Assani's Poker Thread (4 Viewers)

[the moops]

Whats up with fatuncle? Am I missing some bad history here?

 

[tommyGunZ]

whose alias is FatJerryBuss?

 

[IC FBGCav]

I am IC Alkies, Cavalier and FUJB and I am sure a few others, I have met Assani and backed Assani as recent as 6 months ago........more?

 

[scoobus]

 

[tommyGunZ]

I am IC Alkies, Cavalier and FUJB and I am sure a few others, I have met Assani and backed Assani as recent as 6 months ago........more?

Ah. Ok.

Not an Assani fan, eh?

 

[IC FBGCav]

I am IC Alkies, Cavalier and FUJB and I am sure a few others, I have met Assani and backed Assani as recent as 6 months ago........more?

Ah. Ok.

Not an Assani fan, eh?

I can stand losing backing him, most people here can't. I give here and he takes. I just want people to know what they are getting in to. He was a great member long ago, now he come here to feed ego and cash.........this is just my opinion. Plus he still owes me 3 hundred from the Rhino.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

 

[IC FBGCav]

Assani's ROI from FGB backing 30K in(at least)..........paid 0.00%

 

[Corporation]

Assani's ROI from FGB backing 30K in(at least)..........paid 0.00%

I'm no financial whiz, but that's not very good.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Assani's ROI from FGB backing 30K in(at least)..........paid 0.00%

I'm no financial whiz, but that's not very good.

Just the facts.

 

[IC FBGCav]

I can tell you this much, O gave him cash too. We agreed, we would back each other before we back him again.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Tournies are high-variance. Not sure why anyone would be surprised if even a very good player goes 0-fer several WSOP events.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Tournies are high-variance. Not sure why anyone would be surprised if even a very good player goes 0-fer several WSOP events.

Well PM him and throw your money down. GL GB.

 

[tommyGunZ]

In sum, you wired $ to a professional gambler you "know" from a fantasy football message board for him to gamble with, and you're salty b/c you lost?

I needed some scratch donated into a Pokerstars acct at one time, after they stopped taking deposits from my bank. I mailed Assani a check for $500, and he cashed it and moved $500 into my acct. So I know he's honest.

 

[IC FBGCav]

In sum, you wired $ to a professional gambler you "know" from a fantasy football message board for him to gamble with, and you're salty b/c you lost?

I needed some scratch donated into a Pokerstars acct at one time, after they stopped taking deposits from my bank. I mailed Assani a check for $500, and he cashed it and moved $500 into my acct. So I know he's honest.

You talking to me?

 

[Otis]

Dude. It's weed. This isn't about "credentials" or "emotional disconnects." It's about you fooling yourself.

If it's working for you and you're having fun in life, good on you.

I spent a long time putting forth a reasonable defense of my position. If I'm wrong then tell me what you disagree with. Just shrugging and not addressing any point I raised is a very immature way to have a discussion.

" It's about you fooling yourself."

You have a history of fooling yourself(massive swings in gambling due to some sorts of cognitive biases or emotional disconnects). I have a history of succeeding at a job which requires the employee to be very good at not fooling him/herself. So why are you lecturing me on how I am fooling myself(while failing to even respond to my points)?

"If it's working for you and you're having fun in life, good on you."

Thats the point- it is working for me! And it works better for me than days I don't smoke. So what exactly do you disagree with?

Really didn't want to waste time on this, but fine, I'll bite:

Re: your first point, you and your friends have done a good job of justifying to yourselves the fact that smoking pot makes you better. I doubt it does and you've got no proof of that other than your own claim (along with your own admission that in the past 12+ months you're under water and in fact have lost six figures at this craft you're supposedly making a living at?). It's silly. Your posts in the last two pages feel like denial--like an alcoholic who hasn't hit step 1 yet. "Yeah, I used to be a little addicted, but now I could stop whenever I wanted, and anyway it makes me better at what I do, so I'm all good." I think pot is pretty harmless fun and am all for legalizing it, but just like I don't think anyone other than Slash should show up at his job a case deep into Budweiser, I don't think pot helps anyone in any profession.

It sounds like you're having a blast which is great, but you might want to consider disclosing to the people who back you that you're planning to do drugs while you play. You can tell them it makes you better; you can tell them you've experimented with your doses with great care and identified the optimal amount that makes you the best player you can be; you can tell them that you and all the other kids do it during a break in cards and it's all just a bunch of professionals being professional; but by all means, tell them, and let them decide what to make of it. I had fun backing you, and I'm not griping about the loss -- I wrote it off as a lottery ticket the minute I sent it -- but that's probably information I would have liked in advance and others would probably want as well (I might have had more fun, and more bang for my buck, backing a sober guy). Of course, that's the risk I run in funding a guy on the Internet I've never met, and shame on me in that respect. But going forward you might consider that--because while you seem to believe this all makes you a much better player, I suspect lots and lots of people might have a different view.

