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Anyone else Impressed with.... Vincent Jackson (1 Viewer)

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I know; he was a total waste during the season... but since LT and Gates has been nipped; VJax has been on fire... him and Rivers have finally clicked. I know Chambers is getting most of the attention of CB1s; but still... VJax is making some nice grabs out there. He might make a decent buy low over the off-season. Or, if your an owner who wants to dump him... this might be a prime off-season to do it.

 
Or, if your an owner who wants to dump him... this might be a prime off-season to do it.
This will probably be mine. Even without Chambers there he was a 3rd-4th option and not getting too many looks. I will be looking to send him in a package to move up in this years rookie draft.
 
I know; he was a total waste during the season... but since LT and Gates has been nipped; VJax has been on fire... him and Rivers have finally clicked. I know Chambers is getting most of the attention of CB1s; but still... VJax is making some nice grabs out there. He might make a decent buy low over the off-season. Or, if your an owner who wants to dump him... this might be a prime off-season to do it.
He has impressed me and he's made a number of big catch's. He is a big reason they won the 1st and 2nd playoff games. I don't think his fantasy value has changed very much though. With a healthy Gates, he's still option #4 in the passing game.
 
Yes, for the first time I'm finally impressed with Jackson.

Next year I'll be looking to try and get him at some point in the draft. I liked how high he could get up and his size.

There's no doubt he's the best WR on that team which includes Chambers. Rivers also impressed me a little bit while he was in the game yesterday. It's hard to fall in love with a QB that plays with Lt2 and a WR that plays with Gates but I suspect improvements in numbes from both Rivers and Jackson next season.

 
I know; he was a total waste during the season... but since LT and Gates has been nipped; VJax has been on fire... him and Rivers have finally clicked. I know Chambers is getting most of the attention of CB1s; but still... VJax is making some nice grabs out there. He might make a decent buy low over the off-season. Or, if your an owner who wants to dump him... this might be a prime off-season to do it.
I drafted him in my dynasty league a few yrs ago, but traded him fairly quickly when it was clear that after LT and Gates, the WR numbers wouldn't be there. However, I have really been impressed with him the last few games. He's shown flashes of good play before, but now he's starting to be consistent. He's got great size and speed; nice to see him putting it together.
 
Yes, for the first time I'm finally impressed with Jackson.Next year I'll be looking to try and get him at some point in the draft. I liked how high he could get up and his size.There's no doubt he's the best WR on that team which includes Chambers. Rivers also impressed me a little bit while he was in the game yesterday. It's hard to fall in love with a QB that plays with Lt2 and a WR that plays with Gates but I suspect improvements in numbes from both Rivers and Jackson next season.
He's not better than Chambers
 
Contract Information for Chris Chambers

9/5/2004: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract extension through 2009. The deal included a $12 million signing bonus. 2008: $5.1 million, 2009: $4.55 million, 2010: Free Agent

Chambers has been a nice addition to SD... but there is no way they are going to fork out 10 mil in 2 yrs for him. Thats more than Gates makes... CC will need to resign w/ a pay cut (something I see him being interested in) or SD lets him go and gives VJax the WR1 role after his strong performances and Buster D the WR2.... again.

 
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Yes, for the first time I'm finally impressed with Jackson.

Next year I'll be looking to try and get him at some point in the draft. I liked how high he could get up and his size.

There's no doubt he's the best WR on that team which includes Chambers. Rivers also impressed me a little bit while he was in the game yesterday. It's hard to fall in love with a QB that plays with Lt2 and a WR that plays with Gates but I suspect improvements in numbes from both Rivers and Jackson next season.
He's not better than Chambers
I see them as very equal...
 
He's got great size and speed; nice to see him putting it together.
not sure if it's where rivers was throwing the ball or not but the last several games he has played like the 6' 5" that he is. with the ball in the right place i would think he would be nearly unstoppable in the red zone.
 
I was targeting V. Jackson in pre-season after a couple of nice TD grabs. As we all know he went missing during the regular season and was probably dropped by whoever drafted him.. It looks like he did a complete 360.

He has great size and strengh. He looks like LB on the field. So yes I am impressed with him

 
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I don't think anyone every confused VJax for a #1 WR...seems like he's an excellent #2.

With Eric Parker coming back next year and Buster Davis avail (and of course, LT, Gates), it's pretty crowded there.

