VaTerp
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"In dynasty"- As in I was clearly talking from a FF perspective.
Superbowls and salary are irrelevant to that convo.
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Anyone concerned about AJ Brown (1 Viewer)
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"In dynasty"- As in I was clearly talking from a FF perspective.
Superbowls and salary are irrelevant to that convo.
LawFitz
Footballguy
AJ Brown in a nutshell right here.
rockaction
Footballguy
I read a thing from Fantasy Points last night. They chart how open receivers get on routes run. A. J. was at 0%
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Added context (listening to Ray Garvin):
Dallas played 100% zone last night **EDIT: Deployed zone coverage on all 33 of Jalen Hurts' dropbacks** Supposedly never played more than 80% all of last season.
I won't pretend to know what this means for AJB if Philly sees a lot more of this moving forward, but worth noting.
Dallas played 100% zone last night **EDIT: Deployed zone coverage on all 33 of Jalen Hurts' dropbacks** Supposedly never played more than 80% all of last season.
I won't pretend to know what this means for AJB if Philly sees a lot more of this moving forward, but worth noting.
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I mean, he was clearly open on his catch. It wasn't contested.
They absolutely didn't play 100% zone. Hurts TD run (the scramble not the designed one) was clearly against man. Collinsworth even called it out on the broadcast saying the risk of playing man against the Eagles is having your back to Hurts potentially taking off.
He just looked like a guy who has not fully recovered from his hamstring, from the TV angle every time I saw him he looked like he was running at half speed and just not really opening up and running. I read something a week or so ago about him pushing to be ready for the opener but does not mean he was close to 100% and his role this week seemed like it was mainly to be a decoy.
My concern for him going forward is the hamstring getting fully healthy and staying that way. I'm not really worried about anything else.
My concern for him going forward is the hamstring getting fully healthy and staying that way. I'm not really worried about anything else.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
At least twice I saw Hurts look to him as the 1st read and the DAL pass rush forced him to scramble.
May have happened more, but I definitely saw it twice that it was obvious. One was on the 1st series after the weather interruption.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, it's a rando on Twitter who runs an Eagles website, but he seems to be pretty knowledgeable. He sounds concerned. By the way, I think it was Scott Barrett of Fantasy Points, but there was a fantasy guy breaking down why he hates the Eagles OC already. This guy also seems to hate him. Kellen Moore's departure could mean something greater than most people thought and this early criticism of concepts could be something to watch out for.
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This return route by AJ Brown might be one of the slowest routes I've ever seen. Something isn't right with him. And if that's true, why is he the 1st read in the progression on 3rd and 5? Nothing else is open and Jalen bails the offense out again with another scramble.
Hot Sauce Guy
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One theme in that game was Dallas was very effective in limiting his ability to check down. The pass rush was in his face early and often.
I’m not gonna freak out about 1 game, but between the pass rush and the secondary Dallas did a very good job limiting PHI’s passing - when the 3rd receiver/4th option is getting that much work you have to assume DAL is scheming to limit Smith & AJB.
Maybe the hammy isn’t 100%, but seeing Hurts only have success with Gogurt, Dotson, & the scramble tells me DAL was selling out to contain PHI’s top 2 receivers.
My_Bench_Scores_More
Footballguy
Ummmmmm.... after two weeks, and he's given me a grand total of 3.50 points so far this season....?
Yeah. I'm becoming concerned.
He's one major factor for why I'm probably going to be 0-2 after tomorrow night.
Yeah. I'm becoming concerned.
He's one major factor for why I'm probably going to be 0-2 after tomorrow night.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Eagles only threw 22 times for 100 yards. That's bad math for fantasy wrs. The problem is thats how they prolly wanna win and they are good enough to keep winning that way. Smh
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
He’s probably not. But the new OC has not been impressive with his route concepts.
EBF
Footballguy
Always been a fan, but this thread actually scared me off him in my redraft, so thank you @KellysHeroes.
