Assani Fisher
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these 15 minute breaks are annoying
I'd agree that the call with 77 is a little loose, but isn't the opposite true as well? I understand Assani was forcing a tough decision, but why not just call and see a flop?How did you feel about that guy's call with 77?even though he had a big stack, that seemed pretty loose.Unless he has a flop reader or was really FEELING it, it seems loose to take a coinflip for 30% of your stack there.
Assani is down to 20 BB's and his M is in the yellow... you miss the flop a lot of the time with AK and you should have decent fold equity + you're only a huge dog to KK and AA.not a bad time to go for a coinflip with solid pot equity.obviously you're not thrilled by the call, although getting a shot to double there is good stuff.. results oriented thinking though makes it look bad.I'd agree that the call with 77 is a little loose, but isn't the opposite true as well? I understand Assani was forcing a tough decision, but why not just call and see a flop?How did you feel about that guy's call with 77?even though he had a big stack, that seemed pretty loose.Unless he has a flop reader or was really FEELING it, it seems loose to take a coinflip for 30% of your stack there.
I think folding there would've been a bad play by him. Seemed like a standard coinflip situation, just got unlucky.How did you feel about that guy's call with 77?even though he had a big stack, that seemed pretty loose.Unless he has a flop reader or was really FEELING it, it seems loose to take a coinflip for 30% of your stack there.
Dentist answered already, but...I'm out of position, I'll miss 2/3 of the time, most opponents will c-bet 100% of the time. I simply can't afford to call preflop and then most likley check/fold. Moreover I miss out on all the value from when he has AQ/AJ and we get it all in.I'd agree that the call with 77 is a little loose, but isn't the opposite true as well? I understand Assani was forcing a tough decision, but why not just call and see a flop?How did you feel about that guy's call with 77?even though he had a big stack, that seemed pretty loose.Unless he has a flop reader or was really FEELING it, it seems loose to take a coinflip for 30% of your stack there.
I get the feeling from reading your posts that your calling range in tourneys is way too small. You didn't like his call with A3os or the call yesterday with 77 from my opponents when I feel as if those were easy calls by both there.As for my push, sure I'd rather have other hands, but I can't sit and wait for those hands.pretty shocking call for pearljammer with A3oyou flopped a LOT of outs..rough beet.Why push with 6 high though... in a shorthanded, 1 on 1 all-in situation, wouldn't you rather have like Kx than 65?
you're probably right, it was a turbo... but isn't pearljammer a pretty tight player? that was my surprise.I guess I've had most of my success in tourneys by making a lot of big laydowns and not by pushing really small +eV edges. I hate calling, I like pushing and raising, but not calling.then again Assani, they say in the type of tourneys I play in (lower buy-in tournies) that players play too tight overall... I'm one of them I guess.and because these lower buy-in tournies play so tight, i don't see people pushing with 6d 5d.. if i have that A3o like pearljammer has, and someone shoves I figure A3o is going to be dog vs. their range.I'm marking this down for adjustments i'll need to make if I ever work my way up to larger buy-in tournies..heck, I might try some of these strategies on thursday in Event #13I get the feeling from reading your posts that your calling range in tourneys is way too small. You didn't like his call with A3os or the call yesterday with 77 from my opponents when I feel as if those were easy calls by both there.As for my push, sure I'd rather have other hands, but I can't sit and wait for those hands.pretty shocking call for pearljammer with A3oyou flopped a LOT of outs..rough beet.Why push with 6 high though... in a shorthanded, 1 on 1 all-in situation, wouldn't you rather have like Kx than 65?
Dentist, I think that style is correct at smaller buy in tourneys because the players are so much more passive. The 77 call seems very loose to you because a lot of smaller buy in players 3betting range is JJ+ and AK. 3betting light is not popular at that those levels because the players are passive and they are so random that they do almost anything with ATC, so just 3betting that super tight range is highly profitable.Dentist said:you're probably right, it was a turbo... but isn't pearljammer a pretty tight player? that was my surprise.I guess I've had most of my success in tourneys by making a lot of big laydowns and not by pushing really small +eV edges.Assani Fisher said:I get the feeling from reading your posts that your calling range in tourneys is way too small. You didn't like his call with A3os or the call yesterday with 77 from my opponents when I feel as if those were easy calls by both there.As for my push, sure I'd rather have other hands, but I can't sit and wait for those hands.Dentist said:pretty shocking call for pearljammer with A3o
you flopped a LOT of outs..
rough beet.
Why push with 6 high though... in a shorthanded, 1 on 1 all-in situation, wouldn't you rather have like Kx than 65?
I hate calling, I like pushing and raising, but not calling.
then again Assani, they say in the type of tourneys I play in (lower buy-in tournies) that players play too tight overall... I'm one of them I guess.
and because these lower buy-in tournies play so tight, i don't see people pushing with 6d 5d.. if i have that A3o like pearljammer has, and someone shoves I figure A3o is going to be dog vs. their range.
I'm marking this down for adjustments i'll need to make if I ever work my way up to larger buy-in tournies..
heck, I might try some of these strategies on thursday in Event #13
you are correct, unless i'm really deep - over 40 bb's, my 3-bet calling range is really tight because it seems like what i've encountered from many 3-bets has been fairly strong.in fact, i believe i saw some stats that said my fold % to pre-flop 3 bets was like 69%Dentist, I think that style is correct at smaller buy in tourneys because the players are so much more passive.
