Anyone going WR/WR in rounds 1&2? (2 Viewers)

[Ojaays]

Anyone have advice on how to get the DD to rank better for this strategy? Seems like its always favoring RBs.

Change the scoring parameters so the WRs score just a little more than RBs and play with it, tweak it , until you get a cheat sheet that looks more like your league drafts.

 

[ebsteelers]

Did my draft yesterday and got Dez/AJ at the 11th pick. Then got Spiller and Gronk at the next turn. Competitive league too. All the good RBs were picked clean by the 3rd round pretty much though, so be careful if trying this strat.

I was wondering how your whole draft went. I was doing so mocks with the draft dominator and fantasy pros and when I asked FBG to rate my team they always came out at 75 percent chance of making the playoffs with great management. I am used to 90 percent. I am very concerned about drafting at the 11th spot this year. I have tried to mock wr/wr at 11 & 14 but my teams just look bad. So how did your draft finish out?

Here you go.

11 Dez Bryant, Dal WR
14 A.J. Green, Cin WR
35 C.J. Spiller, Buf RB
38 Rob Gronkowski, NE TE
59 Joique Bell, Det RB
62 Lamar Miller, Mia RB
83 Fred Jackson, Buf RB
86 Colin Kaepernick, SF QB
107 Tony Romo, Dal QB
110 Brandin Cooks, NO WR
131 Andre Williams, NYG RB
134 Anquan Boldin, SF WR
155 Antonio Gates, SD TE
158 Brian Hartline, Mia WR
179 Steelers D/ST D/ST
182 Doug Baldwin, Sea WR
203 Robbie Gould, Chi K

nice draft..

i think people keep forgetting an rb always comes out of the weeds every year.

True, but it's not a winning strategy banking on being the guy who guesses correctly who it will be. Abandoning RB early in the draft is only a viable strategy if you have reason to be confident you can get good value at the position later on.

I'm not confident about those chances this year given the way I'm seeing most drafts fall, especially in the non-PPR leagues I prefer. But others' opinions vary. Time will tell.

I imagine people will win leagues with every draft strategy under the sun, as always.

Did my draft yesterday and got Dez/AJ at the 11th pick. Then got Spiller and Gronk at the next turn. Competitive league too. All the good RBs were picked clean by the 3rd round pretty much though, so be careful if trying this strat.

I was wondering how your whole draft went. I was doing so mocks with the draft dominator and fantasy pros and when I asked FBG to rate my team they always came out at 75 percent chance of making the playoffs with great management. I am used to 90 percent. I am very concerned about drafting at the 11th spot this year. I have tried to mock wr/wr at 11 & 14 but my teams just look bad. So how did your draft finish out?

Here you go.

11 Dez Bryant, Dal WR
14 A.J. Green, Cin WR
35 C.J. Spiller, Buf RB
38 Rob Gronkowski, NE TE
59 Joique Bell, Det RB
62 Lamar Miller, Mia RB
83 Fred Jackson, Buf RB
86 Colin Kaepernick, SF QB
107 Tony Romo, Dal QB
110 Brandin Cooks, NO WR
131 Andre Williams, NYG RB
134 Anquan Boldin, SF WR
155 Antonio Gates, SD TE
158 Brian Hartline, Mia WR
179 Steelers D/ST D/ST
182 Doug Baldwin, Sea WR
203 Robbie Gould, Chi K

nice draft..

i think people keep forgetting an rb always comes out of the weeds every year.

True, but it's not a winning strategy banking on being the guy who guesses correctly who it will be. Abandoning RB early in the draft is only a viable strategy if you have reason to be confident you can get good value at the position later on.

I'm not confident about those chances this year given the way I'm seeing most drafts fall, especially in the non-PPR leagues I prefer. But others' opinions vary. Time will tell.

I imagine people will win leagues with every draft strategy under the sun, as always.

agreed.. every strategy can/will work for someone.

it can be a big avantage having those wrs and gronk barring everyone being healthy come playoff time.

 

[VaTerp]

Did my draft yesterday and got Dez/AJ at the 11th pick. Then got Spiller and Gronk at the next turn. Competitive league too. All the good RBs were picked clean by the 3rd round pretty much though, so be careful if trying this strat.

I was wondering how your whole draft went. I was doing so mocks with the draft dominator and fantasy pros and when I asked FBG to rate my team they always came out at 75 percent chance of making the playoffs with great management. I am used to 90 percent. I am very concerned about drafting at the 11th spot this year. I have tried to mock wr/wr at 11 & 14 but my teams just look bad. So how did your draft finish out?

Here you go.

11 Dez Bryant, Dal WR
14 A.J. Green, Cin WR
35 C.J. Spiller, Buf RB
38 Rob Gronkowski, NE TE
59 Joique Bell, Det RB
62 Lamar Miller, Mia RB
83 Fred Jackson, Buf RB
86 Colin Kaepernick, SF QB
107 Tony Romo, Dal QB
110 Brandin Cooks, NO WR
131 Andre Williams, NYG RB
134 Anquan Boldin, SF WR
155 Antonio Gates, SD TE
158 Brian Hartline, Mia WR
179 Steelers D/ST D/ST
182 Doug Baldwin, Sea WR
203 Robbie Gould, Chi K

nice draft..

i think people keep forgetting an rb always comes out of the weeds every year.

