Austin Collie (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I think the scary visual of Austin Collie being knocked unconcious and wheeled off in a stretcher is scaring people off. I think Collie is arguably the most underrated WR heading into this up coming season and quite possibly the most underrated fantasy player.

Let's revisit Collie's player history....

-In 2008 as a junior at BYU, Collie had an amazing year with 106 catches for 1538 yards and 15 tds. He was then drafted to the Colts in the 4th round.

-As a rookie with the colts he produced 60 catches for 676 yards and 7 TDs (very nice numbers for an NFL rookie WR)... Reggie Wayne as a rookie had 27 receptions for 345 yards, and even Wayne's second year 44 catches 716 yards and 4 tds was nothing spectacular.

-Last year Collie's per game numbers were amazing both as a fantasy player and as an NFL player. In 8 games he had 58 catches for 649 yards with 8 TD's. Over a 16 game season that works out to 116 catches, for 1298 yards and 16 td's.

-Collie is credited as being an extremely stand up guy and hard worker and he once served a mission for church work in Argentina. His lay it all on the line attitude was ultimately one of the reasons he was knocked out as Manning lead him into a death trap and Collie hung in there to try and make the play.

-What is most important for us fantasy players is Manning has taken a real liking to Collie's percise route running and sure handed ability. Collie has received 161 targets in the NFL and he has caught 118 of those balls He has caught 73% of the balls thrown his way. Now I know he works out of the slot but here is that how stacks up to other WR's from last year... A. Johnson 62%, R. White 64%, R. Wayne 63%, Calvin Johnson 56%, W. Welker 69%.... Welker's best year was a pro had him catching 123 balls of 162 targets for an amazing 76% percent of the balls thrown his way. Collie is very Welker esque.

-People question if there are enough balls to go around in Indy and I say yes as Collie's biggest games last year came with everyone healthy and playing meaning even with Wayne, Clark, and Garcon in the mix, Collie is able to produce elite numbers. This was/is no fluke. Wayne draws tight coverage and Garcon's speed is respected as well. Clark and Collie are huge mismatches in the slot and Manning loves finding them.

-Also with Collie having such a high catch percentage he does not need as many targets to be elite. He also is a very nice red zone target for the Colts. His 8 Td's in 8 games last year as well as 15 td's through 2 seasons shows that he will get his fair share of looks in the end zone.

Collie's injury history is a concern, but due to this scare you can get him for bargain prices with a very high ceiling. He is as underrated as they come, and if he remains healthy I am guessing at the price you can get him he may find his way onto many top fantasy teams next season.

 

[mrip541]

Shhhhhh!!!! We don't want people to catch on!

 

[flc735]

Shhhhhh!!!! We don't want people to catch on!

he is now on 6 of my 6 teams so if you want to let the cat out of the bag now, i wont opposeits crazy how undervalued he is. even after i consider his "injury risk", he's still a top 5 ppr WR for me. my redraft list is fitz, austin, aj, roddy, collie.

 

[D.J.]

I'm a collie fan but you cant ignore that another concussion has a good chance of ending his career, and no matter how healthy he is right now having more concussionsmakes you more prone to getting more concussions. Playing on the slot and bring an over the middle kind of guy makes it even more likely.

I how he stays healthy and I have him in one league and I'm not selling him, but I'm not paying alot for him either.

 

[DawnBTVS]

I'm concerned with Collie and the fact that he has already had 2 concussions. Other NFL players have retired fairly "young" as a result (lesser known names retiring around 29-33 years old due to concussion issues). Given how concussions have effected players in various leagues (see Crosby in the NHL) and how crowded the Colts receiving group is, I would rather stay away from Collie and let somebody else take the risk with him.

 

[Go deep]

I'm concerned with Collie and the fact that he has already had 2 concussions. Other NFL players have retired fairly "young" as a result (lesser known names retiring around 29-33 years old due to concussion issues). Given how concussions have effected players in various leagues (see Crosby in the NHL) and how crowded the Colts receiving group is, I would rather stay away from Collie and let somebody else take the risk with him.

This is my thinking as well. Hopefully the guy will get a chance to play football for a long time, but more importantly, i hope the guy has a fully functioning brain when he retires. Collie is a good player, but i think his talent is overrated because of a few good games last season.

