Anyone rolling with Vick over Brees this week (1 Viewer)

[Eastwood]

I think Vick and the Eagles are going to pound the Redskins this weekend...and I'm a Skins fan.

Add in Brees injured knee, and playing the HORRIBLE Panthers, its easy to imagine Brees playing 2-3 quarters in sitting this out while the Saints enjoy a 3-4 TD lead in the 2nd half.

Anyone else benching a top 3 dynasty QB like Brees, Manning, or Rodgers for Vick this week?

 

[snellman]

Played Vick over Brees last week, and I am very seriously considering doing the same this week. While Brees has had a decent season so far, Vick has already outscored him in my league. We get bonuses for long TDs and 6 pts for rushing vs 4 for passing TDs. Unless someone talks me off the ledge in the mean time, I will probably roll with Vick for the 2nd week in a row and will probably continue to ride the hot hand.

 

[Dragon1952]

I think Vick over Brees is a very bad choice this week. In fact, even though it may occasionally work out, it's probably a bad choice any week.

 

[detox]

Don't the NFC east teams typically beat eachother up in low scoring / high turn over games?

 

[bill bates hits hard]

Brees has no running game. This could be a 350+ yard day. Vick played det and jax. Can't wait to see all the people that traded for vick after these 2 layups come crashing down to reality. I expect a lot of frantic owners looking to replace vick after the next 2 weeks or so.

Good luck benching brees.

 

[TeamSnooki]

I got these guys too.

I started the week putting Vick in but I've changed it to Brees.

1) I still trust Brees more than Vick

2) The Pierre Thomas injury (even if he plays) makes me think the Saints will throw more than normal.

I don't think it means much but Brees has put up better numbers every week this year. Obv that won't happen every week this year but it's nice to see him getting more into a rhythm and back into his 2009 form.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

I got these guys too.

I started the week putting Vick in but I've changed it to Brees.

1) I still trust Brees more than Vick

2) The Pierre Thomas injury (even if he plays) makes me think the Saints will throw more than normal.

I don't think it means much but Brees has put up better numbers every week this year. Obv that won't happen every week this year but it's nice to see him getting more into a rhythm and back into his 2009 form.

as a brees owner im hoping PT/Bush takes their time back.

 

[meatwad1]

Brees has no running game. This could be a 350+ yard day. Vick played det and jax. Can't wait to see all the people that traded for vick after these 2 layups come crashing down to reality. I expect a lot of frantic owners looking to replace vick after the next 2 weeks or so. Good luck benching brees.

I could not disagree with you more. From year to year, there are qbs that come out of the woodwork and have great seasons....and very often, last years awesome qb is just pretty good this year. The fact that N O has no running game is bad news, not good news. I might be with you on Vick if he didn't have two stud wrs to throw to, but alas, that is not the case. He has always been a special talent....it now looks that he is focusing in on the mental aspect, which is a scary thing for dcs across the league.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

Brees has no running game. This could be a 350+ yard day. Vick played det and jax. Can't wait to see all the people that traded for vick after these 2 layups come crashing down to reality. I expect a lot of frantic owners looking to replace vick after the next 2 weeks or so. Good luck benching brees.

I could not disagree with you more. From year to year, there are qbs that come out of the woodwork and have great seasons....and very often, last years awesome qb is just pretty good this year. The fact that N O has no running game is bad news, not good news. I might be with you on Vick if he didn't have two stud wrs to throw to, but alas, that is not the case. He has always been a special talent....it now looks that he is focusing in on the mental aspect, which is a scary thing for dcs across the league.

1. GB has no running game and that doesnt stop them. nor will it NO2. Vick had roddy white for years and kept him down. had crumpler and dunn. he had play makers. this is the NFL not Madden 11.

 

[Truman]

Brees has no running game. This could be a 350+ yard day. Vick played det and jax. Can't wait to see all the people that traded for vick after these 2 layups come crashing down to reality. I expect a lot of frantic owners looking to replace vick after the next 2 weeks or so. Good luck benching brees.

I could not disagree with you more. From year to year, there are qbs that come out of the woodwork and have great seasons....and very often, last years awesome qb is just pretty good this year. The fact that N O has no running game is bad news, not good news. I might be with you on Vick if he didn't have two stud wrs to throw to, but alas, that is not the case. He has always been a special talent....it now looks that he is focusing in on the mental aspect, which is a scary thing for dcs across the league.

