Are the Giants a "dirty" team (1 Viewer)

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________________________________________________________________________________________The focus of cheap talk Packers well versed in tactics used by GiantsBy GREG BEDARDgbedard@journalsentinel.comPosted: Jan. 16, 2008Green Bay - Aaron Kampman didn't want to talk about it Wednesday. He took the rather diplomatic approach of not providing the New York Giants with anything that could be deemed bulletin-board material. But what happened to Kampman during the Week 2 matchup with the Giants - and the immediate aftermath - said all that needed to be said.About the Giants and their style of play. And what the Packers are going to contend with in Sunday's NFC Championship Game.With 3 minutes 22 seconds remaining in the Packers' 35-13 victory at Giants Stadium, Kampman was blocked to the ground by Giants center Shaun O'Hara. As backup quarterback Jared Lorenzen was sacked, Kampman started to get up when O'Hara delivered a forceful forearm to the back of Kampman's neck.Kampman, one of the most gentlemanly players in the game, responded by flipping O'Hara on his back and nearly punching him. But Kampman had the self control to stop himself. After the game, however, Kampman's displeasure couldn't be halted."I had a player that did something real dirty to me," Kampman said after that game. "This was stuff that he shouldn't be doing and he won't do it again."O'Hara was not in the Giants' locker room Wednesday in New York. No matter, really. The Giants' method of operation - tough, physical football that approaches the line of dirty play - is no secret in NFL circles."I'm going to tell you, we saw it on film," New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison said after facing the Giants in the regular-season finale. "It wasn't no secret. They push, they hit late, they come at you and try to take you out. That's the way they play."Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. When Harrison - who has twice been voted the league's dirtiest player in a player poll conducted by Sports Illustrated - questions your tactics, then you've arrived if your goal is to be a physical team.And that's exactly what the Giants try to do, week in and week out. And their game plan against the Packers will be no different. Not in the least."I think this is going to be the most physical game that any of us have ever played to this point," Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress said. "It is going to be physical even when guys are lying on the ground with guys taking cheap shots and things like that. This is the game to get to the Super Bowl and this is the game that you have to win to get there. It is just going to be a tough game all the way around."The Packers' coaches, especially on defense, have been warning their players all week about keeping their cool against the Giants."It's a big emphasis, especially with so much being on the line in the game," said defensive end Cullen Jenkins. "We're aware that they do that stuff and we expect them to try it again. It's just up to us to keep our cool and not give them anything cheap. That's what they want to do - they want to bait you into giving them the 15 yards. We just have to keep our cool, you know? Not let it happen."Jenkins is hearing the lesson loud and clear this week. Against the Giants, he got into skirmishes on three occasions and one, a retaliation against O'Hara for a two-handed punch to the face, drew a 15-yard personal foul penalty.Linebacker Brady Poppinga also was flagged for a personal foul after he retaliated against Burress for hitting an unsuspecting A.J. Hawk from behind after the play was over - on the second play of the game.Of the six personal-foul penalties the Packers were assessed this season, two were against the Giants.Then there was the play where wide receiver Amani Toomer, after being shoved by linebacker Nick Barnett, tried to get revenge by diving at Barnett's knees."That's how they play," said defensive tackle Ryan Pickett. "They do a little extra stuff after the whistle, things like that. It's a part of football, but they seem to do a little extra. You've got to keep your eyes on them. We just have to take it to them, not sit back and wait, because they get you on fouls and things like that. It's stuff we've seen all year, but they do it as a group."The first time around, the Packers didn't face running back Brandon Jacobs due to injury. But they are well aware of his trash-talking tendencies after he was involved in a handful of post-play confrontations in last week's victory over the Dallas Cowboys.The Packers have seen the film. They have been warned by their coaches. Now it's up to them to follow Kampman's lead and resist the Giants' bait."Oh yeah, they do some stuff after the whistle," said defensive tackle Corey Williams. "We're going to beat them between the whistles. We ain't going to take no cheap shots at them. The shots we're going to take at them are going to be legal shots. They'll be hard, but they'll be legal."

Sounds like the Packers better watch for some cheap shot from the Giants. First I'd heard of this, but it sounds like it is pretty well known around the league.

 

[Avery]

So let me get this straight.

The local beat reporter for the Giants opponent for the NFL championship says the Giants play dirty and found confirmation from couple of players playing the Giants and one of the dirtiest players in the NFL?

Pass the salt...

 

[Sabertooth]

So let me get this straight.The local beat reporter for the Giants opponent for the NFL championship says the Giants play dirty and found confirmation from couple of players playing the Giants and one of the dirtiest players in the NFL?Pass the salt...

Get what straight? Sounds like the Giants played dirty the last time the Packers played. If Rodney Harrison calls them dirty, what does that say about them? Tells me that the Packers better watch their knees.

 

[Bri]

There's alot of dirty play between linemen, always has been. This year's no different

 

[Avery]

So let me get this straight.

The local beat reporter for the Giants opponent for the NFL championship says the Giants play dirty and found confirmation from couple of players playing the Giants and one of the dirtiest players in the NFL?

Pass the salt...

Get what straight? Sounds like the Giants played dirty the last time the Packers played. If Rodney Harrison calls them dirty, what does that say about them? Tells me that the Packers better watch their knees.

Sounds like a local beat reporter is trying to stir things up.As far as Harrison, if someone cheats on their taxes or steals office supplies from work, they often come in with the rationalization of "Everybody does it."

As far as any truth to the story, I have been following the Giants for quite some time, and althought there is some grabbing and pulling in the trenches like all teams, the Giants do not have a reputation for being dirty.