 

[squistion]

Collie is the ultimate high risk/high reward player of the coming season. I owned him in four dynasty leagues coming in to this season - to mitigate the risk, I traded him in two and intend to hold him in the remaining two (although I would probably move him for the right offer).

The bottom line is, the next time he has a serious concussion, where he is down on the field for an extended period of time, that will be the end of that season for him and IMO probably the end of his career. If the team doctors don't put a stop to it at that point, the lawyers will, saying to Colts ownership/management, "Look, if this guy has dementia or brain damage issues in 20 years, this is going to come back and bite the Colts big time in the form of a lawsuit. It won't do us much good to say that he wanted to play and the doctors gave their OK - the argument will be that the team should have known better and only cared about winning games, not about his health and kept playing him for that reason."

I think Collie will continue to put the same gaudy fantasy numbers in PPR leagues like he did last year, until the next big concussion. It could happen a few games into the season or it might not happen for several years. Ideally, it never happens again and I would hope for his sake that is the outcome.

However, with his fearless style of play going over the middle, I think it is only a matter of time until a serious concussion happens again. I hope I am wrong and I have hedged my bets with him based on that, but it has almost an inevitable feel to it - reminiscent to me of Rams QB Chris Miller, who continued to play after his first two concussions, until a third concussion ended his career.

 

[Stealthycat]

with the retirement rumors and such I'd be shocked if Collie plays the 2011 season and beyond - the chances of concussions increase greatly after 1-2 dont they?

huge huge risk

 

[I was in the pool]

with the retirement rumors and such I'd be shocked if Collie plays the 2011 season and beyond - the chances of concussions increase greatly after 1-2 dont they?huge huge risk

#1 - Collie has not said he will retire or anything of that kind - he actually put to bed all the rumors a few weeks ago.#2 - There are much safer helmets to prevent concussions that are available to the players in the NFL. Why are they not wearing these? Do they smell like skunk? Maybe I am just one of the people that prefer function to style, but no matter the "design" of the helmet, if it keeps your brain from rattling around so many times during your career, why NOT wear it?

 

[Go deep]

with the retirement rumors and such I'd be shocked if Collie plays the 2011 season and beyond - the chances of concussions increase greatly after 1-2 dont they?

huge huge risk

#1 - Collie has not said he will retire or anything of that kind - he actually put to bed all the rumors a few weeks ago.#2 - There are much safer helmets to prevent concussions that are available to the players in the NFL. Why are they not wearing these? Do they smell like skunk? Maybe I am just one of the people that prefer function to style, but no matter the "design" of the helmet, if it keeps your brain from rattling around so many times during your career, why NOT wear it?

No helmet can do that. Unless they have a helmet they can put between your brain and skull.

 

[KellysHeroes]

at the end of his career they'll say Jerry Rice or Austin Colle; thats what they'll say...

Seriously, hes by far the best WR on the team... even better than the old man Wayne. If it wasn't the injury concern which I totally understand he would be in everybodies top 10.

 

[Couch Potato]

Thank you thank you thank you to those still avoiding him. I wish more of the guys in my PPR leagues were like that, but I think I've traded for him in all I'm going to get to. The rest of the Collie owners in my leagues also understand what a gold mine he is. Naysayers, please convince those owners he's too great a risk! I'd really love to own him in 100% of my PPR leagues.

 

[cobalt_27]

with the retirement rumors and such I'd be shocked if Collie plays the 2011 season and beyond - the chances of concussions increase greatly after 1-2 dont they?

huge huge risk

#1 - Collie has not said he will retire or anything of that kind - he actually put to bed all the rumors a few weeks ago.#2 - There are much safer helmets to prevent concussions that are available to the players in the NFL. Why are they not wearing these? Do they smell like skunk? Maybe I am just one of the people that prefer function to style, but no matter the "design" of the helmet, if it keeps your brain from rattling around so many times during your career, why NOT wear it?

No helmet can do that. Unless they have a helmet they can put between your brain and skull.

 

[the spanker]

What is Collie's ADP right now in 12-man PPR leagues right now? I don't understand the risk everyone is talking about. If you can get this guy say in the 6th round and draft him as your #3 WR isn't that worth the risk? There are so many WRs out that even if he's your #2 and he gets hurt, you shouldn't lose much ground in finding another good.

