Are these Risky players a sell? (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

These Dynasty Assets Are A Ticking Time Bomb (Sell?)​

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Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

 

[-OZ-]

G Wilson is an interesting one. He seems to have the talent to be a top 5 receiver if he got good QB play. But we’ve been waiting for that for years now. I sold him last year for another WR I think meets the topic - Odunze (I received Bucky with him in the deal) but hopefully in the other way - explodes to the top.

Is Kincaid still worth selling?

Fwiw, when I read the topic I thought it was players you’ll regret selling. Darnold was that for me last year, I sold him early for a 26 1st. SF, if that needed to be said.

 

[JohnnyU]

G Wilson is an interesting one. He seems to have the talent to be a top 5 receiver if he got good QB play. But we’ve been waiting for that for years now. I sold him last year for another WR I think meets the topic - Odunze (I received Bucky with him in the deal) but hopefully in the other way - explodes to the top.

Is Kincaid still worth selling?

Fwiw, when I read the topic I thought it was players you’ll regret selling. Darnold was that for me last year, I sold him early for a 26 1st. SF, if that needed to be said.

I changed the title to not be so confusing as you pointed out in your last statement.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

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Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

I'm not a dynasty guy...but Worthy would be an absolute hold for me. His last 11 games including the playoffs saw him got for 765 YFS/7 TD's.

It's funny about Kyren...to me he's a buy. I know they drafted Corrum, and I could see his role expanding next year. But the snaps split between him and Corrum was 888/119. If you're in on Kyren, probably makes sense to handcuff Corrum, but I'm swimming against the grain here which seemingly has conventional wisdom undervaluing him. Chase Brown seems like this years Kyren Williams. Even if they do use a Day 2 pick on an RB, Brown became the bellcow. And Zac Taylor is a McVay disciple, so I would see such an investment as more insurance than emerging RBBC situation.

Wilson is a guy I would be selling on. Alot of variables associated with future performance and as he goes into Year 4, while it may not be his fault, he feels like the same guy he was two off-seasons ago.

Laporta is interesting. It feels like the sentiment is WAY down on him, but he still was pretty good this past year. TD regression was always expected, but his last 10 games (including the playoff game) saw him go for 47/505/6. That 17 game pace (68/858/10) isn't far off from his rookie numbers which shows he became a better downfield threat.

 

[Gally]

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Brown is a guy that I would sell if I could sell for full price or higher. The off season will be very important to see if/who the Bengals bring in to the fold. Brown showed he could be the bell cow and do everything for them. He was explosive and exceeded all expectations when given the shot. If not for him being dumb and trying to go down instead of just scoring he would have been even higher in the end of year standings. Probably near top 5 with another TD and full game.

The risk here is competition but I think Cincy likes him and trusts him so I don't see it as too much of a risk. So for me I am holding unless someone comes in with a top offer for him.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

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Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

I play mostly SF dynasty and there's no way in hell I'm selling Darnold unless it involves a young stud / high draft pick. He's shown his ceiling and even at 85% of his 2024 production, he's a top 20 QB which is relevant in SF.

 

[Gally]

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

I have no idea what to think of Worthy. The Chiefs were forced to use him but even then it was more manufactured touches (which isn't bad) which can get lessened if Rice comes back as Rice is better in that role. I still feel his is more gimicky than true WR caliber.

I likely look to sell for even money at this point. I think we saw his ceiling at the end of the year and think he goes under that moving forward.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

I have no idea what to think of Worthy. The Chiefs were forced to use him but even then it was more manufactured touches (which isn't bad) which can get lessened if Rice comes back as Rice is better in that role. I still feel his is more gimicky than true WR caliber.

I likely look to sell for even money at this point. I think we saw his ceiling at the end of the year and think he goes under that moving forward.

The one factor that isn't being taken into account in this type of evaluation is that Mahomes' production these last two years has been WAY off his highs which at one point in his career were his baseline.

YPG
18-22: 303
23-24: 254

TDPG
18-22: 2.4
23-24: 1.7

This is a delta of 833/12 over a 17 game season. I get having hesitation on a player...but purely on growth potential based on where he could fit in an offenses ceiling with previous pedigree?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

First, whether a player is a buy or a sell largely depends on the context of the roster around him.

Wilson is the perfect example - if he’s my WR2, I’m a hold. If he’s my WR4, maybe I see what I can get for him.

I see GW as a hold regardless because he’s young, has shown that the talent is real, and I don’t like selling low on young, talented assets.

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

I don’t mind selling on Kyren. There’s a wide range of opinions over his value, and while I believe his role is secure, that team could look a whole lot worse without Stafford, and without Kupp to lesser extent. Williams is a sell due to circumstance, so if someone in your league is high on him, easy call.

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

I’m riding the buck board, cracking the horsewhip on the Chase Brown wagon.

