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Atomic Punk Mock Draft (1 Viewer)

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I started this thing about 3 weeks ago, but have had the hardest time nailing down some teams thinking this offseason. I have included trades as I have always done in the past. This was completed prior to the Compensatory picks being announced, which may have an effect on my next version (time permitting). Let me know what you think.

1.01 Miami Dolphins – Chris Long DE, Virginia

Parcells got himself a Super Bowl with the Giants by playing an aggressive style of defense and decent, but not elite, QB play by Phil Simms. This makes me think they will take a pass on Ryan, who may be the top QB this year, but is difficult to be called a sure-fire stud. Gholston and Jake Long are both possible options, but Chris Long has more of a Parcells feel than the others.

1.02 St. Louis Rams – Veronon Gholston DE/OLB, Ohio St.

Hall did not live up to the Rams expectations and Little is on the downside of his career. With the impressive depth and strength of the Giants D-Line this past year and the league having copycat tendencies, teams will place an even greater emphasis on putting pressure on the QB. The Rams need to beef up their depth at OT as well and may be better off drafting Jake Long, but my gut is saying Gholston.

1.03 Atlanta Falcons – Glenn Dorsey DT, LSU

As a Raider fan, I really hate mocking this pick since C. Long and Dorsey are 1-2 at the top of my list for the Raiders. The Falcons are sitting pretty with the #3 and 3 2nd round picks, and they can set themselves up very nicely.

The depth at OT and the narrowing of the gap between Ryan and the field at QB opens this pick up for a move to take the top ranked DT and fill one of their biggest needs. The trade with the Raiders for an additional high 2nd round pick makes me think they have their eye on someone other than Ryan. That leaves it a toss up between DT and OT.

1.04 Oakland Raiders – Darren McFadden RB, Arkansas

I don’t think the Cowboys are willing to give up three picks to move up and take McFadden, so it looks like the Raiders will have to take him themselves. I just don’t see them getting any others offers that will make them pass on the top rated RB. They have made a lot of moves on defense, so maybe this is the best long term move to try and improve the offence. If they somehow take a pass, I wouldn’t be surprised if they called DT Ellis with this pick.

1.05 Kansas City Chiefs – Matt Ryan QB, Boston College

I smell a wholesale change brewing in KC this year. They are nowhere near a playoff team and need to build from the ground up and can take their time doing so by grabbing their franchise QB. LJ powering behind a superior line was their bread and butter, but no more … it will be all about Ryan and Bowe in 2-3 years.

1.06 New York Jets – Jake Long OT, Michigan

This value can’t be passed on, especially since the Jets don’t have a lot of depth at OT. I could see a trade occurring here, but I didn’t want to get too aggressive with the trade scenarios since they don’t occur too often up at the top.

1.07 New Orleans Saints – Sedrick Ellis DT, USC

To NE - #10 and #78 To NO - #7

The Saints jump in front of the Bengals and grab Ellis to try and improve the Saints poor run defense. They can afford to pay their 3rd, (they have an extra 4th) since they probably feel they are only a player or two away from taking the next step this season.

1.08 Baltimore Ravens – Ryan Clady OT, Boise State

The Ravens may make a play for Ryan, but if they can’t swing that they will try and fill the void left by Ogden. Clady, Otah and Williams are the three main targets. Otah may be a better fit with the Ravens, but Clady could start sooner and should be higher on the Ravens board because of it.

1.09 Cincinnati Bengals – Keith Rivers OLB, USC

Many have Ellis falling to the Bengals and that isn’t out of the question. But if things fall the way they do here, Rivers will be their consolation prize.

1.10 New England Patriots – Branden Albert OG/OT, Virginia

To NO - #7 To NE - #10 and #78

I just can’t see the Patriots taking a CB at #7 and they will jump at the chance to grab another pick and slide down a little. Even after the trade, I’m having a hard time pulling the trigger on a CB. This is a little early for Albert, but I could see an odd pick here.

1.11 Detroit Lions – Rashard Mendenhall RB, Illinois

To BUF - #15 and #76 To DET - #11

The Lions are a mess and can go in many different directions. I originally had them taking an OT and then changed it to DE Harvey, but after they cut Jones and were left with just Tatum Bell, they will need to make a move in front of Denver, Chicago and Carolina to make sure they get Mendehall. Detroit has an extra 3rd this year and can afford the move up (the Bears are another candidate).

1.12 Denver Broncos – Desean Jackson WR, California

The Broncos could go in many directions here … WR, depth at Safety or OT, but I think Shanahan will want to give his new QB pupil an additional weapon at WR and also give him a weapon on ST.

1.13 Carolina Panthers – Jonathan Stewart RB, Oregon

I know the Panthers need OT depth and Stewart stock is rumored to be dropping lately, but I don’t think the Panthers can pass on a stud RB like Stewart when all they have on their roster is Deangelo Williams. Stewart is a perfect fit for the Panthers.

1.14 Chicago Bears – Jeff Otah OT, Pittsburgh

As I said earlier, the Bears are a candidate to move up, but if they have any sense they will keep all of their picks and try to rebuild their offense line.

1.15 Buffalo Bills – Derrick Harvey DE, Florida

To DET - #11 To BUF - #15 and #76

The Bills are another team that tends to do things a little differently, but I think they are in a prime spot to trade down and gain a pick. Most mocks have them have them taking a CB or a WR at #11, but DE’s are harded to come by this year.