I mean WR is the most abundant position in FF correct?

 

[Dragon1952]

I just got him at 8.2 in a 12 team PPR dynasty start-up league.

 

[squistion]

What is Collie's ADP right now in 12-man PPR leagues right now? I don't understand the risk everyone is talking about. If you can get this guy say in the 6th round and draft him as your #3 WR isn't that worth the risk? There are so many WRs out that even if he's your #2 and he gets hurt, you shouldn't lose much ground in finding another good.

I mean WR is the most abundant position in FF correct?

Depends. If you only get one game out of him before the next concussion, I would say not. If you get 2-3 games in a redraft, you might think it worthwhile. Owning him has a living on borrowed time feel to it, and I just don't think that this is a player you can ever count on to last the season - and that will go into the mix on where you would draft him (unless you are like some who are dismissive of the concussion issue)

 

[Dez]

Collie went in the 4th round of my PPR draft tonight.

 

[munchkin]

There is a difference between under rated talent and injury risk. I think most FF players recognize the skill level of Collie while also weighing that against the risk of further injury. It's foolish, in my opinion, to ignore the injury risk. That doesn't mean you can't target him in drafts and trades but to ignore the risk and draft him as a 2007 2009 Welker would be folly.

 

[_lurker_]

Is it factually correct that he's more prone to concussions now? I can't seem to find any data one way or the other.

 

[squistion]

Is it factually correct that he's more prone to concussions now? I can't seem to find any data one way or the other.

Some experts believe that, but I can't find any links to studies that prove that. However, it has been found that "Three or more concussions is also associated with a fivefold greater chance of developing Alzheimer's disease earlier and a threefold greater chance of developing memory deficits." Wiki So, any subsequent concussion increases his likelihood of some sort of future brain/memory issues.

 

[_lurker_]

Is it factually correct that he's more prone to concussions now? I can't seem to find any data one way or the other.

Some experts believe that, but I can't find any links to studies that prove that. However, it has been found that "Three or more concussions is also associated with a fivefold greater chance of developing Alzheimer's disease earlier and a threefold greater chance of developing memory deficits." Wiki So, any subsequent concussion increases his likelihood of some sort of future brain/memory issues.

That's all that I've found too... that it hurts you badly in 10-20 years. Not to sound callous, but I think the question we're all wondering is how it really affects him over the next 3-5 years, yeah?

 

[bonesman]

I think most FF players recognize the skill level of Collie while also weighing that against the risk of further injury.

Is that why is ADP was 6th/7th round last year before there was any injury concerns?

 

[menobrown]

#2 - There are much safer helmets to prevent concussions that are available to the players in the NFL. Why are they not wearing these?

There may be some helmet technology not available to NFL players right now due to marketing rights but Collie reportedly was wearing the most advanced helmets to prevent concussions used by NFL players. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/511904-nfl-injury-report-austin-collie-was-wearing-new-tpu-material-in-his-helmetIt's been said multiple times in this thread already but I'll say it again. Collie is not under rated. As Mike Tomlin likes to say put it on tape. Collie put it on tape and was the #1 PPG PPR WR last year. Everyone knows what he can do. He's just a major risk. As was said already, a classic boom/bust players.

I think he's a great person to grab as your #3 or maybe #2 WR were you can mitigate the risk a little. I'd not want to rely on him as my #1 WR despite the fact I think that if he can stay healthy that's what he'd end up being.

 

[squistion]

Is it factually correct that he's more prone to concussions now? I can't seem to find any data one way or the other.

Some experts believe that, but I can't find any links to studies that prove that. However, it has been found that "Three or more concussions is also associated with a fivefold greater chance of developing Alzheimer's disease earlier and a threefold greater chance of developing memory deficits." Wiki So, any subsequent concussion increases his likelihood of some sort of future brain/memory issues.

That's all that I've found too... that it hurts you badly in 10-20 years. Not to sound callous, but I think the question we're all wondering is how it really affects him over the next 3-5 years, yeah?

Yes, it was a digression that doesn't affect his current redraft/dynasty value, but if he has another serious concussion, then the issue will definitely again be raised because he would (or should) at that point be seriously consider retirement (if the decision is not made for him).