True, but it's not a winning strategy banking on being the guy who guesses correctly who it will be. Abandoning RB early in the draft is only a viable strategy if you have reason to be confident you can get good value at the position later on.

I'm not confident about those chances this year given the way I'm seeing most drafts fall, especially in the non-PPR leagues I prefer. But others' opinions vary. Time will tell.

I imagine people will win leagues with every draft strategy under the sun, as always.

I wish more people would grasp this. It's entirely about the confidence level you have in the players available when you draft and your confidence level of finding value at the respective positions later in the draft. The same mindset can be applied to taking a QB early, which I know so many here are against but is done successfully every single year.

I've found that taking a guy I'm not really confident in simply b/c they are a RB to be a failing proposition. If you feel much better about D. Thomas or Dez in the late first than you do about Murray or Lynch or whomever then you should take them. Same with Julio in the 2nd over whatever RBs are available at that time if you don't really like those guys. You just have to do your prep work and identify several mid round RBs that you feel good about and want to target.

I find it amusing that people say so adamantly that going WR-WR this year is a "recipe for disaster." EVERY single year there are busts at the top of the draft, most of whom tend to be RBs. So why draft a RB that you don't feel good about simply b/c they play the position?

 

[ponchsox]

2013 ADP for 1st round RB:

1.01 AP

1.02 Martin

1.03 Foster

1.05 Charles

1.06 Rice

1.07 Spiller

I have a feeling 2014 will be similar in terms of bust factor.

 

[Skoo]

Too much depth at WR to go WR-WR imo.

I can understand people want 2 "safe" studs, but my logic is this:

There will likely be a much bigger dropoff from the RB I take in round 1 or 2 to the one I get in round 3 or 4 than the dropoff will be from the WR I take in round 1 or 2 and the one I could get in round 3 or 4.

 

[Freelove]

Here's another thing the depth at WR, QB, etc. vs the depth at RB means to me:

If I pass on RB's entirely the first couple rounds, I almost HAVE to make up that difference with depth at RB in the middle rounds of the draft, or else I'm just drafting on a wing and a prayer and hoping a starter gets injured and I happen to have the right backup.

That can be done, of course, but it takes away any chance I might have to snag those occasional obscene values that trickle through. If I'm into the 4-5-6 rounds with zero or one RB rostered, and a WR I really value like a C. Patterson or a Crabtree slips through the cracks and falls to me in the 6th, I'm faced with the ugly choice of adding even more ludicrous strength to my already strong WR corps, or passing on the last dregs of remotely startable RB applicants.

Given the relative dearth of RB's relative to the other major positions, I feel it's exponentially more likely that the surprise steals that fall in your lap are going to be QB's or WR's than RB's. You're only in position to take advantage of that if you're already comfortable at the scarcest position.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

The drop off at RB is steep, I think it's suicide going WR/WR early, so many great choices at WR throughout the draft.

this.You almost have to go best available RB in rnd 1, then take a WR..I'd rather have J.Edelman and Michael Floyd than Sankey/Tate/J. Stewart/Bradshaw.

WR depth trumps RB depth , more gems to find among the WRs outside of the top 15 than in the RB rankings. so I agree, you cant lose the draft or the season for that matter, on one bad pick, but you can lose it all if you go WR/WR and it backfires..

Meh. I won the championship in my work league last year starting Forte (pick 22, 3rd round), Leveon (10th round) and Stacy (waiver). and the year before starting Richardson (4th round) and Moreno (waiver).

Every roster ends up with soft spots after a draft in competitive leagues. And your going to have to make a few moves. Everyone can make your own choice where you want to take your risks.

 

[Chaka]

In all the mocks I've tried going WR/WR, it's a death sentence

Would you consider the start of D. THomas/A. Brown/R. Bush/R. Mathews/CJ2K a death sentence? (Foles and Witten were round 6 and 7 picks)

Actually I probably would. The way I see it is Mathews is RB1 (he's a good RB2 but not 1), I don't trust Reggie to hold on to the job, and CJ?K is at best a bye week flex option, nothing more. Sure the WR's look good but that is way too many ?'s at RB for my taste and it seems doomed to fail.

I also don't like Foles and think last year was a fluke.

Bush isn't going to lose his job for performance, injury is another matter but Joique will not pass him on the depth chart for any other reason. Bell and Bush should both see 200+ touches this season.

CJ is the lead back on a team that will run the ball 500 times this season. Even if he only gets 55% of the carries and zero catches that still puts him in line for 275 carries. That is far more than a "bye week flex option".

Bush may not lose his job, but Joique will handle the majority of the workload. They are serviceable RB2's with CJ being an exception as a serviceable flex. It's not that I don't like those guys as players, but I just would not feel comfortable at all with that as my lineup. At that ADP and draft spot (5th round for CJ?) I would rather take a guy like Ridley/Miller/Vereen even Ray Rice. All who are going later according to Yahoo ADP.

If you actually started a draft like DT/Antonio/Reggie/Mathews I think the next way to go is TE (Gronk/Julius/Davis/Cameron) or WR depth and flex that out instead of RB and just take fliers at the end.

Barring injury Joique is not getting the majority of the workload, 50-50 split max. With Lombardi's system both of them could catch 70+ balls and have 150+ carries.

CJ is more than serviceable, the Jets will run 500+ times and CJ will get at least half of those carries.

You have not given a reason for why you think either position you have taken on Bush or CJ is reasonable.