Maybe the only reason I'm really biting here is your questioning of me. I'm not doing drugs, and I'm not showing up to my job half in the bag. I've got a career I worked pretty hard for, and a steady income. I provide for a family. No I don't have the time to play a lot of basketball and go to the gym a lot and sit around with my buddies and smoke pot and discuss gambling philosophies, but I'm good with where I am and wouldn't change a whole lot. You can call it an "emotional disconnect" or some other nonsense conjured up by some kid laying on the hood of his T-Bird while looking at the stars one night amped up on shrooms, but what about the reality that I just have fun with the action of gambling? And I enjoy the entertainment? And though I was never a professional gambler, I also haven't lost six figures in a year. I'm cool with that. I may even play in the WSOP ME one year just for the fun and experience. Always wanted to. I'll write off the10k as a lottery ticket and an experience, and the rest would be gravy.

It's not my life and so I don't care a tremendous amount, but out of curiosity, do you think your lifestyle is sustainable long term? What does your family think about it? Do you ever want to have a family of your own, and children? If so, and if you're on an 18 month streak of no income, how would you make that work? And if that does happen -- if you wake up at 35 with no skills and nothing on a resume other than 15 years of professional gambling, but you've met a girl and want to "settle down," what will you do?

 

[the moops]

Moving to the burbs and getting married and having a kid has ruined Otis. Poor guy

-edit- 2 kids now? You have that 2nd one yet?

 

[spOOfy]

 

[Otis]

Moving to the burbs and getting married and having a kid has ruined Otis. Poor guy

-edit- 2 kids now? You have that 2nd one yet?

One more on the way now GB, due in February (lost one pretty far along early this year). So far, smooth sailing this time, fingers crossed.



Unsurprisingly, the gods have cursed, I mean blessed, me with all girls. I will be surrounded.

 

[Abraham]

Serious question: what is your total net earnings from game play in the last year?

I will never answer a question like this for a number of reasons.

If you want to ask generic questions that hint at your real question such as "What stakes do you play?", "What type of bankroll do you need for such stakes?", "Are you backed or playing on your own bankroll?", etc., etc. then go for it(although I've kinda answer them already all throughout the thread). But I'm not interested one bit in publicly giving out exact income numbers.

My bad. Let me rephrase: in the last twelve months, have you won enough playing cards to pay your bills and have at least $1 left over(I.e. Profitable)Eta - I do not really care what stakes you play or the size of your roll or of you have backers. I am asking if over 12 months (which is a large sample size) you are ahead or behind as a professional poker player.

Its actually close on whether or not the answer to your question is yes or no. If you change it to "15 months" then most definitely no, as I lost a ton at the 2012 WSOP playing in a bunch of events all on my own bankroll. But I think my play these past few months might make the answer "yes" for just the past 12 months. I made a ton of money in January/February 2012- significantly more than enough to live off of ever since.

Regardless to give you more insight on what you want to know(is it reasonable to think you I be a professional poker player in 2013 with my current skillset?):

I've lost a lot at tournaments in the past ~2 years. Not sure exactly, but I'd imagine its 6 figures +. Thats kinda just the nature of tournaments though....there was the WPT where I got 33rd(27 spots paid, 1st was over $1 mil), there was my deepish Main Event run where I got all in with 60+% equity to be a huge stack, and there were quite a few deep online runs that came up just short of big money. This doesn't worry me whatsoever...these tournaments are still clearly +EV due to so many fish, but the variance roller coaster is just insane(variance in high leverage tournament spots will NOT even out lifetime)

Online the games are TOUGH on PokerStars. I should have every reason to doubt my ability to make a living playing in these games, as I've often found myself questioning if anyone at the table is beating the rake because everyone is playing so well. The good life of being able to easily crush online games is just a pipe dream now.

Live the games are still very soft if you're willing to game select. While there are quite a few more grinders than 2+ years ago, the live grinders still are able to get by making clear errors(because the live fish are so bad they can still succeed with those errors) and its just not that difficult for someone like me with a ton of experience in online games. I have little doubt that I could live off these games, and they'll probably be my primary focus going forward(although I do plan to go to Toronto to play online sometime in early 2014).

Interesting. I would think that many (most?) people who see it as a profession would keep fairly accurate records of whether they are winning or losing. Aside from tax purposes it seems like it would be good to know if the player is actually any good or if they are simply living on borrowed time until there is no one left to stake them.

 

[Corporation]

Tax purposes are the exact reason he won't disclose (besides the fact it is not a good idea to throw personal information on the innerwebs). This thread hits pretty high if you google Assani Fisher, so he doesn't want to document huge paydays.

I think he's likely a little more than break even. The drug use may "help" with confidence due to the self fulfilling prophecy aspect. It is only a small part of "I play better on drugs", it is more now the notion you've accepted that you aren't as good off them. Because you firmly believe that, your actions and emotions work towards the outcome. If you lose sober, it's because you aren't on drugs. If you lose while blazed, it must have been a bad run and would have been worse if you were sober. Weed does not improve cognitive ability. It can make you less self conscious and perhaps that is a big portion of your playing strategy.

Just 2 cents from an old fuddy duddy

 

[tommyGunZ]

Moving to the burbs and getting married and having a kid has ruined Otis. Poor guy

-edit- 2 kids now? You have that 2nd one yet?

One more on the way now GB, due in February (lost one pretty far along early this year). So far, smooth sailing this time, fingers crossed.



Unsurprisingly, the gods have cursed, I mean blessed, me with all girls. I will be surrounded.

Congrats Oats!

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Is 5 hour energy ok?

