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Anyone starting Kaep against the Pats? (1 Viewer)
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BearsFan4Life
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Have one guy in my league starting him with Ryan on a bye; his other qbs are Bradford and Osweiler.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I could pick him up to start, but right now I'm rolling with Goff.
buck naked
Footballguy
Yes. My other option is Palmer, but I don't trust Palmer on the road against Minnesota. Palmer has not looked good this year and his numbers bear that out.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Yup, he's been money since he came back and I expect plenty of garbage time to accumulate points with his combined passing/rushing stats. I feel pretty confident about him too.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IIRC, Kaep has ranked as QB15 in terms of ppg since he took over. The Patriots are pretty much average in terms of fantasy points allowed to opposing QBs. He's probably a decent fill in this week.
tombonneau
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Pats homer. This is a mistake. Kap killed them a few years ago. And the softness of this defense means Kap will rack up yards on the ground and air. Now he might not punch it in when he gets to the red zone but I would be shocked if he ends up under 300 yards and 40 yards rushing.
Meanwhile Goff is probably still hiding under his bed from the supermoon.
Not sure what your scoring system is but Kaep is averaging mid QB1 numbers in ppg in my league. He's been pretty solid and I like his chances against NE with him playing catch up the whole game. Also, I have a guy in my league with 5 (yes, 5) QBs on his roster in an attempt to #### block me (the Matt Ryan owner with no other QB on my bench) into a loss. I need Kaep to light it up just to be a punch in the nuts for this guy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Yes. Covering Rivers' bye
jdkapow
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Hot Sauce Guy
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I don't see a good outcome for Kaepernick in this game. I think the patriots defense is going to shut down whatever Kaepernick tries to do.
Franknbeans
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Cowboysfan8
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voiceofunreason
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Hot Sauce Guy
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It is what it is. Kaep's had some good and some bad as a starter - I envision this game to be most of the bad with very little of the good. BB is not going to let him run, and will challenge him to beat them through the air. And I don't think Kaep will be able to do it.
I could be wrong.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You dropped Winston in a keeper league for Starks? I don't understand that move. Winston is a stud now and will only get better. Starks is a warm body at best, and will be supplanted by Lacy or whatever RB they add to replace Lacy if it's not Lacy.
Probably not the move I would have made, but hey, it's your team. I'd be willing to bet Winston had some trade value in a keeper league though....
Dave Stauff
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Rotoworld reporting Torrey Smith likely out today.
That'/ arguably Kaep's best weapon and only deep threat / tall receiver.
That'/ arguably Kaep's best weapon and only deep threat / tall receiver.
Tong Po
Footballguy
Rotoworld reporting Torrey Smith likely out today.
That'/ arguably Kaep's best weapon and only deep threat / tall receiver.
Torrey Smith hasnt done a thing since Kap took over. His main receiving targets have been Kerley and Patton. Can't imagine Smith being out will affect his numbers much. Kap's biggest hurdle will be himself.
I'm starting him today over Winston. I have a lot of starters on BYE and need a high upside play. Hoping for a lot of bonus rushing yards from Kap in garbage time. Biggest concern is the Pats eating up time of possession all day and completely dominating the game.
buck naked
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I didn't realize 1 catch per game made Smith his best weapon.Rotoworld reporting Torrey Smith likely out today.
That'/ arguably Kaep's best weapon and only deep threat / tall receiver.
Rodrigo Duterte
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LMAO @ the last two posts. Nice!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It's one less weapon for the Pats to defend, which means more attention to Patton & Kerley. Smith's absence definitely effects Kaep today.
I wouldn't make that move, but each to their own. Chiefs D is good, but Winston is much much better than Kaep, has better weapons too.
Good luck!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He's the only deep threat and draws defensive attention.
mock me if you want - don't hurt me none. Just posting the news and offering my opinion.
Jist because Kaep can only hit him once a game doesn't mean he's not their best receiver.
