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Where's [icon] to give bf some more advice on how to play these things?
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Date Tournament/Event Place Winnings 04/26/2006 Hold'em NL $320 5 $4249
04/21/2006 Hold'em NL $10+Rebuys 113 $61
04/18/2006 Hold'em NL $20+Rebuys 2 $4,368
04/15/2006 Hold'em NL WSOP Satellite 1 $12,000
04/15/2006 Hold'em NL $100+Rebuys 8 $1,017
04/11/2006 Hold'em NL $20+Rebuys 1 $6,391
04/08/2006 Hold'em NL $150 19 $384
04/02/2006 Hold'em NL $50+Rebuys 7 $817
April's been a very good month.
Last night while watching I wish I had a pocket camera to see what you were folding late. You seemed to have quite a number of decent holdings but waited and waited and waited to get your chips in. This is why I could never play these MTT's and be successful. Patience is not a virture I possess.
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MelvinTScupper
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Bfred> when you get there, don't be nervous. They'll give you some "chips" and a "seat" -- you'll need the chips to play, and they'll want to put some down when you're the "big blind" and the "small blind." There are 5 "community cards" that you can use.Good luck.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I made some tough folds, but I think there's two approaches to the final table - if you have a big stack, you can steal the small stacks blind. If you have a little stack, play super tight and wait for the other small stacks to implode, then hammer. I'm a little upset with myself for picking a bad spot to make my move last night, but once I got there, just being patient ended up being worth a little over 3k.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Bfred> when you get there, don't be nervous. They'll give you some "chips" and a "seat" -- you'll need the chips to play, and they'll want to put some down when you're the "big blind" and the "small blind." There are 5 "community cards" that you can use.
Good luck.
Thanks [scupper].
Otis
Footballguy
Bfred> when you get there, don't be nervous. They'll give you some "chips" and a "seat" -- you'll need the chips to play, and they'll want to put some down when you're the "big blind" and the "small blind." There are 5 "community cards" that you can use.
Good luck.
Very solid shtick.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Well yesterday was ####### terrible with the STTs. I actually lost $300 on the $55s. Horrible beats, but nothing I havn't seen before. I don't think I have the patience for this low limit stuff though.
I got into one ridiculous argument with some idiot....I was the chip leader with 4 left by a large amount and there was one guy who had less than 1 BB who was all in. I bluffed into the dry side pot with nothing in order to let the shortstack survive. There were two other average stacks, and one of them flipped out and just couldn't understand why I would do that. I explained as best I could that since I was in no danger of finishing in 4th that I actually liked not being in the money yet since it meant that I could bully the other 2 players a ton....He was an idiot and simply couldn't understand this concept. We argued a bit. It was annoying, and a waste of my time.
I think I'm just going to go to $215s tomorrow. I know, I suck. I'm horrible. I think I just lack the discipline to actually follow through with it all.
I got into one ridiculous argument with some idiot....I was the chip leader with 4 left by a large amount and there was one guy who had less than 1 BB who was all in. I bluffed into the dry side pot with nothing in order to let the shortstack survive. There were two other average stacks, and one of them flipped out and just couldn't understand why I would do that. I explained as best I could that since I was in no danger of finishing in 4th that I actually liked not being in the money yet since it meant that I could bully the other 2 players a ton....He was an idiot and simply couldn't understand this concept. We argued a bit. It was annoying, and a waste of my time.
I think I'm just going to go to $215s tomorrow. I know, I suck. I'm horrible. I think I just lack the discipline to actually follow through with it all.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I think that can be a good move, but why would you talk to other players about it? Let them think you're a donk. That's good for you.
One word of advice here, and one that I'm concerned about for myself, too: Don't get to the point where you can't play well if the stakes aren't high enough. It might help to withdraw a bunch, and get something nice, or maybe set shorter term goals for yourself, like you did when you started this thread. But don't get in a rut with it.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Had a great start to the day. Only had $1K in my party account after yesterday. Played 5 $109s and 2 $215s with that. Got 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and 1 3rd to get up to $2200. According to my goals, I need to be at $5000 by the end of today. I think I set the first day goal too higher- after all, if I only expected to make $1500/day with the $215s, how was I supposed to make $2000 playing lesser stakes? Oh well, I'm still gonna try to make it.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Bad = I'm horrible at discipline and after being around where I started at the beginning of this STT quest, I got frusterated and decided to play not only above my current party bankroll but probably above my total bankroll and bought into a $530 STT to "break out of my rut."