 

[James Daulton]

No hate Oats and I agree with the totality of your post. However, didn't you lose like $60k in a week? It is a great story though.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Is 5 hour energy ok?

Must be disclosed in bold print to potential investors.

 

[Otis]

Is 5 hour energy ok?

Is it legal?

Does it have these kinds of effects on the brain in a game that is -- to the extent it's not blind luck -- a math and thinking game?

How Does Marijuana Affect the Brain?When marijuana is smoked, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to the brain and other organs throughout the body. It is absorbed more slowly when ingested in food or drink.

However it is ingested, THC acts upon specific molecular targets on brain cells, called cannabinoid receptors. These receptors are ordinarily activated by chemicals similar to THC called endocannabinoids, such as anandamide. These are naturally occurring in the body and are part of a neural communication network (the endocannabinoid system) that plays an important role in normal brain development and function.

The highest density of cannabinoid receptors is found in parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thinking, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement. Marijuana overactivates the endocannabinoid system, causing the high and other effects that users experience. These include distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty with thinking and problem solving, and disrupted learning and memory.

 

[Otis]

No hate Oats and I agree with the totality of your post. However, didn't you lose like $60k in a week? It is a great story though.

I started with two hundred dollars. I made the 60k before I lost it. But I'm not sure how that's relevant to this, given that I don't claim to be a professional gambler, and don't claim that the cartons of booze I drank as I online gambled made me any better at it. It sure was fun as hell though.

 

[Otis]

To the extent Truck wants to split hairs here, let's make it simple: pretend Assani's gambling is a job. Pretend he has your average, normal, reasonable boss in that job, and the company pays him to do that job. Now, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would frown upon him taking on the job: pot, cocaine, mushrooms, speed, heroin, meth, etc.

Now you draw a line.

Now below that line, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would not have a problem with him taking while discharging his job responsibilities:

aspirin, tylenol, 5 hour energy, coffee, Diet Sprite, etc.

I'd say that a "professional" poker player should disclose ti his investors anything above the line.

See how easy this can be?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I remember when my stoner friends convinced themselves that weed helped them study better in high school / college. Now they're convinced that it helps them make better fries.

 

[James Daulton]

No hate Oats and I agree with the totality of your post. However, didn't you lose like $60k in a week? It is a great story though.

I started with two hundred dollars. I made the 60k before I lost it. But I'm not sure how that's relevant to this, given that I don't claim to be a professional gambler, and don't claim that the cartons of booze I drank as I online gambled made me any better at it. It sure was fun as hell though.

I know I know. I just love that story.

 

[Otis]

No hate Oats and I agree with the totality of your post. However, didn't you lose like $60k in a week? It is a great story though.

I started with two hundred dollars. I made the 60k before I lost it. But I'm not sure how that's relevant to this, given that I don't claim to be a professional gambler, and don't claim that the cartons of booze I drank as I online gambled made me any better at it. It sure was fun as hell though.

I know I know. I just love that story.

You and me both. The better ending probably has me stopping around 70k and cashing out. Then again, if that were my personality, I probably wouldn't have gotten north of 5k before taking the money and running.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I remember when my stoner friends convinced themselves that weed helped them study better in high school / college. Now they're convinced that it helps them make better fries.

Ever blazed up Cliff?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

To the extent Truck wants to split hairs here, let's make it simple: pretend Assani's gambling is a job. Pretend he has your average, normal, reasonable boss in that job, and the company pays him to do that job. Now, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would frown upon him taking on the job: pot, cocaine, mushrooms, speed, heroin, meth, etc.

Now you draw a line.

Now below that line, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would not have a problem with him taking while discharging his job responsibilities:

aspirin, tylenol, 5 hour energy, coffee, Diet Sprite, etc.

I'd say that a "professional" poker player should disclose ti his investors anything above the line.

See how easy this can be?

I am not trying to be difficult, but the "line" for poker players is much different than it is for attorneys, or construction workers, or nurses. Poker players are self-employed. Poker's history is also pretty closely intertwined with booze and drugs that go far beyond marijuana. Assani seems like he has a pretty good handle on things. Maybe I'm incorrect, but if he's claiming it helps his game, I'm more inclined to believe him than not. And I think there's probably enough players who smoke weed that the chances that Assani is a smoker would certainly be plausible.

Assani hasn't disclosed any winnings or numbers, but he's still at it after several years, and several years post-boom when it's gotten a lot tougher. That says something pretty definitively to me. I wouldn't back Assani, but honestly I don't think there are many people I would back. I gamble enough, and I prefer to control my own action, I don't need to gamble on gambling.

Just my $.02. I can sort of see the point where someone might be upset, I guess everyone has different perspectives on various narcotics (FYI again, I don't smoke weed). Getting upset because one backed Assani and he didn't cash is silly IMO, unless he made some sort of guarantee about a positive return. And I doubt he'd do that.

 

[Jalapanose]

while I'm in here I will give one pretty cool update on poker: I'm currently on a 23 session winning streak at live poker...although after about 10 I definitely started going way out of my way to keep it going(if I'm down not leaving until I get up a tiny bit). Playing well, running well....overall things are pretty good.

