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Speaking of Native American groups.........Just in case anybody brings up the Florida State Seminoles, the university has had a long tradition & relationship with the Seminole Indian tribe. They have paid $ to them, sponsored scholarships, and the Seminole Indian tribe has fully endorsed the name & usage of mascot (horse & rider). They look at it as a positive relationship as this was all discussed years ago when other teams were brought under the microscope (Braves, Indians, Syracuse, etc)
Eastern Michigan changed from the Hurons to the Eagles in the 90s and there was a lot of contention about the decision- including from the Huron tribe who had many tribe members who felt the name was honoring them and sometimes spoke to the EMU sports teams. I won’t speak for Natives and their opinions on team names because like everything else, opinions are never universal. I will say from my perspective and tribe members I have spoken with, they see a major difference between Washington’s football nickname and the Cleveland baseball mascot from something like the Hurons or Seminoles.
I'm not sure I understand -- maybe because I am not American? -- but I'd love to hear more about this. I haven't myself heard that the US flag itself is under fire the same way Aunt Jemima is (outside the flag being a sign of colonialism, subjugation of first nation groups, etc.).
Haha funny sexual harassment joke
It’s named after the owner, not “brown people” and at no point have they ever insinuated anything different.
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Was it racist or did it just have a Confederate flag?
Show the movie on TCM and other outlets, but perhaps add a brief message/warning in the beginning like is often done with movies that have black face.
So you are thinking that the age of human actors and models in ads/commercials in America is ending?
Just its logical extension from the parameters set upthread. I'm not predicting anything, but I have noticed a lot of stick figures and differing oranges and blues for skin tones in advertising recently, especially those that deal with Rxs for some reason. Like stick figures with a swath of red strewn about them.
I haven’t noticed but I’ll keep an eye open. I just don’t think seeing a non-human or non-descript logo would get my attention since that’s nothing new.
Bingo.
I think a lot of the support for Kaepernick is his right to protest and disliking the NFL trying suppress the message. Whether I like him or not, agree with his message or not, I believe he should be able to kneel during the anthem without backlash. It doesn’t mean I agree with him on everything. Will there be talk of changing the flag, certainly. It’s been changed a bunch of times already so like the Constitution, it’s always been a work in progress. However, I doubt polling for changing the flag is very strong right now.
Whether we like it or not, our employers are not bound by the first amendment and can control our actions while we are employed by them and on the clock. Certain actions during my life have consequences that my employer may not like. I think the NFL has an issue with him kneeling while on "company time", so to speak. Especially if it affects the consumers buying the product. But is that something that needs to be collectively bargained? Like i said, stop playing the anthem.
Given their fan numbers, would anyone even notice this? Most the fans in the stands are there to support the visiting team.
The NFL has a contract with the players that says the players must be on the field and standing during the anthem or face potential consequence from the commissioner. I’m not saying legally the NFL did anything wrong. However, I can still disagree with their decision and how they handled it. My biggest disagreement is with the people who became enraged over it and made the NFL feel like they need to stop it instead of support positive reforms. I am fine with no anthem as well. It’s a weird thing to have before a professional football game to begin with.
I really don’t know the breakdown of their attendance but if there was a 20% reduction in season tickets or merchandise or local tv ratings, it would definitely get the attention of ownership.
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I havent seen any data/polls around "why" people support Kaepernick. I would have guessed most of the support is around the notion of equality/justice in policing. I think that is a good and noble thing to support, although the data behind it is ambiguous. For me the dilemma is around the flag.
All of those have been down by about that margin in the Redskins case over the past several years.
I agree with all of this. I don’t know if I have a personal opinion on it because like you said so well, I can see and empathize with so many of the different POVs. I do think changing the flag is far less important than changing the behaviors, attitudes and systems we have that are undesirable, oppressive or create double standards. What the flag looks like or what our National anthem is or when we play it or if kids say the pledge or who is on our money is all irrelevant to what kind of country we are so it’s not something I’m very passionate about one way or another. The only areas of symbolism that I really have an opinion on our symbols that are erected not in spite of their flaws but because of their flaws (Confederate flag, Confederate statues, etc).
Aunt Jemima >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mrs Butterworth.
All day long. In fact, i have a couple of farms in Vermont and just have it directly shipped, why waste time? Just grab the good stuff.
I would be more interested in your perspective if I couldn't stop staring at your avatar. Most beautiful woman of all time right there.
Thanks -- I hadn't heard that quote and thought Kaeperkick was protesting the "tradition" of standing in reverent respect for the anthem to show his opposition of racial injustice, police brutality and systematic oppression in the country. Didn't think the flag came into it at all.
It's an interesting point. And I guess this is where that fine line comes in. You can't have a national symbol without it representing the country -- and all the good and bad and ugly that goes with the nation's history.
As a Canadian, I heartily endorse this. If you've ever had the real stuff -- and I mean straight from a Quebecois sugarbush, right after the boil and the filtering of the sugar sand, that pure no. 2 amber gold -- you wouldn't be able to stomach any of that industrial-produced drek in a racist bottle again.
I think everyone is at the point of being shouted at as being "racist". If you don't "support" BLM, what does this mean? So, companies are now supporting something intangible and if you don't come out and show your support, you are a racist. This has shifted from white police killing black citizens (but not the other way around i believe) to solving racial and social inequalities, to monuments to the anthem to everything in between. The conversation to be had is longer than i can post. I mean, if someone came up to me and asked me if i support BLM, i am not sure how to answer.
I attended EMU the year after the change and there was always groups (Hurons Forever) attempting to change it back. It was pretty controversial at the time.
Absolutely! But remember, you are an FBG. Real maple syrup gets pretty pricey for the common folk.
It destroyed the alumni program and quickly after their athletic programs took an even bigger turn for the worse.
Price per gallon of maple syrup peaked around 2008 around $40 USD and has actually steadily declined since.
