anniversary/
.... so it seems to me we only have this hazy TSA-style "take off your shoes at the airport to stay safe" sense of privacy anyway. It just seems like excessive hand-wringing about the levee breaking when the flood has already happened and everyone agrees the rain isn't stopping anytime soon.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
The culture in China gives zero ####s about customer service. From dealing with Chinese businessmen over the years I've heard more than once that they're okay with selling "something once to everyone" instead of reselling multiple times to a group of loyal customers.
Dezbelief
Footballguy
Zero #### about foreign customer service. Giving repeatedly bad customer service to your countrymen can be a capital offense.
Just like shipping out designer drugs with lethal side effects is acceptable as long as you're not selling them locally.
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nirad3
Footballguy
Ugh. Facebook trapped me again.... well, almost. They're advertising a little music box that plays "You Are My Sunshine" with an inscription on top that's for your daughter. I sing that song to my daughter every night I'm home and have for years now. It's $30 and most certainly from China.
I am tempted.
I am tempted.
Riddick02
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
It's an acquired taste I'm told
See this is something I've never got. If you're not buying the flag made in 'Murica, wtf? I get all the tchotchke #### from China but at have soem respect for your nations flag.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Dezbelief
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
And this is something I never got.
Why does it matter if it was Americans or not putting your flag together? Why is that so different for a flag than any other product?
Would you opt for a shoddy flag (materials, durability, etc.) made by Americans over a better quality product made by non-Americans?
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Let's be honest, they are only going to wrap themselves in it for so long anyway.Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I feel lucky to be an American. The more I travel internationally, the more lucky I feel. But I also feel lucky not to have a job sewing flags. If people really think that the problem with this country is we don't have enough jobs sewing flags together anymore...... they just don't get it.
If their argument was that all the materials to create the flag come from far flung corners of the world, to be assembled at the opposite end of the world, to be shipped to my local Walmart for me to buy...... and that process creates air that is less breathable for their grandchildren I would take THAT argument more seriously. Seems to me that's not the argument they are making, though. There are just too many people that think more flag makers in America need to be competing with flag makers in Vietnam. That's hard to take seriously.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I think we've all been repeat customers to Comcast at some point in our lives.Leroy Hoard said:
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Serious question -- why the flag though?
Why not, say, affordable medicine? Improved infrastructure? Better treatment for heart disease or cancer? Muscle cars? Customer service? Entertainment? Renewable energy?
Things that the US arguably can and has done well, and likely has a competitive advantage where the results are truly meaningful -- to citizens, and to any other place where these goods/services can be exported sustainably.
One thing I will always love and respect Americans for is their patriotism and belief in the importance and reverence of its national symbols. While it's strange and a little to most non-Americans, it really can be a good, uniting principle of a diverse nation. That is, until it isn't (e.g. when national pride and symbols are used as a veneer for hate, intolerance, and supremacism ).
Getting too wrapped up in these symbols has its downsides -- in the end, it's just a symbol, so if you want to start making more goods in the US because you are sick of imported goods and believe the US should be better at making things, why not focus on things that can make the US tangibly better, create industry, and can be leveraged in global markets as well. That puts you on the road to making the US as relevant to the global economy as China is.
beer 30
Footballguy
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
I don't get the sense that Japanese and Chinese cultures are the same, so expecting the same result might be misguided.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Works great when there are 1.4 BILLION customers in China...
I don't have an issue buying Chinese stuff because it's Chinese stuff...I have an issue having to wade through 20 crap quality items to find one good one. That's why I'm getting sick of the Chinese stuff. it's not what that it's Chinese, (or non-USA), it's that it's crap and doesn't do what it's supposed to.
Thorpe
Footballguy
Here is what I don't understand about "Buy America". The jobs that create the majority of Chinese products are terrible, assembly-line, mind-numbing sweat-shop type jobs. Why would you want Americans to do this kind of work? If you are "America First", shouldn't we focus our resources on creating better jobs for Americans, and just buy the cheap stuff from China?
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
And then in addition to the flood of cheap, zero quality crap on sites like Amazon, you also get to wade through all the fake reviews. The fake review economy is massive.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I don't think Amazon is a crap site, but I agree with you that reviews on that site are becoming less and less valuable. Without having weighted reviews for each individual shopper(based on a social network or something) I'm not sure how they can combat that.
There are sites that help you try to weed out the most OBVIOUS fake reviews but even that is kind of an SEO situation. An algorithm is introduced to spot fake reviews. The fake review engines are modified to be undetected by that algorithm. And so on. Spy vs Spy.
The only way to truly fight bad products imo is if the return policy is iron clad. In my experience the return policy at Amazon is at least on par with all other retailers and better than all other online retailers that I have dealt with. If you choose to shop from Chinese drop-shippers you are assuming more risk but that's a choice that you make.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Oh totally agree. AMZN is amazing and their return policy has never failed me. I just meant that there has been a flood of cheap goods with fake reviews especially in the light weight (cheap to ship from China) product categories.
Gustavo Fring
Footballguy
I get knock off products from China.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
So pay more for a name brand that has at least some $$ spent on trying to maintain brand loyalty.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
If I can, I will - but for certain products, it's hard to find quality even if you're willing to pay for it. That's my point - the market for certain products has become so overrun with cheap Chinese stuff that it takes a lot to even find something of quality to buy.
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Guest
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Yes. I agree. Set up a world forum and vote to buy locally made goods and produce and services. Why not?
It supports local economies, and yes it will take a little time to ignite positively to build local economies, but it will work 100%.
Each country should adopt a self managing economy to the best of their abilities and supply. Then leverage from that gain to attract local enterprise to create new business and opportunities building the economy further.
There's the challenge for someone out there who will initiate and deliver this to a world forum of countries who are keen to prosper in all areas of life.
We like minded individuals and businesses are asking for new change in this direction.
It will build jobs, strengthen optimism and obviously strengthen those countries with democracies with the inertia and the freedom to grow as freely as they want.
Be entrepreneurial. Be inventive
It supports local economies, and yes it will take a little time to ignite positively to build local economies, but it will work 100%.
Each country should adopt a self managing economy to the best of their abilities and supply. Then leverage from that gain to attract local enterprise to create new business and opportunities building the economy further.
There's the challenge for someone out there who will initiate and deliver this to a world forum of countries who are keen to prosper in all areas of life.
We like minded individuals and businesses are asking for new change in this direction.
It will build jobs, strengthen optimism and obviously strengthen those countries with democracies with the inertia and the freedom to grow as freely as they want.
Be entrepreneurial. Be inventive
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Guest
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I'm FED UP buying inferior crap made in china, I purposely didn't capitalize china because they don't deserve it. I've purchased what I thought were quality brand names and sure enough, Made in china, it's poor quality is immediately apparent and low and behold it breaks or has problem more often than not. We American consumers need to STOP BUYING CHINESE CRAP and buy American, we need to start a movement of NOT BUYING CHINESE. We need to get our country back, globalism is killing the American worker, their jobs and our financial prosperity. We will soon be run and owned by foreign investors. If we don't act now and decisively our America is kaput. BUY AMERICAN even if it cost more!!!
Llathrom60
Footballguy
I thought I was buying from USA. The fact that it took a month and a half to get to me, tells me it’s coming from China. The bastards are sneaky. How to I find out BEFORE I buy? I’ve tried everything I know
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