In the playoffs, most teams are good enough to completely take the best players out of the game, so a team's depth is critical. I think Plax/RMoss were all but absent this weekend and Toomer/other NE WRs had to step up for those teams...and they won. So, Gates and Chambers are silenced, and VJax comes up big. (For JAX their run game was stuffed a bit...if ANY of their WRs had really showed up, they might have had a chance against NE).

 
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I don't think anyone every confused VJax for a #1 WR...seems like he's an excellent #2. With Eric Parker coming back next year and Buster Davis avail (and of course, LT, Gates), it's pretty crowded there.
I doubt Parker is even on any team next yr... hes missed too much time in the 3 yrs; and he wasn't even that good. But even with out Parker, The Chargers WRs is crowded if CC is kept... and if VJax was suffering the droppies this season, CC wouldn't have even been brought over. Another item we have to take into account is that the end of LT2 is coming... the big 30 is a yr and a half away; and I think we all can agree that hes slowing down. Hes still one of the best, if not the best... but not nearly as dominant as he was last yr. The off-season will be interesting; if SDC trusts VJax has improved to WR1 status, they will let CC walk.
 
I was targeting V. Jackson in pre-season after a couple of nice TD grabs. As we all know he went missing during the regular season and was probably dropped by whoever drafted him.. It looks like he did a complete 360. He has great size and strengh. He looks like LB on the field. So yes I am impressed with him
This is one of the rare correct uses of "a complete 360" I've ever seen.
 
Yesterday was the first time I really keyed on watching Jackson..he reminds me of a young TO type of WR. They guy looks like a beast.

The problem is in SD offense I doubt he will get the targets and TDs.

 
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I don't think anyone every confused VJax for a #1 WR...seems like he's an excellent #2. With Eric Parker coming back next year and Buster Davis avail (and of course, LT, Gates), it's pretty crowded there.
I doubt Parker is even on any team next yr... hes missed too much time in the 3 yrs; and he wasn't even that good. But even with out Parker, The Chargers WRs is crowded if CC is kept... and if VJax was suffering the droppies this season, CC wouldn't have even been brought over. Another item we have to take into account is that the end of LT2 is coming... the big 30 is a yr and a half away; and I think we all can agree that hes slowing down. Hes still one of the best, if not the best... but not nearly as dominant as he was last yr. The off-season will be interesting; if SDC trusts VJax has improved to WR1 status, they will let CC walk.
Parker is actually pretty solid. He's like a poor man's Wes Welker.
 
Contract Information for Chris Chambers

9/5/2004: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract extension through 2009. The deal included a $12 million signing bonus. 2008: $5.1 million, 2009: $4.55 million, 2010: Free Agent

Chambers has been a nice addition to SD... but there is no way they are going to fork out 10 mil in 2 yrs for him. Thats more than Gates makes... CC will need to resign w/ a pay cut (something I see him being interested in) or SD lets him go and gives VJax the WR1 role after his strong performances and Buster D the WR2.... again.
Gates is a TE and an underpaid one at that. Where does Chambers salary rank among other #1 wide recievers around the league? There is no way Chambers will be cut. AJ Smith cited the remaining seasons on his contract as one of the reasons why he traded for him.
 
Based on contract value, Chambers was the 5th highest paid WR in th game with a $7.3 million cap hit in 2007. He received a salary of $5.4 million and a $600,000 bonus.

 
Contract Information for Chris Chambers

9/5/2004: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract extension through 2009. The deal included a $12 million signing bonus. 2008: $5.1 million, 2009: $4.55 million, 2010: Free Agent

Chambers has been a nice addition to SD... but there is no way they are going to fork out 10 mil in 2 yrs for him. Thats more than Gates makes... CC will need to resign w/ a pay cut (something I see him being interested in) or SD lets him go and gives VJax the WR1 role after his strong performances and Buster D the WR2.... again.
Gates is a TE and an underpaid one at that. Where does Chambers salary rank among other #1 wide recievers around the league? There is no way Chambers will be cut. AJ Smith cited the remaining seasons on his contract as one of the reasons why he traded for him.
your right... I believe theres a better chance CC stays than goes; but not for 5 Mil. And CC is probably happy enough to be on a successful team that he will be more than willing to take about a 2 Mil cut. However, there is also a chance that management says "Jackson stepped up, Davis improved, we have the best TE in the league; why should we give CC anything.... cut him loose, he'll land on his feet somewhere."

Also, we all know that management can say one... then turn around and do the reverse... happens all the time.

