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Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (1 Viewer)

flapgreen said:
Faust said:
Not even close but can't fault him for supporting his guy
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Nice job Mike... way to tow the line.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bell. That said, lets settle down with the "easy choice" talk. Lacy is the close to even money favorite to be ROY.
Nothing against Lacy, but why is Tomlin automatically wrong? Do I need to remind you of who last year's OROY was? (Hint: Rhymes with "Schmar-blee-kree"). Was it therefore obvious that Griffin was better than Luck or Wilson?

Lacy may turn out to be a better player than Bell. He certainly has been this year. But there are no guarantees in the NFL, especially at RB.

 
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Nice job Mike... way to tow the line.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bell. That said, lets settle down with the "easy choice" talk. Lacy is the close to even money favorite to be ROY.
Nothing against Lacy, but why is Tomlin automatically wrong? Do I need to remind you of who last year's OROY was? (Hint: Rhymes with "Schmar-blee-kree"). Was it therefore obvious that Griffin was better than Luck or Wilson?

Lacy may turn out to be a better player than Bell. He certainly has been this year. But there are no guarantees in the NFL, especially at RB.
i think hes laughing at the fact that tomlin said lacy is the easy choice for roy. Not whos the better player
 
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Nice job Mike... way to tow the line.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bell. That said, lets settle down with the "easy choice" talk. Lacy is the close to even money favorite to be ROY.
Nothing against Lacy, but why is Tomlin automatically wrong? Do I need to remind you of who last year's OROY was? (Hint: Rhymes with "Schmar-blee-kree"). Was it therefore obvious that Griffin was better than Luck or Wilson?Lacy may turn out to be a better player than Bell. He certainly has been this year. But there are no guarantees in the NFL, especially at RB.
i think hes laughing at the fact that tomlin said lacy is the easy choice for roy. Not whos the better player
Huh? He said Bell was the easy choice to draft ahead of Lacy. He wasn't talking about OROY.

 
Is he hurt? My opponent just texted me saying he left the field.

I apologize if he's just being a ##### and making this up.

 
I just keep watching this guy and becoming more and more amazed. Glad I have him in a few leagues but never, ever thought he would be like this.

He is basically everything people thought they were getting with trich. Very valuable dynasty RB.

 
Rotoworld:

Listed as probable for Week 17, Eddie Lacy acknowledged Friday that his ankle sprain "still hurts," and feels "about the same as it has."
Lacy has aggravated the ankle injury in each of Green Bay's last two games, but stayed highly productive in the process. He's going to start against the Bears. "I'll try to get as close to 100 (percent) as possible," said Lacy, who is getting constant treatment and was held out of most of the practice week. Lacy is a boom-or-bust RB1 for Week 17 fantasy purposes.

Source: Ty Dunne on Twitter
 
Rotoworld:

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Monday Eddie Lacy's ankle emerged from Sunday's Week 17 win "much better" than last week.

McCarthy added that he was happy Green Bay will be playing on Sunday rather than Saturday this week to give Lacy one more day to heal up. Lacy is unlikely to practice much, but he'll be starting when the Packers host the 49ers in the Wild Card round. The teams will square off at 4:40PM ET Sunday.


Source: Bill Huber on Twitter
 
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/eddie-lacy-runs-through-his-pain-b99173509z1-237924441.html

Eddie Lacy runs through his painChicago — Nothing stopped running back Eddie Lacy in college football and nothing has stopped him as a rookie in the National Football League.

Lacy has a bad right ankle and foot. It has plagued him for about a month.

It doesn't matter. He keeps playing, and playing effectively.

"Honestly, it's like a mixture of my ankle and the top half of my foot," Lacy said late Sunday after the Green Bay Packers emerged victorious over the Chicago Bears, 33-28, in a winner-takes-division finale at Soldier Field.

"But if I can keep running I'm going to play."

Lacy wasn't himself, gaining just 66 yards in 21 carries against the NFL's worst run defense. On a better wheel, he might have broken his long gain of 17 yards for twice that.

To his teammates, just the sight of Lacy on the field proved inspiring.

"He comes from wearing a boot to going out there and playing," said nose tackle Ryan Pickett. "I think it (ankle) is messed up pretty good, but he don't care, though.

"He's a monster. He's like nobody will stop me from playing. That's his attitude. That dude is something else."

Lacy sat out the fourth quarter last Sunday against Pittsburgh after reinjuring the ankle. The medical staff put him in a boot to promote healing.

The simple fact that he was able to finish Sunday seemed encouraging to Lacy. He'll line up Sunday for his playoff debut against San Francisco.

"Right now I'm just playing and healing and playing," said Lacy. "As long as I can keep running I'm all right."