How much was your 12th highest session win over that span? (median win)

FYP

 

[tommyGunZ]

To the extent Truck wants to split hairs here, let's make it simple: pretend Assani's gambling is a job. Pretend he has your average, normal, reasonable boss in that job, and the company pays him to do that job. Now, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would frown upon him taking on the job: pot, cocaine, mushrooms, speed, heroin, meth, etc.

Now you draw a line.

Now below that line, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would not have a problem with him taking while discharging his job responsibilities:

aspirin, tylenol, 5 hour energy, coffee, Diet Sprite, etc.

I'd say that a "professional" poker player should disclose ti his investors anything above the line.

See how easy this can be?

I am not trying to be difficult, but the "line" for poker players is much different than it is for attorneys, or construction workers, or nurses. Poker players are self-employed. Poker's history is also pretty closely intertwined with booze and drugs that go far beyond marijuana. Assani seems like he has a pretty good handle on things. Maybe I'm incorrect, but if he's claiming it helps his game, I'm more inclined to believe him than not. And I think there's probably enough players who smoke weed that the chances that Assani is a smoker would certainly be plausible.

Assani hasn't disclosed any winnings or numbers, but he's still at it after several years, and several years post-boom when it's gotten a lot tougher. That says something pretty definitively to me. I wouldn't back Assani, but honestly I don't think there are many people I would back. I gamble enough, and I prefer to control my own action, I don't need to gamble on gambling.

Just my $.02. I can sort of see the point where someone might be upset, I guess everyone has different perspectives on various narcotics (FYI again, I don't smoke weed). Getting upset because one backed Assani and he didn't cash is silly IMO, unless he made some sort of guarantee about a positive return. And I doubt he'd do that.

This. I doubt there would be any whining about Assani's puffing if he had cashed.

 

[Otis]

To the extent Truck wants to split hairs here, let's make it simple: pretend Assani's gambling is a job. Pretend he has your average, normal, reasonable boss in that job, and the company pays him to do that job. Now, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would frown upon him taking on the job: pot, cocaine, mushrooms, speed, heroin, meth, etc.

Now you draw a line.

Now below that line, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would not have a problem with him taking while discharging his job responsibilities:

aspirin, tylenol, 5 hour energy, coffee, Diet Sprite, etc.

I'd say that a "professional" poker player should disclose ti his investors anything above the line.

See how easy this can be?

I am not trying to be difficult, but the "line" for poker players is much different than it is for attorneys, or construction workers, or nurses. Poker players are self-employed. Poker's history is also pretty closely intertwined with booze and drugs that go far beyond marijuana. Assani seems like he has a pretty good handle on things. Maybe I'm incorrect, but if he's claiming it helps his game, I'm more inclined to believe him than not. And I think there's probably enough players who smoke weed that the chances that Assani is a smoker would certainly be plausible.

Assani hasn't disclosed any winnings or numbers, but he's still at it after several years, and several years post-boom when it's gotten a lot tougher. That says something pretty definitively to me. I wouldn't back Assani, but honestly I don't think there are many people I would back. I gamble enough, and I prefer to control my own action, I don't need to gamble on gambling.

Just my $.02. I can sort of see the point where someone might be upset, I guess everyone has different perspectives on various narcotics (FYI again, I don't smoke weed). Getting upset because one backed Assani and he didn't cash is silly IMO, unless he made some sort of guarantee about a positive return. And I doubt he'd do that.

Just have to disagree with most of your post above the bolded, and I hope you realized nobody in this thread as far as I know is upset that they backed Assani and he didn't cash.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I remember when my stoner friends convinced themselves that weed helped them study better in high school / college. Now they're convinced that it helps them make better fries.

Ever blazed up Cliff?

Yes sir. Lots. I have nothing against it. I'm just over convincing myself that it enhances any abilities other than making creative snacks.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

To the extent Truck wants to split hairs here, let's make it simple: pretend Assani's gambling is a job. Pretend he has your average, normal, reasonable boss in that job, and the company pays him to do that job. Now, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would frown upon him taking on the job: pot, cocaine, mushrooms, speed, heroin, meth, etc.

Now you draw a line.

Now below that line, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would not have a problem with him taking while discharging his job responsibilities:

aspirin, tylenol, 5 hour energy, coffee, Diet Sprite, etc.

I'd say that a "professional" poker player should disclose ti his investors anything above the line.

See how easy this can be?

I am not trying to be difficult, but the "line" for poker players is much different than it is for attorneys, or construction workers, or nurses. Poker players are self-employed. Poker's history is also pretty closely intertwined with booze and drugs that go far beyond marijuana. Assani seems like he has a pretty good handle on things. Maybe I'm incorrect, but if he's claiming it helps his game, I'm more inclined to believe him than not. And I think there's probably enough players who smoke weed that the chances that Assani is a smoker would certainly be plausible.

Assani hasn't disclosed any winnings or numbers, but he's still at it after several years, and several years post-boom when it's gotten a lot tougher. That says something pretty definitively to me. I wouldn't back Assani, but honestly I don't think there are many people I would back. I gamble enough, and I prefer to control my own action, I don't need to gamble on gambling.

Just my $.02. I can sort of see the point where someone might be upset, I guess everyone has different perspectives on various narcotics (FYI again, I don't smoke weed). Getting upset because one backed Assani and he didn't cash is silly IMO, unless he made some sort of guarantee about a positive return. And I doubt he'd do that.