 
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Based on contract value, Chambers was the 5th highest paid WR in th game with a $7.3 million cap hit in 2007. He received a salary of $5.4 million and a $600,000 bonus.
Some of that hit should be going to the Dolphins though. At least thats how it is when I trade all the best players to Chargers in Madden.
 
Vincent Jackson's size could pose a serious problem against the Pats undersized CBs. If they get him one on one against Hobbs or Gay too much, San Diego could exploit that mismatch.

 
Midseason I had pretty much given up hope, but he has come up big in the playoffs. He has TO's size and speed, but he is a better leaper. I only hope he doesn't revert back to his old rock hands ways. I know the Chargers also love him because he's a great blocker.

 
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Contract Information for Chris Chambers

9/5/2004: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract extension through 2009. The deal included a $12 million signing bonus. 2008: $5.1 million, 2009: $4.55 million, 2010: Free Agent

Chambers has been a nice addition to SD... but there is no way they are going to fork out 10 mil in 2 yrs for him. Thats more than Gates makes... CC will need to resign w/ a pay cut (something I see him being interested in) or SD lets him go and gives VJax the WR1 role after his strong performances and Buster D the WR2.... again.
Gates is a TE and an underpaid one at that. Where does Chambers salary rank among other #1 wide recievers around the league? There is no way Chambers will be cut. AJ Smith cited the remaining seasons on his contract as one of the reasons why he traded for him.
your right... I believe theres a better chance CC stays than goes; but not for 5 Mil. And CC is probably happy enough to be on a successful team that he will be more than willing to take about a 2 Mil cut. However, there is also a chance that management says "Jackson stepped up, Davis improved, we have the best TE in the league; why should we give CC anything.... cut him loose, he'll land on his feet somewhere."

Also, we all know that management can say one... then turn around and do the reverse... happens all the time.
$5M is not too much considering there's no bonus to worry about. I'd rather keep him next year and then decide whether to cut/trade him or re-sign him.
 
Contract Information for Chris Chambers

9/5/2004: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract extension through 2009. The deal included a $12 million signing bonus. 2008: $5.1 million, 2009: $4.55 million, 2010: Free Agent

Chambers has been a nice addition to SD... but there is no way they are going to fork out 10 mil in 2 yrs for him. Thats more than Gates makes... CC will need to resign w/ a pay cut (something I see him being interested in) or SD lets him go and gives VJax the WR1 role after his strong performances and Buster D the WR2.... again.
Gates is a TE and an underpaid one at that. Where does Chambers salary rank among other #1 wide recievers around the league? There is no way Chambers will be cut. AJ Smith cited the remaining seasons on his contract as one of the reasons why he traded for him.
your right... I believe theres a better chance CC stays than goes; but not for 5 Mil. And CC is probably happy enough to be on a successful team that he will be more than willing to take about a 2 Mil cut. However, there is also a chance that management says "Jackson stepped up, Davis improved, we have the best TE in the league; why should we give CC anything.... cut him loose, he'll land on his feet somewhere."

Also, we all know that management can say one... then turn around and do the reverse... happens all the time.
$5M is not too much considering there's no bonus to worry about. I'd rather keep him next year and then decide whether to cut/trade him or re-sign him.
I think he'll resign for less. He wasn't worth that much in Miami which is why they traded him. I think he still needs more time to prove he's worth a contract like that, whether he stays with SD or moves on.
 
I think a big part of the turnaround for Jackson, Rivers and Chambers here in the second half of the season is that the offense in general has finally internalized what Norv has been trying to do with it this year. He's definitely shifted the emphasis from short routes and quick hitters which Cameron utilized so effectively the last three years to a much deeper passing game, and I think it's taken this long for everyone to get accustomed to it.

Jackson is now also catching just about everything they throw at him, where before he would have bouts of the dropsies.

I think he and the offense have turned a page here, and I'd expect them to continue to be a good passing team going forward. People probably paid too much for him this year, so for FF I'd consider him a buy/acquire cheap if possible, but probably not a hold if you paid preseason ADP value for him.

 
I think a big part of the turnaround for Jackson, Rivers and Chambers here in the second half of the season is that the offense in general has finally internalized what Norv has been trying to do with it this year. He's definitely shifted the emphasis from short routes and quick hitters which Cameron utilized so effectively the last three years to a much deeper passing game, and I think it's taken this long for everyone to get accustomed to it.Jackson is now also catching just about everything they throw at him, where before he would have bouts of the dropsies.I think he and the offense have turned a page here, and I'd expect them to continue to be a good passing team going forward. People probably paid too much for him this year, so for FF I'd consider him a buy/acquire cheap if possible, but probably not a hold if you paid preseason ADP value for him.
I paid pretty high... in 2 leagues. Personaly; I'm holding.
 
