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crnerblitz
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Mr. Pickles
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gg
Voice Of Reason
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Otis
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
sorry guys, don't post much here anymore...still going strong though, and I'm more committed than ever to reach SNE in 2010...gonna keep a daily blog on leggopoker starting Jan 1 if anyone wants to follow along.....I may try to stop by here some more too, as I still have much love for all of you who supported me over the years.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Good luck man. SNE pays nicely if you don't care to give up your life for a year.
Johnnymac
Footballguy
We miss ya around here dude.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
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Super Nova Elite @ Stars.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Any good stories?
Alias
Footballguy
chet once played poker online, after his first bet they made him SNE
Alias
Footballguy
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Das Boot
Footballguy
Forget it man... the Assani blogging years are over.
Parmcat
Canada: Beer, Bacon and Beavers
I know this is a goal for you.....wasnt that the goal this year? I think you abandoned the plan the 3rd week of January...you gonna make it to Feb this year?I hope so.....can you cut and paste your blog here?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
yeah, SNE was the goal last year and I didn't even come close. As I think about it more, I'm not going to make that a goal for next year. I'm going to be playing live more just to keep things fresh and interesting. No real "goals" to have other than to play a lot, enjoy what I do(it has been wearing on me a lot this past year), and make as much money as I can. I do miss this place, so I think I'll try to post here more.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Heres a hand from the other night...$5/10 game at the Wynn. Both villain and I are deep(effective stacks are about $3000). Villian is a regular winning player, solid, can bluff/make moves but not overly tricky.
MP raises to $30, LP calls, I call on button with 66, villain calls from BB.
Flop comes 6TJ with 2 diamonds. Checked to me. I bet $90. Villain in BB calls, other 2 fold.
Turn is a king non-diamond. Villain bets out $190. Whats your move here?
I ended up just flatting(I don't necessarily think its the right play though, so I'll gladly discuss the merits of calling vs raising). The river is another king(non-diamond). He bets out $400. Whats your move?
MP raises to $30, LP calls, I call on button with 66, villain calls from BB.
Flop comes 6TJ with 2 diamonds. Checked to me. I bet $90. Villain in BB calls, other 2 fold.
Turn is a king non-diamond. Villain bets out $190. Whats your move here?
I ended up just flatting(I don't necessarily think its the right play though, so I'll gladly discuss the merits of calling vs raising). The river is another king(non-diamond). He bets out $400. Whats your move?
bostonfred
Footballguy
On the turn: I don't like flatting with three broadway and a flush draw on the board. You give him a chance to draw out on you and it's harder to get paid off on a big river bet. If an ace, nine, or diamond hits the river, are you going to get paid off by anything that you can beat? That's 15-17 cards that kill your action whether he's drawing or not. If the turn was a brick, I can see trapping.
On the river: The hands that check/call the flop and lead out on the turn are AK, AQ, KQ, KJ, KT, Ksmall of diamonds, and busted diamonds. You're ahead of all of them except KJ/KT, and both of them will come over the top of you if you raise. AQ, AK, KQ, and Ksmall will at least consider a call, but a solid, untricky player would be hard pressed to reraise you even with the straight or with trips/good kicker. I think you raise to 1100, or if you have a 500 chip, raise a rainbow (1131).
If I had to guess at his hand, it would be KQ. A solid player wouldn't raise from the BB, would check/call the flop with the straight draw, would lead out on the turn with top pair/straight draw, and would bet out on the river. And they might call a small raise, but would be fairly unlikely to repop.
On the river: The hands that check/call the flop and lead out on the turn are AK, AQ, KQ, KJ, KT, Ksmall of diamonds, and busted diamonds. You're ahead of all of them except KJ/KT, and both of them will come over the top of you if you raise. AQ, AK, KQ, and Ksmall will at least consider a call, but a solid, untricky player would be hard pressed to reraise you even with the straight or with trips/good kicker. I think you raise to 1100, or if you have a 500 chip, raise a rainbow (1131).