I liked Ridley too, then he fumbled again and James White was taking first team reps last week. I am not sure what Miller has done on the field to inspire anyone but Miami is installing a RB favorable system I guess, even if their o-line is a mess. Vereen will be lucky to see 150 touches let alone the 200+ that both Bush and CJ are mortal locks for (again, barring injury). I agree that Rice is undervalued.

 

[Khy]

Another thing some of us seem to be ignoring... if these contact flags keep getting thrown this hardcore? It's going to be open season for WRs, might see a few of these guys post near 2000 yards if the penalties are this harsh in the secondary. Which makes the elite WRs that much more valuable than the RBs. Think about trying to cover Calvin or Antonio Brown if you can't be physical with them downfield? Calvin will straight overpower you and Brown will simply outrun you.

 

[Thunderlips]

The drop off at RB is steep, I think it's suicide going WR/WR early, so many great choices at WR throughout the draft.

this.You almost have to go best available RB in rnd 1, then take a WR..I'd rather have J.Edelman and Michael Floyd than Sankey/Tate/J. Stewart/Bradshaw.

WR depth trumps RB depth , more gems to find among the WRs outside of the top 15 than in the RB rankings. so I agree, you cant lose the draft or the season for that matter, on one bad pick, but you can lose it all if you go WR/WR and it backfires..

To me, there's no real guarantees at the RB outside of ADP, Shady, Jamal Charles and Forte. Lacy's pretty close to that group.....but after that, I don't think there's any RB better than the top level WR's.

You don't think they're gonna run Lynch into the ground on his last contract year and giving him a bit more money?

That's a good point. Lynch has been consistent at a high level.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I think it's better to say I'd be willing to go WR with my first pick. Sure, if I could get Green or Julio with that second pick I'd do it, but I wouldn't just take next best WR to go WR/WR.

I'd call it WR/wait and see, and I'll probably do this in my drafts this year.

Where do you draw the line though? Is it after Julio, Marshall, and then not including Jordy, Alshon, or Brown? If your only willing to go WR-WR given you get two of the top six its less likely you will end up doing so unless your pick 11 or 12.

I see Jordy as in that group and I am trying to talk myslef into Jeffrey as well.

For me, I'd include Julio, Marshall and probably Jeffery. Not Jordy, not Brown. Just my personal preferences.

 

[Ilov80s]

If you are going WR-WR, you shouldn't be doing anything but a combo of the top 6: CJ/DT/Dez/AJ/Marshall/Julio. Depending on where you draft, I think WR/RB/WR is a much better option. You can get DT/Dez/AJ and a top RB like Ball/Bell/Gio and then a Jeffrey/Cobb.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

If you are going WR-WR, you shouldn't be doing anything but a combo of the top 6: CJ/DT/Dez/AJ/Marshall/Julio. Depending on where you draft, I think WR/RB/WR is a much better option. You can get DT/Dez/AJ and a top RB like Ball/Bell/Gio and then a Jeffrey/Cobb.

one draft in the books so far.

Cobb (2.12); Jeffrey (3.04)

next WRs off the board were VJax and Andre at 3.11-12

 

[cvnpoka]

Did my draft yesterday and got Dez/AJ at the 11th pick. Then got Spiller and Gronk at the next turn. Competitive league too. All the good RBs were picked clean by the 3rd round pretty much though, so be careful if trying this strat.

I was wondering how your whole draft went. I was doing so mocks with the draft dominator and fantasy pros and when I asked FBG to rate my team they always came out at 75 percent chance of making the playoffs with great management. I am used to 90 percent. I am very concerned about drafting at the 11th spot this year. I have tried to mock wr/wr at 11 & 14 but my teams just look bad. So how did your draft finish out?

Here you go.

11 Dez Bryant, Dal WR
14 A.J. Green, Cin WR
35 C.J. Spiller, Buf RB
38 Rob Gronkowski, NE TE
59 Joique Bell, Det RB
62 Lamar Miller, Mia RB
83 Fred Jackson, Buf RB
86 Colin Kaepernick, SF QB
107 Tony Romo, Dal QB
110 Brandin Cooks, NO WR
131 Andre Williams, NYG RB
134 Anquan Boldin, SF WR
155 Antonio Gates, SD TE
158 Brian Hartline, Mia WR
179 Steelers D/ST D/ST
182 Doug Baldwin, Sea WR
203 Robbie Gould, Chi K

gd i wish i was in "competitive" leagues where joique goes 59 and gronk 38.

 

[cvnpoka]

i went green and julio from the 11 slot. then i took cameron and fitz over spiller and jennings and doug martin (before the sims news.) then i took kendall wright and gore over mathews and tate and pierre. pierre almooooost got back to me but missed by 1 damn pick and i took woodhead and rg3. proly mad multiple screwups. esp the rg3 pick as fjax, pierce, sjax, mjd were there. and proly shoulda taken martin or spiller over fitz.

its fbg ffc draft with 1.5 te ppr.

rg3

gore, woodhead

green, julio

cameron

flex: fitz, kendall wright

i guess it comes down to if doug martin outscores fitz or if mathews outscores wright.

an unforeseen problem with going hard at wr early and leaving yourself behind the 8 ball for rbs is that later in the draft if talent slips to you, it is hard to snatch it up bc you are forced to go rb. a more balanced approach gives you the freedom to continually make value picks.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

gd i wish i was in "competitive" leagues where joique goes 59 and gronk 38.