Before the draft in April, some NFL scouts said Lacy was different. Different, they said, because although he was injured a lot in college he just played anyway.

For the last four years Lacy's coach at Alabama was Nick Saban. Playing in a harsh, militaristic-type program helps him now.

"The NFL is a lot different," Lacy said. "If you can go, you go do it. I've been under Saban for so long I still have the same philosophy but on this level. It definitely helps out a lot.

"I had four years with him. If you can walk, you can play pretty much. People get hurt, you don't lay down, you don't stay out on the field. You get up, you get to the side and get it checked out. If you can still contribute to the team, then go out and play."

Last week, Lacy struggled mentally in the trainer's room.

"I was kind of down on myself," said Lacy. "I didn't think it was getting better. I was like nervous. I didn't know if I was going to be able to play. I just didn't feel right."

He said trainers Pepper Burruss, Bryan Engel and Nate Weir, among others, buoyed his spirits throughout the week.

"They kept pep-talking me and keeping me positive," he said. "It wasn't just treatment. It was the actual words, too."

Has Lacy thought about what his life might be like at 50?

"I don't want to think about that, either," he said. "But I think I'll be all right when I retire."

They say winning dulls the pain.

"It does — temporarily," Lacy said. "For the most part. I'm pretty sure I'll feel it tomorrow or the next day. That's what treatment's for, like I've done the past few weeks."

James Starks, who carried 11 times for 88 yards, alternated with Lacy in a job-sharing arrangement that the rookie appreciated.

"It definitely helps out," said Lacy. "I get to just stand there for a little while and take pressure off it. Just get it to where I feel like I can go in and play."

Lacy finished the season with 284 carries for 1,178 yards, a 4.1 average, and 11 touchdowns. He also caught 35 passes for 257 (7.3).

"Love that kid," tackle David Bakhtiari, a fellow rookie, said. "He's Eddie. He'll fight through things.

"I don't know what's wrong with him, but he's able to suit up and play."
 
James Jones: 49ers will see totally different Eddie Lacy

By Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

Eddie Lacy's underwhelming NFL debut against the 49ers back in Week 1 gave us little indication of what was to come.

Green Bay's rookie running back hardly put a dent in San Francisco's defense, with just 41 yards on 14 carries, but Packers receiver James Jones says the 49ers will see a "totally different" player in Sunday's wild-card showdown.

"It's night and day," Jones said, per the Green Bay Press-Gazette. "Way more comfortable, way more confident. They'll have to account for him. I know by them watching film and seeing what he's done during the season, they know he's not the same player he was Week 1."

That's for sure. Behind Lacy, the Packers have turned out the league's seventh-best ground game, pounding away for 133.5 yards per game. That's a 27-yard improvement over last season.

It also helps to have Aaron Rodgers back. With its starting quarterback in the lineup, Green Bay has averaged 143.8 yards on the ground compared to 123.3 without him.

Back to Lacy: His 11 rushing touchdowns are third-most in the league and his 86.7 yards per game since Week 5 sit behind just LeSean McCoy (94.9) and Jamaal Charles (90.7). He's brought balance to this offense.

As we noted on Thursday's "Around The League Podcast," Lacy's ankle injury appeared to reduce his cutting ability against the Bears last week, but he still grounded out the tough yards for a Packers team that never gave up against Chicago. With another week's rest, expect Lacy to give the 49ers a first-hand look at how "different" he's become.

We previewed all four Wild Card games in the latest "Around The League Podcast."
 
What's his (non-rookie) redraft ADP up to now?
He was the #26 RB off the board on Aug 7th and is now RB #23 (fantasyfootballcalculator.com). His trajectory is going up I am guessing that by this time next week he will be in the mid teens.

The only thing I don't really like about him is that historically Mike McCarthy throws a ton of passes near the goal line and seldom are RBs the intended target.

As an offensive coordinator and head coach (since 2000) only two McCarthy RBs have rushed for double digit TDs (Deuce McCallister had 13 in 2002 and Ryan Grant had 11 in 2009). Ricky Williams ran for 8 in 2000 (+1 receiving), Deuce ran for 8 & 9 TDs in '03 & '04 and Grant had 8 in '07. The other years it was 6, 3, 5, 4, 4, 2 & 2 were the most rushing TDs any back had for McCarthy. Only 6 times did the leading rushing TD back for McCarthy even catch one TD and Deuce is the only one who caught more than one TD (3 in '02).

So while I like Lacy a good deal I think his ceiling is more limited than most presumptive #1 RBs.
That is a strong historical set of facts but it is also decade old info. I think the league has changed enough to change that thought just a bit. But it probably does support your overall point that this won't open the gate for crazy numbers in the TD category for him.

