Assani's Poker Thread (2 Viewers)

[The Ref]

out of Sunday Million...PokerStars Game #13908815312: Tournament #69523218, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2007/12/16 - 20:11:11 (ET)Table '69523218 828' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: wyldzakk13 (47592 in chips) Seat 2: Dr Seemann (92817 in chips) Seat 3: SOXFAN83 (112940 in chips) Seat 4: TIJO (117292 in chips) Seat 5: dannyboy2 (75197 in chips) Seat 6: jwvdcw (30365 in chips) Seat 7: scarface407 (36139 in chips) Seat 8: dr ket (46140 in chips) Seat 9: shini_333 (16023 in chips) wyldzakk13: posts the ante 300Dr Seemann: posts the ante 300SOXFAN83: posts the ante 300TIJO: posts the ante 300dannyboy2: posts the ante 300jwvdcw: posts the ante 300scarface407: posts the ante 300dr ket: posts the ante 300shini_333: posts the ante 300TIJO: posts small blind 1500dannyboy2: posts big blind 3000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Js Kc]jwvdcw: raises 27065 to 30065 and is all-inscarface407: folds dr ket: folds shini_333: folds wyldzakk13: folds Dr Seemann: calls 30065SOXFAN83: folds TIJO: folds dannyboy2: folds *** FLOP *** [8c 8h 8s]*** TURN *** [8c 8h 8s] [6c]*** RIVER *** [8c 8h 8s 6c] [2c]*** SHOW DOWN ***jwvdcw: shows [Js Kc] (three of a kind, Eights)Dr Seemann: shows [Kd Ad] (three of a kind, Eights - Ace kicker)wyldzakk13 said, "fbnhl.tæ"wyldzakk13 said, "nmleyhju"wyldzakk13 said, "etymey"wyldzakk13 said, "mu"wyldzakk13 said, "erymu"Dr Seemann collected 67330 from potwyldzakk13 said, "et"wyldzakk13 said, "hynm"wyldzakk13 said, "ety"wyldzakk13 said, "nm"wyldzakk13 said, "tenhy"wyldzakk13 said, "ety"wyldzakk13 said, "n"wyldzakk13 said, "ety"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 67330 | Rake 0 Board [8c 8h 8s 6c 2c]Seat 1: wyldzakk13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Dr Seemann showed [Kd Ad] and won (67330) with three of a kind, EightsSeat 3: SOXFAN83 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: TIJO (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: dannyboy2 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: jwvdcw showed [Js Kc] and lost with three of a kind, EightsSeat 7: scarface407 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: dr ket folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: shini_333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I dont get it?

 

[MrPhoenix]

At least you lasted longer than Maridu.

 

[Max hardcore]

To be frank, I think the KJ push stinks.

 

[bostonfred]

To be frank, I think the KJ push stinks.

Preflop pot was 7500 between blinds and antes. He had just four times that. If he didn't push soon he wasn't going to have any fold equity. Pushing with KJ there is a standard move, even from UTG, because he was about to pay 5100 (1/6 his stack) over the next two hands. With just 25k, the larger stacks to his left would have been able to call him with just about anything. Yes, the chances of someone having a better hand than KJ are much better when you push from EP, but it was still the right move, especially considering that many of the better hands will fold, and he's a coin flip against many of the hands that will call.

 

[Max hardcore]

and he's a coin flip against many of the hands that will call.

I'm not following. How many possible hands are there that would call, and be a coinflip in this situation?

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

Interesting.

Hang in there, and someday soon you'll get that feeling back again - that feeling that that you can't lose.

A couple of days off is probably a good idea too, especially if there will be strippers involved.

I'm really not sure why you're so focused on that comment. I was running very well and said "I fell like I can't lose right now"...that was honestly how I felt. Obviously I knew that the feeling wouldn't last and I wasn't taking any stupid gambles because "I can't lose right now." I was merely describing my feelings...I try to be brutally honest in this blog and that was the truth at the time. If you think I did something wrong in my approach or I got overconfident, then I'll listen to your advice, but I'm really not understanding your problems with that one line, and you've been pretty vague about it whenever I've asked you to explain.

I think he's saying that your comment was the same thing as referring to your sports bet as a "lock". In gambling circles, that's considered a major no no, and gamblers love to point out the evidence that their superstition did, in fact, bring bad mojo.

