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[bostonfred]

Reposted from the SSL3 thread

1.05 WR Larry Fitzgerald

Been around the 5 slot in WSL and PDSL and I'm tired of looking (and picking "first") at the same pool of a huge RB tier. Let's go a different direction and have some fun.

Weird how that works. I had the 15 pick last time. Jeff had the 16 pick, and now has 1, so he stays on the bookends. It seems like this happens fairly often, so by the time I get to a "real" draft, I'm thrilled to have a chance at a tier 1 guy like Peterson or Fitzgerald who simply wasn't an option in other drafts. On that topic, would anyone be interested in doing an MBSL auction in lieu of the regular MBSLs?

YES. Can you work up the framework for doing something on the messageboards? 18 rounds, 18 days, each team nominate a player each day, bids open for a day???

So here's what I'm thinking: 1) Instead of a normal auction, we do a sealed bid. Each team owner submits a sealed bid for all of the players nominated per day. At the end of the day, the highest bid wins. Players get $200.99 to make their bids. You can only bid full dollars and full pennies, and nobody gets more than 99 pennies (you can't "break" a dollar to get more). So three owners might bid $1.40, $2.04 and $2.05 for the same kicker. This replaces the "first to nominate a scrub for $1 usually gets him" strategy at the end. The "price" of the kicker is $2, and the pennies are effectively the first tiebreaker. The second tiebreaker is determined by dice-rolled waiver order that resets.

2) No instructions are taken. If you bid for five guys today, and get all five, you get all five. No saying, I only want two quarterbacks on a day you bid for three. So submit your bids appropriately.

3) Nobody can bid more than their remaining money on each bid. This also impacts strategy - if you really want two guys on the same day, but only have $20, you can bid $10 for each, $20 for one, but not $20 each. So pick.

3) Nominations. I don't know the best way to handle nominations. If we had one day where Peterson, Turner, MJD, DeAngelo, Fitzgerald, and Tomlinson were all nominated, the winning bids would be meaningless as a mock, because someone who wanted to make sure they got two of those guys, but didn't care which two, would have to overpay for two of them or bid for three and risk winning all three. Choices include having everybody submit tomorrow's nomination with today's bid, which gives you the possibility of one crazy day of nominations like above, or we do arbitrary fixed nominations. Maybe all of the x.16 picks on Monday, all of the x.01 picks on Tuesday, all of the x.15 picks on Wednesday, and so on. Or all of the odd x.1 picks and all of the even x.2 picks on Monday, all of the odd x.2 picks and all of the even x.3 picks on Tuesday, and so on.

Those are some of my thoughts. Any other ideas, objections, etc.?

 

[Pictus Cat]

ESPN Auctions were free last year.

Maybe a little easier for the draft.

 

[Duckboy]

Chaos Commish ran one on MFL last year. Ran pretty well, but never got score for survivor purposes.

Linky here

 

[Sinrman]

Of all the different types of leagues out thee, Auction is what I have the least experience in. So I would love to give it a whirl. Intriguing idea, and nice twist (sealed bid).

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

IN.

 

[bostonfred]

Of all the different types of leagues out thee, Auction is what I have the least experience in. So I would love to give it a whirl. Intriguing idea, and nice twist (sealed bid).

I really have no idea if sealed bid is the right way to go, which is why I'm throwing it out there. It just seems like a regular auction would be too difficult to coordinate while still being fair to the folks in different time zones and with real life obligations.

 

[BassNBrew]

Of all the different types of leagues out thee, Auction is what I have the least experience in. So I would love to give it a whirl. Intriguing idea, and nice twist (sealed bid).

I really have no idea if sealed bid is the right way to go, which is why I'm throwing it out there. It just seems like a regular auction would be too difficult to coordinate while still being fair to the folks in different time zones and with real life obligations.

Sealed bid kind of defeats the purpose of an auction format. It's a format of it's own.Could you leave an auction open until there are no new bids 4-6 hours or possibly a know deadline that such as 4PM EDT?

 

[renesauz]

Of all the different types of leagues out thee, Auction is what I have the least experience in. So I would love to give it a whirl. Intriguing idea, and nice twist (sealed bid).

I really have no idea if sealed bid is the right way to go, which is why I'm throwing it out there. It just seems like a regular auction would be too difficult to coordinate while still being fair to the folks in different time zones and with real life obligations.

Sealed bid kind of defeats the purpose of an auction format. It's a format of it's own.Could you leave an auction open until there are no new bids 4-6 hours or possibly a know deadline that such as 4PM EDT?