With all that being said, I think he is shaping up to be a very intriguing player and I admit, I was not on the bandwagon in the beginning (mostly because I just truly never followed him in college). THe reason I say he could be very intriguing is because almost no matter how you draw it up, you know the Packers offense is going to be in that red zone a lot and, by default, the opportunities will be there. So if things just start working for them early, it is really not hard to see this guy with 11-12TDs on the season and that is a pretty significant stat in almost any scoring format.
McCarthy was ahead of the trend when it comes to relying on the passing game. IMO he is one of the reasons the NFL has evolved in this direction.

The data goes back 13 seasons. Parse it however you want but it holds true for every three year window you want to look at except for '02-'04 when he had Deuce McCallister (13, 8 & 9 rushing TDs with 3 receiving TDs).

I like Lacy but IMO anything more than 8-9 TDs is gravy.
Ended up drafting him as my #2 RB but he ended the season as my #1 RB (Arian Foster whattya gonna do?).

I gotta admit, I really enjoyed Eddie Lacy's gravy.

 
Rotoworld take:

Associated Press named Eddie Lacy its 2013 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.
Lacy earned the honor after putting Green Bay's offense on his back for long stretches in the absence of Aaron Rodgers, who missed seven 2013 games. The fact Lacy won the award by a whopping 35-12 voting margin over Keenan Allen still makes little sense. Allen had one of the finest rookie wide receiver seasons in league history, and the vote should've been closer. With that said, the AP got this one right. EddieTooFat was an absolute monster in '13.
 
Packers' Eddie Lacy wins Offensive Rookie of the YearBy Chris Wesseling

Around the League Writer

NEW YORK -- Green Bay Packers running back Eddie Lacy nudged out San Diego Chargers wide receiver Keenan Allen for the 2013 Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year Award at Saturday's "NFL Honors" ceremony.

It was the correct call.

Whereas Allen finished 22nd in receiving yards and 13th in receiving touchdowns, Lacy placed eighth in rushing yards and third in rushing scores. From Week 5 on, LeSean McCoy and Jamaal Charles were the only running backs to average more than Lacy's 86.7 yards per game.

Philip Rivers and Ryan Mathews did the heavy lifting for the Chargers. Lacy carried Green Bay's offense for a crucial seven-game stretch when Aaron Rodgers was sidelined, emerging as the Packers' most valuable player.

More impressively, Lacy saved the season while toughing out an ankle injury and facing stacked boxes without Rodgers' rifle arm to keep defenses honest.

A throwback to the days of bruising, three-down bell cows, Lacy consistently got more than what was blocked. He finished near the top of the list in yards after contact and forced missed tackles, according to Pro Football Focus.

This award is a fitting tribute to a player who not only broke John Brockington's long-standing franchise record for rookie rushing yards, but also turned a weakness into a strength for the Packers.

With Lacy checking chins in the backfield, coach Mike McCarthy has good reason to believe his offense can be special in 2014.

Live from New York, it's the NFL "Around The League Podcast" Super Bowl Preview!
 
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Will Brinson @WillBrinson

Eddie Lacy wins 2013 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year
Was there every any doubt?
Apparently not:

Lacy beat out Chargers wide receiver Keenan Allen who finished No. 2 in the vote. Allen was named CBSSports.com's offensive rookie of the year by five votes over Lacy, but the vote on Saturday wasn't close at all. Lacy beat Allen 35-12
What a joke. Lacy wasn't any better than Zac Stacy, who played in a worse offense. Lacy wasn't even that much better with Rodgers.

 
Xue said:
Twitter:

Will Brinson @WillBrinson

Eddie Lacy wins 2013 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year
Was there every any doubt?
Apparently not:

Lacy beat out Chargers wide receiver Keenan Allen who finished No. 2 in the vote. Allen was named CBSSports.com's offensive rookie of the year by five votes over Lacy, but the vote on Saturday wasn't close at all. Lacy beat Allen 35-12
What a joke. Lacy wasn't any better than Zac Stacy, who played in a worse offense. Lacy wasn't even that much better with Rodgers.
Lacy played a lot of games without Rodgers. Lacy had more receptions, more receiving yards, more yards rushing, a better ypc average and more TD's. Lacy lead in every stat. Why is it a joke the player who had a better year won?