What's wrong with either of those? Bell's MFL ADP across all leagues is 74 and I don't think the 5/6 turn is all that big of a reach. Gronk's is 33 in non-PPR leagues and I wouldn't be comfortable taking him much before the end of the 3rd myself, either.

If you are going WR-WR, you shouldn't be doing anything but a combo of the top 6: CJ/DT/Dez/AJ/Marshall/Julio. Depending on where you draft, I think WR/RB/WR is a much better option. You can get DT/Dez/AJ and a top RB like Ball/Bell/Gio and then a Jeffrey/Cobb.

In retrospect, I tend to agree with this thinking. I fully intended to go WR/WR myself out of the 10-spot in a draft this weekend with DT / Dez + AJG, but given that it was standard scoring I couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger on AJG at 2.03 with Beast Mode still sitting there.

Inexplicably, though, Cobb fell all the way back to me at 3.10. So I'd have been kicking myself for taking AJG at 2.03 anyway, because I couldn't have passed up on Cobb and a 3-WR start would have severely limited my flexibility in the middle rounds.

So, by starting off WR/RB/WR I wound up with:

QBBC of Newton / Rivers

Lynch, Spiller

Dez, Cobb, Colston

Cameron

Obviously QB will never be a strength when you wait until the 7/8 turn on them, but otherwise this looks like a pretty solid strategy and one I'll probably be sticking to.

 

[Ilov80s]

gd i wish i was in "competitive" leagues where joique goes 59 and gronk 38.

What's wrong with either of those? Bell's MFL ADP across all leagues is 74 and I don't think the 5/6 turn is all that big of a reach. Gronk's is 33 in non-PPR leagues and I wouldn't be comfortable taking him much before the end of the 3rd myself, either.

If you are going WR-WR, you shouldn't be doing anything but a combo of the top 6: CJ/DT/Dez/AJ/Marshall/Julio. Depending on where you draft, I think WR/RB/WR is a much better option. You can get DT/Dez/AJ and a top RB like Ball/Bell/Gio and then a Jeffrey/Cobb.

In retrospect, I tend to agree with this thinking. I fully intended to go WR/WR myself out of the 10-spot in a draft this weekend with DT / Dez + AJG, but given that it was standard scoring I couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger on AJG at 2.03 with Beast Mode still sitting there.

Inexplicably, though, Cobb fell all the way back to me at 3.10. So I'd have been kicking myself for taking AJG at 2.03 anyway, because I couldn't have passed up on Cobb and a 3-WR start would have severely limited my flexibility in the middle rounds.

So, by starting off WR/RB/WR I wound up with:

QBBC of Newton / Rivers

Lynch, Spiller

Dez, Cobb, Colston

Cameron

Obviously QB will never be a strength when you wait until the 7/8 turn on them, but otherwise this looks like a pretty solid strategy and one I'll probably be sticking to.

Very similar how my draft went. Went DT/Ball/Cobb/White and then just loaded up on RBs.

 

[Cyclones]

I'm in the 7 hole in a 10 teamer and am seriously considering going WR/WR/WR. If Calvin is gone at 7 will probably go Graham/WR/WR.

 

[mjr]

I went WR/WR/WR from the 7 slot in a no-flex, head to head, 14 team work league. Raised a lot of eyebrows doing it. The lineup requires 3 starting WRs, 2 RBs and 1 everywhere else. No playoffs. Best record wins. Total points is the tie-breaker (standard scoring for the most part).

Here's how my roster shook out (planned weekly starters in blue):

QB: N. Foles, S. Bradford

WR: Cal. Johnson, Ant. Brown, Andre Johnson, S. Watkins

RB: R. Bush, S. Vereen, MJD

TE: Kyle Rudolph, T. Eifert

DEF: 49rs, Tenn.

PK: M. Bryant, S. Suisham

It sucks that all of my backs are committee players, but all in all I think I have a contending team here. Unfortunately, it's not a PPR league but we do get a few extra points for RBs who score REC TDs.

 

[rocketsauce]

In PPR I really like this team, and it is definitely a contender. I really don't play standard so I can't say how it should fare there. But those pass-catchers should give you a distinct advantage over your opponent every week.

 

[jagbag]

I think this is the year to upside down draft. Outside the top 3-4 RB the rest seem like potential first round busts with RB in rounds 3-4 producing just as well. I would love a Thomas/Bryant or Calvin/Green combo. Who else is thinking about doing this?

Yes.

And not with a late pick.

Last year with 1.02 I was sooooo tempted to take Calvin, but everybody said that was stupid, I had to take a RB, including when I posted a thread in SP asking that question. I took one of the consensus top-3 picks/RB's (and FFC's 1.02 by ADP) in Doug Martin. I really wish I had gone with my gut and taken Calvin.

So this year I'm saying #### it and taking Calvin even though I drew pick 1.02. And I don't usually like the RB's available around the turn/they don't get any worse waiting till 3.03, so I'm figuring Brown or Nelson at 2.10.

We all know RB's are ridiculously volatile year to year. Last season something like 6 of 10 first round RB's failed to deliver. I'm not taking such a high risk with my top pick (FWIW last year of the top 7 WR's drafted the only one not to finish top 10 was Julio IIRC)

Very interesting. I can pick my spot in a ten team league (spots 1 & 2 are taken) I was thinking picking 8 and getting Dez and another great receiver in rd 2. Your way may be a way to go as there should be a pretty good RB in the early 3rd.

