A stop and go and a guy that read it for a stop and go and made a really really loose call down I guessWHAT THE HELL WAS THAT??????????
A stop and go and a guy that read it for a stop and go and made a really really loose call down I guessWHAT THE HELL WAS THAT??????????
i missed the hand - what is a "stop and go"
You're in the blinds, someone raises you. If you reraise, it'll pretty much be all in. Instead of doing that, you flat call but then push all in on the flop no matter what comes. Greg Raymer has written a bunch about it on 2p2 before he became famous I think.i missed the hand - what is a "stop and go"
gotcha. tough loss there man. nice cashYou're in the blinds, someone raises you. If you reraise, it'll pretty much be all in. Instead of doing that, you flat call but then push all in on the flop no matter what comes. Greg Raymer has written a bunch about it on 2p2 before he became famous I think.i missed the hand - what is a "stop and go"
what was the cash?thanks all
$9786what was the cash?thanks all
very cool man. congrats$9786what was the cash?thanks all
Well he and I were chatting on AIM during it and he was totally card dead. Hard to do much when every pot is opened prior to you and you look at T4o etc.The one time he was able to try and steal the chip leader played back at him on a AQJxx board and Hero had 89s. Not much he could do being one of the short stacks because any resteal he would have tried commits him. Hard to do w/ Tx, 74o etc.Congrats on the nice finishes. That being said, I watched some of the final table and I thought you kind of played like a nit. I don't think you gave yuorself a chance to win or even finish in the top 2 or 3 playing so tight. It seemed to me that you were grossly outplayed. I'm not trying to bash you, just give constructive criticism.
Attaboy, Cheetah!$9786what was the cash?thanks all
Actually lost money playing poker overall yesterday10k in one tourney and 2k in another. Geeze. Decent night I suppose.
Wynn Classic?Actually lost money playing poker overall yesterday10k in one tourney and 2k in another. Geeze. Decent night I suppose.
I've had people tell me this for years, especially on twoplustwo whenever they've sweated me there. However, when I look at my stats I'm just not seeing it. My top 10 results according to Official Poker Rankings:9 1st places2 1st place ties(must've been satellites where multiple people win the same 1st prize)5 2nd places10 3rd places49 4th-10th place finishesThat breaks down to:12% of the time getting 1st2.66% of the time tying for 1st6.66% of the time getting 2nd13.33% of the time getting 3rd65.33% of the time getting 4th-10thObviously with only 75 samples, the variance here is huge and the numbers don't really tell the entire story. Moreover, I'll be the first to admit that in every tournament I've won I've had cards or gotten lucky. I've never just ran over a table with aggression. However, I did think my A7s reraise was aggressive and calling all in with 99 was certainly not being a nit as it was very likely at that point that I was a small favorite or huge dog(although 88 and 77 would also be possible and depending on the opponent smaller pocket pairs too I guess). But I don't want to completely dismiss your criticism. What I'll do is this: I'll email Stars support to see if they can send me the hand histories from the final table and post them here and we'll go through them all. Hopefully it can get me to further analyze and improve my game.Congrats on the nice finishes. That being said, I watched some of the final table and I thought you kind of played like a nit. I don't think you gave yuorself a chance to win or even finish in the top 2 or 3 playing so tight. It seemed to me that you were grossly outplayed. I'm not trying to bash you, just give constructive criticism.
nah, bad sessions online at PLO. I had been crushing it for $20K or so the past week, but dropped $13K yesterday. I love the game, but I want to do things the right way so I'm gonna start a "PLO quest" here I think, starting at lower stakes and working my way up.Wynn Classic?Actually lost money playing poker overall yesterday10k in one tourney and 2k in another. Geeze. Decent night I suppose.
