Are Firesales A Problem (1 Viewer)

[stp-d]

Can't say enough about this league, high activity, very strategic, few guppies, just great... but IMO we may have run into a problem

3 Vet & 1 Rookie Keeper Auction Draft - 14 Teams

Keepers go up $5 or 25% each season, whichever is more

5 years old great local Draft league with alot of FBG members & several Fantasy Football entrepreneurs

Week 3 trade

Jamaal Charles $14 & Sam Bradford $11

for

Drew Brees $51 & Mark Ingram $46

Other auction prices for reference

Romo $37, Joe Flacco $11 & Josh Freeman $12

Peterson $81 & Matt Forte $60 & Mathews $45

We've never seen a firesale trade like this so early in the season... usually late Oct, early Nov is the norm to unload high salary guys for potential keepers. The guy trading away Brees & Ingram has Orton, Henne at QB, and Daniel Thomas, Helu, Torain, Taiwan Jones at RB... His WR's & TE's are Austin Miles $13, Dwayne Bowe $43, Lance Moore $20 & Vernon Davis $17. Some of us think this guy is looking at alot of losses due to QB & RB.

We've survived late season firesale trades for keepers like

2010 Sjax & Larry Fitzgerald for Tampa Mike ($13)

2010 Marshall & Gore for Mendy ($21)

2010 Andre Johnson for Finley ($7), Bradford ($6) & Royal ($8)

Is a week 3 firesale trade gonna have a much larger impact than a week 10-12 trade? Is this trade really as bad some of us think considering the longterm value of Charles at $19 in 2012, $24 in 2013?

 

[Jersey35]

I honestly don't see the problem. Charles may never be the same. Team A gets a discount for absorbing that risk.

 

[xrayveggin]

I think the question of a guy abandoning this season to have a better monetary position next season is a choice he is free to make.

The only concern I have when I see this trade is will the player receiving Brees and Ingram be at an incredibly imbalanced advantage compared to the rest of the league, but if he just lost Charles, it's is hard to know if that will be the case.

 

[mr roboto]

It's a legit strategy, as long as the seller gets nothing in the buyer wins (under the table).

 

[Captain Hook]

Nothing wrong conceptually with the trade....................BUT this is why many auction keeper leagues have an in season salary cap (should be 15-20% higher than the auction budget)

 

[stp-d]

Nothing wrong conceptually with the trade....................BUT this is why many auction keeper leagues have an in season salary cap (should be 15-20% higher than the auction budget)

Good info

 

[Topes]

I don't see the problem.

No problem at all.

In an auction keeper league, a player's salary is a significant factor in a player's value. Such trades only look unbalanced when one only looks at the players, ignoring their salaries. When salaries are factored in (as they should be), these trades come much closer to even value trades.

As mentioned above, some auction keeper leagues have an in-season salary cap to mitigate such issues. In my experience, that's not the best recourse. It invites more complicated trades, to get under the cap, which more folks then complain about. An in-season salary cap is not bad in and of itself.

But creating one to mitigate trades that appear unbalanced in an auction keeper league is (in my estimation) one of those slippery-slope, reactionary fantasy football rules that can lead to cascading qualifiers and escalators and other such nonsense. The pursuit of the elusive "fairness" has ruined many a good fantasy league. So long as everybody is playing by the same rules and everybody is able to understand the rules, a league us as fair as it needs to be.

 

[dwarfboy]

Two expensive keepers for two cheap keepers seems fine to me. We get these kinds of deals all the time in pretty similar league set up.

 

[Ping Pong]

These are the exact types of trades that should be allowed, and that add another wrinkle to the game. Real sports teams do this all the time, why shouldn't we be allowed to?

 

[AngryPatriot]

someone in our league just traded 2 1st rd rookie picks and Hardesty for Chris Johnson... seems like a bargain.

I think they can be a problem in upsetting the balance in a seemingly unfair way, it's aslo only week 2!