Soaring Eagle
Footballguy
havent heard much
did he practice today?
did he practice today?
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austin collie - how hurt is he? (1 Viewer)
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
I think a lot of pre-seasons injuries are designed to keep players out of action. I am not worried
Soaring Eagle
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Austin Collie - WR - Colts Coach Jim Caldwell confirmed Tuesday that Austin Collie is progressing in his rehab of a training camp foot injury.
"He's doing well," Caldwell said. Collie's Average Draft Position has dropped nearly a full round, from the early sixth to the early seventh round since missing time with foot and knee injuries the past few weeks. Collie will offer WR2 production whenever he's on the field, but the injury risks leave him as a WR3 target on draft day.
Source: Phillip Wilson on Twitter Aug 30 - 1:43 PM
"He's doing well," Caldwell said. Collie's Average Draft Position has dropped nearly a full round, from the early sixth to the early seventh round since missing time with foot and knee injuries the past few weeks. Collie will offer WR2 production whenever he's on the field, but the injury risks leave him as a WR3 target on draft day.
Source: Phillip Wilson on Twitter Aug 30 - 1:43 PM
Soaring Eagle
Footballguy
thx
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Has he been running at all?
Louisville Slugger
Footballguy
He's worth the risk in the 7th rnd. If he is healthy he will put up borderline #1 wr #'s.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Borderline #1? WHen he played last season I think he was the top overall guy! He averaged dang near 20 points a game in PPR. I grabbed him in our dynasty league because when he plays, he's a good bet to get a lot of points. And when (if?) he's out, you can sub in somebody else. He's kind of the ideal player in that respect. You can get him at a discount right now and just ride his production until something happens. He's no more likely to get a concussion than Roddy White according to doctors. However if he does sustain one, he's going to be out a while because damage is cumulative.
Jerry Lawler
Footballguy
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll know much about Collie until the teams cut down to 53. Collie hasn't been at practice this week, and the Colts aren't providing any useful information about him. The only encouraging news is that, despite having several weeks of injuries to Collie (foot), Gonzalez (hamstring), and White (back), the Colts haven't brought in a veteran to play the slot. Of course, they could be waiting to see who gets waived next week, but I'm hoping the lack of WR's behind Wayne and Garcon means that the Colts expect Collie to be healthy for game 1. Nobody expects Gonzalez to be healthy.
glong989
Footballguy
Keep in mind that Clark was out during his hot streak. This means the middle of the field was his to wreak havoc on. Tamme was better than average but I think Clark being healthy will take some of those targets away. I'm a Collie owner and think he has good upside if he can avoid concussion, but I don't think it's reasonable for us to expect Collie to put up numbers similar to what he was doing in those first 6-8 weeks or however long it was before he started getting knocked out.'Sabertooth said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Now I am reading Jene Bramel stating some contrary informaion his medical column. On the audible it was made to sound as I explained it above. Now I'm not so sure.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Care to elaborate?
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
This is wrong. Both Collie and Clark were healthy in weeks 1-6 and based on the below numbers you can make a very strong argument for Collie being MORE effective with Clark on the field.Clark's numbers:
Week 1: 13 targets, 11 receptions, 80 yards, 1 TD
Week 2: 7 targets, 5 recepetions, 83 yards, 1 TD
Week 3: 7 targets, 5 receptions, 44 yards
Week 4: 11 targets, 7 receptions, 68 yards, 1 TD
Week 5: 6 targets, 3 receptions, 20 yards
Week 6: 9 targets, 6 receptions, 52 yards
Collie's numbers:
Week 1: 12 targets, 11 receptions, 163 yards, 1 TD
Week 2: 4 targets, 4 receptions, 25 yards, 1 TD
Week 3: 16 targets, 12 receptions, 171 yards, 2 TD
Week 4: 7 targets, 5 receptions, 39 yards, 1 TD
Week 5: 6 targets, 5 receptions, 48 yards
Week 6: 9 targets, 7 receptions, 57 yards 1 TD
Week 9: 2 targets, 1 reception, -1 yard - Got hurt and didn't finish the game
Week 11: 6 targets, 5 receptions, 50 yards
Week 15: 11 targets, 8 receptions, 80 yards, 2 TD
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Its pay content. This is the article I am referencing though. My linkhttp://subscribers.footballguys.com/2011/11bramel_2ndopinion.php
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Matt Waldman asked me to clarify my comments for him a couple of days after the show, too, so I must've talked myself in circles somehow trying to better define risk and susceptibility.What I should have / meant to say:
Studies have shown that an athlete who has sustained one concussion is at higher risk of suffering another than an athlete who has never sustained a concussion. It's also more likely that a second concussion will be more severe than the first, particularly if the brain hasn't fully healed yet from the first.
Where I believe I confused the discussion was when I brought up the semantics of susceptibility. What I meant to argue there is that I don't think Collie is necessarily more likely to take the kind of hit that would cause a concussion this year and he could certainly make it through the year without one. That's what I was trying to get across on the Audible -- that though the odds are somewhat against him getting through the season without one, it's certainly not a foregone conclusion that he'll take that kind of hit this year. If it was, he'd already have a decision to make, as his next concussion will raise the issue of whether he should continue to play.
At the time, I'd just had a couple of back and forths with folks who'd read Will Carroll's take on susceptibility and had it on my mind. I haven't listened to the show again, but I'm guessing I said that Collie wasn't more likely to get a concussion this year than another WR. Unfortunately, I would think that I sounded pretty certain on that statement since this is one of those discussions that I like to rant about. From a strict risk-ratio perspective, that statement is not true.
My sincere apologies for any mis-statements and confusion.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
No worries. I did scoop him up based partially on that discussion but I'd still do it after this comment too. He's $$$ when he plays..that's really all I care about anyway.
jackdubl
Footballguy
I'm a little worried, but in my 12 team keeper where lots of good guys are kept, you have to take some chances if you want to dominate. But I'm less concerned about concussions and more concerned about him not even practicing yet. The whole preseason has gone by. I know we talkin' 'bout practice, but come on! Maybe I should target Maclin in that spot instead.
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Austin Collie - WR - Colts Austin Collie (foot) participated in Colts practice Monday.
This bodes well for his chances of playing in the opener. Collie has been out since roughly August 20 with a foot injury, the extent of which was never revealed. Assuming he's active, Collie should see enough snaps to be worth using as a low-end WR3. He's just not the WR2 he would've been with Peyton Manning at QB.
Source: Tom James on Twitter Sep 5 - 8:25 PM
This bodes well for his chances of playing in the opener. Collie has been out since roughly August 20 with a foot injury, the extent of which was never revealed. Assuming he's active, Collie should see enough snaps to be worth using as a low-end WR3. He's just not the WR2 he would've been with Peyton Manning at QB.
Source: Tom James on Twitter Sep 5 - 8:25 PM