Young, talented, proven - it’ll be interesting to see what the Bengals bring in as a complimentary back. He could take a hit in value. But it could also be a Gibbs / Monty scenario where Brown is better for being better rested. They ran him into the ground last year. Critically, his role as a receiver seems both proven & secure. If they bring in a back, I expect a bruiser. It’s those 4-7 receptions a game that buoys his floor.

Personally I’m a strong hold on Brown on both teams I roster him.

But hypothetically, if he’s my RB4-5, I’d absolutely sell.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Strongest of holds. I don’t see LaPorta’s value diminished by any other receiver in DET. He’s a unique size weapon - his RZ production could/should even improve. When Kelce retires, strong case for LaPorta being the TE1. He’s the real deal and I wish I had shares.

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

This is an interesting one.

I bet the Chiefs are kicking themselves a little for not taking shots to Worthy early. But then again, maybe he was blanketed early, and benefitted from softer coverage at the end of a blowout.

I think owners will hold, but I’m not looking to buy. If I had him I’d probably hold and cross my fingers. But I expected a lot more from him, especially when Rice went down. It just never really manifested. Part of that could be on Mahomes/Reid - maybe they’d rather force the ball to a slow & busted Kelce than trust a yout?

Yeah, shareholders probably hold, but if someone in your league is super high on him based on the end of that Super Bowl, I don’t mind selling high.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

Actually in SF the decision becomes significantly easier: if/when a team signs him as their starting QB, he’s a no-brainer hold. Especially in larger league formats. I have him in 2x 16 team leagues. In one of them I have Herbert, JJM, and Darnold. In both those formats, he’s a plug & play WB2 with weekly QB1 upside. The deeper the league, the harder it is to find a QB, so SF = hold.

That said, in the league I have JJM & Herbert, I might float him once JJM locks up the gig in MIN, and Darnold signs. I’ll have 2 QBs, and the 3rd becomes a luxury that I could turn into a WR1, or a WR2/RB2, or maybe even a TE upgrade. SF just does crazy stuff to QB value, and trust him or not, Darnold is coming off a 4K season with 35:12

I think the Darnold question is far more relevant in start-1 QB leagues. That’s when you need to either trust him enough to hold him as a backup (or low-end starter) or let him go via trade or drop.

Even in a 16 team start-1 format, Darnold is a fairly risky starting option.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have no idea what to think of Worthy. The Chiefs were forced to use him but even then it was more manufactured touches (which isn't bad) which can get lessened if Rice comes back as Rice is better in that role. I still feel his is more gimicky than true WR caliber.

I likely look to sell for even money at this point. I think we saw his ceiling at the end of the year and think he goes under that moving forward.

Yeah, this is probably where I’m at (you posted while I was typing)

Some of that might be Worthy’s youth - he’s only 21, and has played just 1 season of pro ball.

But I recall several attempts to use him like Tyreek during the season with poor results. That might be on Mahomes, of course.

But at this point I could see selling at market value. It depends on what the rest of my roster looks like.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

but purely on growth potential based on where he could fit in an offenses ceiling with previous pedigree?

there’s also a chance that this is just who Mahomes is now.

Even that pass that Hopkins should have caught (the one where he tripped trying to make the adjustment) was not an accurate throw.

The Chiefs didn’t really take that many deep shots last year. So part of being optimistic about Worthy means being optimistic that the Chiefs will get back to their gunslinging ways.

I’m not entirely convinced they will.

 

[Gally]

The one factor that isn't being taken into account in this type of evaluation is that Mahomes' production these last two years has been WAY off his highs which at one point in his career were his baseline.

But Mahomes being "way off his highs" looks to be more of a trend moving forward than a fluke. Don't get me wrong he is still the top NFL QB and is amazing but the fantasy shine has worn off some. I don't think he will get back to his highs consistently. Maybe a game here or there but KC seems to want to rely on D and let Mahomes win close games at the end. I don't see that changing all that much in the near future.

 

[travdogg]

I think Wilson is dependent on where he's valued. I think he's a hold as a high-end WR2. If people want to treat him like he's got top-5 potential, then I'm selling. If Wilson is valued more on the WR10-15 range, then I'm on board.

I think Kyren Williams is clearly better than Chase Brown. Both higher ceiling and higher floor, while also being a more important part of his offense. I'd call Williams a hold and Brown a sell. To be honest, I thought Brown looked fine, but wasn't really impressive, he just had an excellent role. Its highly unlikely that role stays as it was. Kyren has been impressive, and while he was less effective in 2024 than 2023, he's shown he can be a top guy. He was RB2 in PPG in 2023. I'd probably have Kyren around RB7-10 and Brown around RB16-20.

LaPorta feels like a hold to me. He really was coming on down the stretch and I think Williams is a little too big-play dependent and could really miss Ben Johnson's play design. I'd have LaPorta TE5 at worst.

Worthy to me is a sell if anyone thinks he's gonna be Mahomes #1 long term. I'd probably have him around WR25.