 
Xue said:
Twitter:

Will Brinson @WillBrinson

Eddie Lacy wins 2013 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year
Was there every any doubt?
Apparently not:

Lacy beat out Chargers wide receiver Keenan Allen who finished No. 2 in the vote. Allen was named CBSSports.com's offensive rookie of the year by five votes over Lacy, but the vote on Saturday wasn't close at all. Lacy beat Allen 35-12
What a joke. Lacy wasn't any better than Zac Stacy, who played in a worse offense. Lacy wasn't even that much better with Rodgers.
Lacy played a lot of games without Rodgers. Lacy had more receptions, more receiving yards, more yards rushing, a better ypc average and more TD's. Lacy lead in every stat. Why is it a joke the player who had a better year won?
Pretty much this.

 
Rotoworld:

New Packers RBs coach Sam Gash compared Eddie Lacy to Curtis Martin after studying Lacy during his rookie season.

Gash recently replaced Alex Van Pelt as Green Bay's running backs coach after Van Pelt was promoted to coach quarterbacks. He was a two-time Pro Bowl fullback in Buffalo. "Even though he’s bigger, same mentality," Gash said of Lacy. "Curtis didn’t like watching football. If anybody watched his Hall of Fame speech, he was a guy who didn’t necessarily like watching football, but he was instinctive and just a great player. Eddie is pretty similar in his mentality. But you watch him on film, which I’m just starting to do, he’s an exciting prospect."


Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
 
Rotoworld:

Coach Mike McCarthy said he wants Eddie Lacy to be a three-down back.

Lacy was already an every-down back as the Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2013, but this confirms that the Packers aren't really interested in scaling back his workload. Despite being a pounding hammer back, Lacy has soft hands and can catch the ball out of the backfield. Lacy should be locked in as a first-round pick in 2014 fantasy drafts. Getting Aaron Rodgers back will only help.


Source: Jason Wilde on Twitter
 
I just feel right now that Lacy would be one of the worst #1 rookie picks for fantasy that I can ever remember.

I am not saying I see a guy I would CLEARLY take ahead of him, either, or that Lacy is a bad pick at the #1. Just no player right now to me is a solid #1 pick compared to any other year I can remember. Doesn't mean it will play out worse than some other years, cause some of those years were REAL bad, but that's just the way I see it at the moment.

I would certainly trade down from pick #1 if I could get a couple mid 1st rounders, easily. Or another pick around 4-5 and a future 1st.
OOF!

 
Rotoworld:

Johnathan Franklin - RB - Packers
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's Bob McGinn projects rookie Johnathan Franklin to play 40 percent of the Packers' 2013 offensive snaps.
Eddie Lacy should hover around 50 percent, assuming he stays healthy. McGinn believes Franklin is in direct competition with John Kuhn -- not Lacy -- to be Green Bay's passing- and third-down back. McGinn also suggested Franklin could earn "spot" carries, probably as Lacy's change-of-pace complement.


Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Jul 29 - 5:45 PM
Remind me not to listen to this guy.

Just wanted to bring this thread up now that Lacy is bring thought of as a Top 5 back. A lot of people who post here were wrong about him. Just to put into perspective how very little pro day workouts and the combine means and how Rotoworld blurbs do not even come close to representing the truth. Maybe some are not as smart as they think they are.

 
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Rotoworld:

Johnathan Franklin - RB - Packers
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's Bob McGinn projects rookie Johnathan Franklin to play 40 percent of the Packers' 2013 offensive snaps.
Eddie Lacy should hover around 50 percent, assuming he stays healthy. McGinn believes Franklin is in direct competition with John Kuhn -- not Lacy -- to be Green Bay's passing- and third-down back. McGinn also suggested Franklin could earn "spot" carries, probably as Lacy's change-of-pace complement.


Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Jul 29 - 5:45 PM
Remind me not to listen to this guy.

Just wanted to bring this thread up now that Lacy is bring thought of as a Top 5 back. A lot of people who post here were wrong about him. Just to put into perspective how very little pro day workouts and the combine means and how Rotoworld blurbs do not even come close to representing the truth. Maybe some are not as smart as they think they are.
I am not entirely sure what you find to be so bad about McGinn's report?

He says that Franklin in a receiving RB role would be in competition with Kuhn. It is a separate role in the offense than what the main RB will do. A sub package.

Now it should be obvious that Franklin was not going to beat out Kuhn as a pass blocking specialist as a rookie. However Kuhn is a free agent, so this may have been the Packers thinking ahead, and looking at other options.

The 40 percent of the snaps number seems high for Kuhn's role in the offense so not sure where that obviously incorrect guess comes from? I am sure part of it was not knowing Rodgers would be injured and expecting the Packers to throw the ball more than they did with him injured.

The Packers had a lot of issues with their offensive line going into preseason. Rodgers did get injured. The game plan changed. The offensive line got a chance to show what they can do as run blockers more in 2013. Starks was doing well with his runs too.