 

[Go deep]

I think most FF players recognize the skill level of Collie while also weighing that against the risk of further injury.

Is that why is ADP was 6th/7th round last year before there was any injury concerns?

Yeah, im not sure why people think his only issue is concussions. While i agree its the biggest issue, its not like Collie is Andre Johnson....or even Steve Johnson.

 

[squistion]

I think most FF players recognize the skill level of Collie while also weighing that against the risk of further injury.

Is that why is ADP was 6th/7th round last year before there was any injury concerns?

Yeah, im not sure why people think his only issue is concussions. While i agree its the biggest issue, its not like Collie is Andre Johnson....or even Steve Johnson.

If so then the only other issue that comes to mind would be that last year was a fluke or that he was a flash-in-the-pan. He was a sleeper pick last year (at least for me which is why I acquired him in four leagues) similar to Stevie Johnson, although Johnson was even more under the radar - Collie had flashed some of his future talent in a few games, or at least enough for some of us to target him.He has established a good rapport with Manning and there is no doubt that will continue barring a future concussion, which seems to be IMO the only downside issue people are concerned with.

 

[Go deep]

I think most FF players recognize the skill level of Collie while also weighing that against the risk of further injury.

Is that why is ADP was 6th/7th round last year before there was any injury concerns?

Yeah, im not sure why people think his only issue is concussions. While i agree its the biggest issue, its not like Collie is Andre Johnson....or even Steve Johnson.

If so then the only other issue that comes to mind would be that last year was a fluke or that he was a flash-in-the-pan. He was a sleeper pick last year (at least for me which is why I acquired him in four leagues) similar to Stevie Johnson, although Johnson was even more under the radar - Collie had flashed some of his future talent in a few games, or at least enough for some of us to target him.He has established a good rapport with Manning and there is no doubt that will continue barring a future concussion, which seems to be IMO the only downside issue people are concerned with.

Im not saying he is a bad player, just that i think he is being overrated a bit outside of the concussions. It wasnt too long ago people were saying the same thing about Anthony Gonzalez and Pierre Garcon. His value is tied more to Peyton Manning than his talent. Not that there is anyting wrong with that, i just think it makes him more replaceable. I also think part of what makes him a favorite target of Mannings is his ability to make the tough grabs over the middle. How will the concussions affect his abilty to do that?

 

[squistion]

I think most FF players recognize the skill level of Collie while also weighing that against the risk of further injury.

Is that why is ADP was 6th/7th round last year before there was any injury concerns?

Yeah, im not sure why people think his only issue is concussions. While i agree its the biggest issue, its not like Collie is Andre Johnson....or even Steve Johnson.

If so then the only other issue that comes to mind would be that last year was a fluke or that he was a flash-in-the-pan. He was a sleeper pick last year (at least for me which is why I acquired him in four leagues) similar to Stevie Johnson, although Johnson was even more under the radar - Collie had flashed some of his future talent in a few games, or at least enough for some of us to target him.He has established a good rapport with Manning and there is no doubt that will continue barring a future concussion, which seems to be IMO the only downside issue people are concerned with.

Im not saying he is a bad player, just that i think he is being overrated a bit outside of the concussions. It wasnt too long ago people were saying the same thing about Anthony Gonzalez and Pierre Garcon. His value is tied more to Peyton Manning than his talent. Not that there is anyting wrong with that, i just think it makes him more replaceable. I also think part of what makes him a favorite target of Mannings is his ability to make the tough grabs over the middle. How will the concussions affect his abilty to do that?

It would only affect his ability to do that if he lost his nerve or made him gun shy (so to speak) or if a future concussion took him off the field as per team doctors.I think he is a complimentary player to Garcon. As far as Gonzalez is concerned I had a debate last year with EBF in a Dynasty rankings posting in which he had Gonzalez listed in his Top 50, while Collie wasn't even mentioned at all. I thought at the time that the window of opportunity had passed for Gonzalez due to his own inability to stay healthy and I didn't see him as a threat to beating out Collie for the slot position. If Collie in injured again, then Gonzalez is back in the mix, competing with Blair White (who seems better suited to replace Collie based on what I saw last year). Not meaning to hijack the thread, but I think Collie owners should acquire White (who can be had cheaply) as a handcuff, as I would expect him to step in over Gonzalez if Collie goes down.