Just have to disagree with most of your post above the bolded, and I hope you realized nobody in this thread as far as I know is upset that they backed Assani and he didn't cash.

That's what I was picking up from Fat Uncle Jerry Buss. Perhaps I was misinterpreting.

 

[James Daulton]

No hate Oats and I agree with the totality of your post. However, didn't you lose like $60k in a week? It is a great story though.

I started with two hundred dollars. I made the 60k before I lost it. But I'm not sure how that's relevant to this, given that I don't claim to be a professional gambler, and don't claim that the cartons of booze I drank as I online gambled made me any better at it. It sure was fun as hell though.

I know I know. I just love that story.

You and me both. The better ending probably has me stopping around 70k and cashing out. Then again, if that were my personality, I probably wouldn't have gotten north of 5k before taking the money and running.

You're right, and thank goodness for it.

Was just reading a recent Sports Illustrated about the jock-doc Dr. James Andrews. We should link him to this thread so he can see how he's not maximizing all of his cognitive abilities by not smoking a bowl before operating.

 

[Otis]

To the extent Truck wants to split hairs here, let's make it simple: pretend Assani's gambling is a job. Pretend he has your average, normal, reasonable boss in that job, and the company pays him to do that job. Now, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would frown upon him taking on the job: pot, cocaine, mushrooms, speed, heroin, meth, etc.

Now you draw a line.

Now below that line, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would not have a problem with him taking while discharging his job responsibilities:

aspirin, tylenol, 5 hour energy, coffee, Diet Sprite, etc.

I'd say that a "professional" poker player should disclose ti his investors anything above the line.

See how easy this can be?

I am not trying to be difficult, but the "line" for poker players is much different than it is for attorneys, or construction workers, or nurses. Poker players are self-employed. Poker's history is also pretty closely intertwined with booze and drugs that go far beyond marijuana. Assani seems like he has a pretty good handle on things. Maybe I'm incorrect, but if he's claiming it helps his game, I'm more inclined to believe him than not. And I think there's probably enough players who smoke weed that the chances that Assani is a smoker would certainly be plausible.

Assani hasn't disclosed any winnings or numbers, but he's still at it after several years, and several years post-boom when it's gotten a lot tougher. That says something pretty definitively to me. I wouldn't back Assani, but honestly I don't think there are many people I would back. I gamble enough, and I prefer to control my own action, I don't need to gamble on gambling.

Just my $.02. I can sort of see the point where someone might be upset, I guess everyone has different perspectives on various narcotics (FYI again, I don't smoke weed). Getting upset because one backed Assani and he didn't cash is silly IMO, unless he made some sort of guarantee about a positive return. And I doubt he'd do that.

Just have to disagree with most of your post above the bolded, and I hope you realized nobody in this thread as far as I know is upset that they backed Assani and he didn't cash.

That's what I was picking up from Fat Uncle Jerry Buss. Perhaps I was misinterpreting.

I don't think Cav is being sore about losing. I think he's just challenging the proposition that Assani is a "winning" or profitable poker player. But I can't speak for him.

 

[Joe T]

I don't think Cav is being sore about losing. I think he's just challenging the proposition that Assani is a "winning" or profitable poker player. But I can't speak for him.

Weird. I thought by saying Assani has returned 0% on former investments from various FBG, Cav implied that most would be better off shoving money into an online casino black jack game.

 

[Otis]

I don't think Cav is being sore about losing. I think he's just challenging the proposition that Assani is a "winning" or profitable poker player. But I can't speak for him.

Weird, I thought by saying Assani has returned 0% on former investments from various FBG, that most would be better off shoving money into an online casino black jack game.

Totally on board with this.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

To the extent Truck wants to split hairs here, let's make it simple: pretend Assani's gambling is a job. Pretend he has your average, normal, reasonable boss in that job, and the company pays him to do that job. Now, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would frown upon him taking on the job: pot, cocaine, mushrooms, speed, heroin, meth, etc.

Now you draw a line.

Now below that line, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would not have a problem with him taking while discharging his job responsibilities:

aspirin, tylenol, 5 hour energy, coffee, Diet Sprite, etc.

I'd say that a "professional" poker player should disclose ti his investors anything above the line.

See how easy this can be?

I am not trying to be difficult, but the "line" for poker players is much different than it is for attorneys, or construction workers, or nurses. Poker players are self-employed. Poker's history is also pretty closely intertwined with booze and drugs that go far beyond marijuana. Assani seems like he has a pretty good handle on things. Maybe I'm incorrect, but if he's claiming it helps his game, I'm more inclined to believe him than not. And I think there's probably enough players who smoke weed that the chances that Assani is a smoker would certainly be plausible.

Assani hasn't disclosed any winnings or numbers, but he's still at it after several years, and several years post-boom when it's gotten a lot tougher. That says something pretty definitively to me. I wouldn't back Assani, but honestly I don't think there are many people I would back. I gamble enough, and I prefer to control my own action, I don't need to gamble on gambling.

Just my $.02. I can sort of see the point where someone might be upset, I guess everyone has different perspectives on various narcotics (FYI again, I don't smoke weed). Getting upset because one backed Assani and he didn't cash is silly IMO, unless he made some sort of guarantee about a positive return. And I doubt he'd do that.

