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Anyone trying to buy low on Grant? (1 Viewer)
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tribecalledjeff
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I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not. 
packersfan
Footballguy
Without knowing who the other guy has and all that, it was more than fair even though Edge is fading fast. Rodgers for Grant straight up is heavily tilted in Rodgers' favor right now given how good he has been.With regard to the comment above about the Packers leaning toward a RBBC. They're only doing that because of Grant's injury. If Grant was healthy, he'd clearly be the guy with Jackson being a third-down RB. Grant is a much more talented RB than Jackson (frankly, I think Lumpkin is too and only Jackson's draft status is saving him but that's another discussion). But he's clearly laboring with the hamstring injury and the Packers are doing everything they can to not overwork him early in the year.I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not.
I do think that you were offering too much. I have Grant and am very nervous about his prospects in the short term. His hamstring doesn't appear to beimproving much, if any. His production against the Lions was pathetic, particularly with Jackson producing like he did in that game.I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Or Jackson's play last year, the work he did this offseason, and how he has done so far has saved him.Without knowing who the other guy has and all that, it was more than fair even though Edge is fading fast. Rodgers for Grant straight up is heavily tilted in Rodgers' favor right now given how good he has been.With regard to the comment above about the Packers leaning toward a RBBC. They're only doing that because of Grant's injury. If Grant was healthy, he'd clearly be the guy with Jackson being a third-down RB. Grant is a much more talented RB than Jackson (frankly, I think Lumpkin is too and only Jackson's draft status is saving him but that's another discussion). But he's clearly laboring with the hamstring injury and the Packers are doing everything they can to not overwork him early in the year.I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not.
AnonymousBob
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I offered LJ and was shot down.
packersfan
Footballguy
His play last season was awful and he doesn't look much better in my opinion this year so far. I just don't think he's a good RB and if he wasn't a high draft pick I don't think he'd be on the roster right now.Or Jackson's play last year, the work he did this offseason, and how he has done so far has saved him.Without knowing who the other guy has and all that, it was more than fair even though Edge is fading fast. Rodgers for Grant straight up is heavily tilted in Rodgers' favor right now given how good he has been.With regard to the comment above about the Packers leaning toward a RBBC. They're only doing that because of Grant's injury. If Grant was healthy, he'd clearly be the guy with Jackson being a third-down RB. Grant is a much more talented RB than Jackson (frankly, I think Lumpkin is too and only Jackson's draft status is saving him but that's another discussion). But he's clearly laboring with the hamstring injury and the Packers are doing everything they can to not overwork him early in the year.I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not.
sho nuff
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I mean to put in "late" last year...but missed a word.He actually ran much better later in the year (and Im not just talking about numbers, Im talking about making quicker cuts, not dancing as much, picking up the blitz better).And he looked back to that this past Sunday.I think he has shown more than Morency, Wynn, Herron and so on...so not sure why you don't think he would be on the roster anymore besides his draft position.His play last season was awful and he doesn't look much better in my opinion this year so far. I just don't think he's a good RB and if he wasn't a high draft pick I don't think he'd be on the roster right now.Or Jackson's play last year, the work he did this offseason, and how he has done so far has saved him.Without knowing who the other guy has and all that, it was more than fair even though Edge is fading fast. Rodgers for Grant straight up is heavily tilted in Rodgers' favor right now given how good he has been.With regard to the comment above about the Packers leaning toward a RBBC. They're only doing that because of Grant's injury. If Grant was healthy, he'd clearly be the guy with Jackson being a third-down RB. Grant is a much more talented RB than Jackson (frankly, I think Lumpkin is too and only Jackson's draft status is saving him but that's another discussion). But he's clearly laboring with the hamstring injury and the Packers are doing everything they can to not overwork him early in the year.I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not.
packersfan
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I don't think Jackson is very good. It's that simple.
But this is a thread about Grant. If you want to create a thread about Jackson I'll happily share my thoughts about how awful I think he is and how the Packers should be giving Lumpkin more of an opportunity.