Good = I'm the best poker player in the world and I won it. Up to over $3K in my party account now...need to be at $5K at the end of the night to be on track.
Good = I'm the best poker player in the world and I won it. Up to over $3K in my party account now...need to be at $5K at the end of the night to be on track.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Will be 24 in September.How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? Keep it up.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
PokerStars Game #4773361839: Tournament #23515475, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/04/28 - 20:48:04 (ET)
Table '23515475 11' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: karecon (5250 in chips)
Seat 2: jwvdcw (10638 in chips)
Seat 3: grolegogo (5475 in chips)
Seat 4: JohnnyBelow (2775 in chips)
Seat 5: dabest247 (5240 in chips)
Seat 6: ChaseTheAce (7165 in chips)
Seat 7: mx4ever (3050 in chips)
Seat 8: Mattssons (14955 in chips)
Seat 9: Sleypenator (4137 in chips)
karecon: posts small blind 75
jwvdcw: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jwvdcw [Jh 7c]
grolegogo: folds
JohnnyBelow: calls 150
dabest247: folds
ChaseTheAce: folds
mx4ever: folds
Mattssons: folds
Sleypenator: folds
karecon: folds
jwvdcw: checks
*** FLOP *** [Td 8s Jd]
jwvdcw: bets 300
JohnnyBelow: calls 300
*** TURN *** [Td 8s Jd] [2s]
jwvdcw: bets 900
JohnnyBelow: calls 900
*** RIVER *** [Td 8s Jd 2s] [8h]
jwvdcw: checks
JohnnyBelow: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jwvdcw: shows [Jh 7c] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
JohnnyBelow: mucks hand
jwvdcw collected 2775 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2775 | Rake 0
Board [Td 8s Jd 2s 8h]
Seat 1: karecon (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: jwvdcw (big blind) showed [Jh 7c] and won (2775) with two pair, Jacks and Eights
Seat 3: grolegogo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JohnnyBelow mucked [As 9s]
Seat 5: dabest247 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ChaseTheAce folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mx4ever folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Mattssons folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Sleypenator (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
I wanted to point out this hand, as an example of a time when check/calling may be better than betting on the river. I think this is a rather advanced concept, but lets look at the possibilities:
-He has a made hand and has been slowplaying by just calling: No matter what here I'm losing my chips.
-He has a hand like AT or a jack with a weak kicker: Pretty unlikely imo that he'd be calling throughout with this hand. This is the only case in which it'd be far better to bet here.
-He was on the draw(very likely with the flush/straight draws out there). In this case, I gain nothing by betting. However, by checking I could induce a bluff.
Now it ended up not mattering here as he didn't bluff. However, against an agressive opponent I think that this can sometimes be a good play.
Just wanted to bring this up because I havn't seen people mention it ever here.
Table '23515475 11' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: karecon (5250 in chips)
Seat 2: jwvdcw (10638 in chips)
Seat 3: grolegogo (5475 in chips)
Seat 4: JohnnyBelow (2775 in chips)
Seat 5: dabest247 (5240 in chips)
Seat 6: ChaseTheAce (7165 in chips)
Seat 7: mx4ever (3050 in chips)
Seat 8: Mattssons (14955 in chips)
Seat 9: Sleypenator (4137 in chips)
karecon: posts small blind 75
jwvdcw: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jwvdcw [Jh 7c]
grolegogo: folds
JohnnyBelow: calls 150
dabest247: folds
ChaseTheAce: folds
mx4ever: folds
Mattssons: folds
Sleypenator: folds
karecon: folds
jwvdcw: checks
*** FLOP *** [Td 8s Jd]
jwvdcw: bets 300
JohnnyBelow: calls 300
*** TURN *** [Td 8s Jd] [2s]
jwvdcw: bets 900
JohnnyBelow: calls 900
*** RIVER *** [Td 8s Jd 2s] [8h]
jwvdcw: checks
JohnnyBelow: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jwvdcw: shows [Jh 7c] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
JohnnyBelow: mucks hand
jwvdcw collected 2775 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2775 | Rake 0
Board [Td 8s Jd 2s 8h]
Seat 1: karecon (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: jwvdcw (big blind) showed [Jh 7c] and won (2775) with two pair, Jacks and Eights
Seat 3: grolegogo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JohnnyBelow mucked [As 9s]
Seat 5: dabest247 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ChaseTheAce folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mx4ever folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Mattssons folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Sleypenator (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
I wanted to point out this hand, as an example of a time when check/calling may be better than betting on the river. I think this is a rather advanced concept, but lets look at the possibilities:
-He has a made hand and has been slowplaying by just calling: No matter what here I'm losing my chips.