1.16 Dallas Cowboys – Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB, Tennessee St.

To ARI - #22 and #61 To DAL - #16

DRC seems to be really climbing a lot of draft boards right now after wowing the scouts at the Senior Bowl. Is this Jerry’s “big splash”? Maybe, but they haven’t had anyone as talented at CB since Deion. The Cards need to fill their roster with some young talent and can use the extra pick. The Boys want their guy and will give a late 2nd to get him. If the Cards stay, they will likely take DRC as well.

1.17 Minnesota Vikings – Phillip Merling DE, Clemson

The Vikings need to take some chances and will do that by taking Merling who hasn’t had an opportunity to work out for scouts fully yet. They have arguably some bigger needs at WR and maybe even CB, but Merling could be huge beside Williams. This is also a spot that I could see Atlanta packaging their #34 and #48 to get their QB.

1.18 Houston Texans – Mike Jenkins CB, South Florida

I could see Atlanta and Houston swinging another deal to help each other out at the QB slot or even Miami jumping in here. In the end, Houston will either take a CB or get some additional big bodies on the O-Line.

1.19 Philadelphia Eagles – Chris Williams OT, Vanderbilt

Sure the Eagles still need a WR, but I don’t care. The Eagles will not reach for one and will spend their draft picks building up their lines or defensive backfield.

1.20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Brian Brohm QB, Louisville

Gruden loves his QBs and the front office knows they need a longer term solution than Garcia. I’m not sold on Brohm, but he could excel under the tutelage of Gruden and the West Coast offence system. This is eerily similar to the Rodgers to GB scenario.

1.21 Washington Redskins – Devin Thomas WR, Michigan State

With the top four DE’s off the board, the Skins could go WR or CB here. We don’t yet know what Zorn’s offence is going to look like, but he will need more than what he has right now at WR.

1.22 Arizona Cardinals – Quentin Groves DE/OLB, Auburn

To DAL - #16 To ARI - #22 and #61

The Cards need a lot of depth all over their roster, but nowhere more so than at rush end. They are also likely to take a RB on the first day, but I’m guessing they have their eye on someone in the 2nd or 3rd.

1.23 Atlanta Falcons – Joe Flacco QB, Delaware

To PIT - #37 and #68 To ATL - #23

The Steelers drafts haven’t been as strong as usual and they could use a nice influx of young talent. The Falcons give up their 3rd to get the guy they want. The depth this year lines up well with the Steelers needs. The only other options would be for them to take the BPA at CB, OT or WR.

1.24 Tennessee Titans – Limas Sweed WR, Texas

Another favorite mock draft pick due to the Longhorns connection between Sweed and QB Young. I could also see Talib being tabbed here.

1.25 Seattle Seahawks – Malcolm Kelly WR, Oklahoma

The Seahawks are another team that is already pretty deep and can afford to take some chances. Recent news has scared some off of Kelly, but his addition will help offset the loss of DJ Hackett and give Holmgren another weapon on offence.

1.26 Jacksonville Jaguars – Dan Connor LB, Penn State

BPA for the Jags and a steal at #26. I’m sure the WR’s remaining may be tempting, but abother WR in the first round and the Jags will be the Lions. Their only other option may be to take an OT like Cherilus or Baker.

1.27 San Diego Chargers – Aqib Talib CB, Kansas

I almost had the chargers screwing up the Cowboys plans and taking Felix here, but Talib is too good to pass on, especially with the need the Chargers have at CB.

1.28 Dallas Cowboys – Felix Jones RB, Arkansas

Standing pat with the #28 pays dividends and is the best thing the Cowboys can do, especially if they end up replacing Julius with Felix. He will be an excellent compliment to Barber and is a nice fit.

1.29 Kansas City Chiefs – Gosder Cherilus OT, Boston College

To SF - #35 and # 101 To KC - #29

Kansas City gives up an early 4th to take their OT to build their line to protect their new QB. San Fran now has two picks near the top of the 2nd and can add some much needed depth.

1.30 Green Bay Packers – Sam Baker OT, USC

That sound you hear is all of the team at the top of the 2nd round seeing the next tier of OT’s slowly disappearing. The Pack need a corner, but shouldn’t pass on Baker.

1.31 New York Giants – Kenny Phillips S, Miami

Another “consensus” pick here, as many mocks seem to have Phillips to the Giants. Other than Phillips, I could see them going CB, WR or OT.

2.01 Miami Dolphins – Anthony Collins OT, Kansas

2.02 Chicago Bears – Chad Henne QB, Michigan

To STL - #44 and #106 To CHI - #33

2.03 Atlanta Falcons – Curtis Lofton LB, Oklahoma

2.04 San Francisco 49ers – Kentwan Balmer DT/DE, North Carolina

2.05 New York Jets – Early Doucet WR, LSU

2.06 Pittsburgh Steelers – James Hardy WR, Indiana

2.07 Baltimore Ravens – Patrick Lee CB, Auburn

2.08 San Francisco 49ers – Lawrence Jackson DE/OLB, USC

2.09 New Orleans Saints – Mario Manningham WR, Michigan

2.10 Buffalo Bills – Earl Bennett WR, Vanderbilt

2.11 Denver Broncos – Ray Rice RB, Rutgers

2.12 Carolina Panthers – Calais Campbell DE, Miami

2.13 Saint Louis Rams – Mike Pollack C, Arizona State

To STL - #44 and #106 To CHI - #33

2.14 Detroit Lions - Jerod Mayo LB, Tennessee

2.15 Cincinnati Bengals – Trevor Laws DT, Notre Dame

2.16 Minnesota Vikings – Reggie Smith CB/S, Oklahoma

2.17 Atlanta Falcons – Carl Nicks OT, Nebraska

2.18 Jacksonville Jaguars – Pat Sims DT, Auburn

To PHI - # 58 and #89 To JAX - #49

2.19 Arizona Cardinals – Jamaal Charles RB, Texas

2.20 Washington Redskins – Brandon Flowers CB, Virginia Tech

2.21 Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Andre Caldwell WR, Florida

