Autistic teenager in Utah shot by police after mother calls for help (1 Viewer)

[the moops]

....8 likes for this BS post.  The need for the left to feel superior and belittle the other side is insatiable.  

I didn't belittle you. Unless you think someone saying that they don't think having a discussion with you unless we can agree on certain basic facts is belittling. Grow some thicker skin if so friend

 

[msommer]

I didn't belittle you. Unless you think someone saying that they don't think having a discussion with you unless we can agree on certain basic facts is belittling. Grow some thicker skin if so friend

GL, GB

 

[Summer Wheat]

At this point in time, why would anyone call the police for a domestic issue involving a mentally ill family member?

I agree. My BIL is crazy, just a loose cannon. 

Last year he got drunk and hit my wife`s sister at a party.  We handled it internally, her other two brothers and I tackled him and beat the crap out of him. The one brother said he would kill him if he ever hit his sister again.  So far he has been on his best behavior.

 

[AAABatteries]

At this point in time, why would anyone call the police for a domestic issue involving a mentally ill family member?

I can remember many years ago when my Grandmother started going through severe dementia.  She became belligerent and was a thread to herself and others.  We called the police - I'm not sure we knew what else to do.  I still wouldn't hesitate to call them in lieu of someone better to call as long as I was there to attempt to explain what was going on and my relative didn't have a weapon.

Having said that - I don't think police should be the ones handling these.  They are not adequately trained.

 

[Possum]

There are lots of serious proposals out there.  I don't think you'll see many coming from politicians because serious policy discussions of this nature don't really fit into a soundbite.  That said, a bunch of them are spread throughout some of the threads in this forum, although they tend to get glossed over pretty quickly.  Here are a couple that I remember.  For more, I'd have to do some searching.

https://medium.com/@yudkowsky/a-comprehensive-reboot-of-law-enforcement-b76bfab850a3

https://8cantwait.org/

Thanks man, much appreciated. The 8 Can't Wait site is more along the lines of what I'm talking about, though - the Medium link is just some guy unaffiliated with anyone putting out his own proposal (although I do like some of his points). I'm looking for something thats actually being promoted and/or championed through these protests for specific changes.

100% agree with you that no politicians are taking this stuff up on their own. 

 

[Stealthycat]

its situations like this that I agree police need to step back on how they respond to certain situations 

if this would have been a black 13 year old cities would have been burned last night, as it is, not much media attention on it, no protests, no violence, no riots and no looting, BLM and ANTIFA are nowhere around on this police violence. I didn't see Lebron address it or Doc Rivers or Obama

 

[RCon]

Thanks man, much appreciated. The 8 Can't Wait site is more along the lines of what I'm talking about, though - the Medium link is just some guy unaffiliated with anyone putting out his own proposal (although I do like some of his points). I'm looking for something thats actually being promoted and/or championed through these protests for specific changes.

100% agree with you that no politicians are taking this stuff up on their own. 

I don't think you'll find much promotion of specific policies in the protests.  The reality is the protests aren't centrally organized, they're just a reaction to "nothing has changed, police are still unjustly brutal, and police continue to see no consequences".

 

[Summer Wheat]

Has Joe Biden commented on this police shooting or planning to meet with the family?

 

[glock]

its situations like this that I agree police need to step back on how they respond to certain situations 

if this would have been a black 13 year old cities would have been burned last night, as it is, not much media attention on it, no protests, no violence, no riots and no looting, BLM and ANTIFA are nowhere around on this police violence. I didn't see Lebron address it or Doc Rivers or Obama

Glad you agree that police need to step back on how they respond to certain situations. Apparently most white folks get that this sort of thing happens to black folks in disproportionately larger numbers and aren't stepping up with the whataboutism inspired outrage you are seeking. 

Regular, run of the mill outrage would be fine, of course- as long as it's peaceful, amiright? :uphigh:

 

[Stealthycat]

Glad you agree that police need to step back on how they respond to certain situations. Apparently most white folks get that this sort of thing happens to black folks in disproportionately larger numbers and aren't stepping up with the whataboutism inspired outrage you are seeking. 