You really hunk Kerley or Patton is a better NFL WR than Torrey Smith? Yeah, please do make a case for that.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Rodrigo Duterte
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Kerley: 40/424/3, 98.4 ppr ptsHe's the only deep threat and draws defensive attention.
mock me if you want - don't hurt me none. Just posting the news and offering my opinion.
Jist because Kaep can only hit him once a game doesn't mean he's not their best receiver.
You really hunk Kerley or Patton is a better NFL WR than Torrey Smith? Yeah, please do make a case for that.
Patton: 28/345/0 62.5 ppr pts
Smith: 17/243/2 53.3 ppr pts
I don't think we have to make a case against Torrey Smith being worse in the nfl or fantasy this year, he's doing it for us. Not saying losing him wouldn't be a slight down grade but they can just have vance mcdonald take the top off down the middle.
Raiderfan32904
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Hot Sauce Guy, I don't understand what you have invested in the Kaep sucks look elsewhere theme. Maybe you are just bored. If you have been paying attention, you would know that Torrey Smith could be IR and nobody'd notice.
Personally, I am giving playable size bumps to Patton, Kerley, and their TE Vance McDonald (not that I own any of these guys) as low end flex plays.
Personally, I am giving playable size bumps to Patton, Kerley, and their TE Vance McDonald (not that I own any of these guys) as low end flex plays.
I don't think any of us are actually accusing Kaep of being a good nfl QB either, we're just saying he's a serviceable fantasy option if you have no choices
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Bingo zactly! 
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I didn't say this year. I said NFL WR.
again: please make he case that either Kerley or Patton is a better NFL WR than Torrey Smith.
so far you've completely failed.
I'm sorry, but you must play in a league (or watch a different NFL) where the past years count for jack ####. He is not performing THIS year and that's all that matters. You are the one failing because your request is simply the wrong the one.
Nobody ever argued that Rishard Matthews is a better NFL receiver than Andre Johnson but I'll let you guess which one played better this year before Johnson bowed out
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I have nothing invested except I'm a 49er fan. I'm not saying "Kaep sucks look elsewhere" - please use the quote feature in the future to avoid putting words in my mouth.
I'm saying I think he's a bad play this week. It's what I said above and it's what I'm still saying.
sorry, am I not entitled to that opinion?
Not everything has to be personal. your projection that I have some sort of axe to grind here is ridiculous - it's a football discussion board and differing opinions used to be what made for good discussion. My interest here is to offer helpful advice to those considering Kaepernick a worthy start today that he may not have the success hoped for, especially over a better QB like Winston. That's me being helpful to fellow board members, not hating on Kaepernick.
It is my belief that BB isn't going to allow garbage time, as the Pats always seem to play to the final whistle - and BB is going to want to own Kelley. It's what BB does. I see no scenario where the Pats bench their starters and let Kaepernick have a couple of easy TDs. They could be up 30-0 and they'll hunt for the shutout. It's the Pats, and that's their MO.
further I don't agree with the narrative that Kaep will be playing from behind and throwing all day. For those who don't live in the Bay Area, I can personally attest (since I'm outside right now) that it's wet and cold here.
Last I checked, the 49ers can't stop anything on the ground. To me this looks like a 1-sided game with the Pats running the ball a lot more than they normally would and grinding clock. Could be a Bount game with lots of Deion Lewis & White sprinkled in. May not be a great game for Brady, but he'll have his floor of 2 scores and 250+ yards without breaking a sweat.
Might the Pats get up a couple scores? Maybe - but I think that might be even worse for Kaep, as the Pats scheme will be to take away the option run and dare Kaep to beat them in the air. And the Pats secondary, while not a turnover generating one, does defend the pass fairly well, especially against sub-par offenses - and I don't think the Kaep/Kerley/Patton triumvirate puts fear into any defense, especially with that OL and the Pats pass rush.