This guy gets it. Just remember how you felt after calling and losing all your money when you "knew" the other guy had AA and you were behind. And of course, be careful about that cocky "I can't lose" feeling, because now you know what happens when you get that feeling and tell the world about it. You can lose, and you will lose. Hopefully, you'll win more than you lose, because we'd all hate to see you go busto or quit.

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

Interesting.

Hang in there, and someday soon you'll get that feeling back again - that feeling that that you can't lose.

A couple of days off is probably a good idea too, especially if there will be strippers involved.

I'm really not sure why you're so focused on that comment. I was running very well and said "I fell like I can't lose right now"...that was honestly how I felt. Obviously I knew that the feeling wouldn't last and I wasn't taking any stupid gambles because "I can't lose right now." I was merely describing my feelings...I try to be brutally honest in this blog and that was the truth at the time. If you think I did something wrong in my approach or I got overconfident, then I'll listen to your advice, but I'm really not understanding your problems with that one line, and you've been pretty vague about it whenever I've asked you to explain.

He's just being a doosh....one of those people that like to see others fail. End of story I would think

Not even close, but thanks for your attempt at an analysis. I'm gonna guess you don't play much poker, or at least that you don't win much if you do, because your ability to read a person's intentions is horrible.

 

[Max hardcore]

Interesting.

Hang in there, and someday soon you'll get that feeling back again - that feeling that that you can't lose.

A couple of days off is probably a good idea too, especially if there will be strippers involved.

I'm really not sure why you're so focused on that comment. I was running very well and said "I fell like I can't lose right now"...that was honestly how I felt. Obviously I knew that the feeling wouldn't last and I wasn't taking any stupid gambles because "I can't lose right now." I was merely describing my feelings...I try to be brutally honest in this blog and that was the truth at the time. If you think I did something wrong in my approach or I got overconfident, then I'll listen to your advice, but I'm really not understanding your problems with that one line, and you've been pretty vague about it whenever I've asked you to explain.

He's just being a doosh....one of those people that like to see others fail. End of story I would think

Not even close, but thanks for your attempt at an analysis. I'm gonna guess you don't play much poker, or at least that you don't win much if you do, because your ability to read a person's intentions is horrible.

Let's be honest...you are a pretty bitter guy.

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

Interesting.

Hang in there, and someday soon you'll get that feeling back again - that feeling that that you can't lose.

A couple of days off is probably a good idea too, especially if there will be strippers involved.

I'm really not sure why you're so focused on that comment. I was running very well and said "I fell like I can't lose right now"...that was honestly how I felt. Obviously I knew that the feeling wouldn't last and I wasn't taking any stupid gambles because "I can't lose right now." I was merely describing my feelings...I try to be brutally honest in this blog and that was the truth at the time. If you think I did something wrong in my approach or I got overconfident, then I'll listen to your advice, but I'm really not understanding your problems with that one line, and you've been pretty vague about it whenever I've asked you to explain.

He's just being a doosh....one of those people that like to see others fail. End of story I would think

Not even close, but thanks for your attempt at an analysis. I'm gonna guess you don't play much poker, or at least that you don't win much if you do, because your ability to read a person's intentions is horrible.

Let's be honest...you are a pretty bitter guy.

Are you a Zippy or Truckasaurus alias?

 

[Max hardcore]

Interesting.

Hang in there, and someday soon you'll get that feeling back again - that feeling that that you can't lose.

A couple of days off is probably a good idea too, especially if there will be strippers involved.

I'm really not sure why you're so focused on that comment. I was running very well and said "I fell like I can't lose right now"...that was honestly how I felt. Obviously I knew that the feeling wouldn't last and I wasn't taking any stupid gambles because "I can't lose right now." I was merely describing my feelings...I try to be brutally honest in this blog and that was the truth at the time. If you think I did something wrong in my approach or I got overconfident, then I'll listen to your advice, but I'm really not understanding your problems with that one line, and you've been pretty vague about it whenever I've asked you to explain.

He's just being a doosh....one of those people that like to see others fail. End of story I would think

Not even close, but thanks for your attempt at an analysis. I'm gonna guess you don't play much poker, or at least that you don't win much if you do, because your ability to read a person's intentions is horrible.