-He has a hand like AT or a jack with a weak kicker: Pretty unlikely imo that he'd be calling throughout with this hand. This is the only case in which it'd be far better to bet here.
-He was on the draw(very likely with the flush/straight draws out there). In this case, I gain nothing by betting. However, by checking I could induce a bluff.
Now it ended up not mattering here as he didn't bluff. However, against an agressive opponent I think that this can sometimes be a good play.
Just wanted to bring this up because I havn't seen people mention it ever here.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
PokerStars
Tourney #23515475
$109+rebuys
Started at 19:30
Less than 20 people left, I have a pretty good stack.
Tourney #23515475
$109+rebuys
Started at 19:30
Less than 20 people left, I have a pretty good stack.
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
thanks had TT.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
GL in that man...would be awesome to add to the total of FBGs.Thanks for the heads up....will edit.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
PokerStars Game #4774856592: Tournament #23515475, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1000/2000) - 2006/04/28 - 22:57:13 (ET)
Table '23515475 4' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: apestyles (51884 in chips)
Seat 2: 4ofaKindBud (35393 in chips)
Seat 3: DABADESTCHIC (16752 in chips)
Seat 4: jwvdcw (39447 in chips)
Seat 5: waylander200 (49849 in chips)
Seat 6: BIGTALKER (54388 in chips)
Seat 7: x2then (23980 in chips)
Seat 8: Mattssons (89736 in chips)
Seat 9: LUHMAN (33246 in chips)
apestyles: posts the ante 100
4ofaKindBud: posts the ante 100
DABADESTCHIC: posts the ante 100
jwvdcw: posts the ante 100
waylander200: posts the ante 100
BIGTALKER: posts the ante 100
x2then: posts the ante 100
Mattssons: posts the ante 100
LUHMAN: posts the ante 100
jwvdcw: posts small blind 1000
waylander200: posts big blind 2000
4ofaKindBud said, "thas game"
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jwvdcw [9d 9s]
BIGTALKER: folds
x2then: folds
Mattssons: folds
LUHMAN: folds
apestyles: folds
4ofaKindBud: folds
DABADESTCHIC: raises 14652 to 16652 and is all-in
jwvdcw: raises 22695 to 39347 and is all-in
waylander200: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh 7d Js]
*** TURN *** [Kh 7d Js] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 7d Js Ac] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jwvdcw: shows [9d 9s] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
DABADESTCHIC: shows [9h Ks] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
DABADESTCHIC collected 36204 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 36204 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 7d Js Ac Jc]
Seat 1: apestyles folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 4ofaKindBud folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: DABADESTCHIC (button) showed [9h Ks] and won (36204) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 4: jwvdcw (small blind) showed [9d 9s] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 5: waylander200 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: BIGTALKER folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: x2then folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Mattssons folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: LUHMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
PUshed with J9 from button(blinds had the pot up to 5.5K and I only had 18K, so it was worth it), SB had AK, but I sucked out.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
FINAL TABLE!!
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
wow, I'm actually the short stack. Thats surprising to me.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Eh, out in 9th...Pushed with TT, called by AK, eh won.