It is all a moot point now I think because the HC is saying he wants Lacy to be a full time RB. But at that time? In pre-season? I think you are being pretty harsh on a guy who is trying to communicate/speculate on training camp battles.

Lots of people really liked Franklin. I did not particularly but lots of people did.

 
Rotoworld:

Johnathan Franklin - RB - Packers
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's Bob McGinn projects rookie Johnathan Franklin to play 40 percent of the Packers' 2013 offensive snaps.
Eddie Lacy should hover around 50 percent, assuming he stays healthy. McGinn believes Franklin is in direct competition with John Kuhn -- not Lacy -- to be Green Bay's passing- and third-down back. McGinn also suggested Franklin could earn "spot" carries, probably as Lacy's change-of-pace complement.


Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Jul 29 - 5:45 PM
Remind me not to listen to this guy.

Just wanted to bring this thread up now that Lacy is bring thought of as a Top 5 back. A lot of people who post here were wrong about him. Just to put into perspective how very little pro day workouts and the combine means and how Rotoworld blurbs do not even come close to representing the truth. Maybe some are not as smart as they think they are.
I am not entirely sure what you find to be so bad about McGinn's report?

He says that Franklin in a receiving RB role would be in competition with Kuhn. It is a separate role in the offense than what the main RB will do. A sub package.

Now it should be obvious that Franklin was not going to beat out Kuhn as a pass blocking specialist as a rookie. However Kuhn is a free agent, so this may have been the Packers thinking ahead, and looking at other options.

The 40 percent of the snaps number seems high for Kuhn's role in the offense so not sure where that obviously incorrect guess comes from? I am sure part of it was not knowing Rodgers would be injured and expecting the Packers to throw the ball more than they did with him injured.

The Packers had a lot of issues with their offensive line going into preseason. Rodgers did get injured. The game plan changed. The offensive line got a chance to show what they can do as run blockers more in 2013. Starks was doing well with his runs too.

It is all a moot point now I think because the HC is saying he wants Lacy to be a full time RB. But at that time? In pre-season? I think you are being pretty harsh on a guy who is trying to communicate/speculate on training camp battles.

Lots of people really liked Franklin. I did not particularly but lots of people did.
My point. We read too much into that stuff, the speculation of others.

 
Remind me not to listen to this guy.

Just wanted to bring this thread up now that Lacy is bring thought of as a Top 5 back. A lot of people who post here were wrong about him. Just to put into perspective how very little pro day workouts and the combine means and how Rotoworld blurbs do not even come close to representing the truth. Maybe some are not as smart as they think they are.
It's not an exact science; there is no "truth". Just because an indicator isn't perfect, doesn't mean it's worthless or that the people who provide it "aren't as smart as they think they are."

 
Remind me not to listen to this guy.

Just wanted to bring this thread up now that Lacy is bring thought of as a Top 5 back. A lot of people who post here were wrong about him. Just to put into perspective how very little pro day workouts and the combine means and how Rotoworld blurbs do not even come close to representing the truth. Maybe some are not as smart as they think they are.
It's not an exact science; there is no "truth". Just because an indicator isn't perfect, doesn't mean it's worthless or that the people who provide it "aren't as smart as they think they are."
Again, my point is we read too much into beat writer and certain speculation around combine and pro days. Its what cause significant value in fantasy because of every blurb we read. Information from beat writers is great, speculation is not.

 
Again, my point is we read too much into beat writer and certain speculation around combine and pro days. Its what cause significant value in fantasy because of every blurb we read. Information from beat writers is great, speculation is not.
And if the writer had turned out to be right--would we have placed too little value in the "speculation"?

 
Again, my point is we read too much into beat writer and certain speculation around combine and pro days. Its what cause significant value in fantasy because of every blurb we read. Information from beat writers is great, speculation is not.
And if the writer had turned out to be right--would we have placed too little value in the "speculation"?
Completely missing the point. Continue to argue with yourself man. If you can't see the point I was trying to make thats too bad. Enjoy all the speculation about beat writers in March you want.

 
It was a bad call False Start thinking that Franklin would time share with Lacy who was better at pass protection than Franklin was as a prospect among other things.

I recall freaking out a bit when people started downgrading Lacy a lot because of Franklin. I didn't think the 2 players were near in ability or role and Lacy (who I do not particularly like btw ;) ) was rated universally much higher than Franklin pretty much right up until the Packers drafted both of them. If Franklin would have gone to a team with less competition people would have been hyping him as heir to the starting job there also.

Lots of people read this wrong not just McGinn.

 
Franklin's issues revolved around 2 things.

A. His own fumbling.

B. Lacy was just that good and Starks was playing possessed.

 
Here is an example of why I like McGinn's writing-

Green Bay — It's one thing to be confident. It's another to be smug.