We know he's a great player when he's healthy. I'm just concerned that whatever is going on with him is a chronic injury thing that could linger.
Eagles have been very proactive about making moves. We don't need to view the Metchie trade as related to Brown, but one interpretation is that it was AJB insurance.
If Brown isn't going to be 100% this season then maybe arrows up for Smith and Goedert, with even more reliance on Saquon.
We know he's a great player when he's healthy. I'm just concerned that whatever is going on with him is a chronic injury thing that could linger.
Eagles have been very proactive about making moves. We don't need to view the Metchie trade as related to Brown, but one interpretation is that it was AJB insurance.
If Brown isn't going to be 100% this season then maybe arrows up for Smith and Goedert, with even more reliance on Saquon.
Hot Sauce Guy
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need2know
Footballguy
I will trade you for him
dkp993
Footballguy
I’ll take a bag of chips and a ham sandwich.*
*not because I’m freaking out, AJB will get his, but just so I don’t have to watch this torture anymore.
need2know
Footballguy
Its tough i see it. But what choice do you have
Maybe Waddle or Pickens at this point
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
sold
Don’t really like position for position. Would love an rb.
My_Bench_Scores_More
Footballguy
How about 2 games? Not sure what the excuse was today.
I'm starting to lose confidence in Brown. Week 1 should have been a one-off fluke. This should have been rebound week.
Flowers might get the start next week. At least he got decent yardage today....
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I didn’t watch it so I won’t comment on it. I work Sundays - sorry to disappoint but I’m not omnipresent. heh
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Footballguy
Username checks out.
My_Bench_Scores_More
Footballguy
The question was purely rhetorical.
My_Bench_Scores_More
Footballguy
Yup! I chose that name last year, and unfortunately it's followed me into this season.
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RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Is he worth buying low? What’s the deal?
dipandglide
Footballguy
It's hard to catch passes when your QB is rarely throwing the ball
Jmiller21kg
Footballguy
I’m surprised they haven’t brought back the split T or wishbone. Maybe at least the tush push will be banned next season.
need2know
Footballguy
Hes looking off i domt blame you
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I wanted to move off him this offseason but wasn't happy with the returns. I figured I'd wait a few games into the year when producing vets have more value. Oops.
I went back and looked at guys scoring this low after 2 weeks last year to see if there was any hope. While there wasn't anyone quite this bad (9.5 total points in PPR), we did have...
Jamarr Chase - WR40, 19.5pts
Courtland Sutton - WR68, 11pts
They finished as WR1 and WR12 the rest of the year, so there is at least some hope. But it's a really rough start.
I went back and looked at guys scoring this low after 2 weeks last year to see if there was any hope. While there wasn't anyone quite this bad (9.5 total points in PPR), we did have...
Jamarr Chase - WR40, 19.5pts
Courtland Sutton - WR68, 11pts
They finished as WR1 and WR12 the rest of the year, so there is at least some hope. But it's a really rough start.
nittanylion
Footballguy
As much as it hurts in the Box Score these pasts 2 weeks, on the Teams where I roster AJB, the builds have been constructed to provide insurance measures, to some degree. Hopefully the production will kick in, down the road.
That being said, I'm not concerned about AJB's current production; my regarding AJB begin and end with the Eagles winning football games, which thankfully, they've done so, early this Season. I can't help but think of him as a ticking time bomb, whose fuse is only as long and smoldering as the Eagles record.
I *hope* winning a ring got into his head in a positive way, and he understands that Team success comes, at times, with personal sacrifice.
If they run into a bad stretch, and he's still putting up these kind of #'s...that's when I'll start to get concerned.
That being said, I'm not concerned about AJB's current production; my regarding AJB begin and end with the Eagles winning football games, which thankfully, they've done so, early this Season. I can't help but think of him as a ticking time bomb, whose fuse is only as long and smoldering as the Eagles record.