1. GB has no running game and that doesnt stop them. nor will it NO2. Vick had roddy white for years and kept him down. had crumpler and dunn. he had play makers. this is the NFL not Madden 11.

- He had Roddy for his first 2 years, in which Roddy couldn't beat out Ashley Lelie or Dez White for the starting job. Crumpler's career fell of a cliff when Vick went to jail. Warrick Done was never anything special, he similarly fell off without Vick there to draw defensive attention.- I don't know how badly Vick will be 'exposed' by the Redskins D Sam Bradford lit up last week, or the 49ers D he faces next week. In fact, the best pass Defenses he faces are in weeks 6 and 7, Atlanta and Tennessee. After that it's back to the Giants (twice), Texans, Cowboys (twice), Bears and the Reskins again.

 

[Manster]

I think Vick over Brees is a very bad choice this week. In fact, even though it may occasionally work out, it's probably a bad choice any week.

this is what im thinking. who's more likely to come up with a dud? i'd say vick.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

so the WRs were at fault with vick in atl? man, i remember back before he went to jail, vick each draft was the trendy late pick. vick would always have those 2 to 3 game stretches and then implode. im not surprised to see the ATL fans run to his defense. i won't believe till he plays someone.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

career 54. pct. is not the WRs.

 

[JHuber77]

If your league awards more points for rushing/receiving than passing, Vick should be your choice regardless. People seem to forget that Vick was a top 5 QB in Atlanta fantasy wise. Give me Vick playing the horrible Washington pass defense (31st I believe) against Brees who has a gimpy knee.

 

[golfguy]

it should be noted that the redskins actually have some decent LBers. the vick train around here and ESPN is unreal. when he does something against a quality opponent let me know. and no garbage time against GB doesn't count.

 

[atl3695]

career 54. pct. is not the WRs.

Wide receivers play no part in completion pct? Dont know about your league, but I have never seen one where completion percentage is a scoring category. He was 17-31(54%) against Jax and put up 35 points. 19 for 31 puts him over 60%. Do those extra 2 passes make the difference in him being a good qb or not?There will be lots of people eating their words on Vick come week 10 or so.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

career 54. pct. is not the WRs.

Wide receivers play no part in completion pct? Dont know about your league, but I have never seen one where completion percentage is a scoring category. He was 17-31(54%) against Jax and put up 35 points. 19 for 31 puts him over 60%. Do those extra 2 passes make the difference in him being a good qb or not?There will be lots of people eating their words on Vick come week 10 or so.

I agree he will be on the ww again.

 

[atl3695]

career 54. pct. is not the WRs.

Wide receivers play no part in completion pct? Dont know about your league, but I have never seen one where completion percentage is a scoring category. He was 17-31(54%) against Jax and put up 35 points. 19 for 31 puts him over 60%. Do those extra 2 passes make the difference in him being a good qb or not?There will be lots of people eating their words on Vick come week 10 or so.

I agree he will be on the ww again.

Guess you have just been added to the word eater list.Barring injury, Vick will play the rest of the year and finish top 10. This guy was top 5 in Atlanta with no weapons and bad coaching. I cannot understand how there are so many doubters and have yet to hear a reasonable argument as to why he wont be successful in fantasy.

 

[FUBAR]

Considering it, but as the league is superflex, the choice is really Spiller/Sproles/DJax vs. Brees.

 

[LordHusker]

career 54. pct. is not the WRs.

Wide receivers play no part in completion pct? Dont know about your league, but I have never seen one where completion percentage is a scoring category. He was 17-31(54%) against Jax and put up 35 points. 19 for 31 puts him over 60%. Do those extra 2 passes make the difference in him being a good qb or not?There will be lots of people eating their words on Vick come week 10 or so.

I agree he will be on the ww again.

Please join my money league.

 

[Eastwood]

changed my mind and playing Brees. Still think Vick has a big day though.

 

[the moops]

and no garbage time against GB doesn't count.

He played the entire 2nd half.

 

[Breesisdaman]

To me it seems like a no brainer to start Vick here. The Saints will likely get out to an early lead in this game and go ground control with the running game for most of the second half. Vick meanwhile is going to have to out pace McNabb on the score board.

 

[gianmarco]

it should be noted that the redskins actually have some decent LBers. the vick train around here and ESPN is unreal. when he does something against a quality opponent let me know. and no garbage time against GB doesn't count.

