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Arian Foster inactive Week #1 (1 Viewer)
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
If true, would you guys roll with Ward over, say, I dunno..... RYAN MATHEWS?
shadyridr
Footballguy
Im starting Mathews over WardIf true, would you guys roll with Ward over, say, I dunno..... RYAN MATHEWS?
Max Maximus
Footballguy
I may play Delone Carter over Tate.. not sure!
rizzler
Footballguy
Kubiak: (The fuller quote)
“With what we were doing (Friday), I don’t think he missed much. We put him through reps in his own way. He’s got a regimen he goes through. I’m not worried about Arian knowing what to do. He can line up and play.
“We’ll be honest with ourselves as far as the assessment goes, and a lot of that will have to do with how he works for us tomorrow morning (Saturday), but he worked very, very hard today.”
**** SO Foster wouldve already completed his workout to determine his status for tomorrow's game. While I fully anticipate no news will be leaked today, the determination of his status will definitely be made today.
Tomorrow @ noon can't come soon enough.
“With what we were doing (Friday), I don’t think he missed much. We put him through reps in his own way. He’s got a regimen he goes through. I’m not worried about Arian knowing what to do. He can line up and play.
“We’ll be honest with ourselves as far as the assessment goes, and a lot of that will have to do with how he works for us tomorrow morning (Saturday), but he worked very, very hard today.”
**** SO Foster wouldve already completed his workout to determine his status for tomorrow's game. While I fully anticipate no news will be leaked today, the determination of his status will definitely be made today.
Tomorrow @ noon can't come soon enough.
rizzler
Footballguy
You know, I'm actually shocked that Kubiak said if Foster can't go, that Ward would be the starter.That's about 10x more info than they usually let out in a year. I found it quite strange. Leading me to start Tate if Foster doesn;t suit up
Neil Beaufort Zod
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I think that determination was made more than a week ago.
Ever Present Lurker
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John McClain of the Houston Chronicle just tweeted:
shadyridr
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
That notwithstanding, John McClain is not a beat writer you'll want to second-guess.They played Foster 2 weeks after his initial hammy injury
Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
Agreed, I'm not sure if character limitations got in the way of meaning there. But, the point remains that John McClain is a fairly decent source of info when it pertains to all things Texans.
solorca
Footballguy
Wasn't Mcclain the writer who pretty much guaranteed everyone that Foster would play?That notwithstanding, John McClain is not a beat writer you'll want to second-guess.
greggorymac
Footballguy
Anyone know who's been taking the majority of the 1st team snaps in practice with Foster out?
Gopher State
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I think ward and tate or is it tate and ward
Exactly. It's hard to be wrong when a week ago your telling everyone he is a guaranteed play & follow it up a week later with the exact opposite.Wasn't Mcclain the writer who pretty much guaranteed everyone that Foster would play?That notwithstanding, John McClain is not a beat writer you'll want to second-guess.
Native
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Yipi-kayee.That notwithstanding, John McClain is not a beat writer you'll want to second-guess.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Seems like he second guesses himself quite a bitThat notwithstanding, John McClain is not a beat writer you'll want to second-guess.
Die hard to be wrong in fact.It's hard to be wrong when a week ago your telling everyone he is a guaranteed play & follow it up a week later with the exact opposite.Wasn't Mcclain the writer who pretty much guaranteed everyone that Foster would play?That notwithstanding, John McClain is not a beat writer you'll want to second-guess.
GroveDiesel
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It'd be nice if a mod finally changed the title of this thread not to give false hope to people checking in the forum this morning.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Maybe John Clayton does know something
dhockster
Footballguy
Self Pat on the back. Of course I was totally wrong in thinking the Eagles would lose to the Rams.
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Banger
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I don't think it'll be a RBBC but unlike last year where Foster would get 24 of 26 runs, Tate will likely get 5-6 touches a game and eat a bit into Fosters carry dominance.
I think he will steal some carries from Tate but not significant
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I agree, Foster got more than 80% of the RB carries last year which is just asking for injury and unsustainable in the long run. I could see that percentage coming down to the 70% range, especially if Houston's defensive improvements aren't a mirage. I can't see them risking reinjuring Foster by trotting him out to run out the clock in the 4th quarter if the score is out of hand.
Tate lost a fumble. Next week is critical. If he loses two in two games then he will go straight to the dog-house. GK is the worst when it comes to this. I'd be surprised if GK didnt mention the fumble in his presser before he mentioned anything about the positive aspect of Tate's day.
Not that we got to see the Texan's run game in action week 1, what's Foster's value now?
Where would you rank him among CJ2K, Mendenhall, AP, Charles, MJD. (Noone's trading McCoy or Ray Rice)
I'm thinking it's time to sell off Arian if you can get any of these 5 guys.
Where would you rank him among CJ2K, Mendenhall, AP, Charles, MJD. (Noone's trading McCoy or Ray Rice)
I'm thinking it's time to sell off Arian if you can get any of these 5 guys.
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GroveDiesel
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I didn't see it myself, but somebody (I think in thegame thread maybe) said that after the game, Kubiak commented on Tate's explosiveness and said he'd need to see about getting him more involved going forward.So, more positive than negative at this point I'd say.And with Ward and Slaton both being rather pedestrian, I think Tate will be the #2 in Houston going forward.'Tango said:
Banger
Footballguy
that's the way I always thought it would work out and was surprised to see so many going by Ward's #2 on the depth chart. Ward stinks. To win a league you go with the guy with the upside who can hit home runs for you not the guy that's going to give you singles.