Darnold is probably a hold. He'll absolutely get a starting job somewhere, and while no team offers a #1 as good as Justin Jefferson, there are a lot of places with top weapons. Vegas, NY Giants, LA Rams. Pretty much the only bad landing spots would be Tennessee or Pittsburgh. I think he's in the QB15-20 range.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

The one factor that isn't being taken into account in this type of evaluation is that Mahomes' production these last two years has been WAY off his highs which at one point in his career were his baseline.

But Mahomes being "way off his highs" looks to be more of a trend moving forward than a fluke. Don't get me wrong he is still the top NFL QB and is amazing but the fantasy shine has worn off some. I don't think he will get back to his highs consistently. Maybe a game here or there but KC seems to want to rely on D and let Mahomes win close games at the end. I don't see that changing all that much in the near future.

Is it though? I mean a QB losing his WR1 & WR2 during the early part of the season, not to mention his RB1 is going to put a crimp into any offense. The best ones even as evidenced.

Certainly the FF shine has worn off, but is that because Mahomes' went all Kirk Cousins or because in order to win, they needed to adjust their style since their WR's ranked 26th/23rd in yards/receptions?

Mahomes will be 30. Prime years for an NFL QB. Last off-season...the Chiefs spent off-season capital to try and replenish his weapons. They got a combined 5 games from Rice/Brown - and Worthy took some time to adjust. Moving forward, I can't see a scenario where they don't try and put alot on Worthy's plate with a transcendent QB and from a WR asset in FF, redraft or dynasty, aren't those the buys, not the sells?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I thought Brown looked fine, but wasn't really impressive, he just had an excellent role. Its highly unlikely that role stays as it was

And you're basing this on... feels?

No offense, but this was said by some just about every week last year. And every week Brown came out and was a RB1. People said he couldn't handle a big workload, but then Moss went down and there was Brown, handling a big workload. They said he wasn't good in pass pro, despite the coaches saying he'd improved - and then hey, he was excellent in pass pro. Folks said he wasn't a good receiver - and then he looked explosive as a receiver.

At the moment he has no competition for touches, and who they bring in is very much TBD. But he's the RB1 on a high powered offense, with an elite QB and WR who take a lot of pressure off of the run game. And moreover, his own OC & HC rave about him, and have consistently said they see him as more than a 3rd down type RB.

I just don't get where the "not impressive" comes from - he was pretty impressive at times. What more did he need to do, juggle tennis rackets while playing? Would that impress you? lol

IMO his role seems pretty secure. I've seen no evidence to the contrary. Not like after their elimination the coaches came out and blasted him or anything. Dude was one of the best players on the team, and it was more than just his excellent role. He played his way to an expanded role, then put up RB1 FF numbers most of the year.

 

[JohnnyU]

I thought Brown looked fine, but wasn't really impressive, he just had an excellent role. Its highly unlikely that role stays as it was

And you're basing this on... feels?

No offense, but this was said by some just about every week last year. And every week Brown came out and was a RB1. People said he couldn't handle a big workload, but then Moss went down and there was Brown, handling a big workload. They said he wasn't good in pass pro, despite the coaches saying he'd improved - and then hey, he was excellent in pass pro. Folks said he wasn't a good receiver - and then he looked explosive as a receiver.

At the moment he has no competition for touches, and who they bring in is very much TBD. But he's the RB1 on a high powered offense, with an elite QB and WR who take a lot of pressure off of the run game. And moreover, his own OC & HC rave about him, and have consistently said they see him as more than a 3rd down type RB.

I just don't get where the "not impressive" comes from - he was pretty impressive at times. What more did he need to do, juggle tennis rackets while playing? Would that impress you? lol

IMO his role seems pretty secure. I've seen no evidence to the contrary. Not like after their elimination the coaches came out and blasted him or anything. Dude was one of the best players on the team, and it was more than just his excellent role. He played his way to an expanded role, then put up RB1 FF numbers most of the year.

Hard to argue with any of this.

 

[rockaction]

Zack Moss is signed through next year, so I'm not sure who they'd really bring in to spell Chase Brown when they have other needs in Cincinnati and a bunch of contracts to sign. They might just stick with Moss provided the cap situation is right.

 

[menobrown]

Zack Moss is signed through next year, so I'm not sure who they'd really bring in to spell Chase Brown when they have other needs in Cincinnati and a bunch of contracts to sign. They might just stick with Moss provided the cap situation is right.

Moss is going to get cut.

 

[JohnnyU]

Zack Moss is signed through next year, so I'm not sure who they'd really bring in to spell Chase Brown when they have other needs in Cincinnati and a bunch of contracts to sign. They might just stick with Moss provided the cap situation is right.

They have Khalil Herbert too and I can see him being preferred over Moss.

 

[Mitchie]

I'd be buying Brown from anyone thinking they're going to spend meaningful draft capital on a RB.