 

[Freelove]

I think this is the year to upside down draft. Outside the top 3-4 RB the rest seem like potential first round busts with RB in rounds 3-4 producing just as well. I would love a Thomas/Bryant or Calvin/Green combo. Who else is thinking about doing this?

Yes.

And not with a late pick.

Last year with 1.02 I was sooooo tempted to take Calvin, but everybody said that was stupid, I had to take a RB, including when I posted a thread in SP asking that question. I took one of the consensus top-3 picks/RB's (and FFC's 1.02 by ADP) in Doug Martin. I really wish I had gone with my gut and taken Calvin.

So this year I'm saying #### it and taking Calvin even though I drew pick 1.02. And I don't usually like the RB's available around the turn/they don't get any worse waiting till 3.03, so I'm figuring Brown or Nelson at 2.10.

We all know RB's are ridiculously volatile year to year. Last season something like 6 of 10 first round RB's failed to deliver. I'm not taking such a high risk with my top pick (FWIW last year of the top 7 WR's drafted the only one not to finish top 10 was Julio IIRC)

Very interesting. I can pick my spot in a ten team league (spots 1 & 2 are taken) I was thinking picking 8 and getting Dez and another great receiver in rd 2. Your way may be a way to go as there should be a pretty good RB in the early 3rd.

Just to chime in, in my experiences doing mocks this summer, ten team leagues still seem to have plenty of depth available at RB to follow almost any draft strategy you want, no matter the scoring system.

Every mention I've made of running into scarcity issues when skipping RB's early has been based upon experiences in 12-team, non-PPR drafts.

 

[hotboyz]

For the record, I like this team...

QBBC of Newton / Rivers

Lynch, Spiller

Dez, Cobb, Colston

Cameron

Much more than this team...

rg3

gore, woodhead

green, julio

cameron

flex: fitz, kendall wright

The Cobb testimony highlights the main concern for me which is going WR/WR really dictates where you go the rest of the draft. Had Mr I. gone WR/WR, it's not a good feeling to take Cobb in the third. If you do, now you're really writing off any value that falls in the middle rounds because you're forced to go RB. I understand the allure of having a Dez/Julio combo, but understand it comes at a cost of optionality later in the draft.

If you already have Dez and Julio are you that concerned with missing out on perceived wr value in the 5th rd?

 

[ebsteelers]

drafted from the 8th spot tonight. point of reference for anyone interested in going wr/wr

FGPC draft started Thomas and Jordy,

ended up with the entire Bills running game and 2/3rds of the saints...

QB Robert Griffin III

RB Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, Khriy Robinson, CJ Spiller, Fred Jackson, Bryce Brown Rashad Jennings , WR Demaryius Thomas, Andre Holmes, Desean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Andrew Hawkins, Anquan Boldin, Marvin Jones, Paul Richardson,

TE Dwayne Allen, Garrett Graham

K Matt Bryant

D St. Louis Defense

potential here, if bush and spiller stay healthy got bush in the 3rd spiller in the 4th

 

[Long Ball Larry]

If you already have Dez and Julio are you that concerned with missing out on perceived wr value in the 5th rd?

Would I rather be glad to draft Harvin if he fell to me than forced to draft Chris Johnson? Yes.

Yeah, in a 10-team redraft, non-PPR last night, I was drafting at the 2 spot. Went McCoy-Marshall-JThomas-Fitzgerald-Gerhart with the first 5 picks.

I thought that I would grab more RBs later, but the WR value was just too good and I ended up with 7 WR and just 4 RB, which is kind of dumb, because we can only start 2 WR + 1 flex, but I couldn't pass it up. Ended up with Marshall/Fitz/Cruz/MiFloyd/Cooks/Hunter/Gordon.

Of course, I never expected Cruz to be there in the 6th, but I could have taken Gio in the 2nd and still had a nice stable of WR.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

If you already have Dez and Julio are you that concerned with missing out on perceived wr value in the 5th rd?

Would I rather be glad to draft Harvin if he fell to me than forced to draft Chris Johnson? Yes.

Yeah, in a 10-team redraft, non-PPR last night, I was drafting at the 2 spot. Went McCoy-Marshall-JThomas-Fitzgerald-Gerhart with the first 5 picks.

I thought that I would grab more RBs later, but the WR value was just too good and I ended up with 7 WR and just 4 RB, which is kind of dumb, because we can only start 2 WR + 1 flex, but I couldn't pass it up. Ended up with Marshall/Fitz/Cruz/MiFloyd/Cooks/Hunter/Gordon.

Of course, I never expected Cruz to be there in the 6th, but I could have taken Gio in the 2nd and still had a nice stable of WR.

I would be on speed dial trying to work a trade with maybe MiFloyd plus Gerhart and upgrade your RB2, might even throw in another WR to juice it up. Gotta find a dance partner.

 

[hoopvillian]

gd i wish i was in "competitive" leagues where joique goes 59 and gronk 38.

What's wrong with either of those? Bell's MFL ADP across all leagues is 74 and I don't think the 5/6 turn is all that big of a reach. Gronk's is 33 in non-PPR leagues and I wouldn't be comfortable taking him much before the end of the 3rd myself, either.

Yup, thanks.

I would had taken Gronk at 35 but I knew the guy picking 12 was a Denver fan and Julius Thomas was ranked higher on the ESPN board so I waited and got Spiller first.