Let's be honest...you are a pretty bitter guy.

Are you a Zippy or Truckasaurus alias?

 

[Zowned]

Lasted longer than Assani in the FT $150

..GG

 

[CGRdrJoe]

just fired up FT, going to play in the fifty fifty.

 

[bostonfred]

and he's a coin flip against many of the hands that will call.

I'm not following. How many possible hands are there that would call, and be a coinflip in this situation?

At that stage in a tourney, people will call with worse aces than you'd expect, and most pocket pairs. The blinds had him well covered, and might get froggy. Smaller pairs might call or might fold, either is a good result for him. AK and AQ will definitely call; AK is 70/30 but AQ is 60/40 and not all that bad from a pot odds perspective. AJ and KQ might call from the button, but will have a hard time from early/mid, which is good for him. It's -EV to shove here, but it's -EV to fold and pay the blinds next round, too, especially at a table where people are hyper aggro. If I were sitting at the table I could give a better feel - I'd like to know how the blinds got their big stacks, whether people were going all in like this every hand or only once in a while, if people were shoving with big hands or small, what Assani's table image was, and so on. But without that information, I think it's correct to shove here. It's not ideal, but he's not in a situation in the tournament to wait for ideal.

 

[Assani Fisher]

To be frank, I think the KJ push stinks.

put forth some reasoning and we'll debate it then...

 

[bostonfred]

To be frank, I think the KJ push stinks.

put forth some reasoning and we'll debate it then...

The downside argument is that you're a better player than the rest of your table. There are a number of smaller stacks at your table who will be shoving with junk, so you can expect to get paid off on medium hands later. KJ is not a strong hand compared to the range that will call you. The chances of someone having a hand good enough to call you go up with each additional player left to act, and you shoved from UTG. You were close after the bubble and people tend to shove with weaker hands once they've made the money. They also tend to call with weaker hands at that point.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Interesting.

Hang in there, and someday soon you'll get that feeling back again - that feeling that that you can't lose.

A couple of days off is probably a good idea too, especially if there will be strippers involved.

I'm really not sure why you're so focused on that comment. I was running very well and said "I fell like I can't lose right now"...that was honestly how I felt. Obviously I knew that the feeling wouldn't last and I wasn't taking any stupid gambles because "I can't lose right now." I was merely describing my feelings...I try to be brutally honest in this blog and that was the truth at the time. If you think I did something wrong in my approach or I got overconfident, then I'll listen to your advice, but I'm really not understanding your problems with that one line, and you've been pretty vague about it whenever I've asked you to explain.

I think he's saying that your comment was the same thing as referring to your sports bet as a "lock". In gambling circles, that's considered a major no no, and gamblers love to point out the evidence that their superstition did, in fact, bring bad mojo.

This guy gets it. Just remember how you felt after calling and losing all your money when you "knew" the other guy had AA and you were behind. And of course, be careful about that cocky "I can't lose" feeling, because now you know what happens when you get that feeling and tell the world about it. You can lose, and you will lose. Hopefully, you'll win more than you lose, because we'd all hate to see you go busto or quit.

I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. My "I can't lose" comment wasn't a brag or arrogance. I was running well- why on earth would I be arrogant about running well? In this blog, I try my best to be brutally honest. I post my good plays and my questionable ones. I post my true feelings when things are going great, and I immediately jumped on the computer and posted about that TT hand when I was an emotional wreak. I think that most people respect that and think that it makes the blog better and more accurate.

You saw one comment I made and immediately assumed that I was being cocky. You critisized my comment, and when I asked you to explain, you said nothing. You simply waited until I lost, then came back and posted "See, I told you" basically. When I again asked you to explain, you sat back and said nothing. If you think that I've misplayed hands or lost money due to over-confidence then by all means please explain to me where exactly you think I'm making mistakes. One reason that I post here is definitely to improve and get better, so I"m willing to listen.

However, I just don't see how my "over confidence" hurt my game in any way. Hell, if I had been running badly then it probably would've been even harder to lay down a hand like that. I'm sure the Patriots feel like they can't lose these days. And I'm sure Jordan, Gretzky, Woods, and all the greats felt like they just couldn't lose at times....I think that can be a good thing. It can be a bad thing, but if you think it is(which apparently you do) then you need to do a much better job of explaining why.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Lasted longer than Assani in the FT $150 ..GG

GL man. Yeah I'm down to two tourneys left: Stars Second Chance and FT Sunday Mulligan. Moneyed in Sunday Million, lost in the other 3.

