Apple v. US Government (1 Viewer)

[lod01]

Bunch of idiots. http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/unlocked-iphone-worthless-after-f-b-i-spills-glass-of-water-on-it

Moments after successfully unlocking the San Bernardino iPhone, the F.B.I. rendered the phone permanently useless by spilling a glass of water on it, an F.B.I. spokesman confirmed on Tuesday.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Bunch of idiots. http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/unlocked-iphone-worthless-after-f-b-i-spills-glass-of-water-on-it

Moments after successfully unlocking the San Bernardino iPhone, the F.B.I. rendered the phone permanently useless by spilling a glass of water on it, an F.B.I. spokesman confirmed on Tuesday.

Thought that was for serious.

 

[lod01]

Thought that was for serious.

Oops. looks like it was.

 

[lod01]

Ok these Apple idiots won't work with the gov't on cracking the phone. Gov't cracks the phone. These hammerheads want the govt' to tell them how they did it. That is rich.

####### idiots. Now I hate them (apple) even more.

 

[matttyl]

Ok these Apple idiots won't work with the gov't on cracking the phone. Gov't cracks the phone. These hammerheads want the govt' to tell them how they did it. That is rich.

####### idiots. Now I hate them (apple) even more.

Isn't this just doing their due-diligence to see 1) if the FBI is lying, or 2) to see if there is a security hole in their product?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Ok these Apple idiots won't work with the gov't on cracking the phone. Gov't cracks the phone. These hammerheads want the govt' to tell them how they did it. That is rich.

####### idiots. Now I hate them (apple) even more.

I'm not sure you should be calling anyone an idiot unless you are looking in the mirror

 

[cstu]

Huh. Its almost like the FBI flat out lied about what it needed from Apple because it wanted a master program that lets them break into all iPhones. 

I took it as the government knowing they can hack into any iPhone they want but for public relations purposes they wanted give the pretense that hacking it themselves was a last resort.

 

[Bucky86]

I took it as the government knowing they can hack into any iPhone they want but for public relations purposes they wanted give the pretense that hacking it themselves was a last resort.

Wasn't it also about getting a court ruling on the record for future cases which could require Apple to unlock phones. More for non-terrorist related cases. Definitely a slippery slope for sure.

 

[RCon]

Wasn't it also about getting a court ruling on the record for future cases which could require Apple to unlock phones. More for non-terrorist related cases. Definitely a slippery slope for sure.

Correct. Notice that they managed to hack it themselves almost immediately after a judge ruled against them.

 

[The Commish]

As I said...if code is written, it can be hacked.  So much for Apple pounding it's chest over security.  iOS isn't one of those environments that is a fortress of defense.  The government looks stupid (at least to me) for wasting all this time and energy instead of doing the needful and just breaking into it themselves (or hiring someone to do it).  If it's an outside group/person, I'm charging Apple a pretty penny for the "how to" but I'm pretty sure Apple knows the answer already and have known this whole time.

 

[Statcruncher]

I took it as the government knowing they can hack into any iPhone they want but for public relations purposes they wanted give the pretense that hacking it themselves was a last resort.

In hindsight it almost looks like the government was giving Apple the chance to foster "goodwill" by cooperating in gathering information in a high profile murder investigation. All the while intimating that the iPhone is an extremely secure device. The instantaneous cracking of the phone brings to light that getting access to the data on that phone wasn't their only objective.

I totally understand why Apple resisted and not only applaud them but think they did the right thing. Unfortunately the only thing the masses will probably remember from this is that Apple wouldn't help a murder investigation and iPhones can be cracked as easily as dropping an egg on concrete. Apple was really in no win situation here.

 

[Bucky86]

In hindsight it almost looks like the government was giving Apple the chance to foster "goodwill" by cooperating in gathering information in a high profile murder investigation. All the while intimating that the iPhone is an extremely secure device. The instantaneous cracking of the phone brings to light that getting access to the data on that phone wasn't their only objective.

I totally understand why Apple resisted and not only applaud them but think they did the right thing. Unfortunately the only thing the masses will probably remember from this is that Apple wouldn't help a murder investigation and iPhones can be cracked as easily as dropping an egg on concrete. Apple was really in no win situation here.

According to this article, Apple has already unlocked over 70 phones for the FBI. This suit was purely about setting legal precedent for Apple to give/create t the backdoor coding to unlock phones for ANY investigation. Not just matters of national security. The public suit was nothing more than to publicly shame Apple and figured the case was going to be a slam dunk to set this precedent. Good for Apple to stand up to them.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Unfortunately the only thing the masses will probably remember from this is that Apple wouldn't help a murder investigation and iPhones can be cracked as easily as dropping an egg on concrete. Apple was really in no win situation here.

Funny. I feel the exact opposite. The thing I will remember is Apple standing up to an overreaching government and doing the right thing. And that Apple and other tech companies will now work even harder to encrypt our data. While any code is potentially vulnerable, it isn't going to be easy for the average joe or even very above average joe. It's actually very unlikely that my iPhone will be hacked, especially if it's in my pocket. Apple, and thus the generally law-abiding American public, wins. 

So yeah, pretty much the polar opposite of your opinion. America rules. 

 

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Funny. I feel the exact opposite. The thing I will remember is Apple standing up to an overreaching government and doing the right thing. And that Apple and other tech companies will now work even harder to encrypt our data. While any code is potentially vulnerable, it isn't going to be easy for the average joe or even very above average joe. It's actually very unlikely that my iPhone will be hacked, especially if it's in my pocket. Apple, and thus the generally law-abiding American public, wins. 

So yeah, pretty much the polar opposite of your opinion. America rules. 

This. 

 

[Statcruncher]

Congratulations, you are not one of the masses.

 

[Shutout]

I think Cook's position on this is right - if Apple builds it for this one-time only use - its already too late.  That master key will get out, and that compromises the data security on all iphones.

And, from a business perspective, the industry is clearly moving towards smart-phones replacing almost everything - certainly credit cards and the like.  

I hear X-File music.  Conspiracy theories abound. 

You'd better believe though that this will be the catalyst for driving Apple over the next couple of product cycles.  We are going to hear a lot about "the most secure phone in the world" in the coming year or so.

I tend to agree with the person above who said if it's written into code it can be hacked. That makes sense.   

 

[The Commish]

Unfortunately the only thing the masses will probably remember from this is that Apple wouldn't help a murder investigation and iPhones can be cracked as easily as dropping an egg on concrete. Apple was really in no win situation here.

Funny. I feel the exact opposite. The thing I will remember is Apple standing up to an overreaching government and doing the right thing. And that Apple and other tech companies will now work even harder to encrypt our data. While any code is potentially vulnerable, it isn't going to be easy for the average joe or even very above average joe. It's actually very unlikely that my iPhone will be hacked, especially if it's in my pocket. Apple, and thus the generally law-abiding American public, wins. 

So yeah, pretty much the polar opposite of your opinion. America rules. 

Why can't we remember all of it?  It's all true  The gov't was doing their typical  overreach and Apple said no so the gov't (or some vendor/guy they hired) proceeded to hack it showing us what we already knew.  

 

[Chadstroma]

Is it really going to change anything for Apple? Apple fanboys will buy Apple products with no change and if you weren't a fanboy before you likely wont change into one- with or without all this drama.