The 77 call seems very loose to you because a lot of smaller buy in players 3betting range is JJ+ and AK. 3betting light is not popular at that those levels because the players are passive and they are so random that they do almost anything with ATC, so just 3betting that super tight range is highly profitable.
If you really want to work on a skill to improve so you can play higher stakes, work hard on figuring out each player's specific ranges and how they will respond to what you do. For example, against you, it may be profitable to reraise you every time you open preflop from late position because you're range to call or shove over it seems to be very tight. If you get better at this, you're winrate should drastically increase.
Just want to point out that most people think that in order to get an accurrate representation of your true ROI you have to play at least 10,000 MTTs...in other words, your(and mine) ROI really doesn't tell you much at all except whether you've run well or not over a small sample size.Here's the thing though.. i really think what i'm doing is a good way of doing it in lower buy-in tournies... if someone could get a better ROI than I could over the long term in those buy-in tournies, i'd certainly listen.
10,000?thanks for the heads up Assani.I doubt I'll ever make the "long run" then.guess I'll settle for running like God and being a luckbox.But I refuse to believe that despite being nowhere near the "long run" that you're not an ultra-elite online tourney player, and I refuse to let a little thing like "long run" keep me from being very confident in my low limit rebuy mastery.lol donkaments.I doubt there's more than a small handful of people on the planet that have played 10,000 MTT's (not SnG's)Just want to point out that most people think that in order to get an accurrate representation of your true ROI you have to play at least 10,000 MTTs...in other words, your(and mine) ROI really doesn't tell you much at all except whether you've run well or not over a small sample size.Here's the thing though.. i really think what i'm doing is a good way of doing it in lower buy-in tournies... if someone could get a better ROI than I could over the long term in those buy-in tournies, i'd certainly listen.
10/202 now... PLO 300k guaranteed...pretty remarkable considering this thread and Assani's journey started with hold em not to long ago...good luck AssaniI see Assani is lookin good in the WCOOP-11. Not in the money yet, but currently 33/370.
He's in the money.....took about 6.5 hours to get in the money though. In PLO. Hell, when I play PLO ring games, I'm either quadroupled up and gone or lost my buy in within oh, 15 minutes.10/202 now... PLO 300k guaranteed...pretty remarkable considering this thread and Assani's journey started with hold em not to long ago...good luck AssaniI see Assani is lookin good in the WCOOP-11. Not in the money yet, but currently 33/370.
yea maybe I should've clarified that.....In about 1000 tourneys or so, if you're crushing them then you know for sure that you're a winning player. Conversely the people with horrible stats after 1000 tourneys are most definitely losers.What I meant though was that if you take two good players and have them play a bunch of tourneys to see who is better that it'd take 10K tourneys to truly find out.10,000?thanks for the heads up Assani.I doubt I'll ever make the "long run" then.guess I'll settle for running like God and being a luckbox.But I refuse to believe that despite being nowhere near the "long run" that you're not an ultra-elite online tourney player, and I refuse to let a little thing like "long run" keep me from being very confident in my low limit rebuy mastery.lol donkaments.I doubt there's more than a small handful of people on the planet that have played 10,000 MTT's (not SnG's)Just want to point out that most people think that in order to get an accurrate representation of your true ROI you have to play at least 10,000 MTTs...in other words, your(and mine) ROI really doesn't tell you much at all except whether you've run well or not over a small sample size.Here's the thing though.. i really think what i'm doing is a good way of doing it in lower buy-in tournies... if someone could get a better ROI than I could over the long term in those buy-in tournies, i'd certainly listen.
yeah, in the money now and down to 139...feeling pretty good right nowI see Assani is lookin good in the WCOOP-11. Not in the money yet, but currently 33/370.
I don't plan on it, as I think I'll be going to the gym(finally getting over a cold) and then playing live tomorrow. But if I'm still feeling sick then I may stay in and play it.Assani > will you be playing #13 tomorrow?I will be there.
Ah Kd 3c 4cNot the best flop, but gotta go with it after 3 betting preflop.I wonder what it was?PokerStars Game #20309366440: Tournament #200800011, $300+$20 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2008/09/10 21:32:15 ETTable '200800011 68' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: stackowak81 (35685 in chips) Seat 2: jwvdcw (38830 in chips) Seat 3: doclemage (19680 in chips) Seat 4: -db- (80858 in chips) Seat 5: jasvro (49707 in chips) Seat 6: 1SlyDog (35315 in chips) Seat 7: MacHugh37 (47310 in chips) Seat 8: Riley1 (74771 in chips) Seat 9: weaktight (6374 in chips) stackowak81: posts small blind 600jwvdcw: posts big blind 1200*** HOLE CARDS ***doclemage: folds -db-: folds jasvro: folds 1SlyDog: folds MacHugh37: folds Riley1: raises 3000 to 4200weaktight: folds stackowak81: folds jwvdcw: raises 9000 to 13200Riley1: calls 9000*** FLOP *** [Th Ks 9h]jwvdcw: bets 25630 and is all-inRiley1: folds Uncalled bet (25630) returned to jwvdcwjwvdcw collected 27000 from potjwvdcw: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 27000 | Rake 0 Board [Th Ks 9h]Seat 1: stackowak81 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: jwvdcw (big blind) collected (27000)Seat 3: doclemage folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: -db- folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jasvro folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: 1SlyDog folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: MacHugh37 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Riley1 folded on the FlopSeat 9: weaktight (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)