DoubleDCup
Footballguy
Loved him on draft day and loving him now.
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Ashley Lelie (1 Viewer)
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Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
On pace for 900+ yards & 8 TDs. I like the over.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
3 month "guarantees" worthless? Check.1 game "guarantees" worthless? Check.Have any mid-term guarantees we can bet against? Thanks in advance.You want facts? Ok, here's a FACT....Through 3 games Lelie has been targeted a WHOPPING 9 times. 9 TIMES!!! Even your thick skull would see that it's only 3 per game. Do you really think that a player getting targeted three times a game will really have any effect on the outcome of your game? The guy who started this thread sure seems to and that's why I called him out.If you want to come on here and just make yourself look big by rehashing topics from 6 months ago, then by all means do it. People see right through the paper thin guise.As I discussed before, the Holmes comments were made right after the Chiefs picked up Johnson in the draft. A lot of things were being said about his hip and A LOT of weird stuff was being said. Please tell me where I "guaranteed" that his career was over. I may have said that I felt it was over but never guaranteed it.Again, get your facts before you make yourself look any dumber than you are.OK, now I understand. It takes a couple of months for your guarantees to become worthless. Please excuse me for reducing that time-frame to a couple of weeks.The point that you aren't getting is that you seem to make judgements on very little info and spout them as if they were well-reasoned positions when they are in fact knee-jerk reactions based on very little. You type a lot and make strong statements, but you really have very little to back them up which is why your statements CHANGE so dramatically.I'm out. Enjoy your day.Lets see...Very short equals 6 months to you? (April to September?). I posted about Holmes' status waaaayyy back in April right after they drafted Johnson and when a lot of speculation was going around about his health. As we got closer the season and things started to get a lot less murky, drafting Priest was the right decision for me. If you don't like it, too bad. Nobody likes hearing from you anyway. Go home!!OK, so you now say that you completely reversed your position on a player from "He won't ever play again" to actively pursuing the guy in drafts. Thanks for the new info.Is this supposed to make me feel BETTER about your "guarantees"? I'm a little confused. So in a couple of weeks, you'll be saying Lelie is the next Rice after you have been proven wrong as you were in the case of Holmes? How does this make your "guarantee" more reliable?I simply remembered your last guarantee and mentioned it as evidence that your "guarantees" aren't worth much. I apparently did not not do enough "Bristol" research to complete the analysis. I guess I should have assumed you might COMPLETELY reverse your position within a very short timespan. My bad.And I'M the idiot.Uhhh...Already addresses this in a previous post. Had my reservations about Holmes coming out of NFL draft, but preseason quelled my fears. Like I said before, I have him in two leagues and dropped down to get him.Don't make yourself look like an idiot. Have the facts before you post.You also guaranteed in no uncertain terms that Priest Holmes' career was over. You'll have to forgive me if I don't take your guarantees very seriously.SMOKING CRACK!!!!Let's see...He gets three catches for 100+ yards and a score. One of those receptions was due to BLOWN COVERAGE and it just so happens that it was a 44 yard catch for the TD. He will not get those "gimmes" every week. Take that away and he has a very pedestrian night of 2 catches of 56 yards. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut and that's way I attribute his performance to last night.It's almost laughable that you guys are so desperate for this guy to succeed that you don't see the forest for the trees. He is mediocre at best and anyone still clinging to him is doing so on false pretences. Patience has nothing to do with it. It's more like stupidity.Give it up. He's not the savior and never will be. Go ahead and start him next week. I guarantee you will lose.
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
It's grammar, btw, and his problem more closely resembles yours: spelling.Yeah...
And you are not very good with your grammer....
LOL Bristol it is funny that you point out my mistake in spelling in order to make yourself look better because of your asinine comment about Lelie. What really happened is you made yourself look even more stupid by not spelling a word correctly in your attempt to make fun at me. Enjoy all the crap that gets heaped on you buddy. 
Bristol wrote:"You want facts? Ok, here's a FACT....Through 3 games Lelie has been targeted a WHOPPING 9 times. 9 TIMES!!! Even your thick skull would see that it's only 3 per game. Do you really think that a player getting targeted three times a game will really have any effect on the outcome of your game? "I'm with you, Bristol. C'mon...9 targets thru 3 games? And he can only manage 23.4 total FFL pts?? I mean, anyone with common sense knows that with that production Plummer will never get comfortable with AL. That's only good for 28th best WR (thru 3 games). He's barely better than Stallworth (#31), Key Johnson (#36), M. Harrison (#41). Even Rod Smith is way down at #59. Ya know, cuz AL must have been drafted way higher than those stiffs. Oh wait, you mean AL might actually be a great *value* pick?? But Bristol, you're such an FFL genius. Surely your wisdom is beyond our comprehension. LOL.Bought AL cheap in my dynasty auction (as well as J. Porter) to go with T. Holt. I think I'll be in fine WR shape by the end of this season (and many years to come). Also traded Moe Williams for AL in a keeper league. Oh, pissing wars make both of you look like idiots. 
