Anyone else notice the injury discrepency? (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

Here we are just opening OTAs and, like every year seemingly, we have torn ACLs and broken bones and bad backs, etc.

Remember last year when there was no organized activity and players were working out on their own? How many injuries occurred then? I don't remember one single injury?

Isn't that odd? I guess it could mean that guys weren't really working out as hard (or that maybe teams work guys out TOO hard..or 100 things in between) but, overall, during the lockout last year it seems like we didn't have any season-ending injuries; just lots of hamstrings.

So maybe it would be wiser to let these guys do less instead of more. The product didn't seem diminished ont he field and it seems the less these guys are out there in camps with 80 other guys, the less big time injuries there are.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I don't see what you are talking about. When sanctioned OTA's started last year, there were a number of injuries like M. Leshoure and a few others. Team drills are much more demanding than personal workouts. That's not surprising. Don't see what the big deal is? They need to work hard now to get them into shape to prepare them for the pounding of the regular season. I hope you don't advocate a softer, gentler OTA.

 

[CapnJB]

In 2010 the Adjusted games lost (starters out) for the NFL was a combined 1627.6. In 2011 it jumped to 1918.7.

 

[Shutout]

I don't see what you are talking about. When sanctioned OTA's started last year, there were a number of injuries like M. Leshoure and a few others. Team drills are much more demanding than personal workouts. That's not surprising. Don't see what the big deal is? They need to work hard now to get them into shape to prepare them for the pounding of the regular season. I hope you don't advocate a softer, gentler OTA.

No, I mean when the lockout was in effect, and the players were just getting together and working out by themselves to stay in shape as they said, you had guys meeting in parks and high school fields, etc, and I can't remember one instance where a guy hurt himself. But as soon as they get on the nice NFL fields under the NFL programs, they are popping up lame here and there. How is I can round up 40 buddies and walk myself through the stuff I know we would be doing if we were allowed onto the NFL practice fields and training rooms and no one gets hurt, but put me in the state of the art facility with 50 coaches, trainers, med guys, and I get hurt?

 

[Shutout]

In 2010 the Adjusted games lost (starters out) for the NFL was a combined 1627.6. In 2011 it jumped to 1918.7.

Is there a way to see how many of those injuries were hamstrings and minor, non-season ending injuries?What I'm talking about is not the sheer number but the degree. It seems like as soon as camp opens every year, you see all these really bad injuries. But last year, when the guys were getting together to stay in shape, there were no ACLs, achilles, torn pecs, etc when they were doing it themselves. There were TONS of hamstrings and twisted ankles once lockout ended and that makes sense to me because of overall conditioning. But it didn't seem like there were the same degree of injuries when they were by themselves vs. under controlled environment with trainers, coaches, etc.

 

[cstu]

These guys are being pushed much harder at OTA's than during the personal workouts. Take A.J. Jenkins - he was in pretty good shape (good enough to run a 4.39) but got winded halfway through his first OTA.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I don't see what you are talking about. When sanctioned OTA's started last year, there were a number of injuries like M. Leshoure and a few others. Team drills are much more demanding than personal workouts. That's not surprising. Don't see what the big deal is? They need to work hard now to get them into shape to prepare them for the pounding of the regular season. I hope you don't advocate a softer, gentler OTA.

No, I mean when the lockout was in effect, and the players were just getting together and working out by themselves to stay in shape as they said, you had guys meeting in parks and high school fields, etc, and I can't remember one instance where a guy hurt himself. But as soon as they get on the nice NFL fields under the NFL programs, they are popping up lame here and there. How is I can round up 40 buddies and walk myself through the stuff I know we would be doing if we were allowed onto the NFL practice fields and training rooms and no one gets hurt, but put me in the state of the art facility with 50 coaches, trainers, med guys, and I get hurt?

It's called competition.

 

[Eminence]

I don't see what you are talking about. When sanctioned OTA's started last year, there were a number of injuries like M. Leshoure and a few others. Team drills are much more demanding than personal workouts. That's not surprising. Don't see what the big deal is? They need to work hard now to get them into shape to prepare them for the pounding of the regular season. I hope you don't advocate a softer, gentler OTA.

No, I mean when the lockout was in effect, and the players were just getting together and working out by themselves to stay in shape as they said, you had guys meeting in parks and high school fields, etc, and I can't remember one instance where a guy hurt himself. But as soon as they get on the nice NFL fields under the NFL programs, they are popping up lame here and there. How is I can round up 40 buddies and walk myself through the stuff I know we would be doing if we were allowed onto the NFL practice fields and training rooms and no one gets hurt, but put me in the state of the art facility with 50 coaches, trainers, med guys, and I get hurt?

You guys aren't working nearly as intense. Bigger muscles, more refined techniques.I'd like to see you and your buddies trying real full sprint route running and see who doesn't tweak an ankle or such at some point.A lot of force needs to go very specific ways and can go horribly wrong in an instant. Every ACL tear I've seen in sports has been off the players planting or landing on their foot awkwardly.You wouldn't have guessed the guy just tore his ACL before he drops to the ground.

 

[Shutout]

I don't see what you are talking about. When sanctioned OTA's started last year, there were a number of injuries like M. Leshoure and a few others. Team drills are much more demanding than personal workouts. That's not surprising. Don't see what the big deal is? They need to work hard now to get them into shape to prepare them for the pounding of the regular season. I hope you don't advocate a softer, gentler OTA.

No, I mean when the lockout was in effect, and the players were just getting together and working out by themselves to stay in shape as they said, you had guys meeting in parks and high school fields, etc, and I can't remember one instance where a guy hurt himself. But as soon as they get on the nice NFL fields under the NFL programs, they are popping up lame here and there. How is I can round up 40 buddies and walk myself through the stuff I know we would be doing if we were allowed onto the NFL practice fields and training rooms and no one gets hurt, but put me in the state of the art facility with 50 coaches, trainers, med guys, and I get hurt?

You guys aren't working nearly as intense. Bigger muscles, more refined techniques.I'd like to see you and your buddies trying real full sprint route running and see who doesn't tweak an ankle or such at some point.A lot of force needs to go very specific ways and can go horribly wrong in an instant. Every ACL tear I've seen in sports has been off the players planting or landing on their foot awkwardly.You wouldn't have guessed the guy just tore his ACL before he drops to the ground.

Yeah, I know its almost a given that these guys aren't being drilled and grilled as hard when they are on their own. It just got me to thinking about the risk/payoff or if maybe there is something that can be reduced or taken out of the organized camps that would lessen the likelihood of injuries. To go from no reported injuries to seemingly several in every camp is a big difference.I guess there's not a lot to be done though without people thinking they are being to easy on them or aren't training them properly. But it is interestignt hat it is a piece that was bargained in the agreement.

 

[Mark Wimer]

I think part of the perception that there are more injuries in 2012 OTAs than last year is that last year, we had no preseason. So there just weren't as many opportunities for injuries to occur until training camp. Also, because the preseason was compressed into just one month during 2011, there was a lot more contractual items being reported, etc, while the 2011 training camps were going on, so there was more "noise" obscuring the injury news.

Now, we're back to a more normal preseason/OTA schedule, creating both A). more injury opportunities due to OTA's/minicamps and B). a more normal news environment where the injury news stands out more prominently. My .