Can't see that working, as it would provide a clear and significant advantage to anyone who could always be on at 4.Sealed bids is a great idea, but I can only see it working if the player values are spread out significantly. (Ie: ON a given day, no more then 1 RB from the 1-10, 11-20, and 21-30 ADp range, same with WR's, etc.)

 

[BassNBrew]

Of all the different types of leagues out thee, Auction is what I have the least experience in. So I would love to give it a whirl. Intriguing idea, and nice twist (sealed bid).

I really have no idea if sealed bid is the right way to go, which is why I'm throwing it out there. It just seems like a regular auction would be too difficult to coordinate while still being fair to the folks in different time zones and with real life obligations.

Sealed bid kind of defeats the purpose of an auction format. It's a format of it's own.Could you leave an auction open until there are no new bids 4-6 hours or possibly a know deadline that such as 4PM EDT?

Can't see that working, as it would provide a clear and significant advantage to anyone who could always be on at 4.Sealed bids is a great idea, but I can only see it working if the player values are spread out significantly. (Ie: ON a given day, no more then 1 RB from the 1-10, 11-20, and 21-30 ADp range, same with WR's, etc.)

Then it would probably be best for the commish to nominate 15 players for the first 16 rounds with each owner getting to nominate one additional player once. The last two rounds could be solely owner nominated players. The last round would need to allow conditional bids so everyone would have a full roster.

 

[Captain Hook]

Without group participation, the "auction" portion is clearly distorted.

Having multiple players up for bid at the same time also changes the dynamics..........

BUT there has to be a format that will work for most people most of the time.

My suggestion is get a signup list where each player would submit their "most available" time periods during each day

Then put up a schedule of players on the block for a 2-3 hour period for ten days (M-F) and give it to everyone.

Any players not bid on would be up for one day bids at the end

 

[renesauz]

Without group participation, the "auction" portion is clearly distorted.

Having multiple players up for bid at the same time also changes the dynamics..........

BUT there has to be a format that will work for most people most of the time.

My suggestion is get a signup list where each player would submit their "most available" time periods during each day

Then put up a schedule of players on the block for a 2-3 hour period for ten days (M-F) and give it to everyone.

Any players not bid on would be up for one day bids at the end

Again...too easy to steal a player....huge advantage to whomever can regularly be on line when the auctions end.

There really is no good way to do an auction other then live.

 

[bostonfred]

Of all the different types of leagues out thee, Auction is what I have the least experience in. So I would love to give it a whirl. Intriguing idea, and nice twist (sealed bid).

I really have no idea if sealed bid is the right way to go, which is why I'm throwing it out there. It just seems like a regular auction would be too difficult to coordinate while still being fair to the folks in different time zones and with real life obligations.

Sealed bid kind of defeats the purpose of an auction format. It's a format of it's own.Could you leave an auction open until there are no new bids 4-6 hours or possibly a know deadline that such as 4PM EDT?

Can't see that working, as it would provide a clear and significant advantage to anyone who could always be on at 4.Sealed bids is a great idea, but I can only see it working if the player values are spread out significantly. (Ie: ON a given day, no more then 1 RB from the 1-10, 11-20, and 21-30 ADp range, same with WR's, etc.)

Then it would probably be best for the commish to nominate 15 players for the first 16 rounds with each owner getting to nominate one additional player once. The last two rounds could be solely owner nominated players. The last round would need to allow conditional bids so everyone would have a full roster.

That's why I suggested using picks 1.1, 3.1, 5.1, 7.1, etc. and picks 2.8, 4.8, etc., on day one. It spreads out the values so that you can always safely make a bid on the top players each day. It also becomes possible that nobody bids on a particular player, in which case they can be renominated later, but are not added to anyone's roster and won't be selected in the first 16 days of the auction. Along with each bid in round 16, owners who will not have a player on their roster must submit a round 17 nomination and their sealed bid for the player. You must bid on the players you nominate in rounds 17+, although your bid will be cancelled if you successfully fill your roster in round 16+. We continue until everyone has a full roster.

We'd need a safe place to send the sealed bids, maybe create an alias here with no PMs in their inbox and then have an auction commish check the PMs at the start of the day and announce the following day's picks. I'd be willing to be auction commish for the first pass of this, and if we end up having enough interest for two leagues, I'd be happy to help the other commish get set up.