$5M is not too much considering there's no bonus to worry about. I'd rather keep him next year and then decide whether to cut/trade him or re-sign him.
I disagree; $5M is a ton for CC... LT isn't even making much more than that a yr; I'm sure LT had a large bonus. But Still.... $5M is a lot. And maybe if CC is giving the option to stay for less or walk, he might walk... the market for WRs this yr is very good. I believe the smart move for CC is to resign for a couple extra yrs and less $$$.
 
He has looked good. I actually think Gates might have a year that's not up to his standards numbers-wise in part because of Jackson. (Also, Gates does seem to have injuries that can flare up). Jackson is actually taller than Gates, and can make some of the same type of plays, including those down at the redzone. Rivers and Turner seem to be looking for a more downfield approach with Chambers and Jackson. Chambers will be fully integrated into the attack next year. If Jackson is also ready, it will bite into Gates a little. They still will run the ball which has been the strength of the team, so they are not going to turn into the 99 Rams all the sudden either. Part of Gates big numbers really have come in part because a lack of WR weapons. With Chambers, they have a standard proven WR, and with Jackson, the tall athletic guy.

 
I was targeting V. Jackson in pre-season after a couple of nice TD grabs. As we all know he went missing during the regular season and was probably dropped by whoever drafted him.. It looks like he did a complete 360. He has great size and strengh. He looks like LB on the field. So yes I am impressed with him
This is one of the rare correct uses of "a complete 360" I've ever seen.
:thumbup: :mellow: :lmao: :lmao:
 
I know; he was a total waste during the season... but since LT and Gates has been nipped; VJax has been on fire... him and Rivers have finally clicked. I know Chambers is getting most of the attention of CB1s; but still... VJax is making some nice grabs out there. He might make a decent buy low over the off-season. Or, if your an owner who wants to dump him... this might be a prime off-season to do it.
He has impressed me and he's made a number of big catch's. He is a big reason they won the 1st and 2nd playoff games. I don't think his fantasy value has changed very much though. With a healthy Gates, he's still option #4 in the passing game.
Big catch's? I know there's a huge problem on these boards with wrongfully applied apostrophes (along with the would of/would have conundrum) but this has got to be the best ever.
 
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I have owned VJax in a dynasty TD only league since the beginning of 2006 season and here is my view of him since the beginning:

Start of 2006 season: Nice young player who is a big red zone target and could develop into something pretty good.

End of 2006 season: This guy can catch 8-10 TD's in 2007.

Preseason 2007: I'm not trading him. He will be a top 25 receiver and is even more valuable in the TD-only league

Trade for Chambers: Hopefully this helps take some focus away from VJax and he will get more opportunities

Weeks 10-17: I should've traded this guy when his value was high, what was I thinking?

Last week & this week: This is the VJax I expected from the beginning. They have to throw to him more next year right?

So, here is where I stand. I really like Jackson a lot, but I think I'm gonna try to move him this offseason. Especially with my league format I'm really going to push the "big red zone target" angle and hope somebody in the league was really focused on what he's done in the playoffs. Honestly, I'm happy he at least has value now. I'll most likely be looking to target someone in the Bowe, Jennings, Holmes, Gonzalez area of a young receiver. I don't expect anyone to take a 1 for 1, but Jackson is no longer considered just a throw in. If I can't get what I'm looking for, I'll hold and hope he doesn't flame out again. Maybe someone would be willing to give up a draft pick for him, we'll see.

 
How is this any different than what happened at the end of last year? Now Chambers has been added to the equation.

 
Yes, for the first time I'm finally impressed with Jackson.Next year I'll be looking to try and get him at some point in the draft. I liked how high he could get up and his size.There's no doubt he's the best WR on that team which includes Chambers. Rivers also impressed me a little bit while he was in the game yesterday. It's hard to fall in love with a QB that plays with Lt2 and a WR that plays with Gates but I suspect improvements in numbes from both Rivers and Jackson next season.
He's not better than Chambers
You're certainly welcome to believe that. I happen to think Chambers is one of the most overrated Wr's in the last 5 years.
 
