Are the Giants a "dirty" team (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

________________________________________________________________________________________The focus of cheap talk Packers well versed in tactics used by GiantsBy GREG BEDARDgbedard@journalsentinel.comPosted: Jan. 16, 2008Green Bay - Aaron Kampman didn't want to talk about it Wednesday. He took the rather diplomatic approach of not providing the New York Giants with anything that could be deemed bulletin-board material. But what happened to Kampman during the Week 2 matchup with the Giants - and the immediate aftermath - said all that needed to be said.About the Giants and their style of play. And what the Packers are going to contend with in Sunday's NFC Championship Game.With 3 minutes 22 seconds remaining in the Packers' 35-13 victory at Giants Stadium, Kampman was blocked to the ground by Giants center Shaun O'Hara. As backup quarterback Jared Lorenzen was sacked, Kampman started to get up when O'Hara delivered a forceful forearm to the back of Kampman's neck.Kampman, one of the most gentlemanly players in the game, responded by flipping O'Hara on his back and nearly punching him. But Kampman had the self control to stop himself. After the game, however, Kampman's displeasure couldn't be halted."I had a player that did something real dirty to me," Kampman said after that game. "This was stuff that he shouldn't be doing and he won't do it again."O'Hara was not in the Giants' locker room Wednesday in New York. No matter, really. The Giants' method of operation - tough, physical football that approaches the line of dirty play - is no secret in NFL circles."I'm going to tell you, we saw it on film," New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison said after facing the Giants in the regular-season finale. "It wasn't no secret. They push, they hit late, they come at you and try to take you out. That's the way they play."Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. When Harrison - who has twice been voted the league's dirtiest player in a player poll conducted by Sports Illustrated - questions your tactics, then you've arrived if your goal is to be a physical team.And that's exactly what the Giants try to do, week in and week out. And their game plan against the Packers will be no different. Not in the least."I think this is going to be the most physical game that any of us have ever played to this point," Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress said. "It is going to be physical even when guys are lying on the ground with guys taking cheap shots and things like that. This is the game to get to the Super Bowl and this is the game that you have to win to get there. It is just going to be a tough game all the way around."The Packers' coaches, especially on defense, have been warning their players all week about keeping their cool against the Giants."It's a big emphasis, especially with so much being on the line in the game," said defensive end Cullen Jenkins. "We're aware that they do that stuff and we expect them to try it again. It's just up to us to keep our cool and not give them anything cheap. That's what they want to do - they want to bait you into giving them the 15 yards. We just have to keep our cool, you know? Not let it happen."Jenkins is hearing the lesson loud and clear this week. Against the Giants, he got into skirmishes on three occasions and one, a retaliation against O'Hara for a two-handed punch to the face, drew a 15-yard personal foul penalty.Linebacker Brady Poppinga also was flagged for a personal foul after he retaliated against Burress for hitting an unsuspecting A.J. Hawk from behind after the play was over - on the second play of the game.Of the six personal-foul penalties the Packers were assessed this season, two were against the Giants.Then there was the play where wide receiver Amani Toomer, after being shoved by linebacker Nick Barnett, tried to get revenge by diving at Barnett's knees."That's how they play," said defensive tackle Ryan Pickett. "They do a little extra stuff after the whistle, things like that. It's a part of football, but they seem to do a little extra. You've got to keep your eyes on them. We just have to take it to them, not sit back and wait, because they get you on fouls and things like that. It's stuff we've seen all year, but they do it as a group."The first time around, the Packers didn't face running back Brandon Jacobs due to injury. But they are well aware of his trash-talking tendencies after he was involved in a handful of post-play confrontations in last week's victory over the Dallas Cowboys.The Packers have seen the film. They have been warned by their coaches. Now it's up to them to follow Kampman's lead and resist the Giants' bait."Oh yeah, they do some stuff after the whistle," said defensive tackle Corey Williams. "We're going to beat them between the whistles. We ain't going to take no cheap shots at them. The shots we're going to take at them are going to be legal shots. They'll be hard, but they'll be legal."

Sounds like the Packers better watch for some cheap shot from the Giants. First I'd heard of this, but it sounds like it is pretty well known around the league.

This is the NFL..not flag football. What I have noticed is that the Giants are a very physical football team. Rodney Harrison talking about cheap shots?? WTF??