 

[Go deep]

I think most FF players recognize the skill level of Collie while also weighing that against the risk of further injury.

Is that why is ADP was 6th/7th round last year before there was any injury concerns?

Yeah, im not sure why people think his only issue is concussions. While i agree its the biggest issue, its not like Collie is Andre Johnson....or even Steve Johnson.

If so then the only other issue that comes to mind would be that last year was a fluke or that he was a flash-in-the-pan. He was a sleeper pick last year (at least for me which is why I acquired him in four leagues) similar to Stevie Johnson, although Johnson was even more under the radar - Collie had flashed some of his future talent in a few games, or at least enough for some of us to target him.He has established a good rapport with Manning and there is no doubt that will continue barring a future concussion, which seems to be IMO the only downside issue people are concerned with.

Im not saying he is a bad player, just that i think he is being overrated a bit outside of the concussions. It wasnt too long ago people were saying the same thing about Anthony Gonzalez and Pierre Garcon. His value is tied more to Peyton Manning than his talent. Not that there is anyting wrong with that, i just think it makes him more replaceable. I also think part of what makes him a favorite target of Mannings is his ability to make the tough grabs over the middle. How will the concussions affect his abilty to do that?

It would only affect his ability to do that if he lost his nerve or made him gun shy (so to speak) or if a future concussion took him off the field as per team doctors.I think he is a complimentary player to Garcon. As far as Gonzalez is concerned I had a debate last year with EBF in a Dynasty rankings posting in which he had Gonzalez listed in his Top 50, while Collie wasn't even mentioned at all. I thought at the time that the window of opportunity had passed for Gonzalez due to his own inability to stay healthy and I didn't see him as a threat to beating out Collie for the slot position. If Collie in injured again, then Gonzalez is back in the mix, competing with Blair White (who seems better suited to replace Collie based on what I saw last year). Not meaning to hijack the thread, but I think Collie owners should acquire White (who can be had cheaply) as a handcuff, as I would expect him to step in over Gonzalez if Collie goes down.

I didnt mean that Garcon or Gonzalez will take Collies job, just that people were in a big hurry to rank them high recently and that didnt turn out well. I dont think Collie is any better of a player than those two(well, he catches a whole lot better than Garcon). My point was im going to be careful about ranking a WR based on his QB. Obviously if i knew he was going to be Mannings #1 or 2 target for the next 5 years and stay concussion free, his average talent wouldnt bother me in the least. It appears you agree with me with your suggesting that Collie owners should pick up White.

 

[squistion]

I didnt mean that Garcon or Gonzalez will take Collies job, just that people were in a big hurry to rank them high recently and that didnt turn out well. I dont think Collie is any better of a player than those two(well, he catches a whole lot better than Garcon). My point was im going to be careful about ranking a WR based on his QB. Obviously if i knew he was going to be Mannings #1 or 2 target for the next 5 years and stay concussion free, his average talent wouldnt bother me in the least. It appears you agree with me with your suggesting that Collie owners should pick up White.

Absolutely!

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Collie would be wise to train with Marvin Harrison on how to fall down after every catch.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Collie would be wise to train with Marvin Harrison on how to fall down after every catch.

Also he should job shadow Marvin about how to run a car wash when he needs another career following his next concussion... Maybe Marvin can even show him the best place to 'hide' a gun.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

he is one ducked head trying to pick up an extra yard away from being out for an extended period of time......anything that even remotely resembles him getting his head dinged will result in him missing time with the NFL's policies these days regarding concussions....practice, pre season, games etc....it is hard to not get your bell rung on occasion....he is at a greater risk of getting them now

and I don't care if you are Austin Collie, Jerry Rice, or the best WR on your flag football team....if you know that you are susceptible to concussions, your game will change and you will try to avoid getting your head dinged again....

I think at whatever point in any draft you have a shot at him, the play is to move to the next guy on your list....

I hope Collie actually makes it through preseason without getting hurt as I think it will keep White's ADP pretty low.....Blair White will be on many of my teams this year........