 

[Gally]

Is it though? I mean a QB losing his WR1 & WR2 during the early part of the season, not to mention his RB1 is going to put a crimp into any offense. The best ones even as evidenced.

I think so. It was happening before this year. The team has shown it wants to win tight games late with Mahomes' strength of willing things to win. Gone are the days of lets outscore them.

Sure Mahomes weapons are lacking but that includes Worthy. I don't see him as a bonafide WR1 in the NFL. He is more complementary and helps an offense and is better for NFL purposes than FF purposes.

I definitely could be wrong as Mahomes has the talent/mind to get back to an elite FF QB but I don't think that is what KC wants. I think they want to win with defense (because they are built that way currently) and let Mahomes magic take over late. The last couple of seasons have gone that direction. I believe it will continue.

 

[menobrown]

Kyren- hold, fact they drafted Corum last year is actually a positive as it should keep them away form going early for a RB in this draft. At the end of the season Les Snead said something about him being "a Ram" and was looking forward to working on an extension for him. He's central to the team's plans.

Chase Brown-there are likely around 30 RB's who will get drafted this year, some teams will double dip but the majority of the league is going to draft a RB this year so in that sense any non-stud RB, just small handful, is at risk of some danger to at least losing a bit of value. If I thought I was getting fair market value for Chase I'd probably move on but I'd not feel any sense of urgency either because the RB or RB's they likely draft will be day three players. Which of course so was Chase but he's earned his spot. They won't draft a RB where Chase value is killed, they almost assuredly draft one where his value is a little dinged.

Garrett Wilson-Buy! Buy! Buy! Tyrod's his worst case scenario for his QB and even he's an upgrade on Rodgers all locked into his BFF. Getting past that dreaded Hackett/Downing offense is a big plus.(got unsolicitd offer yesterday for him of Metcalf, Sutton, C Watson and Brooks. I passed).

Kincaid-hold or buy. Value already lost to much to sell. Allens' comments about needing to do better at getting him the ball was nice to hear, but either way just wait out Knox's likely last season in Buffalo at this point.

Darnold-Sell, sell, sell! Appreciate the year he gave me on a few teams but it's ovah unless Vikings do what I give them extremely low odds of doing, which is bringing him back.

Worthy-hold to buy. They got a ton of other needs to spend premium capital on a WR and with Kelce fading or gone there is plenty enough for him and Rice to eat.

Laporta-hardest one to figure out. Came on last year better then he's given credit for but very worried about losing Ben Johnson. Probably what I'd term as a hold.

 

[Ray_T]

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Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

Garret Wilson.... for me it depends on situation. hes probably so cheap you could get him almost for free. so in a dynasty format, sure I'd at least think about buying him and sit him on my bench for a year or two (or until a higher upside prospect comes along) but you can only have room for so many players on your roster like him. so its not a guarantee I'd buy.
Kyren Williams- Yep I'd buy him if you can get him at a discount
LaPorta: he will bounce back. I think hes too good not to. but a trade down for Kittle is a good call. but he does sometimes get injured so you likely need a good backup to cover that risk
Worthy: most WR do not light it up as rookies in Reids system. its fairly complicated. as such, I expect a decent step forward for Worthy in year 2. Hes a buy for me
Darnold: hes a guy you take in superflex if you can get him on the cheap. I wouldnt want him as a starter in a normal league. but I'd consider using him in tandem with another qb so I could play matchups. but hes not a guy I'd go out of my way to buy.

 

[JohnnyU]

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Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

Garret Wilson.... for me it depends on situation. hes probably so cheap you could get him almost for free. so in a dynasty format, sure I'd at least think about buying him and sit him on my bench for a year or two (or until a higher upside prospect comes along) but you can only have room for so many players on your roster like him. so its not a guarantee I'd buy.
Kyren Williams- Yep I'd buy him if you can get him at a discount
LaPorta: he will bounce back. I think hes too good not to. but a trade down for Kittle is a good call. but he does sometimes get injured so you likely need a good backup to cover that risk
Worthy: most WR do not light it up as rookies in Reids system. its fairly complicated. as such, I expect a decent step forward for Worthy in year 2. Hes a buy for me
Darnold: hes a guy you take in superflex if you can get him on the cheap. I wouldnt want him as a starter in a normal league. but I'd consider using him in tandem with another qb so I could play matchups. but hes not a guy I'd go out of my way to buy.

Sorry, but Garrett Wilson isn’t cheap and you cannot almost get him for free. Where did you conjure that up from?

 

[Gally]

Sorry, but Garrett Wilson isn’t cheap and you cannot almost get him for free. Where did you conjure that up from?

I was going to post the same thing. Wilson owners are not selling low at all. (from what I can tell in my leagues).

 

[JohnnyU]

Sorry, but Garrett Wilson isn’t cheap and you cannot almost get him for free. Where did you conjure that up from?

