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As another student dies, it’s time to ban fraternity/sorority hazing. It’s stupid and dangerous. (1 Viewer)

Sure but are you going to ban ALL of them?
Would I if I could? Absolutely. Most of the rest of the world's universities gets along fine without them, kids go to college everywhere else and manage to make friends, hang out with them, even get completely ####ed up all without the benefit of any sort of weirdo secret society that humiliates you and ruins months of your life if you want admission. The positives are pretty few and far between, and they can be replicated by non-exclusive entities, like campus groups that do charitable works in the community.

America's a strange place. :shrug:

 
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You and I both know that's utter nonsense. There was plenty of non-fraternity-affiliated alcohol in our dorms.

I'm going to post something in the mod forum about suspending your account for this foolishness.
Not at my sons school .  A large public university with 16000 students.  Off campus parties get shut down quickly and the best fake ids are confiscated.  Just talking from experience....

 
Is this shtick?
No.  My son attends UConn now.  Campus is dry, fake ids are confiscated, off campus parties are shut down fast for the most part, caught with alcohol on campus and under age you are kicked off..  The best way to parties is joining a frat or sorority .  

 
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No.  My son attends UConn now.  Campus is dry, fake ids are confiscated, off campus parties are shut down fast for the most part, caught with alcohol on campus and under age you are kicked off..  The best way to parties is joining a frat or sorority .  
Seems like maybe some innovation is required. It's not supposed to be easy. :shrug:

 
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Seems like maybe some innovation is required. It's not supposed to be easy. :shrug:
The wise move, as it's always been, is to just avoid the large gatherings. Whether in an apartment or dorm, you can drink and smoke all you like as you don't broadcast it to the authorities by inviting a few hundred people over and blaring music.

A few buddies and a few of the hottest chicks they know hanging out in an apartment or dorm is a much better place to be than a house party. And really, that's the best case end result from a house party anyway (well, it's the last step before the real optimal end result at least), so you may as well skip it and avoid the headache.

 
Wait, do kids even do house parties anymore? I thought they just played Fortnite all day and night, then hit up Tinder (or whatever) for a quick video game break.

 
stlrams said:
No.  My son attends UConn now.  Campus is dry, fake ids are confiscated, off campus parties are shut down fast for the most part, caught with alcohol on campus and under age you are kicked off..  The best way to parties is joining a frat or sorority .  
Sounds like your sons aren't very resourceful.

 
One idea...parents should probably introduce their kids to alcohol in a controlled environment before they experience it in an uncontrolled one.

 
I’ve told my son on countless occasions that when he goes off to college, he should really develop a taste for beer and stick with that if he’s going to drink.  It’s pretty hard to die of alcohol poisoning from drinking regular beer. And I’d say the same for a daughter if I had one. Bottled beer. Harder to tamper with and easier to control your intake.

During my time in a fraternity we never had a single alcohol related incident.  I chalk that up to the fact that we almost exclusively drank and served beer. 

 
I’ve told my son on countless occasions that when he goes off to college, he should really develop a taste for beer and stick with that if he’s going to drink.  It’s pretty hard to die of alcohol poisoning from drinking regular beer. And I’d say the same for a daughter if I had one. Bottled beer. Harder to tamper with and easier to control your intake.

During my time in a fraternity we never had a single alcohol related incident.  I chalk that up to the fact that we almost exclusively drank and served beer. 
Sounds good in a vacuum but reality is frat or sorority initiation involves non beer now.  Sorry.   My son, over my objections, joined a frat in spring 2018.  He and his 9 fellow pledges had to down a hand of vodka while standing in the snow.  Then they enter the initiation party with grain alcohol.  My son and one other pledge went to emergency room.  Lucky for me nothing serious happen other then $3000 bill  

 
Sounds good in a vacuum but reality is frat or sorority initiation involves non beer now.  Sorry.   My son, over my objections, joined a frat in spring 2018.  He and his 9 fellow pledges had to down a hand of vodka while standing in the snow.  Then they enter the initiation party with grain alcohol.  My son and one other pledge went to emergency room.  Lucky for me nothing serious happen other then $3000 bill  
That is so scary and I am so glad your son is okay.

Yeah, my son has no interest in being a part of anything like that. Honestly, part of his college evaluations are schools with low Greek participation numbers rather than high ones. 

Which is sort of a bummer for me since fraternity was a huge part of my college experience and Chance was posthumously initiated — I wear his badge now when I go to fraternity events (I buried mine with him).  So obviously, my fraternity means a huge deal to me. But my other son is a different kind of kid - he has a relatively inflexible sense of right and wrong (and can be quite judgmental) and can’t stand anything even resembling peer pressure.  I think he’d have difficulty navigating some of the moral ambiguities of Greek life (even things as basic as dudes bragging about their hookups or discussing potential conquests).  He also prefers hanging with a small group of friends rather than large groups. 

 
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I’ve told my son on countless occasions that when he goes off to college, he should really develop a taste for beer and stick with that if he’s going to drink.  It’s pretty hard to die of alcohol poisoning from drinking regular beer. And I’d say the same for a daughter if I had one. Bottled beer. Harder to tamper with and easier to control your intake.

During my time in a fraternity we never had a single alcohol related incident.  I chalk that up to the fact that we almost exclusively drank and served beer. 
My wife told me that NCST students have developed nail polish that will detect date rape drugs.  I think she seen it on the local news.  I will look for it.

 

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