 

[bigunreal]

Of course, Collie is vastly underrated, primarily by his own coaching staff. What does he have to do to start at WR? He is only being pigeonholed in the slot, and compared to Wes Welker, because he's white.

For unfathomable reasons, the Colts decided to declare the wildly overrated (prior to last season) Pierre "Hands of Stone" Garcon the starting WR opposite Wayne, relegating the decidedly more talented (in every way) Collie to the slot. When Garcon was hurt, Collie was moved to his natural outside position and led the NFL in EVERY major statistical receiving category during the time he was there. Once the horrific Garcon was healthy, he was immediately reinstalled outside, and Collie moved back to the slot. How can anyone justify this kind of nonsense?

Obviously, playing out of the slot creates a lot more opportunities for someone to take the kind of hits that result in concussions. Especially at this point, the team should move Collie outside and declare him the starting WR opposite Wayne. He is, as someone noted, hands down the best WR on the team at this point. So what kind of decision making goes into putting your most talented receiver into a #3 slot role?

If you can think of a legitimate reason why he is not a starting outside WR on that team, especially after he tore up the league there at the beginning of last season, and is instead playing behind the immortal, future Hall of Famer Pierre Garcon, I'd love to hear it.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Of course, Collie is vastly underrated, primarily by his own coaching staff. What does he have to do to start at WR? He is only being pigeonholed in the slot, and compared to Wes Welker, because he's white. For unfathomable reasons, the Colts decided to declare the wildly overrated (prior to last season) Pierre "Hands of Stone" Garcon the starting WR opposite Wayne, relegating the decidedly more talented (in every way) Collie to the slot. When Garcon was hurt, Collie was moved to his natural outside position and led the NFL in EVERY major statistical receiving category during the time he was there. Once the horrific Garcon was healthy, he was immediately reinstalled outside, and Collie moved back to the slot. How can anyone justify this kind of nonsense? Obviously, playing out of the slot creates a lot more opportunities for someone to take the kind of hits that result in concussions. Especially at this point, the team should move Collie outside and declare him the starting WR opposite Wayne. He is, as someone noted, hands down the best WR on the team at this point. So what kind of decision making goes into putting your most talented receiver into a #3 slot role? If you can think of a legitimate reason why he is not a starting outside WR on that team, especially after he tore up the league there at the beginning of last season, and is instead playing behind the immortal, future Hall of Famer Pierre Garcon, I'd love to hear it.

I think the main reason for this is the Colts are/were trying to get their best recieving threats and mismatches on the field all together.The 4 best recieving threats and mismatch opportunites occured with Wayne and Garcon outside and Collie and Clark working the slots.Wayne is locked in as an outside guy. Garcon could never play the slot effectively so that lead to Collie who is great at running routes and his sure handedness as a the default guy in the slot. Also Garcon does have great speed and thus helps to spread the field.Blair White last year at times was very good, but I still think he is behind the other guys and the mismatches they can produce.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think most FF players recognize the skill level of Collie while also weighing that against the risk of further injury.

Is that why is ADP was 6th/7th round last year before there was any injury concerns?

Yeah, im not sure why people think his only issue is concussions. While i agree its the biggest issue, its not like Collie is Andre Johnson....or even Steve Johnson.

If so then the only other issue that comes to mind would be that last year was a fluke or that he was a flash-in-the-pan. He was a sleeper pick last year (at least for me which is why I acquired him in four leagues) similar to Stevie Johnson, although Johnson was even more under the radar - Collie had flashed some of his future talent in a few games, or at least enough for some of us to target him.He has established a good rapport with Manning and there is no doubt that will continue barring a future concussion, which seems to be IMO the only downside issue people are concerned with.

Im not saying he is a bad player, just that i think he is being overrated a bit outside of the concussions. It wasnt too long ago people were saying the same thing about Anthony Gonzalez and Pierre Garcon. His value is tied more to Peyton Manning than his talent. Not that there is anyting wrong with that, i just think it makes him more replaceable. I also think part of what makes him a favorite target of Mannings is his ability to make the tough grabs over the middle. How will the concussions affect his abilty to do that?