2.22 Pittsburgh Steelers – Antoine Cason CB, Arizona

2.23 Tennessee Titans – Roy Schuening OG, Oregon State

2.24 Seattle Seahawks – Dustin Keller TE, Purdue

2.25 Green Bay Packers – Justin King CB, Penn State

2.26 Miami Dolphins – John Carlson TE, Notre Dame

2.27 Philadelphia Eagles – Eddie Royal WR/RS, Virginia Tech

To JAX - #49 To PHI - # 58 and #89

2.28 Indianapolis Colts – Dre Moore DT, Maryland

2.29 Green Bay Packers - Martellus Bennett TE, Texas A&M

2.30 Arizona Cardinals – Jordy Nelson WR, Kansas State

To DAL - #16 To ARI - #22 and #61

2.31 New England Patriots – Fred Davis TE, USC

2.32 New York Giants - Xavier Adibi LB, Virginia Tech

 
:goodposting: Excellent job AP. A very interesting read. I'm sure you'll get alot of flak for some of the non-obvious picks, but this is an excellent job. Only thing that jumped out to me as being unlikely would be SF trading out with Cherilus still on the board. He's exactly what they need at RT, especially with Martz coming in.
 
No way the Chiefs pass on Jake Long.

I like where your RB's have landed - all the spots make sense and position is justified.

 
No Chris Johnson? I expect him to go in the first round and will be stunned if he doesn't get picked on day one.

Carlson to Parcells in round two is a perfect fit. Nice call there.

Your first effort last year was better though. :goodposting:

This is just a brutal class to project. I'm sure you agree.

 
As a Saints fan, I can only pray we get so lucky to land Ellis.
I love this trade and think it just makes too much sense for the Saints to not try and pull it off. I know the Albert pick by the Patriots is way too early, but it is not out of the realm of possibility given what we have seen in years past.
 
:goodposting: Excellent job AP. A very interesting read. I'm sure you'll get alot of flak for some of the non-obvious picks, but this is an excellent job. Only thing that jumped out to me as being unlikely would be SF trading out with Cherilus still on the board. He's exactly what they need at RT, especially with Martz coming in.
Thanks! I don't disagree with you. I started on this thing about three weeks ago and only got seriously back into it this weekend. I had Cherilus going to SD two picks before SF in an earlier version and that threw a kink into my trade. I definitely may need to reconsider in v2.
 
what was the Steelers-Falcons trade?
To Steelers - #37 and #68 (value 780)To Falcons - #23 (value 760)I have a strong feeling that Flacco is the Falcons guy and they will pay the little bit of a premium to ensure the likes of Miami, Chicago and Baltimore don't get their hands on him.
 
No way the Chiefs pass on Jake Long.I like where your RB's have landed - all the spots make sense and position is justified.
The Chiefs front office comments about the QB play make me believe that there is a chance. It isn't often that the top ranked QB drops out of the top 5. There are also quite a few scouts that seem to think that Long is solid but not spectacular. With only Croyle on board, I think I would take the chance on the possible franchise QB.
 
Great read.

The Panthers won't go RB in the 1st. DW is the guy this year. They'll bring in a vet to back him up and draft a big back latter.

 
An interesting mock. First - I suck at these, so anything anyone puts together is a million times better than I could do. Nonetheless my :mellow: ...

> I find it difficult to believe that KC would pass on J Long knowing how closely so many teams rank the top-4 QBs, and they could easily get one of them with their #2 pick.

> How long before the R Rice to DEN is it's own thread? :lmao: but like most FFBall homers - I Like it.

> As a Packer homer - I think it's a lock that there's no way in the world T Thompson stands-pat on all 3 of his top-3 picks. He's never been one to move up in the first couple of rounds, but with a little more added ammunition this year - he may feel they're a playmaker or 2 away from being back near the top, and thus would consider moving up some to snag someone big.

> I just can't see Shanahan pulling the trigger on a kick-returner in the 1st! D-line was rough last year - I don't know much about `em, but you gotta think that's the priority.

> Like the NOS/NEP trade. Can't see Bill taking a OG that early though...

Still, overall - I like this..

 
No Chris Johnson? I expect him to go in the first round and will be stunned if he doesn't get picked on day one. Carlson to Parcells in round two is a perfect fit. Nice call there. Your first effort last year was better though. :lmao:This is just a brutal class to project. I'm sure you agree.
I almost mocked Chris Johnson to Ten, Sea, Ind and GB in the 2nd round but always found another "commodity" that I thought the FO would prefer. RB is deep this year and there should be 4-5 coming off the board pretty quickly in the 3rd round.I also love the Carlson to Miami pick ... it came out of nowhere, as I was not originally thinking TE at all for the Dolphins this early.I'll have to take a peak at my mock last year, but I will definitely agree it was a much bigger challenge than usual. I've usually done at least two drafts by now but I just kept giving up at times this year.It seems with the more information we get, the more we tend to overanalyse things and the more subterfuge with teams front offices and the media ... I don't know what to believe anymore. :mellow:
 
No way does Cason make it past the Buc's 2nd round pick. He might not even make it past 20.
When I'm doing a mock "no way" does not ever enter my mind ... if it does, you should just give up and not bother trying. History shows anything is possible on draft day.As far as Cason goes, I see him as an average CB and barely cracks my top 10. I can easily see him lasting well into the second, although you may be on to something with him going to the Bucs in the 2nd.
 