 

[Max hardcore]

and he's a coin flip against many of the hands that will call.

I'm not following. How many possible hands are there that would call, and be a coinflip in this situation?

At that stage in a tourney, people will call with worse aces than you'd expect, and most pocket pairs.

This is all I really cared about. At what point can we say a hand is no longer a coinflip? With AT-A2 vs. KJ, are we really considering ~58% to be roughly even? I'm not berating you specifically, I always thought of a "coinflip" as being when the favorite had between a 50% to 55% chance of winning. Where do we draw the line, BFred? Where do we draw the line.

 

[Assani Fisher]

and he's a coin flip against many of the hands that will call.

I'm not following. How many possible hands are there that would call, and be a coinflip in this situation?

At that stage in a tourney, people will call with worse aces than you'd expect, and most pocket pairs. The blinds had him well covered, and might get froggy. Smaller pairs might call or might fold, either is a good result for him. AK and AQ will definitely call; AK is 70/30 but AQ is 60/40 and not all that bad from a pot odds perspective. AJ and KQ might call from the button, but will have a hard time from early/mid, which is good for him. It's -EV to shove here, but it's -EV to fold and pay the blinds next round, too, especially at a table where people are hyper aggro. If I were sitting at the table I could give a better feel - I'd like to know how the blinds got their big stacks, whether people were going all in like this every hand or only once in a while, if people were shoving with big hands or small, what Assani's table image was, and so on. But without that information, I think it's correct to shove here. It's not ideal, but he's not in a situation in the tournament to wait for ideal.

I'll echo BF's thoughts and also say that we had just reached the money and with 1000 people left there really wasn't much use in trying to just hang on as long as I could. Gotta play these things with the intentions of getting big scores. Cash games will take care of the slow grind part of poker.

 

[bostonfred]

You're putting too much thought into this. He's just being superstitious. If you've ever played craps, you learn pretty quickly not to say the number seven at the table. The waitress pretty much ####s up any bet on the table, too, so pull everything back. In blackjack, you never count your money before you win the hand, even if you split aces against a six and get two twenties. In sports wagering, you never refer to a game as a lock or talk about winning the bet when there's still time left in the game. And regardless of the game, you never say you feel like you can't lose. He isn't being rational, but it wouldn't hurt at least to listen to him.

 

[Assani Fisher]

and he's a coin flip against many of the hands that will call.

I'm not following. How many possible hands are there that would call, and be a coinflip in this situation?

At that stage in a tourney, people will call with worse aces than you'd expect, and most pocket pairs.

This is all I really cared about. At what point can we say a hand is no longer a coinflip? With AT-A2 vs. KJ, are we really considering ~58% to be roughly even? I'm not berating you specifically, I always thought of a "coinflip" as being when the favorite had between a 50% to 55% chance of winning. Where do we draw the line, BFred? Where do we draw the line.

Max, it definitely is a marginal push. You'd be ok folding that, and I would fold it in other situations(later in tourney, before money, etc.). But its definitely not a horrible push either considering our stack size and the size of the blinds.

 

[Zowned]

Lasted longer than Assani in the FT $150 ..GG

GL man. Yeah I'm down to two tourneys left: Stars Second Chance and FT Sunday Mulligan. Moneyed in Sunday Million, lost in the other 3.

Thanks, didn't see the Mulligan or would have got in that one instead. Has been a pretty slow tourney so far. I've seen 1 showdown where I won all the chips I have now.

 

[Assani Fisher]

You're putting too much thought into this. He's just being superstitious. If you've ever played craps, you learn pretty quickly not to say the number seven at the table. The waitress pretty much ####s up any bet on the table, too, so pull everything back. In blackjack, you never count your money before you win the hand, even if you split aces against a six and get two twenties. In sports wagering, you never refer to a game as a lock or talk about winning the bet when there's still time left in the game. And regardless of the game, you never say you feel like you can't lose. He isn't being rational, but it wouldn't hurt at least to listen to him.

I'm trying to listen to him...would you not agree that hes either not answered or been extremely vague everytime I've asked him to explain himself?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

ft screen names?