 

[Courtweeks87]

I'm having a very hard time with my draft a we do 1 keeper. I'm facing Charles with my 1st or Mccoy with my 2nd Or d.murray with the 6th round pick. I love getting any of the 3. All the mocks I do keeping Murray and going wr/wr at the end turn of round 1/2 seem weaker than keeping Mccoy or jc and going with one of the top 6 wrs at the 1/2. I am more than happy to scoop up a combo of k.allen, roddy, vjax, or spiller whatever is available of them at 3/4 turn. I think that a wr/rb/wr/wrte is what I will be employing this year. seems my team ends up a lot stronger this way. Just my 2 cents.

 

[SameSongNDance]

For the record, I like this team...

QBBC of Newton / Rivers

Lynch, Spiller

Dez, Cobb, Colston

Cameron

Much more than this team...

rg3

gore, woodhead

green, julio

cameron

flex: fitz, kendall wright

The Cobb testimony highlights the main concern for me which is going WR/WR really dictates where you go the rest of the draft. Had Mr I. gone WR/WR, it's not a good feeling to take Cobb in the third. If you do, now you're really writing off any value that falls in the middle rounds because you're forced to go RB. I understand the allure of having a Dez/Julio combo, but understand it comes at a cost of optionality later in the draft.

I'd likely prefer the team that got two 2nd round picks as well.

 

[Phenomena]

I'm having a very hard time with my draft a we do 1 keeper. I'm facing Charles with my 1st or Mccoy with my 2nd Or d.murray with the 6th round pick. I love getting any of the 3. All the mocks I do keeping Murray and going wr/wr at the end turn of round 1/2 seem weaker than keeping Mccoy or jc and going with one of the top 6 wrs at the 1/2. I am more than happy to scoop up a combo of k.allen, roddy, vjax, or spiller whatever is available of them at 3/4 turn. I think that a wr/rb/wr/wrte is what I will be employing this year. seems my team ends up a lot stronger this way. Just my 2 cents.

Most people make awful decisions with keepers. There's no point in keeping a guy at his value (Charles-1st). You're not gaining much at all, even if he's a top 1st rounder. McCoy with the 2nd is way better, and I would venture that Murray in the 6th is nearly as good or possibly better, if it's PPR. Murray is a consensus (or should be) 2nd rounder in PPR so you're getting four rounds of value and keep your 1st/2nd (which are effectively 2nd/3rd in a normal draft without keeper).

Charles

2nd

3rd

etc.

Mccoy

1st

3rd

etc.

Murray

1st

2nd

etc. (no 6th)

Depending on who is being kept and where you pick I would heavily consider Murray. That's a ton of value for a guy who was a top PPR back last year, an easy run schedule this year, has a top 10 offensive line, and three great receivers taking pressure off stacking the box.

 

[Courtweeks87]

I'm having a very hard time with my draft a we do 1 keeper. I'm facing Charles with my 1st or Mccoy with my 2nd Or d.murray with the 6th round pick. I love getting any of the 3. All the mocks I do keeping Murray and going wr/wr at the end turn of round 1/2 seem weaker than keeping Mccoy or jc and going with one of the top 6 wrs at the 1/2. I am more than happy to scoop up a combo of k.allen, roddy, vjax, or spiller whatever is available of them at 3/4 turn. I think that a wr/rb/wr/wrte is what I will be employing this year. seems my team ends up a lot stronger this way. Just my 2 cents.

Most people make awful decisions with keepers. There's no point in keeping a guy at his value (Charles-1st). You're not gaining much at all, even if he's a top 1st rounder. McCoy with the 2nd is way better, and I would venture that Murray in the 6th is nearly as good or possibly better, if it's PPR. Murray is a consensus (or should be) 2nd rounder in PPR so you're getting four rounds of value and keep your 1st/2nd (which are effectively 2nd/3rd in a normal draft without keeper).

Charles

2nd

3rd

etc.

Mccoy

1st

3rd

etc.

Murray

1st

2nd

etc. (no 6th)

Depending on who is being kept and where you pick I would heavily consider Murray. That's a ton of value for a guy who was a top PPR back last year, an easy run schedule this year, has a top 10 offensive line, and three great receivers taking pressure off stacking the box.

It is ppr. I've never really looked at that from your point of view on the keeper. I usually just try to keep a stud rb. That will give me a lot to think about there thanks!

 

[cvnpoka]

gd i wish i was in "competitive" leagues where joique goes 59 and gronk 38.

What's wrong with either of those? Bell's MFL ADP across all leagues is 74 and I don't think the 5/6 turn is all that big of a reach. Gronk's is 33 in non-PPR leagues and I wouldn't be comfortable taking him much before the end of the 3rd myself, either.

joique is 44 in the fbg ffc leagues. and that is with the tight end premium. he went 27 in my recent draft. bell at 74 is pure lunacy.

according to the fbg ppr adp list, gronk is now at 28.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

gd i wish i was in "competitive" leagues where joique goes 59 and gronk 38.

What's wrong with either of those? Bell's MFL ADP across all leagues is 74 and I don't think the 5/6 turn is all that big of a reach. Gronk's is 33 in non-PPR leagues and I wouldn't be comfortable taking him much before the end of the 3rd myself, either.

joique is 44 in the fbg ffc leagues. and that is with the tight end premium. he went 27 in my recent draft. bell at 74 is pure lunacy.

according to the fbg ppr adp list, gronk is now at 28.