Great read.The Panthers won't go RB in the 1st. DW is the guy this year. They'll bring in a vet to back him up and draft a big back latter.
This pick was probably my second biggest question mark (Oakland being the first). I can see DE or OT with this pick, but Stewart just seems like a good fit and I was a little stubborn.With most of the talent at RB already scooped up, who do you see the Panthers going after? Even with some possible cuts, there isn't really anything but the dregs left. I thought they also had at least two RB spots open?I was also concerned about what Fox thinks about DW since he constantly left him out of the lineup for that sad-sack Foster all year. What is your take on that?
 
1.05 Kansas City Chiefs – Matt Ryan QB, Boston College

I smell a wholesale change brewing in KC this year. They are nowhere near a playoff team and need to build from the ground up and can take their time doing so by grabbing their franchise QB. LJ powering behind a superior line was their bread and butter, but no more … it will be all about Ryan and Bowe in 2-3 years.
I could see Atlanta trading up to this spot to grab Ryan and the Chiefs willing to trade down for more draft picks.
 
An interesting mock. First - I suck at these, so anything anyone puts together is a million times better than I could do. Nonetheless my :yes: ...> I find it difficult to believe that KC would pass on J Long knowing how closely so many teams rank the top-4 QBs, and they could easily get one of them with their #2 pick.> How long before the R Rice to DEN is it's own thread? :thumbup: but like most FFBall homers - I Like it.> As a Packer homer - I think it's a lock that there's no way in the world T Thompson stands-pat on all 3 of his top-3 picks. He's never been one to move up in the first couple of rounds, but with a little more added ammunition this year - he may feel they're a playmaker or 2 away from being back near the top, and thus would consider moving up some to snag someone big.> I just can't see Shanahan pulling the trigger on a kick-returner in the 1st! D-line was rough last year - I don't know much about `em, but you gotta think that's the priority.> Like the NOS/NEP trade. Can't see Bill taking a OG that early though... Still, overall - I like this..
Denver is a tough one to figure this year. Much like I have with NO, Denver really needs to move up and grab a DT, but they don't have any ammo except future picks and I don't think that is Shanny's modus operendi. I wasn't aware of the Rice - Den connection, as I've been trying to stay out of a lot of the threads these past few weeks so I don't get "group think".I was trying to swing a trade with the Pack, but they are a surprisingly strong team with not a lot of weaknesses aside from filling Favre's shoes ... and they aren't going to do that through the draft. I can see them maybe making a play for a CB or O-line, but I wasn't sold on anybody being worth it for Thompson.As for the top end of the QBs, scouts have them very closely ranked, but most teams don't. Each team will have "their guy" and won't want to settle for whoever of the four drops to them. I'm not as high on Ryan as Mayock, but I think he will be a very good pro and worth the investment. I also have the Chiefs moving up into the bottom of the 1st to take their LT (Cherilus).
 
Great read.The Panthers won't go RB in the 1st. DW is the guy this year. They'll bring in a vet to back him up and draft a big back latter.
This pick was probably my second biggest question mark (Oakland being the first). I can see DE or OT with this pick, but Stewart just seems like a good fit and I was a little stubborn.With most of the talent at RB already scooped up, who do you see the Panthers going after? Even with some possible cuts, there isn't really anything but the dregs left. I thought they also had at least two RB spots open?I was also concerned about what Fox thinks about DW since he constantly left him out of the lineup for that sad-sack Foster all year. What is your take on that?
Shaun Alexander or Lamont Jordan. Even Kevin Jones would be worth a gamble. I can't see the front office admiting that DW was a mistake this early and with the game breaking plays DW has occassionally made. A good lineman would go a long way towards improving the run game. Fox has always been loyal to his vets...DW is now that vet.The Cats pass rush was about the worst in the league last year and Peppers will likely be gone next year. I think they go DL in the first.
 
Definitely an interesting mock. I'm not a huge fan of the Redskins picks but I can definitely see things going that way. I'm not sold on Thomas, or any of the WRs projected to go in round 1, but given the choice I think I'd rather take Kelly or Hardy instead of Thomas. Ideally, I'd like to see them get a DE to play opposite of Carter, or some youth for the OL, but if things go down like in your mock there doesn't seem to be a ton of value for either line at 21. Flowers in round 2 wouldn't be terrible, they could definitely use another CB. On another note, where's Leodis McKelvin? He seems to be the popular pick to the Pats at #7 and if not there, at least in the top 10.

 
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Not a Lions fan and know that Matt Millen sucks but moving up is a silly idea IMO. They need so many things and there picks are too precious to be giving them up at this point. Get a Matt Forte/Kevin Smith type RB to pair with Tatum Bell seems like a way better plan in the end and add OL or D in round 1

 
neat mock... nice to see some non-traditional picks

by the way, if the Jets get Long that OLine will be a real force for years to come

 
NE, who everyone knows is in rough shape defensively, trades down and blows their first two picks on OL and TE help? They had the highest scoring team in the history of the league . . . and ignore their defense to make the offense better and do so by only adding another 3rd round pick? They had 3 Pro Bowl linemen last year. I don't see it happening this way (but props for putting together the mock) . . .