Edit to add: Just re-read the story and the slant is so locally biased it's ridiculous. Using facts like the Packers committing more personal fouls against the Giants as proof that the Giants play dirty is an extreme example having a position and finding facts to justify it, rather than looking at facts and coming to a conclusion after the fact.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

The only team, the last couple of years, that i have heard called cheap shot takers are the Titans. I don't think the Giants have that reputation.

 

[bcr8f]

There's alot of dirty play between linemen, always has been. This year's no different

Burress smacking Hawk from behind is lineman play? Did you raed the whole thing?It's one more thing to think about besides the game. Maybe the Packers should turn off the Giants heaters. "Sorry the visitors locker room heaters are on the fritz" Or this- "I think this is going to be the most physical game that any of us have ever played to this point," Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress said. "It is going to be physical even when guys are lying on the ground with guys taking cheap shots and things like that. This is the game to get to the Super Bowl and this is the game that you have to win to get there. It is just going to be a tough game all the way around."

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

LAWL at Rodney Harrison saying anybody hits late, that they push and try to take you out.

That is the definition of Rodney Harrison.

 

[milo66]

Sounds to me like the Giants may be getting into the Packers' heads a little bit. While the Packers are fretting about the unfairness of it all, Burress comes off sounding mentally prepared and ready to go.

Should be an interesting game.

 

[Banger]

No.

 

[Two Deep]

Brandon Jacobs is an ###hole, always pushing and shoving aftre the play. Mark my words he will end up getting a personal foul or unnecessary roughness penalty against the Packers costing his team 15.

Did that son-of a b**ch ever get fined for throwing the ball at the play clock. He should have been penalized for that.

 

[Mik789fl]

Sounds to me like the Giants may be getting into the Packers' heads a little bit. While the Packers are fretting about the unfairness of it all, Burress comes off sounding mentally prepared and ready to go.Should be an interesting game.

Good point. All I'm hearing from the Packer side is bit@ing and moaning. Players getting smacked late in an NFL game,IMAGINE THAT! I'll bet O'Hara and Plastico were the first players EVER to do that! The Cowboys got distracted,it looks like The Pack are spending time on the wrong things also. SIENFELD! I smell something bad in Green Bay and it's not cheese. The Giants are looking better and better as the game nears. imop.

 

[Koya]

Granted, Giants fan here, but I have NEVER heard of this accusation before now.

 

[discofan]

Rodney Harrison called them "dirty" .

 

[56]

What a goofy article. I'm pretty sure that the Giants were one of the least penalized teams in the NFL this year.

 

[Bankerguy]

A Cowboys fan's opinion...........I personally just don't see it. Not a dirty team. I would say some of the Giants are annoying (Strahan, Jacobs, Shockey)....they don't strike me as dirty. Jacobs just thinks he's a tough guy.

 

[Road Warriors]

LAWL at Rodney Harrison saying anybody hits late, that they push and try to take you out. That is the definition of Rodney Harrison.

So he would recognize it, then.

 

[Ghost Rider]

LAWL at Rodney Harrison saying anybody hits late, that they push and try to take you out.

That is the definition of Rodney Harrison.

I'm pretty sure that the Giants were one of the least penalized teams in the NFL this year.

Without giving too much credence to the charges, dirty play doesn't always get penalized.

 

[Sabertooth]

Sounds to me like the Giants may be getting into the Packers' heads a little bit. While the Packers are fretting about the unfairness of it all, Burress comes off sounding mentally prepared and ready to go.Should be an interesting game.

Good point. All I'm hearing from the Packer side is bit@ing and moaning. Players getting smacked late in an NFL game,IMAGINE THAT! I'll bet O'Hara and Plastico were the first players EVER to do that! The Cowboys got distracted,it looks like The Pack are spending time on the wrong things also. SIENFELD! I smell something bad in Green Bay and it's not cheese. The Giants are looking better and better as the game nears. imop.

The Seinfeld thing was a fan, not a member of the team.

 

[timintey]

Did that son-of a b**ch ever get fined for throwing the ball at the play clock. He should have been penalized for that.

Are you serious? "Unnecessary roughness on the play clock"

 

[Two Deep]

Did that son-of a b**ch ever get fined for throwing the ball at the play clock. He should have been penalized for that.

Are you serious? "Unnecessary roughness on the play clock"

No unnecessary showing of ones ###.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Sounds to me like the Giants may be getting into the Packers' heads a little bit. While the Packers are fretting about the unfairness of it all, Burress comes off sounding mentally prepared and ready to go.Should be an interesting game.

Good point. All I'm hearing from the Packer side is bit@ing and moaning. Players getting smacked late in an NFL game,IMAGINE THAT! I'll bet O'Hara and Plastico were the first players EVER to do that! The Cowboys got distracted,it looks like The Pack are spending time on the wrong things also. SIENFELD! I smell something bad in Green Bay and it's not cheese. The Giants are looking better and better as the game nears. imop.

This is just a silly statement.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Sounds to me like the Giants may be getting into the Packers' heads a little bit. While the Packers are fretting about the unfairness of it all, Burress comes off sounding mentally prepared and ready to go.

Should be an interesting game.

Good point. All I'm hearing from the Packer side is bit@ing and moaning. Players getting smacked late in an NFL game,IMAGINE THAT! I'll bet O'Hara and Plastico were the first players EVER to do that! The Cowboys got distracted,it looks like The Pack are spending time on the wrong things also. SIENFELD! I smell something bad in Green Bay and it's not cheese. The Giants are looking better and better as the game nears. imop.