Al Davis
Footballguy
I am going to keep this post alive until the majority of sharks acknowledge Lelie as a stud. He is blazing fast in the defensive backfield and seems to learn something new on every catch. Word on him from the inside, mind you this is speculation as to no identified link, is that he is a hard worker and apt pupil and yearning to be the best, not on Denver but the NFL. I planted my flag next to this guy, I advise all to trade for him now. Every player has their question marks but their is a certain vibe with Lelie that I cannot dismiss.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Not a stud, not remotely a stud right now. Probably not in 2003, too many options. Exactly what number option is he in the redzone, if the's in. Portis, Sharpe, Plummer bootleg, Droughns and Rod Smith are all in front of him right now, he's probably tied with Easy Ed. He's also a wideout on a team that will be running a lot of 4th quarter clock out this year if things hold to form.Now I"m loving Plummer's playaction, and I'll go right ahead and say this is the best Plummer's looked in his career. And what Lelie IS is tremendous value for where he was drafted(in most cases). I was able to get him after the 10th round, and I consider him a mediocre WR3 right now, with the potential to be more with the right opponent and more time. Hey, this is a big game, the eyes of the country will be on this. Let me see Lelie make something happen for Plummer here and make a statement. Studs on the level you're raving about, Moss, Owens, Harrison, Moulds, Horn, Buress, etc are able to seize the day with their prescence and will and make a statement. I'm not going to lose faith in him if he doesn't, I own him in 3 of 4 leagues and I couldn't be happier with that. But lets not make him bigger than he is, which is a nice suprise if you got him late enough or got him off waivers off those first 2 weeks.
boonesfarm4me
Footballguy
I am a Lelie Owner and i think Lelie IS the WR to have on Denver. The other options on the team that were previously mentioned do not concerm me. Lelie is Plummers deep threat and is the fastest WR on the team. PORTIS is only going to help Lelie on deep play action passes. I expect alot of BIG TD passes from Plummer in the coming weeks.I expect Lelie to have a HUGE week against KC and maybe next week he'll get some respect climbing the FBGs rankings. I dont know where all the Lelie bashing is coming from but i have alot of trade offers for Lelie i'm turning down on a daily basis.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Lelie played like someone named Ashley today.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Has this post died?
Night Hawks
Footballguy
I'm going to need him this week with Chad Johnson and Nate Burleson as my #1-2. Lelie is taking Eric Moulds' place. Not like idiot Moulds has done anything.
Let's hope he gets a few this Monday night.
Al Davis
Footballguy
Thanks for reviving this post, it has been in a coma much like Lelie. No one expected Plummer going down, Steve went with familiarity and Kanell is lost. Lelie is learning now on an quicker curve, why not load the box now on Portis meaning they just need someone to chuck it out there and let the kid make some plays one on one. While he did have seperation problems against Baltimore I tend to believe it was because of the unsettling discomfort and bad timing with the QB scenario. He may not drastically explode because of the QB but I amped up for Plummer to get back and make Lelie a key fantasy WR thru the fantasy stretch and playoffs.
Bristol
Footballguy
I love this!!The season is half over and you guys are still making excuses for this guy. When will you finally admit that he is not all you hyped him up to be? Cut him now while you can and get a useful plyer. If anyone is still holing on to him, I would venture to guess that your team is under .500. Mistakes are only mistakes if you refuse to correct them.Admit the hype was unjustified. If not, I will bump this thread everyday and expose all of the so called "sharks" who have tooted his horn from day one.Sharks....HA!!
Night Hawks
Footballguy
:rotflmao: Oh no! Not that!!
:rotflmao: I like the kid. Haven't been a staunch defender. I held my hype back because of Plummer. I'm hoping he blows up and has a CJ type second half but I ain't holding my breath.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Don't give up on Lelie yet, he was on fire before Plummer went down. As long as you don't have to start him before Plummer returns to the lineup, he'll do ok later in the year for you.GGEDIT: I have him. I'm 6-2. I've only played him in two or three times, and he's helped my team when he was in there.