 
Brewzers said:
Atomic Punk said:
1.05 Kansas City Chiefs – Matt Ryan QB, Boston College

I smell a wholesale change brewing in KC this year. They are nowhere near a playoff team and need to build from the ground up and can take their time doing so by grabbing their franchise QB. LJ powering behind a superior line was their bread and butter, but no more … it will be all about Ryan and Bowe in 2-3 years.
I could see Atlanta trading up to this spot to grab Ryan and the Chiefs willing to trade down for more draft picks.
They'd probably like to, but how are they going to move up to #5? I don't see Jake Long making it past #3 let alone to #6, but I appreciate the out of the box thinking.

I don't like Flacco in Atlanta, Henne seems a better fit to me.

 
NE, who everyone knows is in rough shape defensively, trades down and blows their first two picks on OL and TE help? They had the highest scoring team in the history of the league . . . and ignore their defense to make the offense better and do so by only adding another 3rd round pick? They had 3 Pro Bowl linemen last year. I don't see it happening this way (but props for putting together the mock) . . .
I was thinking the exact same thing. The Pats are always a wildcard and they do usually draft the BPA. That being said if they don't start adding a few more legit pieces to their defense that unit is going to take a step backwards.
 
Brewzers said:
Atomic Punk said:
1.05 Kansas City Chiefs – Matt Ryan QB, Boston College

I smell a wholesale change brewing in KC this year. They are nowhere near a playoff team and need to build from the ground up and can take their time doing so by grabbing their franchise QB. LJ powering behind a superior line was their bread and butter, but no more … it will be all about Ryan and Bowe in 2-3 years.
I could see Atlanta trading up to this spot to grab Ryan and the Chiefs willing to trade down for more draft picks.
They'd probably like to, but how are they going to move up to #5? I don't see Jake Long making it past #3 let alone to #6, but I appreciate the out of the box thinking.

I don't like Flacco in Atlanta, Henne seems a better fit to me.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Flacco pick either. If Atlanta decides to package something to get a 2nd first round pick, the target will be Brohm. If they want Flacco, I think they can wait til the second. Just my pure speculation.Nice job, tho. I do like Dorsey. Wonder if Atlanta would take a Dorsey, trade up to get a Clady or Otah, then hope they can snatch Brohm/Henne/Flacco in the 2nd.

 
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SkinsFan6961 said:
Definitely an interesting mock. I'm not a huge fan of the Redskins picks but I can definitely see things going that way. I'm not sold on Thomas, or any of the WRs projected to go in round 1, but given the choice I think I'd rather take Kelly or Hardy instead of Thomas. Ideally, I'd like to see them get a DE to play opposite of Carter, or some youth for the OL, but if things go down like in your mock there doesn't seem to be a ton of value for either line at 21. Flowers in round 2 wouldn't be terrible, they could definitely use another CB. On another note, where's Leodis McKelvin? He seems to be the popular pick to the Pats at #7 and if not there, at least in the top 10.
Omitting McKelvin is a huge oversight (I knew I should have done a second read through). The Skins would nab him in a second if he is still available for them in the 1st IMO.
 
SkinsFan6961 said:
On another note, where's Leodis McKelvin? He seems to be the popular pick to the Pats at #7 and if not there, at least in the top 10.
:mellow: Also listed on a lot of mocks for the Jets pick at 6.
 
NE, who everyone knows is in rough shape defensively, trades down and blows their first two picks on OL and TE help? They had the highest scoring team in the history of the league . . . and ignore their defense to make the offense better and do so by only adding another 3rd round pick? They had 3 Pro Bowl linemen last year. I don't see it happening this way (but props for putting together the mock) . . .
I was thinking the exact same thing. The Pats are always a wildcard and they do usually draft the BPA. That being said if they don't start adding a few more legit pieces to their defense that unit is going to take a step backwards.
NE's 3 Pro Bowlers on the o-line didn't help them much against a decent pass rush from the NYG. They have been playing over their heads and I think BB knows he needs to address it. As for the TE, that was strictly BPA, although with Graham gone and Watson rumored to have a serious foot issue this pick wouldn't surprise me much. As for their D, the line is excellent, BB likes older LB's and he will probably grab CB's with both of the 3rd round picks he know has (if I added a 3rd round).
 
Punk...thanks for checking back in and the discussion. The mocks threads here are my sole source for draft info.

 
NE, who everyone knows is in rough shape defensively, trades down and blows their first two picks on OL and TE help? They had the highest scoring team in the history of the league . . . and ignore their defense to make the offense better and do so by only adding another 3rd round pick? They had 3 Pro Bowl linemen last year. I don't see it happening this way (but props for putting together the mock) . . .
I was thinking the exact same thing. The Pats are always a wildcard and they do usually draft the BPA. That being said if they don't start adding a few more legit pieces to their defense that unit is going to take a step backwards.
NE's 3 Pro Bowlers on the o-line didn't help them much against a decent pass rush from the NYG. They have been playing over their heads and I think BB knows he needs to address it. As for the TE, that was strictly BPA, although with Graham gone and Watson rumored to have a serious foot issue this pick wouldn't surprise me much. As for their D, the line is excellent, BB likes older LB's and he will probably grab CB's with both of the 3rd round picks he know has (if I added a 3rd round).
IMO, 18 games trumps one loss. The Pats OL is fine, although they do have one guy with a knee injury. BB has shown a propensity to grab DL help early, so I would be less shocked if they took DL help than OL help as they have 3 defensive lineman set to be free agents after the 2009 season.I believe NE will take a TE with one of their 3rd round picks (Martellus Bennett of Texas A&M might be an option if he's still around). I would not classify Watson's ankle injury as a major one, although he will need some time to rehab it.
 