But this is a thread about Grant. If you want to create a thread about Jackson I'll happily share my thoughts about how awful I think he is and how the Packers should be giving Lumpkin more of an opportunity.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Long term prospects is it Jackson or Lumpkin? I have Grant but would have to pay to much for Jackson and picked up Lumpkin instead to stash him for now.
I think Grant is the classic "hold" right now if you have two other RBs you can play.
I think Grant is the classic "hold" right now if you have two other RBs you can play.
jurrassic
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Question of the thread is "Who is trying to buy Grant right now?" "What are you offering?", or if you are a Grant owner "What would you accept for him?"
Is he a buy low, or is the overall consensus that the hamstring will be a season long issue?
I think I could probably acquire him for Perry and Roddy White, I just don't know if I want to.
Is he a buy low, or is the overall consensus that the hamstring will be a season long issue?
I think I could probably acquire him for Perry and Roddy White, I just don't know if I want to.
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jurrassic
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I think it helps, to gauge frustration of current Grant owner, to help lay base for an offer. I also am interested in who has faith that Grant will come back to produce. I like to get a consensus as well. There is a reason a guy is a buy low. It is because he hasn't played well. Last year, for example, I thought S. Moss was a good buy low. The problem is he was low all season.
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AnonymousBob
Footballguy
They help me get a sense of what others value player x at.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
He hasn't played well thanks to a hamstring injury. These are ailments that can be worked through, or something that nags a player through the season. Whether you think Brandon Jackson is an equal or worse back than Grant, it's clear that until Grant fully heals, Jackson's role will be increased from just a 3rd down/COB back. The question on buying low on Grant hinges upon whether you think his injury is going to continue to limit him or not.
nzranger
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Pre wk1 in a $200 cap keeper league, I traded LJ and Driver ($48) for Grant and Cotchery ($16). And I thought I came out ahead on both talent/opportunity and $$$.
Still happy with the trade, have the RB depth that gives me time to let Grant heal. Just hope he doesn't pop it trying to come back to early
I'd buy low on him, I believe his ADP was lowered due to the uncertainty regarding Rogers play as QB, and whether Grant was going to have to face 8 in the box. I think Rogers is certainly doing enough that Def Coord have to respect the pass, so the only real question is the timeframe on his leg. That he is seeing the field is certainly encouraging, but scary if you believe it's not quite right yet.
Still happy with the trade, have the RB depth that gives me time to let Grant heal. Just hope he doesn't pop it trying to come back to early
I'd buy low on him, I believe his ADP was lowered due to the uncertainty regarding Rogers play as QB, and whether Grant was going to have to face 8 in the box. I think Rogers is certainly doing enough that Def Coord have to respect the pass, so the only real question is the timeframe on his leg. That he is seeing the field is certainly encouraging, but scary if you believe it's not quite right yet.
Winning IS Everything
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I am a Grant owner needing WR help with the loss of Colston and I put feelers out that Grant may be available.
Offer 1 I got: I give Grant and Cutler for McGahee and Wes Welker. I could not click no fast enough.
Offer 2 I got: I give Grant and get Welker straight up. I am still considering that one.
So my point is that Grant's value is kind of down now from a non-owners perspective. A healthy Grant should fetch a Fitz/AJ type of WR but that will not fly now.
Offer 1 I got: I give Grant and Cutler for McGahee and Wes Welker. I could not click no fast enough.
Offer 2 I got: I give Grant and get Welker straight up. I am still considering that one.
So my point is that Grant's value is kind of down now from a non-owners perspective. A healthy Grant should fetch a Fitz/AJ type of WR but that will not fly now.
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
The Grant owner in my 12 team, PPR league approached me about a trade. Weekly lineup is qb, 2rb, 3wr, te, def/st, k.
He offered me Grant and Randy McMichael for Felix Jones and Tony Scheffler.
His RB's are Ernie Graham, Kevin Smith, Grant, and Sammy Morris. He Robert Royal as his other TE.
I have Frank Gore, Forte, Edge, and Kenny Watson at RB and Scheffler and Jason Witten as my TE's.
He withdrew the offer after about 8 hours. While I liked the upgrade it offered me at RB, Grant's hammy led me to not act in haste. I like Scheffler as my backup. McMichael and the Rams do not excite me.