Not to hijack the thread, but at Bell going 27th overall. In PPR leagues at least, he likely isn't even going to be the highest-scoring RB on his own team.

I don't play in the FFCs, but if they're TE-premium scoring than Gronk at 28 makes perfect sense. Otherwise it's too big a risk for the reward IMO.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

For the record, I like this team...

QBBC of Newton / Rivers

Lynch, Spiller

Dez, Cobb, Colston

Cameron

Much more than this team...

rg3

gore, woodhead

green, julio

cameron

flex: fitz, kendall wright

The Cobb testimony highlights the main concern for me which is going WR/WR really dictates where you go the rest of the draft. Had Mr I. gone WR/WR, it's not a good feeling to take Cobb in the third. If you do, now you're really writing off any value that falls in the middle rounds because you're forced to go RB. I understand the allure of having a Dez/Julio combo, but understand it comes at a cost of optionality later in the draft.

I'd likely prefer the team that got two 2nd round picks as well.

Funny you should mention it. A bunch of my draftmates are Eagles fans, and the running joke after the draft was that I had no first-rounders on my roster, but three 2nd-rounders.

I agree with workdog conceptually, though. Every draft winds up offering value after the first two rounds, but it's rare that you'll know where that value will be going in. Filling in any position's starters right out of the chute (whether it's QB early, TE early, RB-RB, or WR-WR-WR) comes at the cost of limiting your ability to take advantage of value at that position later on. Sometimes the reward of the BPA outweighs that marginal risk - sometimes it doesn't.

Especially when in a new league or one with a bunch of new owners, I've always erred on the side of keeping my options as wide open as possible.

 

[cvnpoka]

gd i wish i was in "competitive" leagues where joique goes 59 and gronk 38.

What's wrong with either of those? Bell's MFL ADP across all leagues is 74 and I don't think the 5/6 turn is all that big of a reach. Gronk's is 33 in non-PPR leagues and I wouldn't be comfortable taking him much before the end of the 3rd myself, either.

joique is 44 in the fbg ffc leagues. and that is with the tight end premium. he went 27 in my recent draft. bell at 74 is pure lunacy.

according to the fbg ppr adp list, gronk is now at 28.

Not to hijack the thread, but at Bell going 27th overall. In PPR leagues at least, he likely isn't even going to be the highest-scoring RB on his own team.

I don't play in the FFCs, but if they're TE-premium scoring than Gronk at 28 makes perfect sense. Otherwise it's too big a risk for the reward IMO.

that would make him the 13th or 14th rb off the board. coincidentally, he finished last yr as rb14 in ppr leagues.

and gronk is 28 in ppr leagues according to http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/adp-ppr.php

in the te premium ffc leagues he is going at 15 http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2014fpc_adp.

 

[VikingFrog]

If you can start a TE at flex, does anyone roll the dice and draft Graham and Gronk in rounds 1 and 2 or 1 and 3?

 

[ebsteelers]

If you can start a TE at flex, does anyone roll the dice and draft Graham and Gronk in rounds 1 and 2 or 1 and 3?

I tried it in a cutline 10 team draft. i forget the rest of the picks. could work out nicely if gronk plays well

I was 6th I believe

1. Graham
2. A. Brown
3. Gronk
4. Fitz
5. Some how Foster was here in the 5th
6. Eledman
7. R. Jennings

 

[Slugg]

this past weekend, picking at 5 in a 12 tm ppr, i went WR/WR/TE. i normally go RB heavy but the pieces didnt fall in place.

qbbc: Kaep, Wilson

wr: Calvin, Ant Brown, Harvin

rb: J.Bell, Jennings

te: Gronk

Flex: Lamar Miller

i'm optimistic, but i have the most glaring hole in the league at RB1

 

[rocketsauce]

I'm also guessing you have the most dominant trio of WRs + TE in the league as well. I like it. Looks like you got good value on Jennings or Joique in the 6th. It could've been A LOT uglier at RB.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

If you already have Dez and Julio are you that concerned with missing out on perceived wr value in the 5th rd?

Would I rather be glad to draft Harvin if he fell to me than forced to draft Chris Johnson? Yes.

Yeah, in a 10-team redraft, non-PPR last night, I was drafting at the 2 spot. Went McCoy-Marshall-JThomas-Fitzgerald-Gerhart with the first 5 picks.

I thought that I would grab more RBs later, but the WR value was just too good and I ended up with 7 WR and just 4 RB, which is kind of dumb, because we can only start 2 WR + 1 flex, but I couldn't pass it up. Ended up with Marshall/Fitz/Cruz/MiFloyd/Cooks/Hunter/Gordon.

Of course, I never expected Cruz to be there in the 6th, but I could have taken Gio in the 2nd and still had a nice stable of WR.

I would be on speed dial trying to work a trade with maybe MiFloyd plus Gerhart and upgrade your RB2, might even throw in another WR to juice it up. Gotta find a dance partner.

Yeah, I hear that. The problem is that almost no one has any RB depth and in a 10-team league that only starts 2 WR, it's hard to find a huge need anywhere.