NE, who everyone knows is in rough shape defensively, trades down and blows their first two picks on OL and TE help? They had the highest scoring team in the history of the league . . . and ignore their defense to make the offense better and do so by only adding another 3rd round pick? They had 3 Pro Bowl linemen last year. I don't see it happening this way (but props for putting together the mock) . . .
I was thinking the exact same thing. The Pats are always a wildcard and they do usually draft the BPA. That being said if they don't start adding a few more legit pieces to their defense that unit is going to take a step backwards.
NE's 3 Pro Bowlers on the o-line didn't help them much against a decent pass rush from the NYG. They have been playing over their heads and I think BB knows he needs to address it. As for the TE, that was strictly BPA, although with Graham gone and Watson rumored to have a serious foot issue this pick wouldn't surprise me much. As for their D, the line is excellent, BB likes older LB's and he will probably grab CB's with both of the 3rd round picks he know has (if I added a 3rd round).
Since Osi-Strahan-Tuck don't play for the other 31 teams I'm not going to let that performance soil a line that was a key contributor to a record setting offense. If there is someone special there at #7 I could see an Oline pick (BB loves to take care of the trenches) but if the Pats use both picks on offense I will be totally blown away. As for the D it has a lot of room for error right now. The LBs are a Vrabel or Thomas injury from being a serious liability and even now they have big time question marks. I agree that BB likes veteran LBs but who out there could make a difference that they could actually add? Either they address this area through the draft or trade (or the unlikely scenario of going to a 4-3) or this D will face an uphill climb all year long. The secondary has added some pieces but could still use some help. A big question here is where do they plan on playing Merriweather and unfortunately that is a complete unknown as of now.The Pats need serious help in the back eight of their defense. They didn't do much in free agency and if they don't do much in the draft or a draft day trade I would load up on Patriot players in fantasy because they will be involved in a lot of shootouts.
 
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I was also concerned about what Fox thinks about DW since he constantly left him out of the lineup for that sad-sack Foster all year. What is your take on that?
Follow the QBs and you may get your answer:When Delhomme started Foster had 52 touches to Williams 40 - Pretty much the committee approach like we all expected it would be to start the year. "sad sack" Foster has almost a 5.2 YPC the first three weeks and Williams was at 4.1 YPC.Then Jake got hurt and in the games Carr/Testeverde started, Foster had 184 touches to Williams 80. What changed? Well, neither QB was very experienced in the offense, so Fox may have opted for the vet RB who was a little more proven in blitz pick up. Also, the offense struggled (especially with Carr) which meant fewer downs and opportunities for all.The last three games of the season the team was in the toliet. Fox switched to Moore at QB because Vinnie was now out and Carr was deadful. Foster was still starting but he only had 35 touches to Williams 48 during that stretch. Williams averaged ~5.4 YPC to Foster's 3.1 during those final three games.
 
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Moldy Potato said:
As a Saints fan, I can only pray we get so lucky to land Ellis.
I love this trade and think it just makes too much sense for the Saints to not try and pull it off. I know the Albert pick by the Patriots is way too early, but it is not out of the realm of possibility given what we have seen in years past.
FWIW, the "experts" on NFL network today both had Albert in their top 7. One didn't have Ryan, the other didn't have McFadden.
 
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Atomic Punk said:
1.05 Kansas City Chiefs – Matt Ryan QB, Boston College

I smell a wholesale change brewing in KC this year. They are nowhere near a playoff team and need to build from the ground up and can take their time doing so by grabbing their franchise QB. LJ powering behind a superior line was their bread and butter, but no more … it will be all about Ryan and Bowe in 2-3 years.
I could see Atlanta trading up to this spot to grab Ryan and the Chiefs willing to trade down for more draft picks.
They'd probably like to, but how are they going to move up to #5? I don't see Jake Long making it past #3 let alone to #6, but I appreciate the out of the box thinking.

I don't like Flacco in Atlanta, Henne seems a better fit to me.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Flacco pick either. If Atlanta decides to package something to get a 2nd first round pick, the target will be Brohm. If they want Flacco, I think they can wait til the second. Just my pure speculation.Nice job, tho. I do like Dorsey. Wonder if Atlanta would take a Dorsey, trade up to get a Clady or Otah, then hope they can snatch Brohm/Henne/Flacco in the 2nd.
I agree they can probably wait for Flacco at the top of the second, but the Falcons wouldn't be the first team to use a 3rd to move up nad get thir guy ... especially when they have three 2nds.With all that happened with Vick, I think Blank and Smith will want a true leader at QB and Brohm IMO does not fit the bill. He is not a vocal leader at all and some say he has been coddled for much of his career. The fit just isn't there. Flacco or even Henne would be a much better fit.