Listening to Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rodgers and others last week, it would appear as if the Green Bay Packers think they can just roll the balls out next season and be a prime contender for the Super Bowl.

All this stuff about finishing strong and overcoming adversity has to stop.

The Packers didn't finish strong. They were on their home field in their kind of weather and in ideal position to beat a powerful foe in the playoff opener. Then they blew it in the last six minutes.

They also didn't overcome adversity. The Packers lose their starting quarterback for the first time in 21 years and are proud of going 2-5-1 against a soft schedule (five at home) without him?

Let's be clear about something else. The NFC North championship was more about the Detroit Lions pulling a colossal fold than the Green Bay Packers doing anything wonderful.

From the sound of things, the Packers — aside from a tweak here and a tweak there — plan to keep on operating the way they always have under Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers.

In case they missed it, pro football has moved on since the Packers' lone Super Bowl in their eight seasons as partners.

While the Packers were beating the Joe Webb-quarterbacked Vikings for their only postseason triumph since the 45th Super Bowl, NFC upstarts Seattle, Carolina and San Francisco — a combined 15-33 in 2010 when Green Bay was winning it all — drafted dynamic quarterbacks and made vast improvements to marginal defenses.

It might have been a terrible year in the division, but that doesn't mean it's going to stay that way.

The Vikings panicked and missed on Christian Ponder, but with the No. 8 pick in the draft they'll probably be right back in the quarterback hunt. If the Vikings find the next Russell Wilson, Cam Newton or Colin Kaepernick, they have more than enough good young players to be right back in the division race next season and beyond.

Ill-tempered and arrogant Jim Schwartz, whose teams were always undisciplined, did get the Lions out of jail.

Whoever the next coach is would be a better choice than Schwartz to erase the stench of that 1-6 finish.

And aggressive general manager Phil Emery, already having built a formidable offense, will be using every means at his disposal in an attempt to rebuild the broken defense in Chicago.

Meanwhile, in Green Bay, McCarthy on Wednesday talked about what might have been in 2013 and, as his quarterback did a day earlier, a championship window they don't foresee closing any time soon.

The Packers could forget how fortunate they were that the Lions self-destructed and bask in their third straight NFC North crown and fifth straight playoff berth.

The T-shirts around town say division champs, baby. How can you argue with success?

Or the Packers can take a long look at themselves, admit to their many shortcomings and failings and come back as a more vibrant organization under old standbys Thompson, McCarthy, Rodgers and Dom Capers.

None of those four men has any reason to feel good about the recent past.

Thompson has made his share of outstanding picks in the draft. It's his area of expertise, and his drafting record over the years is better than the norm.

Last year, Thompson went blithely along with McCarthy on the idea that Graham Harrell and B.J. Coleman were capable backups when everyone in America knew that they weren't. Given Vince Young's mental limitations, his signing Aug. 5 made no sense, either.

If Thompson hadn't dawdled for a week before bringing back Matt Flynn, the Packers might have gone 2-0 against the Giants and Vikings instead of 0-1-1.

Thompson made another mistake when he didn't sign another center after Greg Van Roten was done for the season Sept. 30. When Evan Dietrich-Smith couldn't play an entire game, at least two changes in the line had to be made and the offense fell apart against the Eagles and Lions.

A secret to the Packers' continued success has been their ability to identify core players early and sign them to slightly below-market contracts. Thompson's decision to give Morgan Burnett a big-money extension in mid-July and then watch him perform like a free agent should have rocked the franchise's draft-and-develop model.

As good as the Packers have been acquiring extra draft picks, there usually aren't enough of them to close all the holes. The safety position in Green Bay the past two years is a perfect example.

Thompson's aversion to veteran acquisition, whether through unrestricted free agency, street free agency or trade, must end for the Packers to hang with the top teams.

John Schneider, Dave Gettleman and Trent Baalke, the personnel-oriented GMs in Seattle, Carolina and San Francisco, have their teams among the final four in the NFC partly because of their veteran additions.

In the trades of 2013, look what Anquan Boldin did for the 49ers, what Alex Smith did for the Chiefs, what LeGarrette Blount did for the Patriots, what Jerry Hughes (10 sacks) did for the Bills, what Carson Palmer did for the Cardinals and what Jon Beason did for the Giants.

In free agency, some of the wise signings on offense were tight end Martellus Bennett by the Bears, guards Louis Vasquez by the Broncos and Matt Slauson by the Bears, and running back Danny Woodhead by the Chargers.