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Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
Amazing how the 40th ranked WR gets so much talk.. Move on just another WR thats hit or miss every week. nice bye week fill in for this year nothing more..
boonesfarm4me
Footballguy
I have Lelie and started him the 1st 4 weeks and 1 week with Beuerlein. He has been on my bench since. I dont need Lelie at this point with Ward, Bruce, Mason, Porter and J.Reed, starting 3.i am 7-1 and i was 5-0 with Lelie starting but will admit Lelie had nothing to do with my record. Lelie will probably turn it up a notch down the stretch..
Miggity
not a phallus
I'm in the camp that says wait until Plummer comes back. I've seen enough of the Broncos offense to notice that he is getting targets, and they are not of the Peter Warrick 5-yard-out variety, but much deeper down the sidelines. The accuracy on those passes is simply not there.Until then, I am happy to leave him on my bench behind Harrison, Coles, and Hilliard.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Haha, that's pretty funny. I didn't even notice it, but you're right - that's what it looks like.GG
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Lelie being the 40'th WR is a case of misleading statistics. That's not something you need to worry about.What you DO need to worry about is the stuff you can't find in those statistics. How often he's targeted per game (ie how big a part of the gameplan is he), what kind of passes he's targeted on, WHY those passes aren't being completed...that sort of detail is what is important. My research on the guy has me convinced he's worth keeping around - not because he could be a good bye-week filler, but that he might end up being an every-week starter once Plummer is back.If I'm right, that gives me leeway to deal away a bigger name receiver for a decent RB with a good schedule later in the season. If I'm wrong, he continues to ride the pine.GG
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
There are stats and there are facts. Yes I know he has been targeted a lot but lets see who will be throwing the ball to him.. Plus factor he is the teams #3 WR.. He has a lot of upside but like the Onterrio Smith threads thats it. Nothing more. Keeper/Dynasty leagues only really need to worry about him..
wilked
Footballguy
He the #2 WR, but probably the third option (with Sharpe in the mix)If you are referring to McAffrey, please tell me you are joking.FYI I have no misconceptions regrding Lelie. He is a WR4 in a 12 team league, but what sets him apart is potential. He is a bye-week fill-in for me this week, and I like his chances of turning in 80+ and a TD Mon night.
Bristol
Footballguy
I can't believe that you people continue to try and rationalize this. The question you need to ask is: if he is being targeted so much than why is he have subpar games? BECAUSE HE STINKS!!! He is not your savior!!! Cut bait while you still can.This thread is the perfect example of the rise and fall of a FBG OVERHYPED player. Want some real enjoyment? Read this thread from beginning to end. It's sickening how many people here hyped this guy and through 8 weeks he has done SQUAT!!!
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Post facts and stats with breakdowns and convince me Lelie is not a good player. If you don't have numbers to back up your claims then you have no reason to post. It's true Lelie is not a Lvl1 WR like Moss or Harrison but is very capable of becoming a Lvl2 WR in the league this year. Look at the fact that he has now played through three QB's here's his targets and info for the season with Smith and Sharpe in the mix.Player T R Yd TDAshley Lelie 47 19 341 2Shannon Sharpe 56 33 394 4Rod Smith 61 37 454 1Week 4 (Plummer)Lelie 7 4 76 1Sharpe 9 7 74 1Smith 5 5 61 0Week 5 Lelie 9 3 36 0Sharpe 7 3 40 0Smith 11 8 131 0Week 6 (Steve)Lelie 3 1 5 0Sharpe 9 6 55 1Smith 8 4 70 1Week 7 Lelie 9 3 43 0Sharpe 10 7 79 0Smith 9 3 24 0Week 8 (Yikes)Lelie 10 3 28 0Sharpe 4 2 15 0Smith 8 4 23 0You can see the drop off in production after plummer is out for Lelie. Steve prefered what he was comftable with and gave Lelie very few looks in fact portis had 6 targets to Lelie's three in that game. I didn't see the game but assume they were looking to dump the ball quickly. I hate to even comment on Week 8 the Wr's seem to have been targeted more but not having anyone above 60% is not a good sign. All in all lelie has growing to do and will become a better WR down the stretch, fantasy wise you just have to wait for him to come out. I don't see this happening until Plummer is back in the line up, mainly due to the low completion ratio shown in week 8 even though the targets were there.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
If P. Manning goes down and Harrison's numbers go down even though he's targeted alot does that mean he stinks? No. You have to look at the situation with a bit of intelligence and try and decipher what's going on. In Denver right now you have had three QB's all of which present issues for WR's. Plummer is new to the system and prone to mistakes. Steve knows the system but always goes to a comfort zone so is very predictable. And finally we have the third string QB coming in and shaking everything up. Lelie is not near experienced enough to cope with the situation and I'm willing to bet Harrison would have issues in performance also under the same circumstances. So post facts and try and look at the whole picture.