While being a Colt and playing with Manning certainly helps any player, what is it about Collie's talent that you don't like? He was highly regarded coming into the league by many experts.I'd agree that Blair White is "just a guy" that benefits from Manning, but I think Collie is an exception route runner, with exceptional hands and has a better than average size/speed combo. I'd argue he's the type that makes Manning even better. Why would they even be looking to replace him when he performed so well in just his first and second season?

I think the concussion issue is a genuine concern (at least) for Collie, but I don't think his level of talent is a hinderance by any means.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Turns out Randy Moss' value was tied to Tom Brady for that matter.

 

[squistion]

Of course, Collie is vastly underrated, primarily by his own coaching staff. What does he have to do to start at WR? He is only being pigeonholed in the slot, and compared to Wes Welker, because he's white.

For unfathomable reasons, the Colts decided to declare the wildly overrated (prior to last season) Pierre "Hands of Stone" Garcon the starting WR opposite Wayne, relegating the decidedly more talented (in every way) Collie to the slot. When Garcon was hurt, Collie was moved to his natural outside position and led the NFL in EVERY major statistical receiving category during the time he was there. Once the horrific Garcon was healthy, he was immediately reinstalled outside, and Collie moved back to the slot. How can anyone justify this kind of nonsense?

Obviously, playing out of the slot creates a lot more opportunities for someone to take the kind of hits that result in concussions. Especially at this point, the team should move Collie outside and declare him the starting WR opposite Wayne. He is, as someone noted, hands down the best WR on the team at this point. So what kind of decision making goes into putting your most talented receiver into a #3 slot role?

If you can think of a legitimate reason why he is not a starting outside WR on that team, especially after he tore up the league there at the beginning of last season, and is instead playing behind the immortal, future Hall of Famer Pierre Garcon, I'd love to hear it.

I if were to guess I would say a lack of speed, IIRC that was one of the knocks against Collie when he came into the league. Garcon was something like 4.48 in the 40, while Collie was closer to 4.60 (that is straight line speed, not game speed, but my perception is that Garcon is a lot faster).

 

[Stinkin Ref]

right now....I'm more comfortable taking Blair White where I can get him then Collie where I have to get him....bunch of high upside/fairly low risk guys that you could take instead of Collie where you would have to pull the trigger on him....and you could get White much later and IMO similiar numbers....

kind of looking at injury potential which I don't normally do, but concussions are a different animal....

Manning likes White as well....

 

[The Moz]

healthy Collie

90 rec 1050 yds 11 TD's can be had round 5 or 6.

there's risk but If healthy he is a top 10 at least PPR wr

He is Peytons go to guy if he even thinks Wayne is doubled -- he knows Collie will catch it every time and make the most

just hope he gets down and avoids hits

 

[Stinkin Ref]

healthy Collie90 rec 1050 yds 11 TD's can be had round 5 or 6. there's risk but If healthy he is a top 10 at least PPR wrHe is Peytons go to guy if he even thinks Wayne is doubled -- he knows Collie will catch it every time and make the mostjust hope he gets down and avoids hits

he'll be lucky to make it through training camp without any issues unless they put that jersey on him that says "don't touch"......have fun with that all year........pass

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

healthy Collie90 rec 1050 yds 11 TD's can be had round 5 or 6. there's risk but If healthy he is a top 10 at least PPR wrHe is Peytons go to guy if he even thinks Wayne is doubled -- he knows Collie will catch it every time and make the mostjust hope he gets down and avoids hits

he'll be lucky to make it through training camp without any issues unless they put that jersey on him that says "don't touch"......have fun with that all year........pass

How do you know how he will react to being hit? I know the risk goes up if you have had serious concussions before, but no one knows how Collie will respond to some contact at this stage.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

healthy Collie90 rec 1050 yds 11 TD's can be had round 5 or 6. there's risk but If healthy he is a top 10 at least PPR wrHe is Peytons go to guy if he even thinks Wayne is doubled -- he knows Collie will catch it every time and make the mostjust hope he gets down and avoids hits

he'll be lucky to make it through training camp without any issues unless they put that jersey on him that says "don't touch"......have fun with that all year........pass

Enough already. How many concussions did Aaron Rodgers suffer last season? Are you passing on him as well?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

healthy Collie

90 rec 1050 yds 11 TD's can be had round 5 or 6.

there's risk but If healthy he is a top 10 at least PPR wr

He is Peytons go to guy if he even thinks Wayne is doubled -- he knows Collie will catch it every time and make the most

just hope he gets down and avoids hits

he'll be lucky to make it through training camp without any issues unless they put that jersey on him that says "don't touch"......have fun with that all year........

pass

It still takes a significant hit to the head get a concussion even if you've had one before. There is certainly risk with Collie but the gross exagerations/over-reactions on this board on any/every issue cracks me up.