If I had to guess at his hand, it would be KQ. A solid player wouldn't raise from the BB, would check/call the flop with the straight draw, would lead out on the turn with top pair/straight draw, and would bet out on the river. And they might call a small raise, but would be fairly unlikely to repop.
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Insoxicated
Sorry to hear it's become a bit of a grind. Glad you're punching through the wall. Also glad you're gonna swing through this dump more often too
Clifton
Footballguy
I raise the turn to figure out where I am at. I also go to the mat with my boat regardless. He's probably holding K-10.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
As for the results, I just called both the turn and the river. The turn, I think may have been a mistake. However, as played, I think just calling the river is optimal....he is very rarely paying me off there imo, and I have to fold if he reraises. Clifton, I can't "go to the mat with my boat" because we're 300+ BBs deep and the pot isn't that huge. But yeah, I am still questioning my turn play.
Gonna play at Wynn tonight, so maybe I'll have another hand for tomorrow.
Gonna play at Wynn tonight, so maybe I'll have another hand for tomorrow.
bostonfred
Footballguy
AQ, Q9, AK and KQ might call you. It may be rare that he pays you off, but it's also rare that he has KJ, KK, KT, K6, etc. What did he have?
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Raise / fold turn. If he leads the river your play should depend on the sizing call a small bet, fold to a larger one.
As played, make a very small river raise and fold.
As played, make a very small river raise and fold.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
I agree with small river raise and fold to a reraise. I don't know if I agree with raise/folding the turn without knowing the bet sizing.Also don't know if I agree with folding to a river bet if called. AK/KQ, especially diamonds, would follow the same line villain did, and might make a large river bet so they could confidently fold to a solid TAG like Assani if raised.
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Oh sorry, forgot to tell the results.....
I took a while to decide what to do on the river, and since I didn't want him to think I was slowrolling I said "I call, I have a full house"(to make it clear that I was deciding between raising/calling and not slowrolling with a huge hand). He immediately mucked.
I took a while to decide what to do on the river, and since I didn't want him to think I was slowrolling I said "I call, I have a full house"(to make it clear that I was deciding between raising/calling and not slowrolling with a huge hand). He immediately mucked.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
You are right, folding to a turn raise would be really bad if it was small enough to give you odds to make a full house. Vs 3x or greater raise, I'd fold the turn, without a specific read that this guy would "overplay" top 2 here.If you raise the turn and get called, I don't think villain leads the river with a large bet holding KQ or AK. Typical 5/10 live players value bet the river way too tight and they are not going to put a big bet out on the river vs someone who easily could have a straight (in his mind) or a full house because they showed such strength on the turn.edit: their turn 3bet, not raise
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
$5/10 at the Wynn last night. I am deep and have my opponents covered in all of the hands.
Hand #1
Villian is a a pretty girl who I haven't played with before. Only had a few hands at the table, so not sure what to think yet. She can shuffle and stack chips well, so shes somewhat experienced. She also has shown proper preflop aggression by raising in position preflop when she plays hands. She started the hand with around $1800.
I had 59os in BB, she is SB. Guy to my left straddles for $20. MP calls $20, SB completes, I complete, straddler checks. 4 to flop, $80 in pot.
Flop is 67J with 2 hearts. Checked around.
Turn is an 8 non-heart, but there are now 2 diamonds out there in addition to the 2 hearts. She checks, I bet $60, straddler folds, MP calls, she mini-raises to $120. Whats your move?
Hand #1(part 2)
I raised it $200 more. MP folded, she thought for a few seconds but fairly quickly called. River is a 7 of diamonds, so the board is now 6778J with 3 diamonds. She checks, your move.
Results:
Hand #2
Villain is a fish, plays a ton of hands preflop, overplays top pair postflop. Villian is in EP, I am directly to his left. He started the hand with $3500. He opens for $40, I raise to $150 with AA, everyone else folds, he calls.