It doesn't? Hmm, my league actually scores pts for all 4 qtrs, even if it's garbage time. Remember, real NFL != fantasy football. Garbage time IS important in FF.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

what NO running game?

 

[FUBAR]

it should be noted that the redskins actually have some decent LBers. the vick train around here and ESPN is unreal. when he does something against a quality opponent let me know. and no garbage time against GB doesn't count.

It doesn't? Hmm, my league actually scores pts for all 4 qtrs, even if it's garbage time. Remember, real NFL != fantasy football. Garbage time IS important in FF.

I thought you were better than this. The points would clearly count if you had started him that week, doubt many did. What I want to know is what the past can tell us about the future, and generally speaking garbage time tells us little. Not nothing, it's not that we should completely disregard it, but it's pretty low on the spectrum of things I use to guess the future.

 

[Warrior]

Brees is a much better choice, this week and any other week (except byes). Don't over think it...Brees >>> Vick, fantasy and reality.

 

[Truman]

it should be noted that the redskins actually have some decent LBers. the vick train around here and ESPN is unreal. when he does something against a quality opponent let me know. and no garbage time against GB doesn't count.

It doesn't? Hmm, my league actually scores pts for all 4 qtrs, even if it's garbage time. Remember, real NFL != fantasy football. Garbage time IS important in FF.

I thought you were better than this. The points would clearly count if you had started him that week, doubt many did. What I want to know is what the past can tell us about the future, and generally speaking garbage time tells us little. Not nothing, it's not that we should completely disregard it, but it's pretty low on the spectrum of things I use to guess the future.

Define garbage time. You think the Packers D was playing soft the entire 2nd half in a game they won by 1 score?

 

[Breesisdaman]

what NO running game?

I'll agree that N.O. has a banged up backfield that much is obvious but to say there is no running game is way too premature considering they have played 3 defenses that are much weaker in the secondary than they are in stopping the run. Sean Payton is a guy that plays the percentages and one only needs to look at the first game between the Vikings and Saints. There was no running the first half but PT totally went off in the second half. The 49ers are a tough run defense and the Falcons are much weaker in the secondary than in stopping the run. My guess is the Saints running game will be no different this year than it was last year once all the horses are back in the stables.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

I was refering to this week four with no PT or bush. Obviously PT is a good back.

 

[bweiser]

career 54. pct. is not the WRs.

Wide receivers play no part in completion pct? Dont know about your league, but I have never seen one where completion percentage is a scoring category. He was 17-31(54%) against Jax and put up 35 points. 19 for 31 puts him over 60%. Do those extra 2 passes make the difference in him being a good qb or not?There will be lots of people eating their words on Vick come week 10 or so.

We get 2 points for over 60 pct and -2 for under 40 pct ... So there are leagues were it counts. I don't care ... I will still start Vick every week I can. I don't have to chose between him and Brees and don't know what I'd do in that spot. I start Vick and Schaub in a start 2 QB.

 

[NumNums]

Saint's are 30th in the league against the run, Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams could finally have a big game this year against them. I'm sure Carolina will run the ball all day vs the Saints and try to keep Brees off the field. Crazy to think that Carolina will win this game but they could do that too. Anyway I'd roll with Vick over Brees if i had the choice, which I don't....but I am going with Vick over Schaub where I do have that choice!

 

[Breesisdaman]

I was refering to this week four with no PT or bush. Obviously PT is a good back.

That makes sense then although I must say that in the past Ivory has been a very good runner. He just looked really rusty and maybe still limited in the Atlanta game.

 

[gianmarco]

it should be noted that the redskins actually have some decent LBers. the vick train around here and ESPN is unreal. when he does something against a quality opponent let me know. and no garbage time against GB doesn't count.

It doesn't? Hmm, my league actually scores pts for all 4 qtrs, even if it's garbage time. Remember, real NFL != fantasy football. Garbage time IS important in FF.

I thought you were better than this. The points would clearly count if you had started him that week, doubt many did. What I want to know is what the past can tell us about the future, and generally speaking garbage time tells us little. Not nothing, it's not that we should completely disregard it, but it's pretty low on the spectrum of things I use to guess the future.