Really, I have seen any number of Packer players and coaches in print and on video saying they are looking foreward to a great game. They have studiously noted that the Giants were very shorthanded when the faced off in week two, and that they expect that game was not at all indicative of the team they are about to face. I thought there generally has been mutual respect and a lack of trash talking, particularly given the potential provided by the week two score. Both teams have acknowledged the others proud history. One article from a local beat writer shouldn't change that, but in your mind it apparently now dominates the information flow. No matter. Enjoy the game.

 

[BLOX]

The Packers are distracted? By what? An article that none of them wrote?

The reporters ask the questions, the players answer. Since the playoffs began the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has increases the number of Packer stories almost 3X from the regular season. It's nothing. I don't think the Packers are losing any sleep over someone hitting them late.

 

[super sleeper]

So the basis of this article is that the Giants are dirty because a) 33% of the Packer's personal fouls came in one game against the Giants, b) the dirtiest player in the league says so, and c) one of their players, who was involved in three fights in the game, says so. Ok. Any real journalism up there in Wisconsin?

Sure sounds to me like the Giants are in the Packers heads. Also sounds like the Packer fans are preparing their excuses for the possibility they could lose.

Look, the Giants aren't the most glamorous team, and they've had an up and down season, but if they beat the Pack on Sunday, it will be because they are a much better team than they were in Week 2 and because they are peaking at the right time.

 

[H.K.]

Did that son-of a b**ch ever get fined for throwing the ball at the play clock. He should have been penalized for that.

Are you serious? "Unnecessary roughness on the play clock"

No unnecessary showing of ones ###.

Jacobs only had four rushing TD's on the season. I think he can be excused for not knowing how to act in that rare occurance when he actually gets to the end zone.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

So the basis of this article is that the Giants are dirty because a) 33% of the Packer's personal fouls came in one game against the Giants, b) the dirtiest player in the league says so, and c) one of their players, who was involved in three fights in the game, says so. Ok. Any real journalism up there in Wisconsin?Sure sounds to me like the Giants are in the Packers heads. Also sounds like the Packer fans are preparing their excuses for the possibility they could lose. Look, the Giants aren't the most glamorous team, and they've had an up and down season, but if they beat the Pack on Sunday, it will be because they are a much better team than they were in Week 2 and because they are peaking at the right time.

No question the Giants now are not the same team the Packers faced in week two, Among the best summaries I have seen in that regard came from Mike McCarthy in his Sunday press conference where he noted that Eli was hurt in week two, as was Jacobs, and that the Giants defense was still in the process of being learned and that Strahan was not then fully integrated into the plan. I don't recall now whether he also referred to Buress's injury. As a Packer fan I did not need that reminder. I was happy for the win in week two, but I have seen the Giants step it up since then. The story of their injuries is well documented, though the story of them overcoming them against Dallas has not really been emphasized. It does look like your guys are regaining health, though your C.B.'s will have to gut it out and will not be 100% come Sunday.My hope is that the Packers also have grown since that early meeting. They have found a running game now they did not have then, Their receivers are much more healthy. Their o-line has come together. I just wish the entire d-line rotation was available against a beast like Jacobs and the speed of Bradshaw, but the Packers are as healthy righ tnow as any team has a right to be.I expect a good game. I also expect that due to passions the relative civility of th epast week will break down some. Disappointment will lead to bitterness for some ardent fans. Regardless I expect the majority of the backers for each team to handle both success and failure with dignity. No question though that in fan bases so large and ardent there will be exceptions to the rule.Good Luck. Your season thus far has been quite an impressive ride.

 

[jscout]

Did that son-of a b**ch ever get fined for throwing the ball at the play clock. He should have been penalized for that.

No, but I heard the Cowboys sent him a bill for the light bulb he broke in the play clock. :X

 

[wharf rat]