Flop comes 55T with 2 hearts. He checks, I bet $250, he calls.
Turn is a 5 non-heart, he checks, I bet $550, he calls.
River is a Q non-heart. He bets $50. He has approx. $2500 left in his stack. Whats your play here? If your play is to bet, are you planning on calling any check/raise?
Results:
Hand #3
Villain is fairly tight, so hes not easy money, but he has made enough mistakes(such as open limping preflop in LP) that I don't think hes very good either. He started the hand with around $1500.
UTG mini-raises to $20, I call with 77, 2 LPs call including villain, and the blinds calls. 6 players to the flop, $120 in pot.
Flop comes 47J rainbow. Checked to me, I bet $110(too big for such a dry board? would anyone prefer a check raise attempt here?).
Folded to villain who attempts to raise, but only puts $200 in pot. Dealer tells him he has to raise to $220 minimum, so he puts $220 in. Folded to me. He now has around $1250 behind him. Whats your move here and whats your plan for the rest of the hand?
Results:
Overall it was a great night...no real tough spots at all(a couple tough decisions for sure, but usually in spots where I was trying to extract money and not when I had to decide whether to call someone down or not), ended up winning $1900. After playing online for so long, I'm loving playing live again...I forgot just how bad the players can be. Plus I was way too anti-social for a while when I was just playing online all day. I like the excitement of being out of the house all day too. Will probably put in another session today.
Hand #1
Villian is a a pretty girl who I haven't played with before. Only had a few hands at the table, so not sure what to think yet. She can shuffle and stack chips well, so shes somewhat experienced. She also has shown proper preflop aggression by raising in position preflop when she plays hands. She started the hand with around $1800.
I had 59os in BB, she is SB. Guy to my left straddles for $20. MP calls $20, SB completes, I complete, straddler checks. 4 to flop, $80 in pot.
Flop is 67J with 2 hearts. Checked around.
Turn is an 8 non-heart, but there are now 2 diamonds out there in addition to the 2 hearts. She checks, I bet $60, straddler folds, MP calls, she mini-raises to $120. Whats your move?
Hand #1(part 2)
I raised it $200 more. MP folded, she thought for a few seconds but fairly quickly called. River is a 7 of diamonds, so the board is now 6778J with 3 diamonds. She checks, your move.
Results:
Hand #2
Villain is a fish, plays a ton of hands preflop, overplays top pair postflop. Villian is in EP, I am directly to his left. He started the hand with $3500. He opens for $40, I raise to $150 with AA, everyone else folds, he calls.
Flop comes 55T with 2 hearts. He checks, I bet $250, he calls.
Turn is a 5 non-heart, he checks, I bet $550, he calls.
River is a Q non-heart. He bets $50. He has approx. $2500 left in his stack. Whats your play here? If your play is to bet, are you planning on calling any check/raise?
Results:
Hand #3
Villain is fairly tight, so hes not easy money, but he has made enough mistakes(such as open limping preflop in LP) that I don't think hes very good either. He started the hand with around $1500.
UTG mini-raises to $20, I call with 77, 2 LPs call including villain, and the blinds calls. 6 players to the flop, $120 in pot.
Flop comes 47J rainbow. Checked to me, I bet $110(too big for such a dry board? would anyone prefer a check raise attempt here?).
Folded to villain who attempts to raise, but only puts $200 in pot. Dealer tells him he has to raise to $220 minimum, so he puts $220 in. Folded to me. He now has around $1250 behind him. Whats your move here and whats your plan for the rest of the hand?
Results:
Overall it was a great night...no real tough spots at all(a couple tough decisions for sure, but usually in spots where I was trying to extract money and not when I had to decide whether to call someone down or not), ended up winning $1900. After playing online for so long, I'm loving playing live again...I forgot just how bad the players can be. Plus I was way too anti-social for a while when I was just playing online all day. I like the excitement of being out of the house all day too. Will probably put in another session today.