 

[larry_boy_44]

The Packers are distracted? By what? An article that none of them wrote?The reporters ask the questions, the players answer. Since the playoffs began the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has increases the number of Packer stories almost 3X from the regular season. It's nothing. I don't think the Packers are losing any sleep over someone hitting them late.

wait until the PAckers win and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel becomes "Packers Plus" for 2 weeks lol (note: "Packers Plus" = Packers themed special insert you have to pay extra to get that is only stories on the PAckers and is released like 20 times during a season or so...)

 

[scott72]

So the basis of this article is that the Giants are dirty because a) 33% of the Packer's personal fouls came in one game against the Giants, b) the dirtiest player in the league says so, and c) one of their players, who was involved in three fights in the game, says so. Ok. Any real journalism up there in Wisconsin?Sure sounds to me like the Giants are in the Packers heads. Also sounds like the Packer fans are preparing their excuses for the possibility they could lose. Look, the Giants aren't the most glamorous team, and they've had an up and down season, but if they beat the Pack on Sunday, it will be because they are a much better team than they were in Week 2 and because they are peaking at the right time.

I really find all this "The Giants are a much better team than they were in Week 2" talk pretty hilarious in all honesty. Nobody thinks Green Bay is any better, either? Seems to me Green Bay couldn't run the ball to save their souls in the first half of the season. Things have changed since then. I don't think they're worried about the Giants' cheap shots as much as Giants' fans HOPE they are. Should be a good game on Sunday. I have a hard time believing "mind games" are going to have much of an effect on the outcome.

GB just wasn't mentioned, no one said they weren't improved.I really didn't much care for Kiwi playing OLB and think just that alone makes them better. However, Kiwi being around(and not on IR) to play DE would be nice for them.

It needs to be mentioned. Everyone is giving the Giants credit for being improved(more like making excuses for why they lost, but hey whatever it takes). Green Bay handed their asses to them in their place. Are the Giants bettr? Yep. Is Green Bay better? Yep. So why does that give the Giants a better chance to win? Is it because they're on the road? Don't forget that GB is a pretty good team at home. They only lost one game there and they pretty much gave that one away.

The Pack lost badly to the boys - the GMEN beat the boys....the Pack lost 2x to the Bears - the GMEN beat the Bears. The Pack beat the Giants in week 2 when Eli was hurt - shoulder injury the week before against the Cowboys and Jacobs was out. Giants have won 9 straight road games since then. I would say they have a chance.

Who beat who and when has nothing to do with anything. The whole Giants are dirty thing is also a non issue. It will be a competitive game and I don't think anyone is saying it won't be. Giants fans can relax and stop kicking their cats now..Sheesh..

 

[ack34]

Wow, way to dust off a Week 2 Postgame comment, and try to make an issue out of it.

O'Hara had a great response today, "I shower daily, use deodorant, wash my hair, even throw in some conditioner now and then."

To the best of my knowledge, no Giants player has been fined or suspended after any game this season for their actions on the field. I have not read in any article, minus the Week 2 Kampman thing, where any team has accused the Giants of unfair play.

This author of this article must be trying to impress NY Post editors this week.

 

[Liquid Tension]

So the basis of this article is that the Giants are dirty because a) 33% of the Packer's personal fouls came in one game against the Giants, b) the dirtiest player in the league says so, and c) one of their players, who was involved in three fights in the game, says so. Ok. Any real journalism up there in Wisconsin?Sure sounds to me like the Giants are in the Packers heads. Also sounds like the Packer fans are preparing their excuses for the possibility they could lose. Look, the Giants aren't the most glamorous team, and they've had an up and down season, but if they beat the Pack on Sunday, it will be because they are a much better team than they were in Week 2 and because they are peaking at the right time.