If we want to keep some aspect of the nomination process, we could do a couple things. We could take turns nominating which rounds we use (for example, you get to go first and say I want to start with the 1.6, 3.6, etc and 2.5, 4.5, etc.). We could split it up so that one person nominates the even rounds, and another nominates the odd rounds. We could make a rule like, the person with the most (or least) remaining money gets to nominat the next rounds to use.

Or we could make a game of it - for example, each person submits two numbers with their bid, A and B. A must be between 0 and 100. B is your guess for the sum of A and B. Whoever comes closest gets to nominate the bid. So you might submit A-100 and B-1400, thinking that a lot of people are going to submit big numbers for A, or you might submit A-0 and B-200, thinking a lot of people will go low. If everybody did something like that and someone else went A-50 and B-798 they'd probably clean up. It adds a little random element to the nomination process, so nobody can sit there waiting for the 1.5 spot to come up so they can get Fitzgerald, and it adds another game to the mix, which might be fun.

Just some ideas.

 

[bostonfred]

Without group participation, the "auction" portion is clearly distorted.Having multiple players up for bid at the same time also changes the dynamics..........BUT there has to be a format that will work for most people most of the time.My suggestion is get a signup list where each player would submit their "most available" time periods during each dayThen put up a schedule of players on the block for a 2-3 hour period for ten days (M-F) and give it to everyone.Any players not bid on would be up for one day bids at the end

I understand why this would be better for a "real auction", but have you ever tried to schedule something with 16 guys on the internet before?

 

[Pictus Cat]

Just a suggestion.

Pick a time. See if you get enough people who can make it.

Fri 10 central seems better than most to me.

or get the guys first.

vote on a time.

backfill for those that can't make it.

If you have enough to make a different time, have two leagues.

 

[Captain Hook]

Without group participation, the "auction" portion is clearly distorted.Having multiple players up for bid at the same time also changes the dynamics..........BUT there has to be a format that will work for most people most of the time.My suggestion is get a signup list where each player would submit their "most available" time periods during each dayThen put up a schedule of players on the block for a 2-3 hour period for ten days (M-F) and give it to everyone.Any players not bid on would be up for one day bids at the end

I understand why this would be better for a "real auction", but have you ever tried to schedule something with 16 guys on the internet before?

Yes, I have and it works - assuming you have committed players.....BUT that is not at all what I was suggesting. Find the pockets of time that work for a good number of people and have several two hour periods per day and post who is going to be auctioned in each period - if they can't or don't want to show up, so be it. There has to be some give and take in this process given that you are NOT going to get everyone to commit to a block of time to have a real auction. But schedule blocks for known players spread across a couple of week gives everyone a chance (they could always add a partner and cover more time) and they will make time for what they can - otherwise they shouldn't be #######g participating in the first place.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm interested...timing is everything for me.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

I'd like to get in if any spots are open. I didn't make it into any of the SSL leagues so I'd like a shot at this one. Will the scoring system be the same as the other survivor leagues?

I can go along with whatever format or system you decide to use.I like a live auction but can do blind bid as well. Whatever the majority wants is fine with me. I can assure you I'll be an active owner.

Count me in.

 

[bostonfred]

If we can get 16 people who want sealed bid or who can agree on times or come up with something else, I'm down.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Suggestions:

Each owner may make 2 nominations.
$200 bidding pool, 18 spots.
Each nomination is accompanied by a $1 bid.
All bids in $1 increments (or higher).
Once your nominated player is done, you can re-nominate (so basically up to 32 bid threads are open at any given time).
Bid thread is open for 24 hours, so no one can complain that they didn't get a shot at someone.
Bids are closed after 24 hours OR 8 hours since the last bid.
Clock is off 12 midnight to 8AM Eastern, just like Survivor leagues
Once you have 17 players on a roster - only allowed one nomination.
Once the roster is full, you're done nominating.Questions? Does this work? Holes?

This should last approx. 3 weeks I think. The end game may get a little tricky, but I think it can be managed.

 

[waybackwhen]

I'll be the shark bait. I'm not as versed in the auction style, so I need the practice. I've got an auction startup league in early August so this is good.

Count me in!

I really like where Pasquino is headed with his format. I'm not sure the clock has to be off from 12-8 if there is a 24 hour window for each player bidding period though. I would think the bidding would be over exactly 24 hours from when they were nominated?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'll be the shark bait. I'm not as versed in the auction style, so I need the practice. I've got an auction startup league in early August so this is good. Count me in!I really like where Pasquino is headed with his format. I'm not sure the clock has to be off from 12-8 if there is a 24 hour window for each player bidding period though. I would think the bidding would be over exactly 24 hours from when they were nominated?