ClubbingSeals
Footballguy
The set of 6's hand you played horrible. 300 deep or not. If you are worried when flopping sets find another profession, seriously. In that situation there is no reason for you not to try to get as much into the pot as possible. You are going to flop sets and lose money, part of the game, but if you are start looking to play cautious or make a great lay down in this situation you are leaking profits because you will make the wrong decision more often than the right.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
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fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
IMO, all 3 hands from last night were played well. I *grunch*'ed before I look and the amounts were exactly as I would have made them as well. WP.
The one thing that I wasn't too keen on, though, was the flop bet in hand #3. It worked out, but I do think it was a little too much. If I read it right, the pot was $120. I'd have bet out $90 and gone from there. But it's not horrible, really.
Welcome back and glad you're back on the horse!
The one thing that I wasn't too keen on, though, was the flop bet in hand #3. It worked out, but I do think it was a little too much. If I read it right, the pot was $120. I'd have bet out $90 and gone from there. But it's not horrible, really.
Welcome back and glad you're back on the horse!
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Judging from your post, it seems as if you don't have a ton of experience playing live deepstacked poker. Making blanket statements such as "If you are worried when flopping sets find another profession" is just dumb imo.Also you ignore the fact that the villain in the hand is a regular who I am familiar with, which is yet another reason why you can't make blanket statements like that.I've played as high as $50/100 NL and had my fair share of huge losses...I'm definitely not playing scared if thats what you're implying. Moreover, you ignore the fact that flat calling the turn may have been the best way to get him to put the most money in the pot. Aside from hands like KJ or KT, there are few hands that he could have that like seeing the king come on the turn and are still behind me.It is not "am I ahead" vs "am I behind"; It is "am I ahead and will he call" vs "am I behind" with also taking into consideration that flat calling the turn may actually be the best way to get him to put the most amount of money in the pot when he is behind.Overall, I do think I should've raised the turn because there are simply too many draws out there. However, there are definitely merits of flatting. I'm in position, I keep the pot manageble(with a lot of money behind), and my hand is well disguised. I stand by my stance that having played the turn as I did, the optimal line on the river was just to call(although this has a lot to do with my history of playing with villain).
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Thanks man, always love your input.One thing that I've been working on lately is paying attention to which opponents understand bet sizing in relation to pot size. Because there are plenty of opponents who will simply bet an amount that "sounds good" or will bet an amount similar to what someone else bet before. Heres an example:A few nights ago, the following sequence happened twice within 30 minutes: Player #1 raises to $40, Player #2 3 bets to $140, Player #1 calls and then says that he checks blind, Player #2 bets $200 blind.A little while later I raised to $40 preflop with AA, and Player #1 calls me from the BB and checks blind and then asks me if I'm gonna bet blind as well. Knowing that this player had no concept of proper bet sizing, I blind bet $200(into an $85 pot) just as the other guy had. He called with just ace high(AQ on a ragged flop), but then folded when I bet the turn. He showed his AQ as he folded, which is why I know what he had. Basically whenever I find myself against an opponent who is clueless about bet sizing, I'll start to overbet my big hands and underbet my c-bets and bluffs.When I made the $110 bet, I felt as if several of my opponents didn't really understand bet sizing, so I felt as if I might as well bet as much as I can without looking overly suspicious. I probably should've included this info earlier, as its a bit unfair to all you readers to not know it, so sorry for that. But then again, I also could be being results oriented here. If he would've thought for a while and then said "thats just too much" and folded, I would surely be kicking myself right now. Tbh, I really have no clue what villain had in this hand. AJ by far makes the most sense, but even thats a little strange to be coming over the top of me(a fairly tight player) on such a dry board. And yeah, now that I think about it more, I do think its definitely possible that he would've folded hands like TJ to my $110 bet but probably called if I had bet less....I most likely did get fortunate that he had a good kicker(I really doubt he had 2 pair because I don't think he folds on turn then). So yeah, I think you're most likely correct here(lol@ me typing up all this just to agree with you).IMO, all 3 hands from last night were played well. I *grunch*'ed before I look and the amounts were exactly as I would have made them as well. WP.The one thing that I wasn't too keen on, though, was the flop bet in hand #3. It worked out, but I do think it was a little too much. If I read it right, the pot was $120. I'd have bet out $90 and gone from there. But it's not horrible, really.Welcome back and glad you're back on the horse!