RKade
Footballguy
If you "love" when people make up stuff then why do you want them to "give it up already"?I think you better look at the stats. He was catching 3 balls a game and wasn't getting the looks. I love when people make stuff like this up just to justify their mistake.Give it up already.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Your stats are almost right.I think you better look at the stats. He was catching 3 balls a game and wasn't getting the looks. I love when people make stuff like this up just to justify their mistake.Give it up already.
Primetime Players
Footballguy
Just read this thread for the first time today. I have to say that the one person who makes the best point is Bristol. Lelie may be good some year, but at the moment, he’s worthless. If you’re starting him, you have wr problems. In fact, I would say he’s not even worth talking about at this point. Plummer is hurt and all Denver players are going to suffer until he comes back.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Good article on Lelie's recent struggles with Beuerlein and Kanell. Sure he's been a non-factor recently but he is getting looks. With Plummer due back in 2 weeks Lelie is a great buy low prospect right now, especially with all of the uncertainty at WR this year in FF. I still believe he is a top 25 WR with Plummer at QB.Looking for a sparkBroncos WR Lelie aims to end slump without PlummerBy Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain NewsNovember 1, 2003Ashley Lelie often has pointed to the New England game last October as the turning point of his rookie season. A 40-yard, fourth-down catch that day sealed a Denver Broncos victory and sent the wide receiver's confidence soaring.Self-assurance isn't the problem for Lelie as he prepares for Monday night's rematch against the Patriots at Invesco Field at Mile High.But he could use a long reception to provide another jump start.No Broncos offensive player has seemingly been more affected by Jake Plummer's absence over the last three weeks than Lelie.With Plummer at quarterback the first five games, Lelie enjoyed a four-game stretch that included seven catches in excess of 20 yards and two long touchdowns. He averaged 22.1 yards on 12 receptions, had one 100-yard game and also drew a pair of pass interference penalties on throws in his direction.But since Steve Beuerlein and Danny Kanell have been behind center, Lelie's production - much like Denver's passing offense as a whole -- has dipped."We've had depleted resources," said Denver wide receivers coach Steve Watson, pointing to losses, too, at his position and at tackle. "So that changes everything."A 25-yard catch against Minnesota and a 38-yard pass interference call by Pittsburgh's Troy Polamalu in coverage represent Lelie's biggest contributions as the Broncos have lost two of three. The fact Lelie has only seven catches for 76 yards during that span comes despite an increase in playing time with Ed McCaffrey out because of a quadriceps injury."I haven't been making the plays I should be making," Lelie said, citing Sunday's 26-6 loss to Baltimore as an example."There were a couple there that I got my hands on, and I've got to beat the DB enough to not even make him a factor. I need to pick my play up, definitely. They're counting on me with Ed down to pick up the slack, and I haven't been doing that."It isn't as if the Broncos aren't trying to get Lelie involved.The ball has been thrown in Lelie's direction at least 12 times in the past three games but fallen incomplete - including seven passes during the loss to the Ravens. Balls have sailed out of bounds, off Lelie's fingertips, been underthrown, or he has just been covered well."He's out there battling," Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak said. "And there's some things he can do better and some things I can do better to find him more opportunities. We went to him last week. We tried to go to him on some balls down the field and we needed to make some of those throws to be the difference in the game. But he's working hard, and he's getting better. We'd all like the numbers to be better. And I think they will be."Lelie has heard more from coaches about his blocking in the run game then about his pass-catching. And he appears more fixated on giving a better effort on every snap than his pass-catching, which he believes eventually will pick up within the confines of the game plan."I haven't really lost confidence or anything like that because every ball that I can really, really get my hands on, I've caught most of them," Lelie said. "And I don't think I've had a flat-out drop yet this season. So I'm not going to be hard on myself."If anything, Lelie sees a need to be more aggressive battling for the ball. Coming down with tough grabs in similar spots during training camp increased expectations for the receiver entering this season."I've got to win the one-on-one battles," he said.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
If Torry Holt can be a stud, anything's possible.I have always maintained that anyone with the name Ashley Lelie will never be considered a STUD... A good receiver?? maybe..... Stud?? Nahhh.....
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Although Lelie has been riding the pine, and he'll be riding the pine for awhile, he's helped my team when I was forced to start him earlier in the year. I wouldn't call that 'doing nothing.' No matter how many capital letters you use, the facts are there. Whether he'll be worth something when Plummer returns remains to be seen. I don't think anyone is stupid for holding him on their roster as a reserve, nor do I think they'd be stupid to cut him. It all depends on the texture of the rest of your team. Since I drafted well and have good depth, I can afford to hang on to him. He certainly has more upside than anything I see on the waiver wire.GG