I think it was mentioned somewhere in this thread. It wasn't the first time though, I know I've read it several times in this forum.Nice job making another final table, by the way.
I'm curious, a lot of times I see you pushing preflop with 99 TT and other medium pairs. Sometimes it's to isolate the first raiser, which I understand, but it just seems like you do it alot. And when you are called you're either a coinflip or way behind. Why put most or all your chips on the line for at best a coinflip? If you are trying to steal blinds, or a resteal, all your chips don't have to go in. I'm just curious as to what your thought is behind this since you are a much better tourney player than me.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I'm not positive since I can't recall exact hands you're talking about, but basically I think you're seeing this: If you're going to raise enough that you'd have to make a crying call if re-raised, then its better to just push. For example, if I have 10K chips and the blinds are 750/1500, if I raise to 4500 with 99, then I will pretty much have to call all in re raise, so its better to just push from the beginning and give your opponent the tougher decision.Mainly, its done to gather the blinds, which are oftentimes vital at late stages. Note that you used the phrase "when you are called." You probably don't remember a lot of times that I just won the blinds since its rather uneventful, but those pots add up. You can't really play that creatively late in a tourney, and unless you're a bigger stack its all in or fold most of the time.I think it was mentioned somewhere in this thread. It wasn't the first time though, I know I've read it several times in this forum.Nice job making another final table, by the way.
I'm curious, a lot of times I see you pushing preflop with 99 TT and other medium pairs. Sometimes it's to isolate the first raiser, which I understand, but it just seems like you do it alot. And when you are called you're either a coinflip or way behind. Why put most or all your chips on the line for at best a coinflip? If you are trying to steal blinds, or a resteal, all your chips don't have to go in. I'm just curious as to what your thought is behind this since you are a much better tourney player than me.
Obviously I don't wish to be in too many 50/50 situations. However, if I'm the one pushing and my opponent calls and its a 50/50 situation, then I'm satisfied with that. With that last hand with 10-10, he easily could've had a lower pocket pair. Plus my stack was big enough that he could've laid down a hand like QKs or AJs.
Moreover don't forget the blinds and antes in the pot. You may think that its -EV in the long run for me to be in a 50/50. But if the blinds and antes are 1/4th or more of my stack and I'm entering a 50/50 with a player not in the BB or SB, then I'm getting way better than the required pot odds to be in that due to the blinds and antes.
Feel free to raise any specific examples of hands, and I'll try to explain my thought process. Its more than possible that I've made and will make mistakes, but usually I have some reasoning to back things up. You do raise solid points though, and this could spark some good discussion, so feel free to add some thoughts in.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Playing in another $100+rebuys at Stars right now. We just hit the money with 18 people left. I'm a pretty shortstack though, so I'll have to get lucky soon to make the final table where the big money is at.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
eh, out in 17th
Limp Dogg Bizkits
Footballguy
Assani, if he did bluff at this pot after you showed weakness by checking, what would you have done?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Call. The point was to check/call(meaning check with the intention of calling later). I showed weakness on purpose- because I believed that I either he had nothing(in which case the only way I get paid off more is if he bluffs) or that he had a monster(in which case hes getting paid off no matter what I do).
Limp Dogg Bizkits
Footballguy
OK cool. Would you call a pot sized bet from him there?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I would call his all in there. I was kinda hoping he went all in. Its not even a decision. I don't think he had enough chips to make a pot sized bet though.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
A bunch of tourneys today:
Million guaranteed at Stars
$750K guaranteed at Party
WSOP qualifier at Stars(I can get W$ instead of the entry since I already have one...not sure exactly what W$ are, but they sound cool)
Second chance NLHE $215 at Stars
$35K guaranteed at Party
$109+rebuys at Stars
And maybe the heads up tourney at Stars for $215...not sure on that one yet.
Million guaranteed at Stars
$750K guaranteed at Party
WSOP qualifier at Stars(I can get W$ instead of the entry since I already have one...not sure exactly what W$ are, but they sound cool)
Second chance NLHE $215 at Stars
$35K guaranteed at Party
$109+rebuys at Stars
And maybe the heads up tourney at Stars for $215...not sure on that one yet.