________________________________________________________________________________________The focus of cheap talk Packers well versed in tactics used by GiantsBy GREG BEDARDgbedard@journalsentinel.comPosted: Jan. 16, 2008Green Bay - Aaron Kampman didn't want to talk about it Wednesday. He took the rather diplomatic approach of not providing the New York Giants with anything that could be deemed bulletin-board material. But what happened to Kampman during the Week 2 matchup with the Giants - and the immediate aftermath - said all that needed to be said.About the Giants and their style of play. And what the Packers are going to contend with in Sunday's NFC Championship Game.With 3 minutes 22 seconds remaining in the Packers' 35-13 victory at Giants Stadium, Kampman was blocked to the ground by Giants center Shaun O'Hara. As backup quarterback Jared Lorenzen was sacked, Kampman started to get up when O'Hara delivered a forceful forearm to the back of Kampman's neck.Kampman, one of the most gentlemanly players in the game, responded by flipping O'Hara on his back and nearly punching him. But Kampman had the self control to stop himself. After the game, however, Kampman's displeasure couldn't be halted."I had a player that did something real dirty to me," Kampman said after that game. "This was stuff that he shouldn't be doing and he won't do it again."O'Hara was not in the Giants' locker room Wednesday in New York. No matter, really. The Giants' method of operation - tough, physical football that approaches the line of dirty play - is no secret in NFL circles."I'm going to tell you, we saw it on film," New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison said after facing the Giants in the regular-season finale. "It wasn't no secret. They push, they hit late, they come at you and try to take you out. That's the way they play."Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. When Harrison - who has twice been voted the league's dirtiest player in a player poll conducted by Sports Illustrated - questions your tactics, then you've arrived if your goal is to be a physical team.And that's exactly what the Giants try to do, week in and week out. And their game plan against the Packers will be no different. Not in the least."I think this is going to be the most physical game that any of us have ever played to this point," Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress said. "It is going to be physical even when guys are lying on the ground with guys taking cheap shots and things like that. This is the game to get to the Super Bowl and this is the game that you have to win to get there. It is just going to be a tough game all the way around."The Packers' coaches, especially on defense, have been warning their players all week about keeping their cool against the Giants."It's a big emphasis, especially with so much being on the line in the game," said defensive end Cullen Jenkins. "We're aware that they do that stuff and we expect them to try it again. It's just up to us to keep our cool and not give them anything cheap. That's what they want to do - they want to bait you into giving them the 15 yards. We just have to keep our cool, you know? Not let it happen."Jenkins is hearing the lesson loud and clear this week. Against the Giants, he got into skirmishes on three occasions and one, a retaliation against O'Hara for a two-handed punch to the face, drew a 15-yard personal foul penalty.Linebacker Brady Poppinga also was flagged for a personal foul after he retaliated against Burress for hitting an unsuspecting A.J. Hawk from behind after the play was over - on the second play of the game.Of the six personal-foul penalties the Packers were assessed this season, two were against the Giants.Then there was the play where wide receiver Amani Toomer, after being shoved by linebacker Nick Barnett, tried to get revenge by diving at Barnett's knees."That's how they play," said defensive tackle Ryan Pickett. "They do a little extra stuff after the whistle, things like that. It's a part of football, but they seem to do a little extra. You've got to keep your eyes on them. We just have to take it to them, not sit back and wait, because they get you on fouls and things like that. It's stuff we've seen all year, but they do it as a group."The first time around, the Packers didn't face running back Brandon Jacobs due to injury. But they are well aware of his trash-talking tendencies after he was involved in a handful of post-play confrontations in last week's victory over the Dallas Cowboys.The Packers have seen the film. They have been warned by their coaches. Now it's up to them to follow Kampman's lead and resist the Giants' bait."Oh yeah, they do some stuff after the whistle," said defensive tackle Corey Williams. "We're going to beat them between the whistles. We ain't going to take no cheap shots at them. The shots we're going to take at them are going to be legal shots. They'll be hard, but they'll be legal."

Sounds like the Packers better watch for some cheap shot from the Giants. First I'd heard of this, but it sounds like it is pretty well known around the league.

 

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________________________________________________________________________________________The focus of cheap talk Packers well versed in tactics used by GiantsBy GREG BEDARDgbedard@journalsentinel.comPosted: Jan. 16, 2008Green Bay - Aaron Kampman didn't want to talk about it Wednesday. He took the rather diplomatic approach of not providing the New York Giants with anything that could be deemed bulletin-board material. But what happened to Kampman during the Week 2 matchup with the Giants - and the immediate aftermath - said all that needed to be said.About the Giants and their style of play. And what the Packers are going to contend with in Sunday's NFC Championship Game.With 3 minutes 22 seconds remaining in the Packers' 35-13 victory at Giants Stadium, Kampman was blocked to the ground by Giants center Shaun O'Hara. As backup quarterback Jared Lorenzen was sacked, Kampman started to get up when O'Hara delivered a forceful forearm to the back of Kampman's neck.Kampman, one of the most gentlemanly players in the game, responded by flipping O'Hara on his back and nearly punching him. But Kampman had the self control to stop himself. After the game, however, Kampman's displeasure couldn't be halted."I had a player that did something real dirty to me," Kampman said after that game. "This was stuff that he shouldn't be doing and he won't do it again."O'Hara was not in the Giants' locker room Wednesday in New York. No matter, really. The Giants' method of operation - tough, physical football that approaches the line of dirty play - is no secret in NFL circles."I'm going to tell you, we saw it on film," New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison said after facing the Giants in the regular-season finale. "It wasn't no secret. They push, they hit late, they come at you and try to take you out. That's the way they play."Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. When Harrison - who has twice been voted the league's dirtiest player in a player poll conducted by Sports Illustrated - questions your tactics, then you've arrived if your goal is to be a physical team.And that's exactly what the Giants try to do, week in and week out. And their game plan against the Packers will be no different. Not in the least."I think this is going to be the most physical game that any of us have ever played to this point," Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress said. "It is going to be physical even when guys are lying on the ground with guys taking cheap shots and things like that. This is the game to get to the Super Bowl and this is the game that you have to win to get there. It is just going to be a tough game all the way around."The Packers' coaches, especially on defense, have been warning their players all week about keeping their cool against the Giants."It's a big emphasis, especially with so much being on the line in the game," said defensive end Cullen Jenkins. "We're aware that they do that stuff and we expect them to try it again. It's just up to us to keep our cool and not give them anything cheap. That's what they want to do - they want to bait you into giving them the 15 yards. We just have to keep our cool, you know? Not let it happen."Jenkins is hearing the lesson loud and clear this week. Against the Giants, he got into skirmishes on three occasions and one, a retaliation against O'Hara for a two-handed punch to the face, drew a 15-yard personal foul penalty.Linebacker Brady Poppinga also was flagged for a personal foul after he retaliated against Burress for hitting an unsuspecting A.J. Hawk from behind after the play was over - on the second play of the game.Of the six personal-foul penalties the Packers were assessed this season, two were against the Giants.Then there was the play where wide receiver Amani Toomer, after being shoved by linebacker Nick Barnett, tried to get revenge by diving at Barnett's knees."That's how they play," said defensive tackle Ryan Pickett. "They do a little extra stuff after the whistle, things like that. It's a part of football, but they seem to do a little extra. You've got to keep your eyes on them. We just have to take it to them, not sit back and wait, because they get you on fouls and things like that. It's stuff we've seen all year, but they do it as a group."The first time around, the Packers didn't face running back Brandon Jacobs due to injury. But they are well aware of his trash-talking tendencies after he was involved in a handful of post-play confrontations in last week's victory over the Dallas Cowboys.The Packers have seen the film. They have been warned by their coaches. Now it's up to them to follow Kampman's lead and resist the Giants' bait."Oh yeah, they do some stuff after the whistle," said defensive tackle Corey Williams. "We're going to beat them between the whistles. We ain't going to take no cheap shots at them. The shots we're going to take at them are going to be legal shots. They'll be hard, but they'll be legal."