Just have to disagree with most of your post above the bolded, and I hope you realized nobody in this thread as far as I know is upset that they backed Assani and he didn't cash.

That's what I was picking up from Fat Uncle Jerry Buss. Perhaps I was misinterpreting.

I don't think Cav is being sore about losing. I think he's just challenging the proposition that Assani is a "winning" or profitable poker player. But I can't speak for him.

He's gotta be getting money from somewhere, right? Maybe he's a valet/donk?

 

[Otis]

To the extent Truck wants to split hairs here, let's make it simple: pretend Assani's gambling is a job. Pretend he has your average, normal, reasonable boss in that job, and the company pays him to do that job. Now, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would frown upon him taking on the job: pot, cocaine, mushrooms, speed, heroin, meth, etc.

Now you draw a line.

Now below that line, imagine anything that his normal, reasonable boss and average company would not have a problem with him taking while discharging his job responsibilities:

aspirin, tylenol, 5 hour energy, coffee, Diet Sprite, etc.

I'd say that a "professional" poker player should disclose ti his investors anything above the line.

See how easy this can be?

I am not trying to be difficult, but the "line" for poker players is much different than it is for attorneys, or construction workers, or nurses. Poker players are self-employed. Poker's history is also pretty closely intertwined with booze and drugs that go far beyond marijuana. Assani seems like he has a pretty good handle on things. Maybe I'm incorrect, but if he's claiming it helps his game, I'm more inclined to believe him than not. And I think there's probably enough players who smoke weed that the chances that Assani is a smoker would certainly be plausible.

Assani hasn't disclosed any winnings or numbers, but he's still at it after several years, and several years post-boom when it's gotten a lot tougher. That says something pretty definitively to me. I wouldn't back Assani, but honestly I don't think there are many people I would back. I gamble enough, and I prefer to control my own action, I don't need to gamble on gambling.

Just my $.02. I can sort of see the point where someone might be upset, I guess everyone has different perspectives on various narcotics (FYI again, I don't smoke weed). Getting upset because one backed Assani and he didn't cash is silly IMO, unless he made some sort of guarantee about a positive return. And I doubt he'd do that.

Just have to disagree with most of your post above the bolded, and I hope you realized nobody in this thread as far as I know is upset that they backed Assani and he didn't cash.

That's what I was picking up from Fat Uncle Jerry Buss. Perhaps I was misinterpreting.

I don't think Cav is being sore about losing. I think he's just challenging the proposition that Assani is a "winning" or profitable poker player. But I can't speak for him.

He's gotta be getting money from somewhere, right? Maybe he's a valet/donk?

You would think. Didn't he say he is down over the past 18 months or something like that? I don't know about you, but if I go a year and a half without income I'm hosed. Maybe he ran so hot in prior years that he can sustain a couple years of no income and live off prior winnings.

 

[LittleLarry]

I'd like to hear more about Assani needing 300 at the Rhino.

TIA

 

[Assani Fisher]

while I'm in here I will give one pretty cool update on poker: I'm currently on a 23 session winning streak at live poker...although after about 10 I definitely started going way out of my way to keep it going(if I'm down not leaving until I get up a tiny bit). Playing well, running well....overall things are pretty good.

Winning streak stopped at 25, was a fun run!

while I'm in here I will give one pretty cool update on poker: I'm currently on a 23 session winning streak at live poker...although after about 10 I definitely started going way out of my way to keep it going(if I'm down not leaving until I get up a tiny bit). Playing well, running well....overall things are pretty good.

How much was your 12th highest session win over that span? (mean win)

not sure off top of my head, but I'd guess just maybe $200 or $300....I'm playing short sessions often(~3 hours) on most weekdays but making it a point to play every day if I can. I've found that these shorter sessions every day keep me more focused than playing super long sessions 3 or 4 days per week.

I am IC Alkies, Cavalier and FUJB and I am sure a few others, I have met Assani and backed Assani as recent as 6 months ago........more?

Ah. Ok.

Not an Assani fan, eh?

I can stand losing backing him, most people here can't. I give here and he takes. I just want people to know what they are getting in to. He was a great member long ago, now he come here to feed ego and cash.........this is just my opinion. Plus he still owes me 3 hundred from the Rhino.

"I can stand losing backing him, most people here can't."

In large part I hate being backed by non-poker players because they suck at understanding variance, but I've actually always liked this forum's attitude and understanding of it. I think almost everyone here was fine with the times they lost money backing me(or at least didn't publicly make a big deal of it). As everyone knows, its a high risk/high reward investment where you're gonna lose money ~85% of the time.

"I just want people to know what they are getting in to. He was a great member long ago, now he come here to feed ego and cash.........this is just my opinion."

I think this(specifically the point about coming here to feed my ego) is unfair to me. When this thread started(and when I used to post here a lot), I was a young kid who was really good at logic but was far from a world-class poker player. Several of the posters here were better than me, and I learned a lot. However, after a while, I became pretty good and felt like I needed to move on to 2p2 to engage with message board posters who could teach me a lot about poker. Then after a while on 2p2 I felt like I learned a lot, and then I stopped posting about poker on 2p2(continued posting in non-poker threads there though) and started lots of poker discussions in person with guys who were known as great poker coaches(aejones of LeggoPoker being the guy who has taught me the most by far).