How is this any different than what happened at the end of last year? Now Chambers has been added to the equation.
I'm not ready to put him in the top 20....but I think from what I've seen Philip Rivers is getting better as a passing quarterback and I also don't think every receiver that comes into the league is going to be a star right out of the gate.Sometimes we see a Moss or even a Colston who come out and impress their rookie season but there's also some receivers that seem to come into their own after 3 and 4 years.I'd be willing to project Jackson around the 35 to 40th WR. If someone's gung ho on him and want to snag him early, more power to them but I think he and the passing game are coming along nwo that Marty ball isn't there and the teams had more time to gel with a new coaching staff.Next year should be better than this year with a year under the new staffs belt.
 
Didn't we go through this last year?
Possibly, are young players not supposed to improve? Are there not new posters who may not have been here last year to debate it? Both Jackson and Rivers are coming into their own, I think it's a legitimate claim to think they'll improve.Now, if you don't think he'll improve from what he's doing now, that's OK too but telling me that we did it last year doesn't do the job.
 
Yes, Vjax has impressed. He seems to have finally found his "hands" and also quit jumping for every single pass.

Next regular season though I expect A modest increase in FFL production. expect this next regular season, Chambers and VJax will impact Gates numbers in a negative way, it kind of already happened down the stretch this past year. But Vjax is still 4th in he pecking order of offensive options

 
Yes, for the first time I'm finally impressed with Jackson.Next year I'll be looking to try and get him at some point in the draft. I liked how high he could get up and his size.There's no doubt he's the best WR on that team which includes Chambers. Rivers also impressed me a little bit while he was in the game yesterday. It's hard to fall in love with a QB that plays with Lt2 and a WR that plays with Gates but I suspect improvements in numbes from both Rivers and Jackson next season.
He's not better than Chambers
You're certainly welcome to believe that. I happen to think Chambers is one of the most overrated Wr's in the last 5 years.
I thought Chambers was overrated when he was in Miami, and I didn't expect him to play as well as he has for SD. But he's played really well. I know "better than Vincent Jackson" isn't necessarily saying much, but he's played better than Vincent Jackson for sure.Whether he can keep it up remains to be seen. But Chambers has been clutch.Same with VJ. His recent success isn't a huge surprise since the potential has always been there. Now we have to see if he can keep it up.Craig Davis should also get more playing time next year. I don't know if any of those guys will have much fantasy value. But as NFL receivers they may not be a bad trio. (Eric Parker and Legedu Nanee provide nice depth, too.)
 
call me crazy but i honestly and im not saying this to be the guy that tries to get different.. i really think vjax is more of a #1 then chambers... and in time will be a better player... chambers has decent speed.. not a "burner" in particular... great hands... and average size.. i believe the dolphins knew he wasn't a number 1... when in all honesty he is not a #1 receiver. Chambers is a very strong #2.. he's not built for a #1 role... jackson on the other hand with some easy development has all the physical gifts to become a solid #1.. he has decent speed... very good hands and his physical ability is unmatched on that team... i don't know if anybody followed him... but his knowledge of the game at such an early age is uncanny. Not only that... his vertical leap matched with his physical gifts could eventually cause a huge problem for undersized CB's... he's very tall and is very coordinated for his size... given him another season or 2.. i can really see this guy emerge as the #1 in SD.. chambers isn't a bum.. but he's nothing special either... id take wes welker over him anyday of the week.

 
I was targeting V. Jackson in pre-season after a couple of nice TD grabs. As we all know he went missing during the regular season and was probably dropped by whoever drafted him.. It looks like he did a complete 360.

He has great size and strengh. He looks like LB on the field. So yes I am impressed with him
:D
 
Yes, for the first time I'm finally impressed with Jackson.Next year I'll be looking to try and get him at some point in the draft. I liked how high he could get up and his size.There's no doubt he's the best WR on that team which includes Chambers. Rivers also impressed me a little bit while he was in the game yesterday. It's hard to fall in love with a QB that plays with Lt2 and a WR that plays with Gates but I suspect improvements in numbes from both Rivers and Jackson next season.
He's not better than Chambers
Chambers big play ability is limited by Rivers noodle arm. He can barely throw the ball 40 yards in the air. Jackson is his equal on this team. I like Jackson except he is at best the #3 option on the team behind Tomlinson and Gates for scoring TD's.
 
Has he even played in the preseason? He's nowhere to be found in boxscores for the first two games.

Is the hammy that bad?

 
Love to see a healthy Chambers-Jackson discussion emerge from Charger homers here. How will the targets be distributed and overall value of the Charger passing game.

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