Sounds like the Packers better watch for some cheap shot from the Giants. First I'd heard of this, but it sounds like it is pretty well known around the league.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I would not call the Giants a "dirty team", but definitley remember Burress' cheap shot on Hawk and was glad that Poppinga stepped in at the time, even though he got flagged on the play. The Giants' center was having a tough day and was acting like a fool all game, but I don't recall the late hit on Kampman or anything else I considered cheap or dirty. None of this matters for Sunday - its all completely irrelevant.

 

[Tanner9919]

So let me get this straight.

The local beat reporter for the Giants opponent for the NFL championship says the Giants play dirty and found confirmation from couple of players playing the Giants and one of the dirtiest players in the NFL?

Pass the salt...

Get what straight? Sounds like the Giants played dirty the last time the Packers played. If Rodney Harrison calls them dirty, what does that say about them? Tells me that the Packers better watch their knees.

do you really watch football games? the terms in this sentence 'Rodney Harrison calls them dirty' are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE...ever WATCH Harrison play? here's a guy who's been caught with roids or HGH in his system, and suspended because of it..so I find the fact that Harrison calls anyone out for 'cheating' absolutely LAUGHABLE.

Harrison does more stuff to opponents AFTER a play is whistled dead than anyone not named Jon Runyan..

he starts crap with opposing coaches, players, etc..he's a sneaky *@#$*@$ who feels he needs to cheat to win ( roids and/or HGH).

give me a break dude!

 

[netnalp]

I've never heard of the Giants being a dirty team. Even back in the days of LT, Banks, Marshall, Carson and Pepper, they didn't have a bad rep even with the Theisman injury and the whalloping of Montana.

 

[Liquid Tension]

________________________________________________________________________________________The focus of cheap talk Packers well versed in tactics used by GiantsBy GREG BEDARDgbedard@journalsentinel.comPosted: Jan. 16, 2008Green Bay - Aaron Kampman didn't want to talk about it Wednesday. He took the rather diplomatic approach of not providing the New York Giants with anything that could be deemed bulletin-board material. But what happened to Kampman during the Week 2 matchup with the Giants - and the immediate aftermath - said all that needed to be said.About the Giants and their style of play. And what the Packers are going to contend with in Sunday's NFC Championship Game.With 3 minutes 22 seconds remaining in the Packers' 35-13 victory at Giants Stadium, Kampman was blocked to the ground by Giants center Shaun O'Hara. As backup quarterback Jared Lorenzen was sacked, Kampman started to get up when O'Hara delivered a forceful forearm to the back of Kampman's neck.Kampman, one of the most gentlemanly players in the game, responded by flipping O'Hara on his back and nearly punching him. But Kampman had the self control to stop himself. After the game, however, Kampman's displeasure couldn't be halted."I had a player that did something real dirty to me," Kampman said after that game. "This was stuff that he shouldn't be doing and he won't do it again."O'Hara was not in the Giants' locker room Wednesday in New York. No matter, really. The Giants' method of operation - tough, physical football that approaches the line of dirty play - is no secret in NFL circles."I'm going to tell you, we saw it on film," New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison said after facing the Giants in the regular-season finale. "It wasn't no secret. They push, they hit late, they come at you and try to take you out. That's the way they play."Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. When Harrison - who has twice been voted the league's dirtiest player in a player poll conducted by Sports Illustrated - questions your tactics, then you've arrived if your goal is to be a physical team.And that's exactly what the Giants try to do, week in and week out. And their game plan against the Packers will be no different. Not in the least."I think this is going to be the most physical game that any of us have ever played to this point," Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress said. "It is going to be physical even when guys are lying on the ground with guys taking cheap shots and things like that. This is the game to get to the Super Bowl and this is the game that you have to win to get there. It is just going to be a tough game all the way around."The Packers' coaches, especially on defense, have been warning their players all week about keeping their cool against the Giants."It's a big emphasis, especially with so much being on the line in the game," said defensive end Cullen Jenkins. "We're aware that they do that stuff and we expect them to try it again. It's just up to us to keep our cool and not give them anything cheap. That's what they want to do - they want to bait you into giving them the 15 yards. We just have to keep our cool, you know? Not let it happen."Jenkins is hearing the lesson loud and clear this week. Against the Giants, he got into skirmishes on three occasions and one, a retaliation against O'Hara for a two-handed punch to the face, drew a 15-yard personal foul penalty.Linebacker Brady Poppinga also was flagged for a personal foul after he retaliated against Burress for hitting an unsuspecting A.J. Hawk from behind after the play was over - on the second play of the game.Of the six personal-foul penalties the Packers were assessed this season, two were against the Giants.Then there was the play where wide receiver Amani Toomer, after being shoved by linebacker Nick Barnett, tried to get revenge by diving at Barnett's knees."That's how they play," said defensive tackle Ryan Pickett. "They do a little extra stuff after the whistle, things like that. It's a part of football, but they seem to do a little extra. You've got to keep your eyes on them. We just have to take it to them, not sit back and wait, because they get you on fouls and things like that. It's stuff we've seen all year, but they do it as a group."The first time around, the Packers didn't face running back Brandon Jacobs due to injury. But they are well aware of his trash-talking tendencies after he was involved in a handful of post-play confrontations in last week's victory over the Dallas Cowboys.The Packers have seen the film. They have been warned by their coaches. Now it's up to them to follow Kampman's lead and resist the Giants' bait."Oh yeah, they do some stuff after the whistle," said defensive tackle Corey Williams. "We're going to beat them between the whistles. We ain't going to take no cheap shots at them. The shots we're going to take at them are going to be legal shots. They'll be hard, but they'll be legal."