No question the Giants now are not the same team the Packers faced in week two, Among the best summaries I have seen in that regard came from Mike McCarthy in his Sunday press conference where he noted that Eli was hurt in week two, as was Jacobs, and that the Giants defense was still in the process of being learned and that Strahan was not then fully integrated into the plan. I don't recall now whether he also referred to Buress's injury. As a Packer fan I did not need that reminder. I was happy for the win in week two, but I have seen the Giants step it up since then. The story of their injuries is well documented, though the story of them overcoming them against Dallas has not really been emphasized. It does look like your guys are regaining health, though your C.B.'s will have to gut it out and will not be 100% come Sunday.My hope is that the Packers also have grown since that early meeting. They have found a running game now they did not have then, Their receivers are much more healthy. Their o-line has come together. I just wish the entire d-line rotation was available against a beast like Jacobs and the speed of Bradshaw, but the Packers are as healthy righ tnow as any team has a right to be.I expect a good game. I also expect that due to passions the relative civility of th epast week will break down some. Disappointment will lead to bitterness for some ardent fans. Regardless I expect the majority of the backers for each team to handle both success and failure with dignity. No question though that in fan bases so large and ardent there will be exceptions to the rule.Good Luck. Your season thus far has been quite an impressive ride.

 

[Dodge]

http://www.packers.com/history/fast_facts/...ded_home_games/

Packers home post season stats when it's cold. They're 6-4 when the temperature is 10 and under.

This will look bad but I'll copy/paste.

Temp. Date Opponent Res. GB Opp

-13 Dec 31, 1967 Dallas Cowboys (GB) W 21 17

0 Dec 26, 1993 Los Angeles Raiders (GB) W 28 0

2 Dec 22, 1990 Detroit Lions (GB) L 17 24

3 Jan 12, 1997 Carolina Panthers (GB) W 30 13

6 Nov 28, 1976 Chicago Bears (GB) L 10 16

8 Dec 20, 1992 Los Angeles Rams (GB) W 28 13

10 Dec 3, 1972 Detroit Lions (GB) W 33 7

10 Dec 4, 1977 Detroit Lions (GB) W 10 9

10 Dec 12, 1982 Detroit Lions (GB) L 10 30

10 Dec 15, 1991 Detroit Lions (GB) L 17 21

 

[kentric]

In addition to the deodorant comments, when asked about the play O'Hara said, "I must have tripped." Asked about dirty tactics, O'Hara added "If there's no flag, there's no foul."

 

[Sabertooth]

Did that son-of a b**ch ever get fined for throwing the ball at the play clock. He should have been penalized for that.

Are you serious? "Unnecessary roughness on the play clock"

No unnecessary showing of ones ###.

Jacobs only had four rushing TD's on the season. I think he can be excused for not knowing how to act in that rare occurance when he actually gets to the end zone.

It had nothing to do with him missing about 4 games and parts of others?

That's another issue altogether.

 

[H.K.]

Did that son-of a b**ch ever get fined for throwing the ball at the play clock. He should have been penalized for that.

Are you serious? "Unnecessary roughness on the play clock"

No unnecessary showing of ones ###.

Jacobs only had four rushing TD's on the season. I think he can be excused for not knowing how to act in that rare occurance when he actually gets to the end zone.

It had nothing to do with him missing about 4 games and parts of others?

That's another issue altogether.

 

[larry_boy_44]

http://www.packers.com/history/fast_facts/...ded_home_games/

Packers home post season stats when it's cold. They're 6-4 when the temperature is 10 and under.

This will look bad but I'll copy/paste.

Temp. Date Opponent Res. GB Opp

-13 Dec 31, 1967 Dallas Cowboys (GB) W 21 17

0 Dec 26, 1993 Los Angeles Raiders (GB) W 28 0

2 Dec 22, 1990 Detroit Lions (GB) L 17 24

3 Jan 12, 1997 Carolina Panthers (GB) W 30 13

6 Nov 28, 1976 Chicago Bears (GB) L 10 16

8 Dec 20, 1992 Los Angeles Rams (GB) W 28 13

10 Dec 3, 1972 Detroit Lions (GB) W 33 7

10 Dec 4, 1977 Detroit Lions (GB) W 10 9

10 Dec 12, 1982 Detroit Lions (GB) L 10 30

10 Dec 15, 1991 Detroit Lions (GB) L 17 21

note how all 4 losses came in the horrible, horrible time between Super Bowl II and Brett Favre... 1990, 1976, 1991, 1982... plus all 4 were to either the Lions or Bears who come to Green Bay every year anyway...

 

[Mikey16x]

stop talking about brandon jacobssss... HE'S A HUMAN!!!!!