So when I come back into this thread every now and then, its mainly as a way to say "hi" and continue to interact with people who I have enjoyed and appreciated over the years. I'm not looking for advice or to learn(although I'm open minded, and I will never ignore someone who provides good reasons for their arguments) when I come here- I'm sorry if that comes across as me having an ego, but I've been doing this a long time and much of the advice offered drastically underestimates the amount of work I've already put in(i.e. assuming that I'm just haphazardly using marijuana instead of intently monitoring it's effects and my results).

As for coming here when I need a stake, I would've easily sold out either time without FBGs, but yes I very much can understand why it may come across as me only popping in here when I need a stake in the past year or two. I'll try to change that and stop in just to chat more often!

" Plus he still owes me 3 hundred from the Rhino. "

what is this about? If I do, I'll gladly pay....

 

[Assani Fisher]

Assani's ROI from FGB backing 30K in(at least)..........paid 0.00%

wtf, no! Not even anywhere remotely close to 30k. Where are you getting that number from? Most times I sell action, FBGs only buys a very small % of it. I don't know how much off top of my head, but maybe $3000 total action sold on FBGs???

And did nobody on FBGs have me in 2012 WSOP ME when I cashed for $35k?

If I'm remembering correctly(very possible I'm NOT), I sold action 3 times:

2012 WSOP ME: Cashed for $35k

2013 PokerStars SCOOP: Went 0/8, lost something like $16k

2013 WSOP ME: Did not cash(lost $10k)

But like I said, the huge majority of that was sold outside of FBGs. Am I forgetting about another time I sold action?

Tournies are high-variance. Not sure why anyone would be surprised if even a very good player goes 0-fer several WSOP events.

Yea, its really really strange to me that FUJB said "I can stand losing backing him, most people here can't"....it seems like hes the one person here who doesn't understand variance and can't handle losing. You should pretty much NEVER judge a live tournament player based upon his results, as they will never come close to having enough of a lifetime sample size for it to be meaningful. Judge a tournament player(and whether or not you should back him/her) solely based upon the way they play the hands(assuming you trust them to not lie to you about how the hands went down).

 

[Assani Fisher]

Really didn't want to waste time on this, but fine, I'll bite:

This is the problem- you are not interested in having an open-minded discussion where we treat each other like adults and try to gain a mutually beneficial understanding of each other's viewpoints. You view this as a "waste of time" and you're just "biting" on a fishing trip- you're 100% convinced that you're right before we even have the discussion!

Why not just try to be open minded and see how it goes? Instead of being in "I'm definitely right, the only reason I'm posting here is to convince Assani of that" mode, why not try "You know what, maybe Assani has a point....lets just sit back and have a totally open minded discussion" mode?

Re: your first point, you and your friends have done a good job of justifying to yourselves the fact that smoking pot makes you better. I doubt it does and you've got no proof of that other than your own claim (along with your own admission that in the past 12+ months you're under water and in fact have lost six figures at this craft you're supposedly making a living at?). It's silly. Your posts in the last two pages feel like denial--like an alcoholic who hasn't hit step 1 yet. "Yeah, I used to be a little addicted, but now I could stop whenever I wanted, and anyway it makes me better at what I do, so I'm all good." I think pot is pretty harmless fun and am all for legalizing it, but just like I don't think anyone other than Slash should show up at his job a case deep into Budweiser, I don't think pot helps anyone in any profession.

I already know that you doubt pot helps me, you think its silly, and you don't think it helps me in my profession. You stating your opinions once again doesn't do anything. In your entire paragraph above you never give any reasons for why you think the bolded stuff to be true. You just say that it is and then act as if we should believe you just because!

"you've got no proof of that other than your own claim"

I agree completely!!!! So on the subject of how pot affects Assani Fisher, why do you feel that Otis' own claims provide more insight than Assani Fisher's own claims? Note that if we were to change this discussion to "Should Otis be using pot at work and is pot helpful for Otis?" then I would never claim that my insights are more valuable than yours.

It sounds like you're having a blast which is great

Otis, please stop characterizing me as a young kid partying and "having a blast." Regardless of what you think about pot, this is completely inaccurate, and I am starting to find it insulting that you refuse to listen to what I'm saying.

I'm 31 years old. I'm responsible. I'm not "having a blast"; I'm "working my ### off to get as close to the top of my profession as I can." I take this seriously. You owe me the common courtesy of not mislabeling me in this way anymore.

but you might want to consider disclosing to the people who back you that you're planning to do drugs while you play. You can tell them it makes you better; you can tell them you've experimented with your doses with great care and identified the optimal amount that makes you the best player you can be; you can tell them that you and all the other kids do it during a break in cards and it's all just a bunch of professionals being professional; but by all means, tell them, and let them decide what to make of it. I had fun backing you, and I'm not griping about the loss -- I wrote it off as a lottery ticket the minute I sent it -- but that's probably information I would have liked in advance and others would probably want as well (I might have had more fun, and more bang for my buck, backing a sober guy). Of course, that's the risk I run in funding a guy on the Internet I've never met, and shame on me in that respect. But going forward you might consider that--because while you seem to believe this all makes you a much better player, I suspect lots and lots of people might have a different view.