Sounds like the Packers better watch for some cheap shot from the Giants. First I'd heard of this, but it sounds like it is pretty well known around the league.

This is

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

LAWL at Rodney Harrison saying anybody hits late, that they push and try to take you out.

That is the definition of Rodney Harrison Roy Williams.

Fixed.

 

[Liquid Tension]

A Cowboys fan's opinion...........I personally just don't see it. Not a dirty team. I would say some of the Giants are annoying (Strahan, Jacobs, Shockey)....they don't strike me as dirty. Jacobs just thinks he's a tough guy.

Jacobs is a tough guy because every defensive player puts a target on him...Shockey is a dirt bag

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

A Cowboys fan's opinion...........I personally just don't see it. Not a dirty team. I would say some of the Giants are annoying (Strahan, Jacobs, Shockey)....they don't strike me as dirty. Jacobs just thinks he's a tough guy.

Agree on Jacobs. If he doesn't watch it, someone will poke his eye out.

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

LAWL at Rodney Harrison saying anybody hits late, that they push and try to take you out.

That is the definition of Rodney Harrison.

I'm pretty sure that the Giants were one of the least penalized teams in the NFL this year.

Without giving too much credence to the charges, dirty play doesn't always get penalized.

Rodney Harrison is president of Cheap Shot nation.

 

[DawnBTVS]

So just because a guy who pulls the same tactics seeing another team pulling the same tactics means his comments are not credible?

He's not saying that he's a prince while the Giants are evil. He said that he saw them playing dirty on film and using some tactics. Coupled with the comments from the Packers players (and seeing the skirmish between the Patriots and Giants that featured the Wilfork eye poke) it should raise some eyebrows, no?

It may be without substance or it may have some truth but it could be something to keep an eye on during the game as well. I wouldn't discredit opinions just because it's a "pot calling the kettle black" argument. If anything, that'd raise my eyebrows even more if a guy who's known for dirty play is willing to call out somebody else.

 

[Sabertooth]

So let me get this straight.

The local beat reporter for the Giants opponent for the NFL championship says the Giants play dirty and found confirmation from couple of players playing the Giants and one of the dirtiest players in the NFL?

Pass the salt...

Get what straight? Sounds like the Giants played dirty the last time the Packers played. If Rodney Harrison calls them dirty, what does that say about them? Tells me that the Packers better watch their knees.

do you really watch football games? the terms in this sentence 'Rodney Harrison calls them dirty' are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE...ever WATCH Harrison play? here's a guy who's been caught with roids or HGH in his system, and suspended because of it..so I find the fact that Harrison calls anyone out for 'cheating' absolutely LAUGHABLE.

Harrison does more stuff to opponents AFTER a play is whistled dead than anyone not named Jon Runyan..

he starts crap with opposing coaches, players, etc..he's a sneaky *@#$*@$ who feels he needs to cheat to win ( roids and/or HGH).

give me a break dude!

I've forgotten more football games than you've seen bub. Harrison is obviously known as a cheap shot artist. I guess you could look at it two ways, as laughable, or as "it takes a cheap shot artist to know one."

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

Yeah..soon Rodney will be like "Merriman-I can't believe that guy uses HGH or steroids..for real"

 

[Bri]

There's alot of dirty play between linemen, always has been. This year's no different

Burress smacking Hawk from behind is lineman play? Did you raed the whole thing?

I never stated thatDid you raed my whole one sentence post?

 

[smitty63]

So the basis of this article is that the Giants are dirty because a) 33% of the Packer's personal fouls came in one game against the Giants, b) the dirtiest player in the league says so, and c) one of their players, who was involved in three fights in the game, says so. Ok. Any real journalism up there in Wisconsin?Sure sounds to me like the Giants are in the Packers heads. Also sounds like the Packer fans are preparing their excuses for the possibility they could lose. Look, the Giants aren't the most glamorous team, and they've had an up and down season, but if they beat the Pack on Sunday, it will be because they are a much better team than they were in Week 2 and because they are peaking at the right time.

I really find all this "The Giants are a much better team than they were in Week 2" talk pretty hilarious in all honesty. Nobody thinks Green Bay is any better, either? Seems to me Green Bay couldn't run the ball to save their souls in the first half of the season. Things have changed since then. I don't think they're worried about the Giants' cheap shots as much as Giants' fans HOPE they are. Should be a good game on Sunday. I have a hard time believing "mind games" are going to have much of an effect on the outcome.

 

[Bri]

So the basis of this article is that the Giants are dirty because a) 33% of the Packer's personal fouls came in one game against the Giants, b) the dirtiest player in the league says so, and c) one of their players, who was involved in three fights in the game, says so. Ok. Any real journalism up there in Wisconsin?Sure sounds to me like the Giants are in the Packers heads. Also sounds like the Packer fans are preparing their excuses for the possibility they could lose. Look, the Giants aren't the most glamorous team, and they've had an up and down season, but if they beat the Pack on Sunday, it will be because they are a much better team than they were in Week 2 and because they are peaking at the right time.