Best bet looks like a team with Murray, Stacy, Matthews, Sankey and Pierce, with Brown, Allen, Terrence Williams, Evans, and Benjamin at WR. Going to shoot for for Floyd for Sankey.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

WR/WR is so juicy in scrub leagues this year. i had #10 in a 10-team money PPR league, did that for the first time ever, and couldn't believe how it turned out. here is my team FOR COMEDIC PURPOSES ONLY:

QB: ryan, wilson

RB: foster, bernard, bush, jennings, gerhart

WR: demaryius, dez, andre, boldin, d.hopkins, james jones (shoulda taken gordon o well~)

TE: gates, ertz

K: walsh, nugent (token buckeye!)

D: jets, bengals

people in this league always vastly overrate QBs & the upper-mid TEs, and draft a full starting lineup before focusing on depth. and yes, you're required to have backups at every position.

all of this said, i would definitely favor RB/WR in my spot if this were an actual good league where i knew i couldn't get anywhere close to that RB depth. but i knew i could and it paid off handsomely imo

 

[hotboyz]

this past weekend, picking at 5 in a 12 tm ppr, i went WR/WR/TE. i normally go RB heavy but the pieces didnt fall in place.

qbbc: Kaep, Wilson

wr: Calvin, Ant Brown, Harvin

rb: J.Bell, Jennings

te: Gronk

Flex: Lamar Miller

i'm optimistic, but i have the most glaring hole in the league at RB1

What does your bench look like?

 

[Slugg]

this past weekend, picking at 5 in a 12 tm ppr, i went WR/WR/TE. i normally go RB heavy but the pieces didnt fall in place.

qbbc: Kaep, Wilson

wr: Calvin, Ant Brown, Harvin

rb: J.Bell, Jennings

te: Gronk

Flex: Lamar Miller

i'm optimistic, but i have the most glaring hole in the league at RB1

What does your bench look like?

Tavon Austin is my only other WR not being used as a starter. the rest is all RB and Gronk insurance

Sproles, McCluster, Knile Davis

Heath Miller

 

[dhockster]

If I am drafting at the end of the first in a RB heavy first round, I like the idea of best WR/Manning duo (if he is still there). While it may be drafting Manning a little higher than his ADP, Why let another team get good value in the middle of the 2nd by taking him? He is such a sure thing at QB and is almost guaranteed to be in the top 3 at QB that I think it is worth taking him there. Also, by taking him early, you may force a little run on QB's from people who want to ensure they get Rodgers/Brees/Brady. This may cause a good WR/RB to fall to the end of the 3rd. As someone said earlier, by not going WR/WR you don't have to go RB/RB at the end of 3rd/start of 4th, you can see who falls at both WR and RB and see what is the best combination to take.

 

[louie68]

In a 10 team Dynasty startup WR went 6 of the first 10 picks. Was a little surprised by this

 

[Ilov80s]

In a 10 team Dynasty startup WR went 6 of the first 10 picks. Was a little surprised by this

The shelf life on WRs is a lot better than RBs. Also, we happened to be at a point in time where the elite NFL WRs are almost all really really young: DT, Dez, AJ, and Julio are all 25-26 years old.

 

[Courtweeks87]

WR/WR is so juicy in scrub leagues this year. i had #10 in a 10-team money PPR league, did that for the first time ever, and couldn't believe how it turned out. here is my team FOR COMEDIC PURPOSES ONLY:

QB: ryan, wilson

RB: foster, bernard, bush, jennings, gerhart

WR: demaryius, dez, andre, boldin, d.hopkins, james jones (shoulda taken gordon o well~)

TE: gates, ertz

K: walsh, nugent (token buckeye!)

D: jets, bengals

people in this league always vastly overrate QBs & the upper-mid TEs, and draft a full starting lineup before focusing on depth. and yes, you're required to have backups at every position.

all of this said, i would definitely favor RB/WR in my spot if this were an actual good league where i knew i couldn't get anywhere close to that RB depth. but i knew i could and it paid off handsomely imo

I'm in a similar league with guys from work. There not to brilliant and severely over baker qbs there will be 3 to 4 gone in the first which kind of worries me. I have been telling myself that I am gonna go wr/wr but I fear when I see some top guys fall to me at the 12th I won't be able to resist myself in taking rbs. I always do that in this league get major value at rb then end up with no qb and not very many decent wrs cause that is what will hey taken by the guppies haha

 

[SproutDaddy]

Did this in my draft today. Had pick #10 in a 12 team PPR.

Dez

Julio

Bell

Stacy

Rice

Foles

Maclin

Cooks

J. Hill

Hopkins

Ingram

L. Green

Chiefs

Wanted a better TE, but all the other teams went TE early for some reason. Was eyeing Ertz, but he went 2 picks before he got to me. There are still some viable options on the WW.......Clay and Miller in particular.

 

[Tau837]

Did it in 10 team 0.5 PPR redraft league today:

1.8 D. Thomas

2.3 A.J. Green

3.8 Gronk

4.3 Cobb

5.8 Mathews

6.3 R. Jennings

7.8 Vereen

8.3 Foles

9.8 Ridley

10.3 Rivers

11.8 Sproles

12.3 Ertz

13.8 Hauschka

14.3 J. Hunter

15.8 Rams DST

I'm very happy with the outcome.

 

[Ebaker5]

Did it today in my 10 team PPR league. Can't complain.

QB: R. Wilson, J. Manziel

WR: D. Bryant, Julio Jones, E.Sanders, D.Bowe

RB: L.Bell, R. Bush, J. Bell, L.Miller

TE: J. Cameron, C. Fleener

PK: S. Hauschka

TD: Steelers, Texans

IDP: L. Kuechly