I was going to post the same thing. Wilson owners are not selling low at all. (from what I can tell in my leagues).

That was hyperbole most likely. I wish people would avoid that.

 

[Ray_T]

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Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

Garret Wilson.... for me it depends on situation. hes probably so cheap you could get him almost for free. so in a dynasty format, sure I'd at least think about buying him and sit him on my bench for a year or two (or until a higher upside prospect comes along) but you can only have room for so many players on your roster like him. so its not a guarantee I'd buy.
Kyren Williams- Yep I'd buy him if you can get him at a discount
LaPorta: he will bounce back. I think hes too good not to. but a trade down for Kittle is a good call. but he does sometimes get injured so you likely need a good backup to cover that risk
Worthy: most WR do not light it up as rookies in Reids system. its fairly complicated. as such, I expect a decent step forward for Worthy in year 2. Hes a buy for me
Darnold: hes a guy you take in superflex if you can get him on the cheap. I wouldnt want him as a starter in a normal league. but I'd consider using him in tandem with another qb so I could play matchups. but hes not a guy I'd go out of my way to buy.

Sorry, but Garrett Wilson isn’t cheap and you cannot almost get him for free. Where did you conjure that up from?

sorry got my Wisons mixed up there. my bad. didnt get a good night of sleep last night lol if you can figure out which wilson I thought you were referring to (who is almost free I'll give you a point)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Is it though? I mean a QB losing his WR1 & WR2 during the early part of the season, not to mention his RB1 is going to put a crimp into any offense. The best ones even as evidenced.

I think so. It was happening before this year. The team has shown it wants to win tight games late with Mahomes' strength of willing things to win. Gone are the days of lets outscore them.

Sure Mahomes weapons are lacking but that includes Worthy. I don't see him as a bonafide WR1 in the NFL. He is more complementary and helps an offense and is better for NFL purposes than FF purposes.

I definitely could be wrong as Mahomes has the talent/mind to get back to an elite FF QB but I don't think that is what KC wants. I think they want to win with defense (because they are built that way currently) and let Mahomes magic take over late. The last couple of seasons have gone that direction. I believe it will continue.

It’s also kind of a chicken & the egg thing… It’s not just that KC wants to win like that, it’s that their Defense has improved to the point where they just don’t need Patrick Mahomes throwing for 300 or 400 yards a game.

If I were a Mahomes shareholder, I would also be a little bit concerned that the Eagles just showed everyone a solid blueprint for how to shut down. Kansas City's passing game.

 

[Ray_T]

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Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

Garret Wilson.... for me it depends on situation. hes probably so cheap you could get him almost for free. so in a dynasty format, sure I'd at least think about buying him and sit him on my bench for a year or two (or until a higher upside prospect comes along) but you can only have room for so many players on your roster like him. so its not a guarantee I'd buy.
Kyren Williams- Yep I'd buy him if you can get him at a discount
LaPorta: he will bounce back. I think hes too good not to. but a trade down for Kittle is a good call. but he does sometimes get injured so you likely need a good backup to cover that risk
Worthy: most WR do not light it up as rookies in Reids system. its fairly complicated. as such, I expect a decent step forward for Worthy in year 2. Hes a buy for me
Darnold: hes a guy you take in superflex if you can get him on the cheap. I wouldnt want him as a starter in a normal league. but I'd consider using him in tandem with another qb so I could play matchups. but hes not a guy I'd go out of my way to buy.

Sorry, but Garrett Wilson isn’t cheap and you cannot almost get him for free. Where did you conjure that up from?

sorry got my Wisons mixed up there. my bad. didnt get a good night of sleep last night lol if you can figure out which wilson I thought you were referring to (who is almost free I'll give you a point)

on that note: garrett wilson has performed with a good QB and a bad one. but there is more risk with him than typical. I'd buy if the price was right, but I dont know that I'd pay full market value for him.
in the long run it probably evens out, but I'd want a discount to buy.

 

[rockaction]

If I were a Mahomes shareholder, I would also be a little bit concerned that the Eagles just showed everyone a solid blueprint for how to shut down. Kansas City is passing game.

That ship with Fangio sailed long ago. The blueprint has been there for three years-plus now. It's whether teams can rush four and drop seven in coverage and be effective with their pass rush. That wasn't any great new scheme—that was dominant players.

 

[Ray_T]

Is it though? I mean a QB losing his WR1 & WR2 during the early part of the season, not to mention his RB1 is going to put a crimp into any offense. The best ones even as evidenced.

I think so. It was happening before this year. The team has shown it wants to win tight games late with Mahomes' strength of willing things to win. Gone are the days of lets outscore them.

Sure Mahomes weapons are lacking but that includes Worthy. I don't see him as a bonafide WR1 in the NFL. He is more complementary and helps an offense and is better for NFL purposes than FF purposes.