I would hope to buy everything I ever buy without taking a loan out. I don't see the problem with paying straight cash really. Just explain what I do and they'll be happy to have sold their house, no?Hey AF -A buddy of mine was asking me what you are going to do when you are ready to buy a house? Are you going to have to resort to getting a normal job for a few years? It has got to be a red flag when you pay for a house in cash . I think I read that your credit is o.k., even so I think it would be difficult to get a long term loan for something like a house given your unstable source of income.
as long as you pay taxesI would hope to buy everything I ever buy without taking a loan out. I don't see the problem with paying straight cash really. Just explain what I do and they'll be happy to have sold their house, no?Hey AF -A buddy of mine was asking me what you are going to do when you are ready to buy a house? Are you going to have to resort to getting a normal job for a few years? It has got to be a red flag when you pay for a house in cash . I think I read that your credit is o.k., even so I think it would be difficult to get a long term loan for something like a house given your unstable source of income.
I pay taxes on anything I win online because that money goes directly into my bank account and is obviously traceable. I have not paid taxes on money won in a casino that just sits in my deposit box in the casino. I have always thought this to be perfectly safe, no?as long as you pay taxesI would hope to buy everything I ever buy without taking a loan out. I don't see the problem with paying straight cash really. Just explain what I do and they'll be happy to have sold their house, no?Hey AF -A buddy of mine was asking me what you are going to do when you are ready to buy a house? Are you going to have to resort to getting a normal job for a few years? It has got to be a red flag when you pay for a house in cash . I think I read that your credit is o.k., even so I think it would be difficult to get a long term loan for something like a house given your unstable source of income.
I guess the red flag I was talking about is if you were to move into a nice house and then get audited. So long as your reported online income >> cost of assets + living expenses Granted the risk of getting audited is probably small, but something to consider before plunking down a lot of dough before consulting with an accountant.I pay taxes on anything I win online because that money goes directly into my bank account and is obviously traceable. I have not paid taxes on money won in a casino that just sits in my deposit box in the casino. I have always thought this to be perfectly safe, no?as long as you pay taxesI would hope to buy everything I ever buy without taking a loan out. I don't see the problem with paying straight cash really. Just explain what I do and they'll be happy to have sold their house, no?Hey AF -A buddy of mine was asking me what you are going to do when you are ready to buy a house? Are you going to have to resort to getting a normal job for a few years? It has got to be a red flag when you pay for a house in cash . I think I read that your credit is o.k., even so I think it would be difficult to get a long term loan for something like a house given your unstable source of income.
Any limits before you move down? like 5 B.I.'s?Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money.
Eh, not sure to be honest. I guess 5 sounds good though.Any limits before you move down? like 5 B.I.'s?Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money.
One of the things I have learned about PLO is that many of the people at the table will be PLO specialists. As a result, I think the level of play is higher than at hold-em. This can be good as I often struggle against really bad players, but it can cut profits too.Assani Fisher said:Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money. I'll be 4 tabling 6 max games.