 

[Zowned]

ft screen names?

ZownedAssani is Assani Fisher

 

[Max hardcore]

ft screen names?

TexasLimitKing

 

[bostonfred]

and he's a coin flip against many of the hands that will call.

I'm not following. How many possible hands are there that would call, and be a coinflip in this situation?

At that stage in a tourney, people will call with worse aces than you'd expect, and most pocket pairs.

This is all I really cared about. At what point can we say a hand is no longer a coinflip? With AT-A2 vs. KJ, are we really considering ~58% to be roughly even? I'm not berating you specifically, I always thought of a "coinflip" as being when the favorite had between a 50% to 55% chance of winning. Where do we draw the line, BFred? Where do we draw the line.

At the point where your odds of winning the hand are better than your odds later in the tournament. The difference between the loss of fold equity after paying the blinds, the chance of getting a hand worth calling in the next orbit, and the chances of having an unopened pot before you're in EP again, are all killing your tournament EV if you fold. The fact that there's already 7500 in the pot, plus the 5000 you'll be paying in blinds the next two hands, means that if you put your 30k in this hand, you'll stand to have 62,500 (67500-5000 in blinds) after you pay the blinds. If you fold, you should expect to have 25,000 after this hand (30,000-5000). If you go all in sometime around then, you'll stand to win 57,500, but be calling, instead of raising. If you fold until you're next in EP, you'll be down another 2500 or so, and that means 5k less, but you have fold equity again, although much less because your stack will be crippled. So there's basically an additional 10k in the pot and the additional value you gain from fold equity, vs. the chances of waiting for a better hand and having zero or very very little fold equity. The definition of a coinflip doesn't really matter here. Sorry for using the term. The better way to think of it is, he's in a crappy place right now. Which would be crappier, shoving or folding? It's close, but shoving is probably the slightly better play.

 

[The Ref]

To be frank, I think the KJ push stinks.

put forth some reasoning and we'll debate it then...

AF - for how long were you that short stacked? Had you just lost a big pot? Or had you not played a hand since the last BB?

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

You're putting too much thought into this. He's just being superstitious. If you've ever played craps, you learn pretty quickly not to say the number seven at the table. The waitress pretty much ####s up any bet on the table, too, so pull everything back. In blackjack, you never count your money before you win the hand, even if you split aces against a six and get two twenties. In sports wagering, you never refer to a game as a lock or talk about winning the bet when there's still time left in the game. And regardless of the game, you never say you feel like you can't lose. He isn't being rational, but it wouldn't hurt at least to listen to him.

I'm trying to listen to him...would you not agree that hes either not answered or been extremely vague everytime I've asked him to explain himself?

bfred has hit the nail on the head, I think. Or maybe he's just messin' with my head, or yours. Seriously, though. I just thought it was bad form from a superstitious standpoint when you posted that you couldn't lose, and only 24 hours later you were posting about tourney after tourney where you were getting KO'd. Then, not long after that you were talking about quitting poker (or hating it, or something like that) because you gave a guy all your money when you "knew" you were behind. You're good. You know it. We all know it. Just don't let your confidence get the best of you. You'll start to feel like you deserve to win, and you don't deserve it any more than the other players at the table. You have to earn the money by playing better than they do, and sometimes by getting luckier.

 

[Assani Fisher]

in $$ in Stars 2nd Chance now

 

[Assani Fisher]

To be frank, I think the KJ push stinks.

put forth some reasoning and we'll debate it then...

AF - for how long were you that short stacked? Had you just lost a big pot? Or had you not played a hand since the last BB?

Was never really a big stack. Had slowly gotten down to that point. No I hadn't just lost a big pot or anything though. No, I hadn't played a hand since last BB as we were nearing the money and I wanted to sneak in before getting frisky.

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

Have you broken down your winnings between cash games and tourneys since you moved to Vegas? Are you ahead in both?

 

[Assani Fisher]

You're putting too much thought into this. He's just being superstitious. If you've ever played craps, you learn pretty quickly not to say the number seven at the table. The waitress pretty much ####s up any bet on the table, too, so pull everything back. In blackjack, you never count your money before you win the hand, even if you split aces against a six and get two twenties. In sports wagering, you never refer to a game as a lock or talk about winning the bet when there's still time left in the game. And regardless of the game, you never say you feel like you can't lose. He isn't being rational, but it wouldn't hurt at least to listen to him.