The list on defense includes ends Michael Bennett by the Seahawks and Mike DeVito by the Chiefs, nose tackle Glenn Dorsey by the 49ers, inside linebacker Karlos Dansby by the Cardinals, outside linebacker John Abraham by the Cardinals, cornerback Keenan Lewis by the Saints, safety Glover Quin by the Lions, kicker Phil Dawson by the 49ers and receiver-returner Ted Ginn Jr. by the Panthers.

Green Bay's only signing was Matthew Mulligan.

"They have no pro department up there," an executive in personnel said. "Ted does some good things in drafting but they don't do (expletive) in personnel.

"Ted has shut it down lately. They've gone stone cold. They have not been utilizing all the markets. Now it's caught up to him."

If Thompson trusts himself, pro personnel director Eliot Wolf and others in the building, he'll resume activity in free agency and seek bargain-priced or market-priced veterans to augment the draft.

As one scout put it, "You start at 8-8 when you have a franchise quarterback."

McCarthy deserves a degree of credit for developing Rodgers. He deserves blame for not being able to function better without him.

He's the quarterback/offensive/play-calling guru. He didn't get it done with Harrell, Coleman and Young, and when push came to shove he didn't get it done with Seneca Wallace or Scott Tolzien, either.

Try as he might, McCarthy failed to win a game for a month. In that period, he couldn't rally the team the way some great coaches in similar straits have done over the decades.

It also would have helped if McCarthy could have counted on his special teams more when Rodgers wasn't around to outscore the opposition. Unlike coaches that have had to make do without a great quarterback, he never had to depend on his kicking game for field position and points.

Bill Walsh never seemed to care. If McCarthy really does care, you wouldn't know it by the performance of his special teams for much of his tenure.

As for the overriding problem of injuries, McCarthy either has the most fragile or the unluckiest team in the league. The Packers need to find tougher players from the standpoint of injuries (see Eddie Lacy), but I'm not sure McCarthy or any of his advisers have a clue how to do it.

The pipeline from Thompson to the defense has all but dried up after the draft-day trade for Clay Matthews in 2009. That has placed undue burden on Capers, but as someone regarded by many in football as a top-five to top-10 coordinator it's incumbent upon him to perform better than this.

In the last four years, the Packers have ranked 28th, 26th, 26th and 29th in yards allowed per rush. Stopping the run is the foundation for any defense.

After a one-year improvement, the total of missed tackles (127) was almost back to the 2011 level (140) that sent McCarthy on an off-season tirade.

Just when it seemed the Packers could never allow as many as the 85 plays of 20 yards or more that they did two years ago, they yielded 82.

The red-zone defensive ranking was in the 20s for the third straight year, and the points-off-takeaways totals the past two years were by far the two lowest of the McCarthy era.

So many evils on defense returned to Green Bay this season.

Capers, however, has owned Jay Cutler (8-1) and Matthew Stafford (6-1), and it's a critical feather in his cap.

In 2010, Rodgers performed well in the first and third playoff games and brilliantly in the second and fourth. His pelts forever are on the wall.

Since then, in four playoff games, he outplayed the aforementioned Webb (subbing last minute for the injured Ponder) in the only victory and was outplayed by Kaepernick twice and Eli Manning once in the three defeats.

Not once in those four games did the opposing coordinators all-out blitz Rodgers, and on a mere 12.3% of passes did they even pressure with five. Just as San Francisco's Vic Fangio did last Sunday, the way to subdue Rodgers in the postseason is to make him be patient.

After review, it could be said that Rodgers gave the Packers ordinary quarterback play in his last four playoff starts.

Rodgers accepted blame Tuesday, but the only thing that matters will be if he performs a whole lot better than ordinary if and when his team returns to the postseason.

In a league set up for quarterbacks to dominate, the Packers need Rodgers to dominate. By the same token, they need Thompson, McCarthy and Capers to step up their games.

Complacency can be insidious within a National Football League operation. The Packers should have nothing to be complacent about.

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I am not sure if he likes Lacy or not though. He gave Lacy a B+ in his post season packers grades.

Eddie Lacy: He figures to be the Packers' first offensive rookie of the year since RB John Brockington in 1971. Counting playoffs, Lacy rushed 305 times for 1,259 yards (4.13) and 11 TDs. He also caught 37 passes and allowed five sacks, the most by a Packers RB in more than two decades. Lacy also dropped three of 48 passes. He didn't have a penalty. Lacy usually made the right reads, showing the vision and patience that is born to the great ones. He punished some tacklers, spun away from others and even outran a few. He looks like the Packers' best back since Ahman Green. Grade: B-plus.