 
NE, who everyone knows is in rough shape defensively, trades down and blows their first two picks on OL and TE help? They had the highest scoring team in the history of the league . . . and ignore their defense to make the offense better and do so by only adding another 3rd round pick? They had 3 Pro Bowl linemen last year. I don't see it happening this way (but props for putting together the mock) . . .
I was thinking the exact same thing. The Pats are always a wildcard and they do usually draft the BPA. That being said if they don't start adding a few more legit pieces to their defense that unit is going to take a step backwards.
NE's 3 Pro Bowlers on the o-line didn't help them much against a decent pass rush from the NYG. They have been playing over their heads and I think BB knows he needs to address it. As for the TE, that was strictly BPA, although with Graham gone and Watson rumored to have a serious foot issue this pick wouldn't surprise me much. As for their D, the line is excellent, BB likes older LB's and he will probably grab CB's with both of the 3rd round picks he know has (if I added a 3rd round).
IMO, 18 games trumps one loss. The Pats OL is fine, although they do have one guy with a knee injury. BB has shown a propensity to grab DL help early, so I would be less shocked if they took DL help than OL help as they have 3 defensive lineman set to be free agents after the 2009 season.I believe NE will take a TE with one of their 3rd round picks (Martellus Bennett of Texas A&M might be an option if he's still around). I would not classify Watson's ankle injury as a major one, although he will need some time to rehab it.
Who would you suggest that BB will take at DE/DT in the 1st (either 1.07 or 1.10). I don't see anyone that warrants that pick. Harvey is possible, but that would be aimed at moving him to OLB.I guess i'm not as sold on "the oline is fine" as you are. I think they over-achieved due to the fear they put in others teams ... that won't happen this year (as much).Over the last few years BB has drafted three TEs on the first day. One is gone (Graham), one is solid but rumored to be injured (Watson) and the other is barely holding on to a roster spot (can't remember his name). BB also surprised many by taking Mankins recently.One other option I was mulling over was for NE to swing a trade into the late 1st or early second to nab one of the top 6 CB's or maybe Balmer at DE. Something to consider for v2.
 
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I was also concerned about what Fox thinks about DW since he constantly left him out of the lineup for that sad-sack Foster all year. What is your take on that?
Follow the QBs and you may get your answer:When Delhomme started Foster had 52 touches to Williams 40 - Pretty much the committee approach like we all expected it would be to start the year. "sad sack" Foster has almost a 5.2 YPC the first three weeks and Williams was at 4.1 YPC.Then Jake got hurt and in the games Carr/Testeverde started, Foster had 184 touches to Williams 80. What changed? Well, neither QB was very experienced in the offense, so Fox may have opted for the vet RB who was a little more proven in blitz pick up. Also, the offense struggled (especially with Carr) which meant fewer downs and opportunities for all.The last three games of the season the team was in the toliet. Fox switched to Moore at QB because Vinnie was now out and Carr was deadful. Foster was still starting but he only had 35 touches to Williams 48 during that stretch. Williams averaged ~5.4 YPC to Foster's 3.1 during those final three games.
Excellent analysis ... hadn't looked at it from that angle.My feelings for Stewart may have swayed me more than I thought. I have discounted the foot injury based on the fact that this hasn't always resulted in major downgrading (Heath Miller). I just can't see a RB with his talent dropping too far and the fit was just too good to pass ... I don't know, I'm on the fence now.
 
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Moldy Potato said:
As a Saints fan, I can only pray we get so lucky to land Ellis.
I love this trade and think it just makes too much sense for the Saints to not try and pull it off. I know the Albert pick by the Patriots is way too early, but it is not out of the realm of possibility given what we have seen in years past.
FWIW, the "experts" on NFL network today both had Albert in their top 7. One didn't have Ryan, the other didn't have McFadden.
Looks like I may be on to something here ??!?!
 
Who would you suggest that BB will take at DE/DT in the 1st (either 1.07 or 1.10). I don't see anyone that warrants that pick. Harvey is possible, but that would be aimed at moving him to OLB.
Dorsey, Long, Ellis, Ghoulston, and Harvey might be candidates . . . and if they trade down Balmer, Groves, Campbell, and Merling enter into the mix. I'm not saying that they WOULD take DL help, only that I would put them on that pick more than an OL pick.
I guess i'm not as sold on "the oline is fine" as you are. I think they over-achieved due to the fear they put in others teams ... that won't happen this year (as much).
At least 25 teams would kill to have the Pats OL, probably more. If you watched their other games, Brady had all day to throw the ball (with the exception of a handful of games including the SB). They had one game where they had issues. Sure, if you can recreate the same level of talent and the perfect game plan every week (combined with a staff that seemingly refused to change their blocking scheme), then tthe rest of the league will give NE trouble (which I highly doubt is feasible).
Over the last few years BB has drafted three TEs on the first day. One is gone (Graham), one is solid but rumored to be injured (Watson) and the other is barely holding on to a roster spot (can't remember his name).
The mystery TE you are referring to is Dave Thomas, who was on IR, so he's not barely holding onto a roster spot. He did not see much action as a rookie because they had Graham. He will see more time this year. As for TEs, there are several decent ones but not many great ones this draft. i suspect that there are a handful of guys that will be late second round or third round picks, and NE will most likely take one with one of their two 3rd round picks.
BB also surprised many by taking Mankins recently.
This certainly is a true statement, but the difference this time around is that NE has clear needs where in recent drafts they did not have glaring weaknesses. Mankins was more of a luxury pick than a necessity pick.
One other option I was mulling over was for NE to swing a trade into the late 1st or early second to nab one of the top 6 CB's or maybe Balmer at DE. Something to consider for v2.
If I were to guess, the Pats will try to drop into the late teens or early 20s to take a CB and add a 2nd round pick and take a DE or LB. I suspect they will have potential suitors already lined up so when someone drops on draft day they will have a contingency plan already available. I think it's pretty clear that NE would rather drop down and save $10 million than take a high risk proposition for a position they don't really think is worth the money (CB) when they could have applied most of the cost to retain Samuel and elected not to.
 