I'm trying to listen to him...would you not agree that hes either not answered or been extremely vague everytime I've asked him to explain himself?

bfred has hit the nail on the head, I think. Or maybe he's just messin' with my head, or yours. Seriously, though. I just thought it was bad form from a superstitious standpoint when you posted that you couldn't lose, and only 24 hours later you were posting about tourney after tourney where you were getting KO'd. Then, not long after that you were talking about quitting poker (or hating it, or something like that) because you gave a guy all your money when you "knew" you were behind. You're good. You know it. We all know it. Just don't let your confidence get the best of you. You'll start to feel like you deserve to win, and you don't deserve it any more than the other players at the table. You have to earn the money by playing better than they do, and sometimes by getting luckier.

totally understood, and I'm being 100% honest when I tell you that I wasn't getting cocky(any more than my usual confidence/arrogance).

 

[Assani Fisher]

Have you broken down your winnings between cash games and tourneys since you moved to Vegas? Are you ahead in both?

Havn't broken them down. I am sure that I'm ahead in both by a decent margin. I'm nearly positive that from a $$/hour standpoint tourneys have earned me much more money and its not even close. However I like playing live simply due to the fact that I'm out there meeting people and being social, so I try to limit online tourneys to a few days per week.

 

[Assani Fisher]

out of 2nd Chance...

PokerStars Game #13910579089: Tournament #69788368, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2007/12/16 - 21:40:06 (ET)

Table '69788368 69' 9-max Seat #4 is the button

Seat 1: ZEMBALOUIE (19804 in chips)

Seat 2: Volcheko (10678 in chips)

Seat 3: devileye31 (26584 in chips)

Seat 4: downtownb (23196 in chips)

Seat 5: ImNotSoGood (23902 in chips)

Seat 6: jwvdcw (7645 in chips)

Seat 7: Verito (8766 in chips)

Seat 8: HonestLivin (20588 in chips)

Seat 9: dapalma150 (56031 in chips)

ZEMBALOUIE: posts the ante 50

Volcheko: posts the ante 50

devileye31: posts the ante 50

downtownb: posts the ante 50

ImNotSoGood: posts the ante 50

jwvdcw: posts the ante 50

Verito: posts the ante 50

HonestLivin: posts the ante 50

dapalma150: posts the ante 50

ImNotSoGood: posts small blind 500

jwvdcw: posts big blind 1000

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [Ac Ks]

Verito: folds

HonestLivin: folds

dapalma150: folds

ZEMBALOUIE: folds

Volcheko: folds

devileye31: folds

downtownb: folds

ImNotSoGood: raises 8000 to 9000

jwvdcw: calls 6595 and is all-in

*** FLOP *** [Qh 5s 3c]

*** TURN *** [Qh 5s 3c] [Ts]

*** RIVER *** [Qh 5s 3c Ts] [9h]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

ImNotSoGood: shows [3s Kd] (a pair of Threes)

jwvdcw: shows [Ac Ks] (high card Ace)

ImNotSoGood collected 15640 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 15640 | Rake 0

Board [Qh 5s 3c Ts 9h]

Seat 1: ZEMBALOUIE folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: Volcheko folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: devileye31 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 4: downtownb (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: ImNotSoGood (small blind) showed [3s Kd] and won (15640) with a pair of Threes

Seat 6: jwvdcw (big blind) showed [Ac Ks] and lost with high card Ace

Seat 7: Verito folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: HonestLivin folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 9: dapalma150 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[MrPhoenix]

ImNotSoGood = donk

 

[Assani Fisher]

and out of the Sunday Mulligan...