Can be tough when you are used to holdem, but 2nd set isn't that strong a hand. I think I would have folded unless I had a read that this guy would throw a big raise with something weak. Nice result anyhow.wow, I run wellPokerStars Game #15885111393: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 16:59:00 (ET)Table 'Galilea IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Stara78 ($251.40 in chips) Seat 2: jwvdcw ($227.35 in chips) Seat 3: dirmic88 ($201.95 in chips) Seat 4: takeitdown2 ($101.60 in chips) Seat 5: BalticBi ($374.25 in chips) Seat 6: Miros ($202.95 in chips) dirmic88: posts small blind $1takeitdown2: posts big blind $2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [9d 9c Ts Qc]BalticBi: calls $2Miros: folds Stara78: folds jwvdcw: raises $7 to $9dirmic88: calls $8takeitdown2: folds BalticBi: calls $7*** FLOP *** [9s Ks 4d]dirmic88: checks BalticBi: checks jwvdcw: bets $22dirmic88: folds BalticBi: raises $71.55 to $93.55jwvdcw: raises $124.80 to $218.35 and is all-inBalticBi: calls $124.80*** TURN *** [9s Ks 4d] [Jc]*** RIVER *** [9s Ks 4d Jc] [6s]*** SHOW DOWN ***BalticBi: shows [2h Kd Kc 4h] (three of a kind, Kings)jwvdcw: shows [9d 9c Ts Qc] (a straight, Nine to King)jwvdcw collected $462.70 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $465.70 | Rake $3 Board [9s Ks 4d Jc 6s]Seat 1: Stara78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: jwvdcw (button) showed [9d 9c Ts Qc] and won ($462.70) with a straight, Nine to KingSeat 3: dirmic88 (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: takeitdown2 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: BalticBi showed [2h Kd Kc 4h] and lost with three of a kind, KingsSeat 6: Miros folded before Flop (didn't bet)
I could end up totally sucking and losing money and this statement will look foolish, but I really think people suck at this game. They play it far too passively, don't bluff enough, don't make enough call downs when getting proper odds, etc. I feel as if I'm nearly always the most aggressive player at the table.One of the things I have learned about PLO is that many of the people at the table will be PLO specialists. As a result, I think the level of play is higher than at hold-em. This can be good as I often struggle against really bad players, but it can cut profits too.Assani Fisher said:Alright, so I'm starting up a online PLO quest. I need a new challenge and I'm loving PLO these days. I'm gonna start at $1/2 on Stars. If I win 10 buy ins then I move up to $2/4. Win 10 buy ins and move up again, and so on and so on, hopefully all the way up to $25/50. I'll post interesting hands and give daily results. If I flame out and suck then I may quit after a few days, but I'm hopeful that I can learn to play the game well and beat it for some decent money. I'll be 4 tabling 6 max games.
The fact that I had been so aggressive impacted my decision a lot. I felt that he definitely would've stood up to me with bottom set given how I've been playing. Then the 4 gutshot outs made it a call imo. I do agree with you that smaller sets are huge trouble spots at times though.Can be tough when you are used to holdem, but 2nd set isn't that strong a hand. I think I would have folded unless I had a read that this guy would throw a big raise with something weak. Nice result anyhow.wow, I run wellPokerStars Game #15885111393: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/10 - 16:59:00 (ET)Table 'Galilea IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Stara78 ($251.40 in chips) Seat 2: jwvdcw ($227.35 in chips) Seat 3: dirmic88 ($201.95 in chips) Seat 4: takeitdown2 ($101.60 in chips) Seat 5: BalticBi ($374.25 in chips) Seat 6: Miros ($202.95 in chips) dirmic88: posts small blind $1takeitdown2: posts big blind $2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [9d 9c Ts Qc]BalticBi: calls $2Miros: folds Stara78: folds jwvdcw: raises $7 to $9dirmic88: calls $8takeitdown2: folds BalticBi: calls $7*** FLOP *** [9s Ks 4d]dirmic88: checks BalticBi: checks jwvdcw: bets $22dirmic88: folds BalticBi: raises $71.55 to $93.55jwvdcw: raises $124.80 to $218.35 and is all-inBalticBi: calls $124.80*** TURN *** [9s Ks 4d] [Jc]*** RIVER *** [9s Ks 4d Jc] [6s]*** SHOW DOWN ***BalticBi: shows [2h Kd Kc 4h] (three of a kind, Kings)jwvdcw: shows [9d 9c Ts Qc] (a straight, Nine to King)jwvdcw collected $462.70 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $465.70 | Rake $3 Board [9s Ks 4d Jc 6s]Seat 1: Stara78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: jwvdcw (button) showed [9d 9c Ts Qc] and won ($462.70) with a straight, Nine to KingSeat 3: dirmic88 (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: takeitdown2 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: BalticBi showed [2h Kd Kc 4h] and lost with three of a kind, KingsSeat 6: Miros folded before Flop (didn't bet)
keep it up AF. Also, check your PMs.great great start. Played for a little over 3 hours and up $1482, just under 3/4 of the way til I can move up to $2/4!
Actually lost money playing poker overall yesterday10k in one tourney and 2k in another. Geeze. Decent night I suppose.