I *hope* winning a ring got into his head in a positive way, and he understands that Team success comes, at times, with personal sacrifice.
If they run into a bad stretch, and he's still putting up these kind of #'s...that's when I'll start to get concerned.
Penguin
Footballguy
Really hard to match draft capital on a run first team with Hurts & Barclay.
Rushing #'s only thru 2 games, Hurts & Barclay 225 yds & 5 TD's for 52.5 points
AJ Brown 6/35 for 9.5 points
Add in Hurts passing #'s (not much) and Barclay's receiving #'s and you have...
Hurts 38.35 (19.76 ppg)
Barclay 35.80 (17.90 ppg)
AJ Brown 9.5 (4.75 ppg)
D.Smith 13.9 (6.95 ppg)
D.Goedert 11.4 (One game)
Rushing #'s only thru 2 games, Hurts & Barclay 225 yds & 5 TD's for 52.5 points
AJ Brown 6/35 for 9.5 points
Add in Hurts passing #'s (not much) and Barclay's receiving #'s and you have...
Hurts 38.35 (19.76 ppg)
Barclay 35.80 (17.90 ppg)
AJ Brown 9.5 (4.75 ppg)
D.Smith 13.9 (6.95 ppg)
D.Goedert 11.4 (One game)
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm interested in this. I'm not sure whether or not A.J. Brown understands that sacrifice for the greater good of the team is a good unto itself gets you anything vis a vis your fantasy football league. Do you get points if the Eagles advance further in the playoffs than if they exit early? I'm curious. You've always struck me as playing in decently capitalized money leagues—are you winning your weekly head-to-heads with PFF grades or something? I mean, I do get the general truism that a rising tide lifts all boats, but there are guys that play for garbage teams, like Brian Thomas Jr. on the Jaguars last year, who win championships just by going out and playing hard when they play out the string because everybody on the team knows they'd better leave some good tape for their next contract.
So I don't know. There are certainly builds we can construct, but all other things constant, it seems suboptimal to have a guy who is either hurt, has ceased to run his routes with separation, or is being used as a blocking sled for Saquon Barkley and friends.
I'm curious how him buying into the team is either a precondition for later points or even how it makes getting those points more likely.
I dunno. Is it a marriage of the personal and ethical with the statistical? I was always under the assumption that the kitty you were playing for outweighed some cosmic sense of righteousness, humility, and deference to a shared and human endeavor. I'd always imagined your fantasy footballing was concerned more with the rent.
And to the build piece - is he saying he isn't starting AJ and then the one week he magically starts him he's going to blow up? The guy is unstartable right now. I'm not sure Hurts is going to remember how to throw the ball when he needs to
nittanylion
Footballguy
Hi guys,
Appreciate your inquiries. Let me see if I can explain myself (I'm not always good at that).
I didn't 'target' AJB in any Drafts where I acquired him this year (and I don't have a ton of shares, either). Most of the Leagues I draft in (most heavily, FFPC/FPC), he was ADP-available late 2nd/early 3rd, and I simply wasn't awarded that Draft Position very much by the randomizer this year.
Where I *did* draft him, it was generally because there was a combo of nothing of similar ADP that I liked any better, or didn't feel like pulling anyone I liked, up to that position, who's ADP was much lower ( I really hate doing that).
I don't want to derail the Thread too much, but in terms of Draft Philosophy/Roster Builds, in Leagues that start 2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLX, even in TE Premium, I hesitate to go TE either early or heavy, and rarely do I wind up with 3/3, because during the early stages of a Draft, I decide if a Team is going to be a 'RB Team' or a 'WR Team' , and either go 2/4 or 4/2 , after which I generally continue to pound away at the dominant position, to 1, try to make a position of strength, stronger and 2, try to make my Leaguemates weaker at my position of strength.