 

[Couch Potato]

The more guys that think/post like Stinkin Ref the happier I am. Keep hatin' boys, keep hatin'. Lower that cost for the rest of us.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The more guys that think/post like Stinkin Ref the happier I am. Keep hatin' boys, keep hatin'. Lower that cost for the rest of us.

Im not a hater at all, but 4th round in PPR re-draft seems early, Im thinking thats the high end of his ADP.

 

[Whitney26]

If Collie plays a full season (and it's a big If), I'll be surprised if he doesn't post WR1 numbers. Based on snaps played and opportunities received, he destroyed every receiver in the league last year.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

it was my understanding Collie had three concussions last year....if the NFL still looked at them like they did in the past..."rub some dirt on it and get back out there" then I wouldn't be as wary of him as I am....it has been proven that you can get them easier once you've had them...

Collie will now almost really be the poster boy in the NFL for Concussion Awareness...the NFL will lead by example, as concussions have become a huge point of emphasis in all sports all the way down into middle school with coaches having to get "concussion training" etc....as officials we have had to do the same thing....

point is, that if there is even a slight indication that anything is going on, the error will be made on the side of caution as opposed to rubbing some dirt on it....you may very well be rewarded if you take him and he stays healthy, but even a slight ding could mean missing a week here or there, let alone a solid pop that ends up being a serious concussion and he will most likely be done for the year, because at some point, people will be saying "when is enough, really enough, and are we going to wait until it's too late"....I love Collie's game, his situation, his QB, etc......but for the price you will have to pay and what that means you will be counting on him for on your fantasy team, I think the risk is too great....there will probably be several other guys you will be able to take with that pick that will put up similiar numbers and you can let somebody else roll the dice with that high of a pick on Collie....Indy has a bunch of guys that can catch the ball for them and fill a role when needed....Tamme and White proved they could step in, let alone Wayne, Garcon, Clark....

do I know the concussion history of every other player in the NFL....no I don't, but Collie's seems very high profile for some reason....will I pass on Rodgers because he had a couple last year.....maybe, maybe not....different position, etc....I just think Collie is in a tough spot and it will be hard to avoid another one playing his postion....a minor hit that might not do anything to another player, could end Collie's season and your fantasy season with the price you have to pay to draft him...

I guess I would ask this too....pretend you are Austin Collie...and you had three concussions last year....and you know you are now more susceptible to them....and everybody is going to be watching you very closely.....

do you think your game would change, do you think it would be on your mind almost every day, practice, preseason, game day....and do you think you might be a little gun shy hoping to try and avoid that hit that might end your season/career...?

when I answer it honestly...(and I want to think I would be a Gamer)....I would say yes...

 

[KCitons]

Lets look at this from another angle. Most people are posting about Collies ADP. What about people (like myself) that have Collie on a Dynasty or Contract league roster? What do you do with him? I say you have to hold and pray.

Most other owners see him as a risk, so you won't get fair trade value. Who do you see as a fair trade for Collie in a ppr dynasty/contract league?

BTW, I added Blair White in the off season, just in case.

 

[D.J.]

Lets look at this from another angle. Most people are posting about Collies ADP. What about people (like myself) that have Collie on a Dynasty or Contract league roster? What do you do with him? I say you have to hold and pray.Most other owners see him as a risk, so you won't get fair trade value. Who do you see as a fair trade for Collie in a ppr dynasty/contract league?BTW, I added Blair White in the off season, just in case.

Agreed, unless someone offers full price for him (wr1 equivelent) you can't sell him in dynasty. But I grabbed white in the league that I have collie also.The difference with collie vs rogers is that collie didn't just get concussions. He was knocked out cold twice. Scary concussions. Does that make it worse in the long run? I dont know, but it scares me and I dont think it should be ignored