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I'm on tilt for some reason and playing bad and berating these idiots I'm playing against....lol, should be fun today.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
set over set knocks me out of Stars event. I'm ####### annoyed right now.
PokerStars Game #4792455043: Tournament #23112706, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/04/30 - 16:56:24 (ET)
Table '23112706 200' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: AJGrogan (2540 in chips)
Seat 2: latronic (2915 in chips)
Seat 3: MetalMiah (2690 in chips)
Seat 4: Verito (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: donnalee (3435 in chips)
Seat 6: goldfishman (1430 in chips)
Seat 7: Kiele (1770 in chips)
Seat 8: Giu01 (4950 in chips)
Seat 9: jwvdcw (2290 in chips)
Kiele: posts small blind 15
Giu01: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jwvdcw [2d 2c]
jwvdcw: calls 30
AJGrogan: calls 30
latronic: folds
MetalMiah: folds
Verito: folds
donnalee: raises 190 to 220
goldfishman: folds
Kiele: folds
Giu01: folds
jwvdcw: calls 190
AJGrogan: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 2s Kd]
jwvdcw: bets 180
donnalee: raises 240 to 420
jwvdcw: calls 240
*** TURN *** [3h 2s Kd] [Jd]
jwvdcw: checks
donnalee: checks
*** RIVER *** [3h 2s Kd Jd] [4h]
jwvdcw: bets 780
donnalee: raises 780 to 1560
jwvdcw: raises 90 to 1650 and is all-in
donnalee: calls 90
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jwvdcw: shows [2d 2c] (three of a kind, Deuces)
donnalee: shows [Jh Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
donnalee collected 4655 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4655 | Rake 0
Board [3h 2s Kd Jd 4h]
Seat 1: AJGrogan folded before Flop
Seat 2: latronic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MetalMiah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Verito folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: donnalee showed [Jh Js] and won (4655) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: goldfishman (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Kiele (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Giu01 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: jwvdcw showed [2d 2c] and lost with three of a kind, Deuces
PokerStars Game #4792455043: Tournament #23112706, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/04/30 - 16:56:24 (ET)
Table '23112706 200' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: AJGrogan (2540 in chips)
Seat 2: latronic (2915 in chips)
Seat 3: MetalMiah (2690 in chips)
Seat 4: Verito (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: donnalee (3435 in chips)
Seat 6: goldfishman (1430 in chips)
Seat 7: Kiele (1770 in chips)
Seat 8: Giu01 (4950 in chips)
Seat 9: jwvdcw (2290 in chips)
Kiele: posts small blind 15
Giu01: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jwvdcw [2d 2c]
jwvdcw: calls 30
AJGrogan: calls 30
latronic: folds
MetalMiah: folds
Verito: folds
donnalee: raises 190 to 220
goldfishman: folds
Kiele: folds
Giu01: folds
jwvdcw: calls 190
AJGrogan: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 2s Kd]
jwvdcw: bets 180
donnalee: raises 240 to 420
jwvdcw: calls 240
*** TURN *** [3h 2s Kd] [Jd]
jwvdcw: checks
donnalee: checks
*** RIVER *** [3h 2s Kd Jd] [4h]
jwvdcw: bets 780
donnalee: raises 780 to 1560
jwvdcw: raises 90 to 1650 and is all-in
donnalee: calls 90
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jwvdcw: shows [2d 2c] (three of a kind, Deuces)
donnalee: shows [Jh Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
donnalee collected 4655 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4655 | Rake 0
Board [3h 2s Kd Jd 4h]
Seat 1: AJGrogan folded before Flop
Seat 2: latronic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MetalMiah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Verito folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: donnalee showed [Jh Js] and won (4655) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: goldfishman (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Kiele (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Giu01 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: jwvdcw showed [2d 2c] and lost with three of a kind, Deuces
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I won the first round of the heads up tourney...on to round 2. I'm the king of confusing trash talk btw.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
And KK vs AA knocks me out of the big Party event. Set over set and KK vs AA....What the #### can I do? Hopefully I can get some luck in the other tourneys today.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Into the 3rd round of heads up matches. Win one more and I'm in the money.
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