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bostonfred
Footballguy
I love the blind bet, but hate the turn bet unless you have the scariest possible board - like 9TQx, or a three flush on the board where you don't have the right ace. Think about it from the fish's perspective - he picks off your bluff on the flop, and then you check the turn. If he has any part of it, he's going to be imagining that he's way ahead. It's like a reverse tell - instead of figuring out what he wants you to do, and doing the opposite, think about what he wants you to do, and do it. Overbet - c/c then overbet if he doesn't bet the turn seems like a very profitable line against this guy.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Hand 2 - I think you bet too much to get action from a ten here - even the biggest fish is going to be thinking that 1100 is too expensive a price for a hand they're hoping is a chop pot. Since you said he was a fish, I feel like a river bet of 550 a little better, planning to fold if he shoves. When you make it the same size bet you did on the turn, it just looks so fishy - like you're a little scared, because your hand didn't improve with that queen, but you're trying to get value for your boat or even get him to fold his ten. It also gives you a chance to get away from a river shove. It's going to be really hard to reraise all in with a hand you can beat.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Thanks man, always love your input.One thing that I've been working on lately is paying attention to which opponents understand bet sizing in relation to pot size. Because there are plenty of opponents who will simply bet an amount that "sounds good" or will bet an amount similar to what someone else bet before. Heres an example:A few nights ago, the following sequence happened twice within 30 minutes: Player #1 raises to $40, Player #2 3 bets to $140, Player #1 calls and then says that he checks blind, Player #2 bets $200 blind.A little while later I raised to $40 preflop with AA, and Player #1 calls me from the BB and checks blind and then asks me if I'm gonna bet blind as well. Knowing that this player had no concept of proper bet sizing, I blind bet $200(into an $85 pot) just as the other guy had. He called with just ace high(AQ on a ragged flop), but then folded when I bet the turn. He showed his AQ as he folded, which is why I know what he had. Basically whenever I find myself against an opponent who is clueless about bet sizing, I'll start to overbet my big hands and underbet my c-bets and bluffs.When I made the $110 bet, I felt as if several of my opponents didn't really understand bet sizing, so I felt as if I might as well bet as much as I can without looking overly suspicious. I probably should've included this info earlier, as its a bit unfair to all you readers to not know it, so sorry for that. But then again, I also could be being results oriented here. If he would've thought for a while and then said "thats just too much" and folded, I would surely be kicking myself right now. Tbh, I really have no clue what villain had in this hand. AJ by far makes the most sense, but even thats a little strange to be coming over the top of me(a fairly tight player) on such a dry board. And yeah, now that I think about it more, I do think its definitely possible that he would've folded hands like TJ to my $110 bet but probably called if I had bet less....I most likely did get fortunate that he had a good kicker(I really doubt he had 2 pair because I don't think he folds on turn then). So yeah, I think you're most likely correct here(lol@ me typing up all this just to agree with you).IMO, all 3 hands from last night were played well. I *grunch*'ed before I look and the amounts were exactly as I would have made them as well. WP.The one thing that I wasn't too keen on, though, was the flop bet in hand #3. It worked out, but I do think it was a little too much. If I read it right, the pot was $120. I'd have bet out $90 and gone from there. But it's not horrible, really.Welcome back and glad you're back on the horse!