I'm betting they spy Kaep, and cover Patton & Kerley - and without a viable deep threat to stretch the field (Smith) that's one less player for them to cover.
maybe I'm way way way off - maybe Kaep throws 350 with 5 TDs and they beat Brady in his glorious return home to the SF Bay Area. I'll happily eat crow if so. Maybe he's even a decent start - 200 yards, 1 TD, 50 RuYd? I'm not even that optimistic. I think the 49ers offense gets shut down today, and Kaepernick gets sacked at least 5 times. Betting he throws 1, if not 2 Ints, and/or loses a fumble.
Again, if I'm wrong and he's a top 12 play this week you'll see me here later eating crow.
The only player i like in this game for the Niners is McDonald with a ridiculous # of checkdowns. So on that we're in agreement.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Never bench your studs.
Not even in bad weather. And I have Big Ben - and I'm leaving Dalton on the bench for him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He still demands coverage.
Its called the big picture. Look into it.
Ya ever stop to think maybe QB play had something to do with Smith's numbers for the time-frame you call out?
If slicing and dicing the timeframe of stats is the only way y'all can defend the position that Patton & Kerley are better NFL WRs than admits, you've already lost.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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And many weeks I'd agree with this.
Just not his week against the Pats.
also, some here aren't saying that try don't have better options - one said they're benching Winston for Kaep, another Roethlisburger. I disagree with those choices.
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/leaders/qb.php?year=2016
10th in standard according to FantasyPros. Everyone's scoring system is slightly different but I feel we can bet on him to be a low end QB1 at least. He's averaging 17/234.5/1.25 passing with 8/57/0.25 as a runner. Also 0.5 fumble and 0.5 INT but all that together is roughly 20 fppg.
The time frame I called out was throughout the year. Would you like to see the numbers with just Kaep?He still demands coverage.
Its called the big picture. Look into it.
Ya ever stop to think maybe QB play had something to do with Smith's numbers for the time-frame you call out?
If slicing and dicing the simeframe of stats is the only way y'all can defend he position that Patton & Kerley are better NFL WRs, you've already lost.
Patton: 16/223/0 (avg of 4/55.75/0 and ~ 9.5 fppg)
Kerley: 14/120/1 (avg of 3.5/30/0.25 and ~ 8 fppg)
Smith: 8/137/1 (avg of 2/34.25/0.25 and ~ 6.9 fppg)
McDonald: 10/183/1 (avg of 2.5/45.75/0.25 and ~ 8.5 fppg)
I never said losing Smith wouldn't have an effect, I just don't think he's the number 1 receiver and you'd have to have an argument on whether or not he's even considered the 2. The way he has played this year has not commanded special attention from teams. There are plenty of JAGs out there who are fast and can run a deep route, they shouldn't losing much with Smith.
I agree with you on Winston and Ben, that's over thinking things. Kaep is supposed to be a "the waiver wire is empty" play this week, not a legit alternative to proven commodities.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don't think he's the #1 receiver either.
i said he's "arguably their best receiver" and i stand by that.
Again, a time that using the quote feature would save some confusion.
As for Ben/Winston, yeah - better QBs with better weapons. I'm shocked people are considering this.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Slightly off-topic, but I heard on the radio this AM that this is Brady's 1st game in the SF Bay Area?
He's never played AT SF or Oakland?
how is that possible?
He's never played AT SF or Oakland?
how is that possible?
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Hu-Tang Clan
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It's an 8 year rotation on the schedule to play in the opposite conference's stadiums and I think it was the Cassel year that the Pats played against the 9ers.Slightly off-topic, but I heard on the radio this AM that this is Brady's 1st game in the SF Bay Area?
He's never played AT SF or Oakland?
how is that possible?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled with Roethlisburger right now.
but I would start Roethlisburger over Kaep 10000 times out of 10000.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I believe I've made a terrible mistake
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, wind is worse than rain… So the weather was definitely in favor of not starting Rothlisberger… But I still would never start Kaepernick over Rothlisberger
Ever.
Cowboysfan8
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