1. To start off I'll say that this is a much more reasonable argument than your "I'll pretend that I know Assani more than Assani knows Assani" argument you make above. I thought that was completely nonsense, but I can understand where you're coming from here, and for this error on my part I do apologize.

2. I did not disclose a number of things about my playing style or techniques. What I did do was provide a detailed description of my results and promised that I would continue to use the same style and techniques that I have used to achieve those results.

3. If you are looking to invest in professional poker players, you are going to end up investing in quite a few people who are using weed. This is because it is so generally accepted among the pro poker community that weed is not only ok but beneficial for playing that nobody would think it an issue needing to be mentioned. Just search the 2p2 staking forums for "weed" or "marijuana" and you'll see that its pretty much never mentioned.

Maybe the only reason I'm really biting here is your questioning of me.

Maybe its really insulting when you continue to use "biting" when the person you are talking with has told you time and time again that he is not trolling and is attempting to have a reasonable conversation. Its very condescending imo.

I'm not doing drugs, and I'm not showing up to my job half in the bag. I've got a career I worked pretty hard for, and a steady income. I provide for a family. No I don't have the time to play a lot of basketball and go to the gym a lot and sit around with my buddies and smoke pot and discuss gambling philosophies, but I'm good with where I am and wouldn't change a whole lot. You can call it an "emotional disconnect" or some other nonsense conjured up by some kid laying on the hood of his T-Bird while looking at the stars one night amped up on shrooms, but what about the reality that I just have fun with the action of gambling? And I enjoy the entertainment? And though I was never a professional gambler, I also haven't lost six figures in a year. I'm cool with that. I may even play in the WSOP ME one year just for the fun and experience. Always wanted to. I'll write off the10k as a lottery ticket and an experience, and the rest would be gravy.

I think you misunderstood me. I was not making a personal attack on you in any way. You were(and still are) accusing me of "justifying to myself" my weed use, insinuating that I am unable to objectively view my own circumstance. The reason I posted that about you is to point out that our history in the gambling world points towards one of us being elite at objectively viewing his own circumstance(specifically as it relates to gambling) while the other one of is not so elite at this. That was my only point- didn't at all mean to attack your life outlook or career plans.

It's not my life and so I don't care a tremendous amount, but out of curiosity, do you think your lifestyle is sustainable long term? What does your family think about it? Do you ever want to have a family of your own, and children? If so, and if you're on an 18 month streak of no income, how would you make that work? And if that does happen -- if you wake up at 35 with no skills and nothing on a resume other than 15 years of professional gambling, but you've met a girl and want to "settle down," what will you do?

I'm doing better than you seem to think. I've been intentionally vague whenever it comes to actually disclosing my income in this thread, so I can understand the confusion. Some of my "wins" are have been bigger than you might think and I have been able to go through losing streaks without worrying.

Selling action doesn't mean someone is broke, as much as it means they've learned proper bankroll management(to play in a $10k buy in tourney, you should have over $1million poker bankroll).

While I won't go so far as to say that I'm not at all worried about the future, I think my future outlook is financially brighter than the overwhelming majority of people my age.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

good to see you thriving Assani.

Personally, I think a lot of people who cut their teeth multi-tabling online would play much better live if they got a little high and could really focus on their opponents in each hand with a higher level of clarity and focus. Assani has always been incredibly forthcoming about his strengths and weaknesses, wins and losses. While I don't like to smoke in the studio, I know a lot of artists who make their best and most thoughtful work when they are high. I am not sure why it so hard to believe him.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I remember when my stoner friends convinced themselves that weed helped them study better in high school / college. Now they're convinced that it helps them make better fries.

"Weed is a tool, like a hammer. You can build a house with a hammer or you can hit yourself in the nuts with it....just because some people choose the latter doesn't mean we should ban hammers." -Joe Rogan

“Taking LSD was a profound experience, one of the most important things in my life. LSD shows you that there’s another side to the coin, and you can’t remember it when it wears off, but you know it. It reinforced my sense of what was important—creating great things instead of making money, putting things back into the stream of history and of human consciousness as much as I could.” - Steve Jobs

"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world." - Carl Sagan

"There is a myth about such highs: the user has an illusion of great insight, but it does not survive scrutiny in the morning. I am convinced that this is an error, and that the devastating insights achieved when high are real insights; the main problem is putting these insights in a form acceptable to the quite different self that we are when we're down the next day. Some of the hardest work I've ever done has been to put such insights down on tape or in writing. The problem is that ten even more interesting ideas or images have to be lost in the effort of recording one. It is easy to understand why someone might think it's a waste of effort going to all that trouble to set the thought down, a kind of intrusion of the Protestant Ethic. But since I live almost all my life down I've made the effort - successfully, I think. Incidentally, I find that reasonably good insights can be remembered the next day, but only if some effort has been made to set them down another way. If I write the insight down or tell it to someone, then I can remember it with no assistance the following morning; but if I merely say to myself that I must make an effort to remember, I never do." - Carl Sagan

As I said earlier, it affects people differently....I don't doubt that some of your pot-head high school buddies grew up to be losers. But you're just wrong if you're saying that there aren't very smart and hard working people who have been very successful while using weed.