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greggorymac
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To be fair Ward had an injury early on and with the game already in hand there was no point in him returning. Barring that injury I think the touches would have been similar. That said... the injury did happen, Tate took full advantage, and going forward Tate has solidified himself as the better option between Ward and probably earned a handful of snaps even when Foster does come back.
We Tigers
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I would think the exact opposite--why would you be selling a guy who, when he comes back, is once again heir to 70-80% of the work in an offense that put up 170 yards and 2 TDs?Tate had a nice week running out the clock and preserving the lead. If you think he gets a significant chunk of the work when Foster returns...well, you own Ben Tate. Nothing wrong with him and he should surely be rostered, but one day as a garbage time star because the two guys in front of him were hurt =/= prolonged success.
DevilintheDetail
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Just like McClain "expected" that Foster would start Week 1?
GregR
Footballguy
I would take Foster over all of those guys unless he stays injured.Tate looked a little better than Ward. But Tate didn't look as good as a healthy Foster does. I'm not worried about RBBC. Tate improved his chances of being the backup and spelling Foster when he needs a breather.
shadyridr
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Based on what?It's possible, but the dude was riding around in the cart yesterday. That's not a good sign to me.FWIW, the Houston homers have pumped up McClain as an excellent source, but he's seemed pretty shaky on this one so far.
GregR
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I don't know he didn't elaborate in his tweet. Foster may have been riding around in a cart at some point yesterday. He also worked out according to Kubiak. I can't speak for all Houston homers but I have stated he's the guy who seems to hear the most from the team, but he's also not always right when he goes off on his own speculation.There are also times that I've thought he was speculating and then he replied to comments to his articles that elaborated that he actually had heard the item directly from someone who would know.
Hey you can't question McClain around here, he's reliable.
Shutout
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To be fair to McClain, it was mentioned by serveral reporting types/announcers yesterday that they believed if foster was truly needed yesterday he would have been a go but knowing they were not facing Manning made it easier to rest another week.Admitedly, that's a little hard for me to get my head around because I think you can't take anything for granted and if you are healthy enough to play, you play. But I guess the professionals wh make the calls on things like these might, just might, put together their stuff for the week and wake up on Sunday morning and say "no Manning..yeah we got this.."
rizzler
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No, but I'm sure they thought they stood a VERY good chance of winning against a team whose franchise, HOF qb was no longer in service.If this was week 17, w/the playoffs on the line, I do think Foster wouldve suited up. I really do.
GregR
Footballguy
Here's an example of why I don't just discard his every opinion as some here seem to advocate. Everyone was reporting that Kevin Walter is going to be out 10-12 weeks with a broken collar bone. The only source I'd seen dispute that was McClain who said he didn't expect Walter to miss more than a game or two. Why? His personal observation that Walter wasn't in pain and wearing a sling after the game wasn't treating it like other players he's seen who had a broken collar bone. So what do we find out today from Kubiak? Walter doesn't have a broken collar bone. It's a bone bruise and it is possible he could even play this week. McClain is far from a lead pipe lock when he's reporting something that he put the pieces together himself on. But I can't name you a single other source of a Texans reporter who actually seems to follow the team on a daily basis to the degree that McClain does, which is why Houstonians look to him first for team info.Back to Foster, another Houston reporter, Lance Zierlein, is speculating Foster will be practicing by Friday. Kubiak said last week that he expected Foster to practice on Thursday, which obviously he didn't. So it probably is a fair bet to think he will practice 6 days after Kubiak expected he would start practicing. Incidentally, after Foster didn't practice Thursday as Kubiak had said he likely would, McClain reported Ward and Tate would start. That's what to expect from him, he believes what the team tells him, even when it might be a coach playing games with the opposition, which is why we frequently refer to him as a mouthpiece for the team.
I'm not sure if I was watching the same game as everyone else, but I thought Tate looked mediocre to disappointing at best. He seemed like a good downhill runner, but lacked ALL of the explosiveness that Foster brings to the running game. Let's not forget this is the same Colts team that Foster DESTROYED last year. 116 and a touchdown seems great, but when watching the game, I can't help but come away with the feeling that Foster would have hung 200+ yards and several touchdowns on them with the same carries. I am a Foster owner in 2 leagues and was terrified entering the day that Tate would look incredible and force some sort of semi timeshare, but walked away with no such fear at all, as I think it was plain to anyone watching that Foster is simply the better, more explosive player. As for the question, I think it was debatable if Foster should have been ranked ahead of Chris Johnson, Charles, and Peterson in the first place (I personally think he was 4th out of those 4 even before the injury and this is from a big Foster supporter and owner), but I saw nothing yesterday that would cause me to drop him behind any of the other guys you mentioned.
Teef
Footballguy
Fosters last game vs. Indy:27-127 2 TD 4.7 ypcTate's last game vs. Indy:24-116 1 TD 4.8 ypcI think Foster is the better player, but I wouldn't call Tate mediocre.
This is much more about how they looked rather than what they actually produced. Like I said, the Colts defense looked TERRIBLE. And I truly do mean TERRIBLE. As I said, if Foster had been playing, it is likely he would have gone over 200 yards on them again instead of "just" the 116 that Tate put up.