I definitely could be wrong as Mahomes has the talent/mind to get back to an elite FF QB but I don't think that is what KC wants. I think they want to win with defense (because they are built that way currently) and let Mahomes magic take over late. The last couple of seasons have gone that direction. I believe it will continue.

It’s also kind of a chicken & the egg thing… It’s not just that KC wants to win like that, it’s that their Defense has improved to the point where they just don’t need Patrick Mahomes throwing for 300 or 400 yards a game.

If I were a Mahomes shareholder, I would also be a little bit concerned that the Eagles just showed everyone a solid blueprint for how to shut down. Kansas City is passing game.

100%. if your team strength is your defense you can run a more conservative offense and just make sure you dont turn the ball over.

that usually means less fantasy points. so yeah, I'd be careful about what price I'd pay when it comes to a guy Like Mahomes. there is more risk there than most of us are willing to admit.

 

[Ray_T]

If I were a Mahomes shareholder, I would also be a little bit concerned that the Eagles just showed everyone a solid blueprint for how to shut down. Kansas City is passing game.

That ship with Fangio sailed long ago. The blueprint has been there for three years-plus now. It's whether teams can rush four and drop seven in coverage and be effective with their pass rush. That wasn't any great new scheme—that was dominant players.

and the new more conservative scheme worked because teams had a real fear of Mahomes beating them with the deep ball. Until they get a deep threat as dangerous as Tyreek Hill this gameplan wont work the way it should.

there is hope with Xavier but it will be another year or two until we know if he is a difference maker.

 

[rockaction]

and the new more conservative scheme worked because teams had a real fear of Mahomes beating them with the deep ball. Until they get a deep threat as dangerous as Tyreek Hill this gameplan wont work the way it should.

Exactly. Hill was beating everybody deep before Fangio had had enough of that. Now it's on the Chiefs to play less lightning ball and get back to some route runners. Problem is, Andy Reid doesn't actually have much of a track record in his career with an alpha receiver besides Hill. Jeremy Maclin was the closest in Philadelphia during his tenure. DeSean was an erratic deep threat back then. Reid's never schemed open a WR1 like he did with Hill. We will see if he proves me wrong and does just that next year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'd be careful about what price I'd pay when it comes to a guy Like Mahomes. there is more risk there than most of us are willing to admit.

I feel better & better about selling high in both of my SF leagues over the last couple of years.

 

[Gally]

Reid's never schemed open a WR1 like he did with Hill.

Did he scheme him open or was it that Hill was just un-guardable?

 

[JohnnyU]

Reid's never schemed open a WR1 like he did with Hill.

Did he scheme him open or was it that Hill was just un-guardable?

He looked unguardable when he was with the Chiefs. I don't think scheme ranks ahead of that.

 

[menobrown]

Reid's never schemed open a WR1 like he did with Hill.

Did he scheme him open or was it that Hill was just un-guardable?

I think the later and remember Tyreek was a little frustrated with his usage in KC and can't disupute he went on to have the two best seasons of his career after he left.

 

[menobrown]

Mahomes just needs better blocking.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Exactly. Hill was beating everybody deep before Fangio had had enough of that. Now it's on the Chiefs to play less lightning ball and get back to some route runners. Problem is, Andy Reid doesn't actually have much of a track record in his career with an alpha receiver besides Hill. Jeremy Maclin was the closest in Philadelphia during his tenure. DeSean was an erratic deep threat back then. Reid's never schemed open a WR1 like he did with Hill. We will see if he proves me wrong and does just that next year.

Honestly I don't think Hill gets enough credit for how much be helped Mahomes - typically people give Mahomes the credit for that era, which seems to be a mistake. I remember folks questioning how good Tyreek could be in MIA after leaving Mahomes (and I was guilty of this thinking to some extent) - Hill is just that good. Absolute game breaker in terms of ability. So much more than a deep threat.

Interesting mention of DJax. I actually think he's a very good comp for Worthy, both in talent and usage. Worthy shareholders want him to be the next Tyreek, but the next DJax is far more likely IMO. DJax 2-year run from 2013-14 was outstanding, but he put up 1300+ & 1100+ on just 82 & 56 receptions respectively. But yeah, that's a really good comp.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Mahomes just needs better blocking.

That, but with the way that defense has improved over the last couple of years, there just doesn't seem to be a need for the Chiefs to get into shootouts.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Reid's never schemed open a WR1 like he did with Hill.

Did he scheme him open or was it that Hill was just un-guardable?

I think the later and remember Tyreek was a little frustrated with his usage in KC and can't disupute he went on to have the two best seasons of his career after he left.

100%. Tyreek is a special athlete, and it was a near perfect combo of Mahomes ability and Hill's ability to get open at will.

 

[menobrown]

Mahomes just needs better blocking.

That, but with the way that defense has improved over the last couple of years, there just doesn't seem to be a need for the Chiefs to get into shootouts.