He offered me Grant and Randy McMichael for Felix Jones and Tony Scheffler.
His RB's are Ernie Graham, Kevin Smith, Grant, and Sammy Morris. He Robert Royal as his other TE.
I have Frank Gore, Forte, Edge, and Kenny Watson at RB and Scheffler and Jason Witten as my TE's.
He withdrew the offer after about 8 hours. While I liked the upgrade it offered me at RB, Grant's hammy led me to not act in haste. I like Scheffler as my backup. McMichael and the Rams do not excite me.
JamesTheScot
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With my QB's (lost Brady), I'd jump at that.I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Good post.My strategy at my auction was to turn my RB depth into a solid WR to start with Plax. Losing Brady and having Grant pull up lame has really hamstrung me (pardon the pun) on that one.I really need Grant to come along soon though.Pre wk1 in a $200 cap keeper league, I traded LJ and Driver ($48) for Grant and Cotchery ($16). And I thought I came out ahead on both talent/opportunity and $$$. Still happy with the trade, have the RB depth that gives me time to let Grant heal. Just hope he doesn't pop it trying to come back to earlyI'd buy low on him, I believe his ADP was lowered due to the uncertainty regarding Rogers play as QB, and whether Grant was going to have to face 8 in the box. I think Rogers is certainly doing enough that Def Coord have to respect the pass, so the only real question is the timeframe on his leg. That he is seeing the field is certainly encouraging, but scary if you believe it's not quite right yet.
JamesTheScot
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He didn't play well in Week 2 but put up solid rushing yardage numbers in week 1 considering his limited playing time.I have no fear of RBBC with a healthy Grant, but the hamstrung Grant is certainly at risk for that. This is one of those cases where I think the team and the players would be better off just resting the guy for a few weeks and letting him get treatment. My thoughts are that Jackson will be more effective if he gets the lion's share of carries in the game while Grant sits and Grant will be more effective than Jackson when he comes back healthy....of course I have Jackson as Grant's handcuff so I am biased.
Socrates11
Footballguy
The Grant owner in my league just traded him straight up for Houshmandzadeh.
ATC1
Footballguy
My main concern is GB plays Dallas and then Tampa. Two pretty sout defenses. Would now be the right time to buy or after the next two weeks, if I'm ok with my current two starters (Gore, T. Jones)
I have S. Morris and he has Maroney. I was thinking of offering Morris and A. Gonzalez for Grant and Ocho. Two sell highs for two buy lows?
I have S. Morris and he has Maroney. I was thinking of offering Morris and A. Gonzalez for Grant and Ocho. Two sell highs for two buy lows?
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I watched that game and the Lions were obviously keying on Grant whenever he lined up in the backfield, hence the low production from him. Plus he was pulled at the goaline again and I'm not sure why unless his hammy IS that bad right now, but he looks like he wants to stay in the game and he keeps getting pulled by the HC. Jackson does not scare me unless he starts in place of Grant and produces early in games, I doubt he could.Once Grant is healthy(?), then Rodgers will only help by stretching defenses like he has so far. I think Grant has been getting ALOT of respect and attention from D coordinators in the first two weeks of the season and Rodgers is making them pay, at some point this will reverse and Grant will get his production were it was last year (again, that is IF the hammy gets better soon, I think it will).I do think that you were offering too much. I have Grant and am very nervous about his prospects in the short term. His hamstring doesn't appear to beimproving much, if any. His production against the Lions was pathetic, particularly with Jackson producing like he did in that game.I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not.
