Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
Just wondering why most leagues haven't abandoned kickers in their formats. Its got to be the least interesting part of fantasy football. Anyone scrap kickers in their leagues?
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Anyone else think that kickers in fantasy is stupid? (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
I targeted Gostkowski, Folk and Crosby coming into this past season. Looks like you went for Jeff Wilkins or Olindo Mare. 
dgreen
Footballguy
YOU ARE SO LUCKY!
kevjones22
Footballguy
dump the kickers
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
Usually if you're playing for big money, and you have a league primarily composed of newbies or idiots with 1 or 2 knowledgable and experienced fantasy owners, the more kickers the merrier would be the majority rule and desirable!
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
Or a dome kicker as plan b.Possibly carry a 2nd kicker for the bye week coverage.Thats pretty much it. End of discussion. So why bother at all if its that lame? After you decide in a re-draft league whether to go after a top 2 or 3 kicker on a "reach" in the draft by selecting 1 or 2 rounds earlier than the rest, or you'll just wait til your final pick to take the 10th-12th best kicker on any rank list (not much separation/difference between any of them really), that is about as strategic as it gets.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Gostkowsky did #### all , Folk was Ok , Crosby was a stealI targeted Gostkowski, Folk and Crosby coming into this past season. Looks like you went for Jeff Wilkins or Olindo Mare.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I`d rather have a kicker than 90% of the TE`s out there
hove
Footballguy
We are trying something right now on MFL in a free playoff league to make it more interesting. The kickers are no longer scored alone, they are now joined with the special teams. So XP, FG, return TDs all score as one group. The Defense gets loses the TD points to the special teams groups. So you draft a Def and a Special Team. You would still base you points in picking a ST on a kicker, but Chicago's ST gets a definite bump with Hester.
We are evaluating this and might change to it next year for the reg season. Just something new. MyFantasyLeague just keeps coming up with great options for scoring so we are trying them....
We are evaluating this and might change to it next year for the reg season. Just something new. MyFantasyLeague just keeps coming up with great options for scoring so we are trying them....
DoubleG
Footballguy
Also not a bad plan to check "long"s stat-wise if your league awards bonuses (i.e. 4 points for 40-49, 5 for 50+, etc.). We have to carry 2 kickers - I usually try to have one that plays in a dome/warm weather for the playoffs, just in case. I also like a kicker on a team that has a good defense - if they're ahead = more field goals (less coming from behind down 3 TDs)In answer to the OP, no, I don't think kickers are stupid. In many games they seal the fate of the opponent - why disinclude them completely from FF?
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Phurfur
Footballguy
One of the 4 leagues I am in is a no kickers league. I like it because it is different but wouldn't want all my leagues to go that route.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Phurfur
Footballguy
I don't think GB was a team that had trouble scoring they would be in the high scoring catagory. Your point is correct, Matt Stover from Baltimore was this type of kicker for years as was Neil Rackers of Arizona a few years ago.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Really?Gostkowsky did #### all , Folk was Ok , Crosby was a stealI targeted Gostkowski, Folk and Crosby coming into this past season. Looks like you went for Jeff Wilkins or Olindo Mare.
They finished 3 of the top 4 in my main league, and Gostkowski's week-to-week consistency as opposed to one or 2 huge games mixed in with a bunch of lousy ones (see Bironas, Rob), made him a very useful contributor to teams where I had him almost every week. Anyway, my point was that it sounds like the OP is pissed because he had crappy kickers who weren't reliable scorers rather than that the position is useless for fantasy purposes.
GregR_2
Footballguy
Rather than talking about why place kickers should be dropped, the conversation should be why leagues don't also add punters.
Much more predictable than kickers. Bad offenses have good ones, good offenses have bad ones. You even have a fair ability to play weekly matchups by choosing punters who play a tough defense and/or have bad weather that week.
Much more predictable than kickers. Bad offenses have good ones, good offenses have bad ones. You even have a fair ability to play weekly matchups by choosing punters who play a tough defense and/or have bad weather that week.
Rockchild
Footballguy
Kickers can seem like an afterthought but there are ways to make the position more interesting. Like an earlier poster mentioned, you can make different distances of field goals worth more. Also, you can also subtract points for missed XP's and FG's. I'm sure there are all kinds of leagues with interesting rules regarding Kickers.