That defense might be taking a serious step down, lot's of key FA's.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

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Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

Garret Wilson.... for me it depends on situation. hes probably so cheap you could get him almost for free. so in a dynasty format, sure I'd at least think about buying him and sit him on my bench for a year or two (or until a higher upside prospect comes along) but you can only have room for so many players on your roster like him. so its not a guarantee I'd buy.
Kyren Williams- Yep I'd buy him if you can get him at a discount
LaPorta: he will bounce back. I think hes too good not to. but a trade down for Kittle is a good call. but he does sometimes get injured so you likely need a good backup to cover that risk
Worthy: most WR do not light it up as rookies in Reids system. its fairly complicated. as such, I expect a decent step forward for Worthy in year 2. Hes a buy for me
Darnold: hes a guy you take in superflex if you can get him on the cheap. I wouldnt want him as a starter in a normal league. but I'd consider using him in tandem with another qb so I could play matchups. but hes not a guy I'd go out of my way to buy.

Sorry, but Garrett Wilson isn’t cheap and you cannot almost get him for free. Where did you conjure that up from?

sorry got my Wisons mixed up there. my bad. didnt get a good night of sleep last night lol if you can figure out which wilson I thought you were referring to (who is almost free I'll give you a point)

I'm assuming Russ.

 

[menobrown]

Reid's never schemed open a WR1 like he did with Hill.

Did he scheme him open or was it that Hill was just un-guardable?

I think the later and remember Tyreek was a little frustrated with his usage in KC and can't disupute he went on to have the two best seasons of his career after he left.

100%. Tyreek is a special athlete, and it was a near perfect combo of Mahomes ability and Hill's ability to get open at will.

It was in fact a perfect pairing, a great show and all football fans lost something when it ended.

 

[menobrown]

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Here are the players he talked about in this video.

Garrett Wilson - risky, but a buy?

Kyren Williams - Seems to me people want to pivot off of him, sure there is risk long term, but they could sign him to an extension. He won't ever be franchise tagged because of his draft capital. Perfect RB to have in a zero RB strategy if you're building around stud WRs?

Chase Brown - Going higher now than last year. He was RB 10 this past season. What if they draft a very good RB, causing more of a committee? He's almost 25 years old. Most got him cheap, so is he a sell? I wouldn't consider him a hard sell. I can see him being a very valuable asset the next couple of years.

Sam LaPorta - How much of a factor is Jameson Williams to Sam LaPorta? I personally hate the idea of selling him. Tier down to someone like Kittle or Hockenson?

Xavier Worthy - Will he sustain what you saw the latter part of last year? Will the Chiefs draft another WR? Will they sign a big name in free agency? If Rashee Rice can come back reasonably healthy and isn't suspended more than a handful of games, how will that affect Worthy? Will Hollywood Brown be a factor? From a fantasy perspective, if Worthy is no more than a WR3 on your fantasy team, then he's an obvious hold. Flex plug and play. Otherwise, he may be a sell.

Sam Darnold - I don't play superflex, so I don't really care. Those that do play SF, some hard decisions regarding Darnold is real. Recency bias has caused his value to be what it is. Is he worth the risk if you're buying? You probably got him cheap and I can definitley see him as a hold for those teams, but if it were me, I would sell if I could get more than I bought him for.

Garret Wilson.... for me it depends on situation. hes probably so cheap you could get him almost for free. so in a dynasty format, sure I'd at least think about buying him and sit him on my bench for a year or two (or until a higher upside prospect comes along) but you can only have room for so many players on your roster like him. so its not a guarantee I'd buy.
Kyren Williams- Yep I'd buy him if you can get him at a discount
LaPorta: he will bounce back. I think hes too good not to. but a trade down for Kittle is a good call. but he does sometimes get injured so you likely need a good backup to cover that risk
Worthy: most WR do not light it up as rookies in Reids system. its fairly complicated. as such, I expect a decent step forward for Worthy in year 2. Hes a buy for me
Darnold: hes a guy you take in superflex if you can get him on the cheap. I wouldnt want him as a starter in a normal league. but I'd consider using him in tandem with another qb so I could play matchups. but hes not a guy I'd go out of my way to buy.

Sorry, but Garrett Wilson isn’t cheap and you cannot almost get him for free. Where did you conjure that up from?

sorry got my Wisons mixed up there. my bad. didnt get a good night of sleep last night lol if you can figure out which wilson I thought you were referring to (who is almost free I'll give you a point)

I'm assuming Russ.

Michael

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That defense might be taking a serious step down, lot's of key FA's.

Good point. I see Bolton is a FA - I'm sure they'll make him a priority. Karlaftis will be back, but yeah, Reid, Omenihu, Uche, Wharton, etc. 2026 is tough too with Karlaftis, McDuffy, Chanal.

I'd bet they find a way to keep most, if not all of those dudes what with the cap going up (reportedly by a lot)

 

[rockaction]

Reid's never schemed open a WR1 like he did with Hill.