Being a Grant owner I think he is a great buy low player right now, but I wont give him up cheap because I know things will go his way soon...hopefully
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Two more weeks of hamstring bull-hockey and I'll dump him for a kicker.Socrates11 said:
packersfan
Footballguy
The Packers, though, have one of the league's best offenses. Perhaps the advantage swings in Grant's favor. After all, he looked MUCH better against the better defense he's faced so far through two games this season. I do think this is a good time to Buy Low for Grant if you can do it. I am concerned about the hamstring injury. Those do tend to linger so it's very possible this isn't going to go away anytime soon and perhaps not at all this season. So there's risk involved. However, if you can make a deal without it hurting you with a frustrated Grant owner I think it's worth it because if Grant does get healthy, he has Top 5-10 potential in my opinion as long as Rodgers keeps playing at a high level.ATC1 said:
Just at a quick glance, I think I would have been all over that trade in your position. You only start 1 TE and barring injury and a bye week, Scheffler is never going to replace Witten in your starting lineup. Ryan Grant on the other hand probably would have. What's better to have quality depth at, TE or RB?pghrob said:
packersfan
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I'm not a Grant owner but I'd say no to that. I like White but he's going to be inconsistent with Ryan at QB. Edge looks like he's fading fast. I'd rather hang onto Grant and hope he gets healthy being a key part of an explosive offense.
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
I was tempted, but this is a weekly points league, not head to head. Top score from all 12 teams takes the weekly prize. With PPR, the guy who offered me the trade is not looking good at TE and he can keep Grant on the sidelines with concerns over a sore hamstring and try to figure out whether Kevin Smith or Sammy Smith is his other RB. Basically, I do not see my team getting better with that trade. I lose valuable depth at TE, give more weekly points to another competitor, and invite a lineup headache at RB if and when Grant's hammy get's better. I like Felix's upside and the depth of Scheffler, keeping his weekly production on my bench vs. in an opponent's starting lineup. All those thoughts added up to a pass on this offer.Edited to add: I would be glad to trade Scheffler straight up for a decent WR2-3.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
In a dynasty I am weak at my RB2 slot and I offered Desean Jackson for him straight up. Grant would be my RB2 whereas Jackson is a long ways from being my WR3 with TO, Marshall, and Royal.
sho nuff
Footballguy
He ran the ball at least twice at the goalline before the Driver TD I believe.I watched that game and the Lions were obviously keying on Grant whenever he lined up in the backfield, hence the low production from him. Plus he was pulled at the goaline again and I'm not sure why unless his hammy IS that bad right now, but he looks like he wants to stay in the game and he keeps getting pulled by the HC. Jackson does not scare me unless he starts in place of Grant and produces early in games, I doubt he could.Once Grant is healthy(?), then Rodgers will only help by stretching defenses like he has so far. I think Grant has been getting ALOT of respect and attention from D coordinators in the first two weeks of the season and Rodgers is making them pay, at some point this will reverse and Grant will get his production were it was last year (again, that is IF the hammy gets better soon, I think it will).I do think that you were offering too much. I have Grant and am very nervous about his prospects in the short term. His hamstring doesn't appear to beimproving much, if any. His production against the Lions was pathetic, particularly with Jackson producing like he did in that game.I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not.
Being a Grant owner I think he is a great buy low player right now, but I wont give him up cheap because I know things will go his way soon...hopefully
He did, and he gained yards on both carries before being removed on the two yard line on third down, one more carry gets him in, that was my point, why not just let him take it in on third down since he was gaining yards down there...something didn't look right to me there.He ran the ball at least twice at the goalline before the Driver TD I believe.I watched that game and the Lions were obviously keying on Grant whenever he lined up in the backfield, hence the low production from him. Plus he was pulled at the goaline again and I'm not sure why unless his hammy IS that bad right now, but he looks like he wants to stay in the game and he keeps getting pulled by the HC. Jackson does not scare me unless he starts in place of Grant and produces early in games, I doubt he could.Once Grant is healthy(?), then Rodgers will only help by stretching defenses like he has so far. I think Grant has been getting ALOT of respect and attention from D coordinators in the first two weeks of the season and Rodgers is making them pay, at some point this will reverse and Grant will get his production were it was last year (again, that is IF the hammy gets better soon, I think it will).I do think that you were offering too much. I have Grant and am very nervous about his prospects in the short term. His hamstring doesn't appear to beimproving much, if any. His production against the Lions was pathetic, particularly with Jackson producing like he did in that game.I offered Rodgers (have Cutler) and Edge for Grant and was turned down. I thought that was more than fair, and that I was maybe even giving up too much, but apparently not.
Being a Grant owner I think he is a great buy low player right now, but I wont give him up cheap because I know things will go his way soon...hopefully