What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter if a player gets his points in garbage time. The fact that he gets them both in garbage time as well as in regular situations is a good thing. To disregard that as a reason to like Vick going forward is foolish, IMO. It's the same reason why you don't disregard good players on bad teams just because they get their points in garbage time. If a team is always going to be behind and get it, then that player is still worthwhile.

And finally, to say garbage time tells us little is not something I agree with either. I want to know if a player is kept in during garbage time and continues to put up points. If he does, that's actually a good thing.

 

[CaptainHook]

vick is an incredible fantasy qb

 

[FUBAR]

it should be noted that the redskins actually have some decent LBers. the vick train around here and ESPN is unreal. when he does something against a quality opponent let me know. and no garbage time against GB doesn't count.

It doesn't? Hmm, my league actually scores pts for all 4 qtrs, even if it's garbage time. Remember, real NFL != fantasy football. Garbage time IS important in FF.

I thought you were better than this. The points would clearly count if you had started him that week, doubt many did. What I want to know is what the past can tell us about the future, and generally speaking garbage time tells us little. Not nothing, it's not that we should completely disregard it, but it's pretty low on the spectrum of things I use to guess the future.

What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter if a player gets his points in garbage time. The fact that he gets them both in garbage time as well as in regular situations is a good thing. To disregard that as a reason to like Vick going forward is foolish, IMO. It's the same reason why you don't disregard good players on bad teams just because they get their points in garbage time. If a team is always going to be behind and get it, then that player is still worthwhile.

And finally, to say garbage time tells us little is not something I agree with either. I want to know if a player is kept in during garbage time and continues to put up points. If he does, that's actually a good thing.

As a general statement, I concur. It was worth knowing that even with a lead, Fisher would continue to run CJ. It's worth considering that Calvin Johnson is going to get some garbage time stats as the Lions are always behind. But I don't think Vick playing from behind when he wasn't the starter, tells us a whole lot. Do you expect the Eagles to be in that situation often? I don't.

 

[atl3695]

Brees is a much better choice, this week and any other week (except byes). Don't over think it...Brees >>> Vick, fantasy and reality.

Your opinions aside, the facts would say otherwise. Vick has outscored Brees EVERY week. Including week 1 where he only play one half.I guess you meant every week except weeks 1,2, and 3 of this season.

 

[atl3695]

career 54. pct. is not the WRs.

Wide receivers play no part in completion pct? Dont know about your league, but I have never seen one where completion percentage is a scoring category. He was 17-31(54%) against Jax and put up 35 points. 19 for 31 puts him over 60%. Do those extra 2 passes make the difference in him being a good qb or not?There will be lots of people eating their words on Vick come week 10 or so.

We get 2 points for over 60 pct and -2 for under 40 pct ... So there are leagues were it counts. I don't care ... I will still start Vick every week I can. I don't have to chose between him and Brees and don't know what I'd do in that spot. I start Vick and Schaub in a start 2 QB.

I did preface with I had never seen one but dont know about specific leagues as every scoring system is different. My main point is that those 2 completions are irrelevant from a real life NFL qb standpoint. From a fantasy standpoint, Vick makes up those 2 points and more with his 30 to 70+ rushing yards a game.

 

[atl3695]

Saint's are 30th in the league against the run, Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams could finally have a big game this year against them. I'm sure Carolina will run the ball all day vs the Saints and try to keep Brees off the field. Crazy to think that Carolina will win this game but they could do that too. Anyway I'd roll with Vick over Brees if i had the choice, which I don't....but I am going with Vick over Schaub where I do have that choice!

Going with Rivers over Vick this week, but went with Vick last week. I think the only guy that is a no brainer over Vick at this point is Peyton.

 

[John Windle]

Saint's are 30th in the league against the run, Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams could finally have a big game this year against them. I'm sure Carolina will run the ball all day vs the Saints and try to keep Brees off the field. Crazy to think that Carolina will win this game but they could do that too. Anyway I'd roll with Vick over Brees if i had the choice, which I don't....but I am going with Vick over Schaub where I do have that choice!

Going with Rivers over Vick this week, but went with Vick last week. I think the only guy that is a no brainer over Vick at this point is Peyton.

I wouldn't even say Peyton is a no brainer over Vick. Just that you can start him over Vick and not hate yourself when Vick blows up and outscores him.

 

[snellman]

I was originally going to play Vick over Brees, but with the weather in Philly this week, I will probably go with the safer pick in Brees as opposed to the higher upside in Vick.