I really find all this "The Giants are a much better team than they were in Week 2" talk pretty hilarious in all honesty. Nobody thinks Green Bay is any better, either? Seems to me Green Bay couldn't run the ball to save their souls in the first half of the season. Things have changed since then. I don't think they're worried about the Giants' cheap shots as much as Giants' fans HOPE they are. Should be a good game on Sunday. I have a hard time believing "mind games" are going to have much of an effect on the outcome.

GB just wasn't mentioned, no one said they weren't improved.I really didn't much care for Kiwi playing OLB and think just that alone makes them better. However, Kiwi being around(and not on IR) to play DE would be nice for them.

 

[Smizzy]

________________________________________________________________________________________The focus of cheap talk Packers well versed in tactics used by GiantsBy GREG BEDARDgbedard@journalsentinel.comPosted: Jan. 16, 2008Green Bay - Aaron Kampman didn't want to talk about it Wednesday. He took the rather diplomatic approach of not providing the New York Giants with anything that could be deemed bulletin-board material. But what happened to Kampman during the Week 2 matchup with the Giants - and the immediate aftermath - said all that needed to be said.About the Giants and their style of play. And what the Packers are going to contend with in Sunday's NFC Championship Game.With 3 minutes 22 seconds remaining in the Packers' 35-13 victory at Giants Stadium, Kampman was blocked to the ground by Giants center Shaun O'Hara. As backup quarterback Jared Lorenzen was sacked, Kampman started to get up when O'Hara delivered a forceful forearm to the back of Kampman's neck.Kampman, one of the most gentlemanly players in the game, responded by flipping O'Hara on his back and nearly punching him. But Kampman had the self control to stop himself. After the game, however, Kampman's displeasure couldn't be halted."I had a player that did something real dirty to me," Kampman said after that game. "This was stuff that he shouldn't be doing and he won't do it again."O'Hara was not in the Giants' locker room Wednesday in New York. No matter, really. The Giants' method of operation - tough, physical football that approaches the line of dirty play - is no secret in NFL circles."I'm going to tell you, we saw it on film," New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison said after facing the Giants in the regular-season finale. "It wasn't no secret. They push, they hit late, they come at you and try to take you out. That's the way they play."Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. When Harrison - who has twice been voted the league's dirtiest player in a player poll conducted by Sports Illustrated - questions your tactics, then you've arrived if your goal is to be a physical team.And that's exactly what the Giants try to do, week in and week out. And their game plan against the Packers will be no different. Not in the least."I think this is going to be the most physical game that any of us have ever played to this point," Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress said. "It is going to be physical even when guys are lying on the ground with guys taking cheap shots and things like that. This is the game to get to the Super Bowl and this is the game that you have to win to get there. It is just going to be a tough game all the way around."The Packers' coaches, especially on defense, have been warning their players all week about keeping their cool against the Giants."It's a big emphasis, especially with so much being on the line in the game," said defensive end Cullen Jenkins. "We're aware that they do that stuff and we expect them to try it again. It's just up to us to keep our cool and not give them anything cheap. That's what they want to do - they want to bait you into giving them the 15 yards. We just have to keep our cool, you know? Not let it happen."Jenkins is hearing the lesson loud and clear this week. Against the Giants, he got into skirmishes on three occasions and one, a retaliation against O'Hara for a two-handed punch to the face, drew a 15-yard personal foul penalty.Linebacker Brady Poppinga also was flagged for a personal foul after he retaliated against Burress for hitting an unsuspecting A.J. Hawk from behind after the play was over - on the second play of the game.Of the six personal-foul penalties the Packers were assessed this season, two were against the Giants.Then there was the play where wide receiver Amani Toomer, after being shoved by linebacker Nick Barnett, tried to get revenge by diving at Barnett's knees."That's how they play," said defensive tackle Ryan Pickett. "They do a little extra stuff after the whistle, things like that. It's a part of football, but they seem to do a little extra. You've got to keep your eyes on them. We just have to take it to them, not sit back and wait, because they get you on fouls and things like that. It's stuff we've seen all year, but they do it as a group."The first time around, the Packers didn't face running back Brandon Jacobs due to injury. But they are well aware of his trash-talking tendencies after he was involved in a handful of post-play confrontations in last week's victory over the Dallas Cowboys.The Packers have seen the film. They have been warned by their coaches. Now it's up to them to follow Kampman's lead and resist the Giants' bait."Oh yeah, they do some stuff after the whistle," said defensive tackle Corey Williams. "We're going to beat them between the whistles. We ain't going to take no cheap shots at them. The shots we're going to take at them are going to be legal shots. They'll be hard, but they'll be legal."

Sounds like the Packers better watch for some cheap shot from the Giants. First I'd heard of this, but it sounds like it is pretty well known around the league.

As a NY'er and Ginats HATER...I've never heard word 1 about the Giants being dirty....or have I ever seen them play dirty.

 

[Newslang]

This is BS, we have guys getting poked in the eye out there and dont do anything. One incident and we are being called dirty?

 

[smitty63]

So the basis of this article is that the Giants are dirty because a) 33% of the Packer's personal fouls came in one game against the Giants, b) the dirtiest player in the league says so, and c) one of their players, who was involved in three fights in the game, says so. Ok. Any real journalism up there in Wisconsin?Sure sounds to me like the Giants are in the Packers heads. Also sounds like the Packer fans are preparing their excuses for the possibility they could lose. Look, the Giants aren't the most glamorous team, and they've had an up and down season, but if they beat the Pack on Sunday, it will be because they are a much better team than they were in Week 2 and because they are peaking at the right time.