Good stuff. Sure, if you think that villain is the type who 90 = $150, then you'd be making a mistake to not value bet him til his eyes bleed w/ larger amounts. That said, I think $90 is a great jumping off point as far as your bet size goes and if you think he/they (multiple players still to act, right?) will call more, then by all means. Obv. w/o knowing the players etc. it's impossible to say which is better $90 or $150 etc. You know what I mean.Also, for the 66 hand the other day, would I know villain? If so, I might be able to give more insight too.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
This has merit, but at the same time, I think that this comes down to which has more EV. I mean, say the $550 get paid off 80% and the $1200 gets a crying call say 20%, it all comes down to which makes the most, long term.Also, another thing to think about is the Zeebo theorem which says that the vast majority of people will never, ever, fold a full house. It doesn't matter if it's a 1/2 PSB, a full PSB, or a rediculous overbet. Most people just don't fold them. The reason, obviously, is that they only think about hands in their absolute value, not their relative value (ie. "I has full house. That is super strong hand. I call!).
Now, I'm not saying that the $550 would be wrong, but I think that you have to take into account all the above things and decide which you (Assani) think has the most value, long-term. I know that you know this, bf, but just spelling out my thinking here as well.
Good discussion
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Villain in 66 hand was Amos...white guy, shaved head, not too talkative but friendly, around my age. He plays $5/10 but will also play the mix game or Chinese with Chow, Kully, and all them. I'm sure you've played with him a few times, but I wouldn't be surprised if you don't remember him.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
My buddy who ran the basketball betting model actually got hired by the Toronto Raptors front office as an analyst, so we aren't doing the betting anymore. He ultimate goal is to become a NBA GM, and hes told me that if he ever gets a high enough job where he can bring on a paid assistant, I'll be on his short list. So thats great news for him, but obviously he can't be betting on games while doing this. I'm still recreationally betting a bit, but nothing serious at all and I'm definitely a losing sports bettor like everyone else without my system.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Obviously I remember Mike and Cully (Kully? w/e) and the 'Hawaiian connection'
but the name Amos doesn't ring a bell. That said, I do think that you should be raising the turn. Too many cards roll off that either kill your hand or kill the action. If you're concerned, you can always raise turn, charging all draws, and ck behind river if it's bad (obv not w/ the K). But at least you don't let him set the price and then end up guessing on a crap river, imo.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I was OOP in this hand. Once he called the flop and then checked the turn, I put him on a hand bigger than ace-high...thought it was most likely a small PP or he hit a pair on the flop, and now he thinks I may have an AK type hand and want to call me down. I forget the exact board...it was probably something like 2358. Against better players I will often times make trickier plays like you advise. However against a fish like him, I fully try to get 3 streets of value out of him. I was pretty surprised to see that he called the flop with just ace-high. Tbh I didn't really consider that as part of his range once we got to the turn(perhaps a mistake on my part).
Das Boot
Footballguy
Cool, that would be awesome to actually be employed by a team, I hope that works out down the road.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I don't think he was calling for a chop....I think he was trying to put me on AK or a hand like 99 and call down, as he was a typical fish who would do whatever it takes to convince himself to call. For example, he earlier got it all in for $1500+ with 8T on a 348 board. His opponent had AA, but the turn/river came T-T and he doubled up with his full house.And I'm not so sure that I agree that betting another $550 looks "fishy." I actually think it looks very much like a "please call" type of bet. I wanted to try to continue to make him think I was trying to bluff him off the best hand. I had made up my mind to call if he check/raised, but man that would've been a strange spot(would definitely take any thoughts on this).
ClubbingSeals
Footballguy
I just can't believe someone with your experience can't see why the play was not a good. You are talking your hand was well disguised. You couldn't be more right. With the ten and jack of d on the board you can get called thin by him putting you on a draw. Not only did you miss money in the hand, you made cheap for him to out draw you. If that is good poker then I'll take my chances being a bad player.
Johnnymac
Footballguy
Dude, he is 300 BB deep. You do realize that, right?