Did he scheme him open or was it that Hill was just un-guardable?

Mostly unguardable, but there were a lot of schemed plays for him. Just the very nature of a deep ball requires a schematic bent. You have to max protect, you leave an RB in the backfield to block, etc. He also had a lot of quick hitting routes where he was obviously the first read.

But great catch. I'm just saying Reid has never really had a WR1 like Hill and has never schemed one guy open aside from what he did for Hill (which was Hill's doing mostly).

And also, Mahomes needs an offensive line. He needs to have a healthy base, be in better shape, and they need to improve his line.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And also, Mahomes needs an offensive line. He needs to have a healthy base, be in better shape, and they need to improve his line.

The bolded is also an interesting point. A whole lot of “you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like” memes about the shirtless Mahomes dad-bod, but I think there’s something to this.

Dude is clearly not taking the best care of himself. Maybe he thinks he can get a little soft because of his style of play, but we all know how football be like.

And to keep this on-topic, maybe we should add Mahomes to the original list. I think it’s fair to wonder if Mahomes is a risky QB1 at ADP next year. Kelce is flirting with retirement and he sounds like he’s serious about it.

How confident would anyone here be drafting Mahomes in redraft as a top ~4 QB in the first 4 rounds? assuming he’s going even in the first 6 rounds, I’m out.

By the time you get to Mahomes, I’d probably just rather wait and grab a pair of QBs late while stacking other positions. I think it’s fair to say he’s a very risky QB1 in start-1 QB leagues. He’s a safe QB2 in SF, but that’s not really how anyone who rosters him wants him to perform.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Is it though? I mean a QB losing his WR1 & WR2 during the early part of the season, not to mention his RB1 is going to put a crimp into any offense. The best ones even as evidenced.

I think so. It was happening before this year. The team has shown it wants to win tight games late with Mahomes' strength of willing things to win. Gone are the days of lets outscore them.

Sure Mahomes weapons are lacking but that includes Worthy. I don't see him as a bonafide WR1 in the NFL. He is more complementary and helps an offense and is better for NFL purposes than FF purposes.

I definitely could be wrong as Mahomes has the talent/mind to get back to an elite FF QB but I don't think that is what KC wants. I think they want to win with defense (because they are built that way currently) and let Mahomes magic take over late. The last couple of seasons have gone that direction. I believe it will continue.

It’s also kind of a chicken & the egg thing… It’s not just that KC wants to win like that, it’s that their Defense has improved to the point where they just don’t need Patrick Mahomes throwing for 300 or 400 yards a game.

If I were a Mahomes shareholder, I would also be a little bit concerned that the Eagles just showed everyone a solid blueprint for how to shut down. Kansas City's passing game.

Not for nothing...but KC's defense in terms of PPG allowed this year was 3rd in the AFC West...their defense is very good, not great. And Chris Jones is 31 next season...

You mention the Eagles defense and their 'blueprint', but that's kind of the point. KC averaged .2 points more/game this year than Pittsburgh (22.6/21.8 the last two seasons). Was that only PHI's blueprint or does KC need to get better on this side of the ball?

The differentiator they have foundationaly is Mahomes. That's not to say that they'll eschew augmenting and even relying on other parts of the team in order to be successful. But you've seen them dip into FA, trade market and Rounds 1-2 the last 2 years to try and fortify this part of their attack. It seems clear to me that they want to be more prolific and the hope is with a year under his (Worthy) belt, Rashee returning along with a 100% Pacheco, they can get back to that.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

And also, Mahomes needs an offensive line. He needs to have a healthy base, be in better shape, and they need to improve his line.

The bolded is also an interesting point. A whole lot of “you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like” memes about the shirtless Mahomes dad-bod, but I think there’s something to this.

Dude is clearly not taking the best care of himself. Maybe he thinks he can get a little soft because of his style of play, but we all know how football be like.

And to keep this on-topic, maybe we should add Mahomes to the original list. I think it’s fair to wonder if Mahomes is a risky QB1 at ADP next year. Kelce is flirting with retirement and he sounds like he’s serious about it.

How confident would anyone here be drafting Mahomes in redraft as a top ~4 QB in the first 4 rounds? assuming he’s going even in the first 6 rounds, I’m out.

By the time you get to Mahomes, I’d probably just rather wait and grab a pair of QBs late while stacking other positions. I think it’s fair to say he’s a very risky QB1 in start-1 QB leagues. He’s a safe QB2 in SF, but that’s not really how anyone who rosters him wants him to perform.

To be fair to Mahomes' here...he is delivering in the 4th quarter with the game on the line, although what is striking is the difference in his performance from the 1st half to second half of games the last two seasons:

1st half: 447/628 4692 33/16
2nd half: 341/544 3367 20/9

Will he be a Top 4 QB like he's been the last 2 seasons (and prior)...no. But it doesn't take long for his upside to be much more differentiated from the likes of Love/Murray.