Everywhere I took AJB, I had already taken a projected elite WR (Chase, Lamb, JJ for example), because on Teams with early Draft Position where I went RB (Bijan/Gibbs/Barkley/CMC), I did not want AJB to be my 'WR1' - going into Draft Season, I had him pegged as an ideal 2nd WR drafted, behind an Alpha WR, and with a Build commitment to the WR position behind him to 'subsidize' what I felt I knew were going to be some 'dud' games, due to the nature of the Eagles offense. My WR platoon, corps, stable, room, insert synonym here, is purposefully built to work around the up-and-down nature of his recent production.
I have started him these last two weeks, without a second thought, and probably will continue to do so, taking the good with the bad, again, because I knew going in, that his production was going to be unpredictable, and I purposefully built a Roster/Starting Lineup, around that assumption.
Ultimately, I want AJB to be in an positive mindset, which is generally helped by the Eagles winning games, no matter how much he is statistically contributing to those wins. It's my opinion that if he's on the field, getting snap share, the monster games will come, and it's my philosophy to subsidize the duds with the Teams I build around more volatile Players like AJB. I can project an average Team weekly score in a range I'm comfortable with, and benefit from the 'pops' he's capable of contributing, when they occur.
Him being in a negative mindset adds another level of volatility to the equation, which I assume would bring more duds, and perhaps in the form of DNP/Coach's decision, suspensions, what have you. There's a difference between duds and donuts, though. I can manage taking duds while he's on the field, because those generally result in *some* points. I can't when he's taking donuts on my bench.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I’m not worried about AJ Brown.
I would be in full-fledged five alarm panic mode though about Kevin Patullo. OMG these offensive game plans are horrific.
I would be in full-fledged five alarm panic mode though about Kevin Patullo. OMG these offensive game plans are horrific.
rockaction
Footballguy
That really explains it, actually. Yeah, you absolutely don't want a guy feeling uninvolved and going AWOL so that when the time rolls around when they do need him and would begin to use him he's mentally and physically ready and willing to go you-know-what to the wall for his team, and thus, you benefit.
I dig it.
Are you saying that you treat TE in a way similar to how I do? I know that not many people will use the language as cavalierly as I do, but I punt TE. Don't care. I'll find somebody. I am not wasting a high pick on a position that is so completely dependent on the coach and the QB. I won't do it because you might draft a guy like people drafted LaPorta last year only to find out that either he was hurt or the coach just changed his role because—surprise!—he needed him to do something different on the field and wanted to get his first-round receiver in his third year of a contract some looks and maybe a thousand yards so the front office could attempt to re-sign on what seems like a generous deal for the situation.
Or something ridiculous like that. I just can't see having drafted someone at the beginning of the second and having the rug entirely pulled out from under me. Or see Njoku this year with Fannin. We've got a veritable ****-ton of copium being mainlined while the people that wasted a pick in the first five rounds (or whatever the heck his ADP was when you drafted him) on him are just like, "We had Flacco back. We had Stefanski. He's running routes at an 85% clip. What the heck?" and there is David, in the last year of his contract, catching nothing and costing his owners games.
I don't know. I just punt the damn position like I've begun to punt LBs in IDP dynasty. I refuse to waste valuable draft picks and capital on guys that get drafted in the first-round and are subsequently either viewed as useless by their coaches because they can't cover anybody or they're just not very good because it's such a cerebral position and the coaches aren't giving these guys tests that measure their cognitive ability and processing. They're still groping at light switches in the dark.
Anwyay, thanks for your answer and thanks for entertaining my long response.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I'm officially Benching in favor of Quentin Johnson, better match ups and more targets; just sad
My_Bench_Scores_More
Footballguy
I'm benching him this week and starting Flowers or McLaurin.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Are we still concerned?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
How’d that work out for yall?
Insein
Footballguy
Turns out all they needed to do was throw him the ball.Are we still concerned?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Holy **** it was that easy!Turns out all they needed to do was throw him the ball.Are we still concerned?
I was a little surprised to learn he still had both arms and both legs attached to his body after the speculation in here.
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