The off period to the clock allows for a back and forth bidding war to work overnight (where the 8 hour rule comes into play). If someone on the East Coast bids at 11:59PM, a West Coast player would be out of luck if he called it a night early and couldn't check in before 8AM Eastern (5 AM Pacific).

 

[Domination]

Suggestions:

Each owner may make 2 nominations.
$200 bidding pool, 18 spots.
Each nomination is accompanied by a $1 bid.
All bids in $1 increments (or higher).
Once your nominated player is done, you can re-nominate (so basically up to 32 bid threads are open at any given time).
Bid thread is open for 24 hours, so no one can complain that they didn't get a shot at someone.
Bids are closed after 24 hours OR 8 hours since the last bid.
Clock is off 12 midnight to 8AM Eastern, just like Survivor leagues
Once you have 17 players on a roster - only allowed one nomination.
Once the roster is full, you're done nominating.Questions? Does this work? Holes?

This should last approx. 3 weeks I think. The end game may get a little tricky, but I think it can be managed.

Obviously, you are no longer talking about blind bidding. Are you planning on running this the same time as MBSLs, or what is the timeframe? I am in if the time is right.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

So all bids will be seen by everyone on their respective threads,correct?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

So all bids will be seen by everyone on their respective threads,correct?

Yes, but I'm only throwing this out as a possibility.There seemed to be a lot of concern about how sealed bids would work.

 

[waybackwhen]

I'll be the shark bait. I'm not as versed in the auction style, so I need the practice. I've got an auction startup league in early August so this is good. Count me in!I really like where Pasquino is headed with his format. I'm not sure the clock has to be off from 12-8 if there is a 24 hour window for each player bidding period though. I would think the bidding would be over exactly 24 hours from when they were nominated?

The off period to the clock allows for a back and forth bidding war to work overnight (where the 8 hour rule comes into play). If someone on the East Coast bids at 11:59PM, a West Coast player would be out of luck if he called it a night early and couldn't check in before 8AM Eastern (5 AM Pacific).

Are we saying that a player must be on the clock for 24 hours excluding the 8 hours of "off period"?Maybe we should say it is a 24hr clock for each player nominated, and you can't nominate a player during the "off" period of 12-8EST. That way everyone could be around for the bidding war during the "on period", yet the bidding ends exactly 24 hours after they were nominated. That may be easier than making it a 24hr clock with 8hr's of "off period" in there. Then we would all be left figuring out what 32 hours from the time a player was listed was. Hopefully some of what I just typed makes sense.

 

[waybackwhen]

So all bids will be seen by everyone on their respective threads,correct?

Yes, but I'm only throwing this out as a possibility.There seemed to be a lot of concern about how sealed bids would work.

I think sealed bid would be a pain in the #### in this format. Every auction I've ever seen has always had everyone know what the bidding was.

 

[renesauz]

Jeff's idea would require a unique forum dedicated solely to that ONE league's auction. This forum probably wouldn't work (unless it were the ONLY thing going on for those couple/three weeks in here), and you couldn't use the same forum for more then one draft at a time.

 

[Twilight]

Jeff's idea would require a unique forum dedicated solely to that ONE league's auction. This forum probably wouldn't work (unless it were the ONLY thing going on for those couple/three weeks in here), and you couldn't use the same forum for more then one draft at a time.

Not necessary. One thread per day would be plenty, bidding on 16 noms per day (more manageable than the 2/person/day that Jeff suggests). Start the thread a day early so everyone can nominate someone for the next day. Obiously it wouldn't be as easy to read as doing the draft elsewhere, but that qualifies all the drafts here.

 

[radballs]

I'm in for this. Jeff's idea will work. I was originally going to propose 24 hours for the time since last bid before the player is locked, but 8 is probably sufficient.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Just keep seperate threads for QB's,RB's,WR,TE's,PK's and DEF's. Maybe have a max of 32 nominations per thread and then start another thread for that position, especially RB's and WR's. Limit it to 10 nominations per position per day. Whoever's going to run this thing just go ahead and nominate 10 names at the beginning of the thread and when those are done move on to the next 10 of choice. If no player nominated is bid on move them into another group of players.

Another possibility is to start with QB bids until they're completed and then move on to RB's,WR's and so on.

Lot of different ideas so we should be able to come up with some format that's conducive to everyone.