I really find all this "The Giants are a much better team than they were in Week 2" talk pretty hilarious in all honesty. Nobody thinks Green Bay is any better, either? Seems to me Green Bay couldn't run the ball to save their souls in the first half of the season. Things have changed since then. I don't think they're worried about the Giants' cheap shots as much as Giants' fans HOPE they are. Should be a good game on Sunday. I have a hard time believing "mind games" are going to have much of an effect on the outcome.

GB just wasn't mentioned, no one said they weren't improved.I really didn't much care for Kiwi playing OLB and think just that alone makes them better. However, Kiwi being around(and not on IR) to play DE would be nice for them.

It needs to be mentioned. Everyone is giving the Giants credit for being improved(more like making excuses for why they lost, but hey whatever it takes). Green Bay handed their asses to them in their place. Are the Giants bettr? Yep. Is Green Bay better? Yep. So why does that give the Giants a better chance to win? Is it because they're on the road? Don't forget that GB is a pretty good team at home. They only lost one game there and they pretty much gave that one away.

 

[horadadude]

Did that son-of a b**ch ever get fined for throwing the ball at the play clock. He should have been penalized for that.

Are you serious? "Unnecessary roughness on the play clock"

No unnecessary showing of ones ###.

Jacobs only had four rushing TD's on the season. I think he can be excused for not knowing how to act in that rare occurance when he actually gets to the end zone.

It had nothing to do with him missing about 4 games and parts of others?

 

[horadadude]

So the basis of this article is that the Giants are dirty because a) 33% of the Packer's personal fouls came in one game against the Giants, b) the dirtiest player in the league says so, and c) one of their players, who was involved in three fights in the game, says so. Ok. Any real journalism up there in Wisconsin?Sure sounds to me like the Giants are in the Packers heads. Also sounds like the Packer fans are preparing their excuses for the possibility they could lose. Look, the Giants aren't the most glamorous team, and they've had an up and down season, but if they beat the Pack on Sunday, it will be because they are a much better team than they were in Week 2 and because they are peaking at the right time.

I really find all this "The Giants are a much better team than they were in Week 2" talk pretty hilarious in all honesty. Nobody thinks Green Bay is any better, either? Seems to me Green Bay couldn't run the ball to save their souls in the first half of the season. Things have changed since then. I don't think they're worried about the Giants' cheap shots as much as Giants' fans HOPE they are. Should be a good game on Sunday. I have a hard time believing "mind games" are going to have much of an effect on the outcome.

GB just wasn't mentioned, no one said they weren't improved.I really didn't much care for Kiwi playing OLB and think just that alone makes them better. However, Kiwi being around(and not on IR) to play DE would be nice for them.

It needs to be mentioned. Everyone is giving the Giants credit for being improved(more like making excuses for why they lost, but hey whatever it takes). Green Bay handed their asses to them in their place. Are the Giants bettr? Yep. Is Green Bay better? Yep. So why does that give the Giants a better chance to win? Is it because they're on the road? Don't forget that GB is a pretty good team at home. They only lost one game there and they pretty much gave that one away.

The Pack lost badly to the boys - the GMEN beat the boys....the Pack lost 2x to the Bears - the GMEN beat the Bears. The Pack beat the Giants in week 2 when Eli was hurt - shoulder injury the week before against the Cowboys and Jacobs was out. Giants have won 9 straight road games since then. I would say they have a chance.

 

[smitty63]

So the basis of this article is that the Giants are dirty because a) 33% of the Packer's personal fouls came in one game against the Giants, b) the dirtiest player in the league says so, and c) one of their players, who was involved in three fights in the game, says so. Ok. Any real journalism up there in Wisconsin?

Sure sounds to me like the Giants are in the Packers heads. Also sounds like the Packer fans are preparing their excuses for the possibility they could lose.

Look, the Giants aren't the most glamorous team, and they've had an up and down season, but if they beat the Pack on Sunday, it will be because they are a much better team than they were in Week 2 and because they are peaking at the right time.

I really find all this "The Giants are a much better team than they were in Week 2" talk pretty hilarious in all honesty. Nobody thinks Green Bay is any better, either? Seems to me Green Bay couldn't run the ball to save their souls in the first half of the season. Things have changed since then. I don't think they're worried about the Giants' cheap shots as much as Giants' fans HOPE they are. Should be a good game on Sunday. I have a hard time believing "mind games" are going to have much of an effect on the outcome.

GB just wasn't mentioned, no one said they weren't improved.I really didn't much care for Kiwi playing OLB and think just that alone makes them better. However, Kiwi being around(and not on IR) to play DE would be nice for them.

It needs to be mentioned. Everyone is giving the Giants credit for being improved(more like making excuses for why they lost, but hey whatever it takes). Green Bay handed their asses to them in their place. Are the Giants bettr? Yep. Is Green Bay better? Yep. So why does that give the Giants a better chance to win? Is it because they're on the road? Don't forget that GB is a pretty good team at home. They only lost one game there and they pretty much gave that one away.

The Pack lost badly to the boys - the GMEN beat the boys....the Pack lost 2x to the Bears - the GMEN beat the Bears. The Pack beat the Giants in week 2 when Eli was hurt - shoulder injury the week before against the Cowboys and Jacobs was out. Giants have won 9 straight road games since then. I would say they have a chance.

Didn't the Giants get beat by the Cowboys twice this season? Did you forget or did you conveniently leave out that fact? I also don't remember saying they didn't have a chance. There is a reason they play the games. I'm just tired of hearing how much better the Giants are now than they were in Week 2. Green Bay is better also and you can't deny it. Green Bay has won 14 of 17 games this season the Giants have won 12 of 18. See, I can post useless facts too.