Thanks for the reply.

I knew the TE had something to do with burgers but I couldn't remember why? I forgot why he was not around last year, thanks for the clarification.

I'm sold on the D-line possibility, I was just having some difficulty mocking it. Long, Gholston and Dorsey should all be long gone and I don't see BB moving up. Ellis has some potential, but I'm not sure about the fit. Will he play DE in the 3-4 and slide in to DT when they shift to the 4-3 ... possible I suppose, i just hadn't thought of it as a good fit scheme wise. I have been stuck in the mind set that BB will not take a LB in the 1st. Although Harvey, Merling and Groves are all listed as DE's, I think they would end up playing 3-4 OLB most of the time if NE takes them.

 
I also would not rule out the Pats trading their pick altogether if they could get someone they really wanted (read as an experienced LB that fits their scheme with a below market contract).

I have head BB and Pats brass whining about not wanting to pay big $$$ for the chance of future returns. Trading for someone established would minimize the risk and could actually cost less for more immediate production. BB does not appear to be a great advocate of nurturing players (possibly due to the win now mentality and position the team has been in).

IMO, that has heurt the team some as he certainly could have had more playing time for backups and younger players most of the year last year. Then they might have guys that could produce or at least have a better feel if they could handle starting or bigger roles. But since they didn't opt to go that direction, they are left with guys with a lot of practice experience but limited game day experience.

 
I also would not rule out the Pats trading their pick altogether if they could get someone they really wanted (read as an experienced LB that fits their scheme with a below market contract).I have head BB and Pats brass whining about not wanting to pay big $$$ for the chance of future returns. Trading for someone established would minimize the risk and could actually cost less for more immediate production. BB does not appear to be a great advocate of nurturing players (possibly due to the win now mentality and position the team has been in).IMO, that has heurt the team some as he certainly could have had more playing time for backups and younger players most of the year last year. Then they might have guys that could produce or at least have a better feel if they could handle starting or bigger roles. But since they didn't opt to go that direction, they are left with guys with a lot of practice experience but limited game day experience.
:rant: but what veteran LBs do you think are available that they'd trade for?
 
Good work. Don't agree with it all, naturally, but you go out on a limb, and I applaud that. Predicting trades is so incredibly hard to do...

Few funny ones I see -- Chad Henne to the Bears? I'm a Wolverines fan, but I just don't see Henne being much in the NFL. Sorry Bears, but if this were to become true, you're STILL stuck with medicore. Detroit taking a RB in the 1st? Eh, I could see that, with the Kevin Jones experiment over. That would be a nice choice, if they are going to do it. One can only hope! Falcons trading UP to get Flacco? Interesting!

 
I may nut if the Lions land Mayo with their 2nd round pick. I don't see them moving up in round 1 to draft anyone though. Word on the inside is that the Lions like Ray Rice a lot and are looking to move up back into round 2 with a 3rd/4th combo and take him on the first day if he is there so I don't think they go RB in round 1 unless all the OT and DEs are gone. They also really like the versatility of Forte and the speed of Johnson to boost the running game.

If Harvey falls to 15 for the Lions, they will run up and draft him as soon as the Bears pick is in. A draft of Harvey DE, Mayo MLB and Rice/Johnson/Forte at RB would be a near perfect scenario for them.

 
If the Steelers don't address their Oline with either of their 1st 2 picks I may refuse to watch a single game this year..... well OK that isn't true but there is now way Pitt (who loves drafting for the trenches) doesn't use an early pick on the Oline. Especially if they are trading out of picks. I assume they will only trade out if none of the Oline guys left are remotely close to the best player on their board.

 
If the Steelers don't address their Oline with either of their 1st 2 picks I may refuse to watch a single game this year..... well OK that isn't true but there is now way Pitt (who loves drafting for the trenches) doesn't use an early pick on the Oline. Especially if they are trading out of picks. I assume they will only trade out if none of the Oline guys left are remotely close to the best player on their board.
I thought I read somewhere that the Steelers felt pretty comfortable with their o-line with the signing of Hartwig. There are a few OG's and Centers that will fall into the 3rd and 4th that I think the Steelers will be interested in. As I said in the write up, if they don't trade out they will likely go BPA of either CB, OT or WR.
 
I may nut if the Lions land Mayo with their 2nd round pick. I don't see them moving up in round 1 to draft anyone though. Word on the inside is that the Lions like Ray Rice a lot and are looking to move up back into round 2 with a 3rd/4th combo and take him on the first day if he is there so I don't think they go RB in round 1 unless all the OT and DEs are gone. They also really like the versatility of Forte and the speed of Johnson to boost the running game. If Harvey falls to 15 for the Lions, they will run up and draft him as soon as the Bears pick is in. A draft of Harvey DE, Mayo MLB and Rice/Johnson/Forte at RB would be a near perfect scenario for them.
I like Mayo but I didn't think he was first round talent with some question marks related to character (arrested as a freshman) and on field (over pursues, can get engulfed, average coverage skills). He also barely tips the scales at 230 ... not my idea of a 1st round LB.Do you think his stock is rising that much that he will go in the first or top end of the 2nd?
 
Good stuff and some interesting picks. However, I hope you are very very wrong with the Steelers taking a WR and trading down no less. If they dont go with at least one OLineman with their first two picks, I am disowning my team.

 

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