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Eddie Lacy wins 2013 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year
Was there every any doubt?
Apparently not:

Lacy beat out Chargers wide receiver Keenan Allen who finished No. 2 in the vote. Allen was named CBSSports.com's offensive rookie of the year by five votes over Lacy, but the vote on Saturday wasn't close at all. Lacy beat Allen 35-12
What a joke. Lacy wasn't any better than Zac Stacy, who played in a worse offense. Lacy wasn't even that much better with Rodgers.
Lacy played a lot of games without Rodgers. Lacy had more receptions, more receiving yards, more yards rushing, a better ypc average and more TD's. Lacy lead in every stat. Why is it a joke the player who had a better year won?
The AP vote was a joke because it should have been a lot closer.

Lacy wasn't any better WITH Rodgers. Did I need to type that out again? Lacy had better numbers with a better supporting cast. What would Lacy have done on the Rams?

If having better stats equates to winning ROY, why bother having a vote for it?

 
Xue said:
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Will Brinson @WillBrinson

Eddie Lacy wins 2013 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year
Was there every any doubt?
Apparently not:

Lacy beat out Chargers wide receiver Keenan Allen who finished No. 2 in the vote. Allen was named CBSSports.com's offensive rookie of the year by five votes over Lacy, but the vote on Saturday wasn't close at all. Lacy beat Allen 35-12
What a joke. Lacy wasn't any better than Zac Stacy, who played in a worse offense. Lacy wasn't even that much better with Rodgers.
Lacy played a lot of games without Rodgers. Lacy had more receptions, more receiving yards, more yards rushing, a better ypc average and more TD's. Lacy lead in every stat. Why is it a joke the player who had a better year won?
The AP vote was a joke because it should have been a lot closer.

Lacy wasn't any better WITH Rodgers. Did I need to type that out again? Lacy had better numbers with a better supporting cast. What would Lacy have done on the Rams?

If having better stats equates to winning ROY, why bother having a vote for it?
Lacy was the main reason the Packers won games without Rodgers. Lacy was arguably the MVP of the Packers last season, I don't think you could say the same for your boy Stacy...

If we throw stats out the window and just look at their body of work on the field, I think you'd be hard pressed to find people (other than Rams fans) who thought Stacy was a better performer than Lacy.

The awards at the end of the season are a joke IMO, but not any more of a joke than saying Stacy deserved ROTY because he looked good running the football.

 
Xue said:
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Will Brinson @WillBrinson

Eddie Lacy wins 2013 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year
Was there every any doubt?
Apparently not:

Lacy beat out Chargers wide receiver Keenan Allen who finished No. 2 in the vote. Allen was named CBSSports.com's offensive rookie of the year by five votes over Lacy, but the vote on Saturday wasn't close at all. Lacy beat Allen 35-12
What a joke. Lacy wasn't any better than Zac Stacy, who played in a worse offense. Lacy wasn't even that much better with Rodgers.
Lacy played a lot of games without Rodgers. Lacy had more receptions, more receiving yards, more yards rushing, a better ypc average and more TD's. Lacy lead in every stat. Why is it a joke the player who had a better year won?
The AP vote was a joke because it should have been a lot closer.

Lacy wasn't any better WITH Rodgers. Did I need to type that out again? Lacy had better numbers with a better supporting cast. What would Lacy have done on the Rams?

If having better stats equates to winning ROY, why bother having a vote for it?
I liked what I saw of Stacy. He ran...hard.

 
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Lacy wasn't any better WITH Rodgers. Did I need to type that out again?
Type it out as much as you like, but it doesn't make it true or accurate. He got a nice bump by playing two awful run defenses with Rodgers out, and played the 9ers twice with Rodgers. But he clearly had more to work with when Rodgers was in the game.

 
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Rotoworld:

Eddie Lacy's snap count is expected to rise this season.
Lacy played on 60.5 percent of the snaps as a rookie, often ceding third-down duties to John Kuhn. But Kuhn is now a free agent and coach Mike McCarthy has been talking up Lacy as a three-down back. He's a very capable receiver and pass protector. Lacy is an excellent bet for 300-plus carries, 40-plus catches and all the goal-line work in one of the league's premier offenses.

Source: ESPN.com
 
Rotoworld:

Coach Mike McCarthy is planning a balanced offense, "particularly" featuring Eddie Lacy.
The Packers' offense has been far too pass-dependent over the last four seasons, relying exclusively on Aaron Rodgers' arm due to a lack of talent at tailback. That's no longer the case. "You hope they play you two-shell defense all day when Eddie's in the backfield," McCarthy said. A healthy Rodgers is going to open even more lanes for Lacy, who totaled 1,435 yards and 11 touchdowns as a rookie. He's a no-brainer first-round fantasy pick.

Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette
 

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