We do all that. Kicks over 40 yds = bonus points. FGs missed under 30 yds and missed XP's cost you.
I'm not. Definitely what you would call a "frinedly" league designed with the sole intent of evening the field between new and old FF players alike. Kind of sucks to be honest (the league as a whole, not the kicker thing).
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
Sorry Loke, I didn't intend to be attacking you directly (just general statement I was trying to make). Actually one way to really make things interesting could be to have it mandatory to start 2 kickers every week. That would add quite a bit more strategy to the position, leverage out the luck factor a little, enhance trading that involves kickers, the draft (for redraft leagues) would be more interesting, you'd have to pick up another kicker for bye week (mandatory start-2) so roster management becomes more interesting. I know its a complete 180 from my "eliminate kickers" concept, but if you want to keep them in this could make it more interesting and more strategic for owners.
FUBAR
Footballguy
For the "interesting" argument,
maybe, but it's part of the game.For the "luck" argument, how is a FG any more lucky than a TD?
LionsFan78
Footballguy
We've had the PK position in a league I commish for years, and it's never came up for removal. Which is surprising to me, because every year someone brings some detail up for debate/voting, usually because he feels it cost him a game or two in-season. Which annoys me, because lately it's been the same 1 or 2 guys who lose consistently, and feel it's the fault of the league and not their own. This year for example one guy wants a non-TE mandatory league, which would be fine, but I know his reasons are because his were horrible this year. Didn't hear him complaining last year as a Gates owner, or any previous year for that matter.
Anyways, I am surprised no one's brought this up in my league. I could go either way, I've really never had a problem with it. Of course I've been extremely lucky the past two years with my draft strategy by neglecting the position in the draft and picking up solid kickers after the draft.
Someone above said it best, luck or not, it adds another offensive position to the format and gives you another reason to follow a player/team.
Anyways, I am surprised no one's brought this up in my league. I could go either way, I've really never had a problem with it. Of course I've been extremely lucky the past two years with my draft strategy by neglecting the position in the draft and picking up solid kickers after the draft.
Someone above said it best, luck or not, it adds another offensive position to the format and gives you another reason to follow a player/team.
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Oh, don't misunderstand me dude, I didn't take that as an attack at all! I was just poiting out my league is anything but big money or sharks. And so it is designed around rules to "even the field."
burd
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
i'd be perfectly fine with getting rid of kickers.
i'd assume most people wouldn't want to b/c it would seem weird without them and they don't make much difference (which would be a reason to get rid of them too).
i'd assume most people wouldn't want to b/c it would seem weird without them and they don't make much difference (which would be a reason to get rid of them too).
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
nice one... the trick is too not even draft one. Wait and grab an FA.
Paddy O'Seanessy
Footballguy
I came to that conclusion this year.In "standard" scoring they are less offensive because they are less significant. But in decent scoring systems their presence is annoying. They clutter up the draft and make games MORE unpredictable.
I did in one in exchange I add another rb/wr slot
Paddy O'Seanessy
Footballguy
...and we all thank you for attacking the messenger. An invaluable contribution to the discussion.Really?They finished 3 of the top 4 in my main league, and Gostkowski's week-to-week consistency as opposed to one or 2 huge games mixed in with a bunch of lousy ones (see Bironas, Rob), made him a very useful contributor to teams where I had him almost every week. Anyway, my point was that it sounds like the OP is pissed because he had crappy kickers who weren't reliable scorers rather than that the position is useless for fantasy purposes.
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
I used this strategy for many years in the redraft league I participated in (since quit). Add another RB or WR in the preseason draft to leverage your odds of landing a "diamond in the rough"...then a day or so prior to 1st NFL game, cut a bum off your roster (someone who didn't pan out in preseason) and pickup a mid-tier kicker (because in my 1pt per extra pt 3 pts for FG) they're scoring tiers are extremely close so between the 5th best kicker or 15th best kicker...you've basically got the same points). Then I cut my kicker on bye week and pickup another mid-tier free agent kicker for remainder of season. That way I never wasted more than 1 roster space for the useless position.
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
Thanks Paddy! You did a much better job of wording all of the points I've been trying to make all along in a 2 sentence summary.