Full Tilt Poker Game #4526932903: The Sunday Mulligan (32799322), Table 36 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:42:48 ET - 2007/12/16

Seat 1: MyNameIsBusto (5,830)

Seat 2: wuddacooler (8,985)

Seat 3: cdbr3799 (6,415)

Seat 4: Assani Fisher (3,905)

Seat 5: morgieoo1 (8,930)

Seat 6: TheBrain (12,660)

Seat 7: nate596 (810)

Seat 8: Beelzebul (9,610)

Seat 9: Tmay420 (10,195)

MyNameIsBusto antes 25

wuddacooler antes 25

cdbr3799 antes 25

Assani Fisher antes 25

morgieoo1 antes 25

TheBrain antes 25

nate596 antes 25

Beelzebul antes 25

Tmay420 antes 25

Beelzebul posts the small blind of 150

Tmay420 posts the big blind of 300

The button is in seat #7

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Assani Fisher [Ad Kd]

MyNameIsBusto has 15 seconds left to act

MyNameIsBusto folds

wuddacooler raises to 900

cdbr3799 folds

Assani Fisher raises to 3,880, and is all in

morgieoo1 folds

TheBrain folds

nate596 folds

Beelzebul folds

Tmay420 has 15 seconds left to act

Tmay420 folds

wuddacooler calls 2,980

Assani Fisher shows [Ad Kd]

wuddacooler shows [9d 9s]

*** FLOP *** [Jh 2s 6h]

*** TURN *** [Jh 2s 6h] [Ts]

*** RIVER *** [Jh 2s 6h Ts] [6s]

Assani Fisher shows a pair of Sixes

wuddacooler shows two pair, Nines and Sixes

wuddacooler wins the pot (8,435) with two pair, Nines and Sixes

Assani Fisher stands up

The blinds are now 200/400 with an ante of 50

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 8,435 | Rake 0

Board: [Jh 2s 6h Ts 6s]

Seat 1: MyNameIsBusto folded before the Flop

Seat 2: wuddacooler showed [9d 9s] and won (8,435) with two pair, Nines and Sixes

Seat 3: cdbr3799 folded before the Flop

Seat 4: Assani Fisher showed [Ad Kd] and lost with a pair of Sixes

Seat 5: morgieoo1 folded before the Flop

Seat 6: TheBrain folded before the Flop

Seat 7: nate596 (button) folded before the Flop

Seat 8: Beelzebul (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 9: Tmay420 (big blind) folded before the Flop

 

[chet]

AK not your friend today.

I will try to do you proud in the $22r and the $10r.

 

[The Ref]

To be frank, I think the KJ push stinks.

put forth some reasoning and we'll debate it then...

AF - for how long were you that short stacked? Had you just lost a big pot? Or had you not played a hand since the last BB?

Was never really a big stack. Had slowly gotten down to that point. No I hadn't just lost a big pot or anything though. No, I hadn't played a hand since last BB as we were nearing the money and I wanted to sneak in before getting frisky.

OK. Obviously it makes any decision you make in that spot a whole lot easier once you’re ITM. I don't think it's anywhere close to the worst poker decision in the world to push there with KJ. But I probably fold there pay the ~ 25% tax for 10 more hands and hope to get lucky. Plus if you’re going to go for a coin flip situation, you might as well wait for the button to pass you and make that move (with fewer chips) in late position.Obviously if you double up with KJ you get more chips, but I think it's more likely that you can make a move in LP with worse cards and not have to worry about running into a monster.

 

[Max hardcore]

out of 2nd Chance...PokerStars Game #13910579089: Tournament #69788368, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2007/12/16 - 21:40:06 (ET)Table '69788368 69' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: ZEMBALOUIE (19804 in chips) Seat 2: Volcheko (10678 in chips) Seat 3: devileye31 (26584 in chips) Seat 4: downtownb (23196 in chips) Seat 5: ImNotSoGood (23902 in chips) Seat 6: jwvdcw (7645 in chips) Seat 7: Verito (8766 in chips) Seat 8: HonestLivin (20588 in chips) Seat 9: dapalma150 (56031 in chips) ZEMBALOUIE: posts the ante 50Volcheko: posts the ante 50devileye31: posts the ante 50downtownb: posts the ante 50ImNotSoGood: posts the ante 50jwvdcw: posts the ante 50Verito: posts the ante 50HonestLivin: posts the ante 50dapalma150: posts the ante 50ImNotSoGood: posts small blind 500jwvdcw: posts big blind 1000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Ac Ks]Verito: folds HonestLivin: folds dapalma150: folds ZEMBALOUIE: folds Volcheko: folds devileye31: folds downtownb: folds ImNotSoGood: raises 8000 to 9000jwvdcw: calls 6595 and is all-in*** FLOP *** [Qh 5s 3c]*** TURN *** [Qh 5s 3c] [Ts]*** RIVER *** [Qh 5s 3c Ts] [9h]*** SHOW DOWN ***ImNotSoGood: shows [3s Kd] (a pair of Threes)jwvdcw: shows [Ac Ks] (high card Ace)ImNotSoGood collected 15640 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 15640 | Rake 0 Board [Qh 5s 3c Ts 9h]Seat 1: ZEMBALOUIE folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Volcheko folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: devileye31 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: downtownb (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: ImNotSoGood (small blind) showed [3s Kd] and won (15640) with a pair of ThreesSeat 6: jwvdcw (big blind) showed [Ac Ks] and lost with high card AceSeat 7: Verito folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: HonestLivin folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: dapalma150 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

ImNotSoGood = 3rd level Stars handle?

 

[Zowned]

just fired up FT, going to play in the fifty fifty.

Update?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

just fired up FT, going to play in the fifty fifty.

Update?

decided to just play some nl, up about 25 but taking a break

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

just fired up FT, going to play in the fifty fifty.

Update?

decided to just play some nl, up about 25 but taking a break

What level are you playing?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

just fired up FT, going to play in the fifty fifty.

Update?

decided to just play some nl, up about 25 but taking a break

What level are you playing?

lowly .50/1 nl, although I'm done after another 54

 

[Rock Lonemilk]

just fired up FT, going to play in the fifty fifty.

Update?

decided to just play some nl, up about 25 but taking a break

What level are you playing?

lowly .50/1 nl, although I'm done after another 54

Nothing lowly about that. Plenty of money to be made there. A few months ago I decided to see what I could do with $200, so I started at $.50/$1 NL 6 max, always buying in short (20 big blinds). Once I have 20 short buy ins at the next level I move up (needed $400 to move up to $1/$2). I'm currently playing $2/$4, buying in for $80. I wouldn't normally play this high, but mentally I still feel like I'm only risking my original $200. It's forcing me to play super tight, because with only 20 big blinds, you're pretty much committed if you decide to play a hand. It's a different game, but a fun change to mix things up.Weren't you doing something like this for a while, Assani?

 

[RedRaiders]

just fired up FT, going to play in the fifty fifty.

Update?

decided to just play some nl, up about 25 but taking a break

What level are you playing?

lowly .50/1 nl, although I'm done after another 54

I played there the other night for hte first time in forever. 15k guaranteed rebuy event, finished 69 out of 500. No money finish though.

 

[Alias]

Hey AF -

How would you compare the 1-2 vs. 2-5 games in Vegas? Do you find a higher variance at the 1-2 games?

 

[Alias]

Here's a pretty good article on short-stack play.

 

[Assani Fisher]

just fired up FT, going to play in the fifty fifty.

Update?

decided to just play some nl, up about 25 but taking a break

What level are you playing?

lowly .50/1 nl, although I'm done after another 54

Nothing lowly about that. Plenty of money to be made there. A few months ago I decided to see what I could do with $200, so I started at $.50/$1 NL 6 max, always buying in short (20 big blinds). Once I have 20 short buy ins at the next level I move up (needed $400 to move up to $1/$2). I'm currently playing $2/$4, buying in for $80. I wouldn't normally play this high, but mentally I still feel like I'm only risking my original $200. It's forcing me to play super tight, because with only 20 big blinds, you're pretty much committed if you decide to play a hand. It's a different game, but a fun change to mix things up.Weren't you doing something like this for a while, Assani?

Yeah, my basic shortstack approach was to find overaggressive games and when they raised preflop to just go all in over the top of them with my premium hands. Really high variance though...but the FPPs can really add up quickly 12 tabling this way.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Hey AF -How would you compare the 1-2 vs. 2-5 games in Vegas? Do you find a higher variance at the 1-2 games?

Not at all. $1/2 is pretty much free money. Just sit back and bet your big hands strong. You can really minimize variance in an easy $1/2 game because its so easy to know where you're at in the hand...just don't overcommit to any marginal hand and wait for monsters. Since so many people will play so passively(lots of limping), its easy to see lots of flops and just wait for a monster.For marginal solid and tight players, $2/5 can be challenging. In the end, its the same tight and aggressive approach that beats $1/2, but its certainly not free money like $1/2 is.