Regular, run of the mill outrage would be fine, of course- as long as it's peaceful, amiright? :uphigh:

its not disproportionate - its police dealing with the people who do things wrong and they do it to white, brown, black, purple, red .... skin color almost is never an issue 

that more % wise is a certain color is true - because they're committing more crimes statistically

disproportionately whites are serial killers -- that's not racist to it, its true, disproportionately blacks are more NFL and NBA players, that's true and disproportionately more whites on NHL and tennis and golf 

we live in a world of disproportionately ..........stop looking at color and treat everyone equally maybe ?

 

[Possum]

I don't think you'll find much promotion of specific policies in the protests.  The reality is the protests aren't centrally organized, they're just a reaction to "nothing has changed, police are still unjustly brutal, and police continue to see no consequences".

sorry man, been a busy day so I haven't been able to respond very quickly. I agree that there hasn't been promotion of specific policies in these protests, but BLM has a strong presence at the majority of them, so to that extent there's a central organizing body/theme. What I'm saying is that to me, the protests' inability to rally around or focus on a platform of specific points for changes and push that in the media and national consciousness for the last four months is a major missed opportunity to mobilize the unity and momentum of the initial protests and actually enact police/justice system reforms across the country with widespread public support. Instead the protests and headlines have been hijacked by violent anarchists, which is drying up a lot of previous support and leaving most voters without a coherent idea of what the movement has been trying to accomplish.

that's my (admittedly pessimistic) take watching the whole thing - without specific points for change, these protests are way less effective in the long run than they could've been.

 

[Shula-holic]

Has Joe Biden commented on this police shooting or planning to meet with the family?

its situations like this that I agree police need to step back on how they respond to certain situations 

if this would have been a black 13 year old cities would have been burned last night, as it is, not much media attention on it, no protests, no violence, no riots and no looting, BLM and ANTIFA are nowhere around on this police violence. I didn't see Lebron address it or Doc Rivers or Obama

On both fronts, perhaps if the kid had been accused of a sex crime he could get more coverage.

 

[Stealthycat]

On both fronts, perhaps if the kid had been accused of a sex crime he could get more coverage.

that's possibly true too although sex crimes are not good hot topic headline news stories :(  

 

[parasaurolophus]

On both fronts, perhaps if the kid had been accused of a sex crime he could get more coverage.

Maybe harris would be proud of him too.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

disproportionately whites are serial killers -- that's not racist to it, its true, disproportionately blacks are more NFL and NBA players, that's true and disproportionately more whites on NHL and tennis and golf 

Attributing qualities to a person or group based on skin color alone is racists.  No matter how factual the statement might be.

Now when we talk about "who is a racists" we generally assign more than just pattern matching prejudice to the discussion or else most everyone would be a "racists" such that it pretty much has no meaning.   I think its fine to add discrimination here to differentiate between natural human tendencies and people we want to frown upon.  But we should still understand that at its root racism is just pattern matching that generally serves individual humans well that we need to overcome at times to serve each other in a modern, diverse world.   Otherwise that prejudice leaves us discriminating against each other in ways that we don't even recognize.

 

[Stealthycat]

Attributing qualities to a person or group based on skin color alone is racists.  No matter how factual the statement might be.

Now when we talk about "who is a racists" we generally assign more than just pattern matching prejudice to the discussion or else most everyone would be a "racists" such that it pretty much has no meaning.   I think its fine to add discrimination here to differentiate between natural human tendencies and people we want to frown upon.  But we should still understand that at its root racism is just pattern matching that generally serves individual humans well that we need to overcome at times to serve each other in a modern, diverse world.   Otherwise that prejudice leaves us discriminating against each other in ways that we don't even recognize.

no its not racist its calling it like it is when talking statistics - whites mean are who you look for when talking serial killers, that's not racist or sexist

if a 5'8" white guy shoots up a jewelry store while robbing it, put an APB out for a 5'8" white guy - that's not racist, sexist of height discrimination its who you're looking for and if the guy has beard and tattoo's, then anyone fitting that description in the vicinity police probably need to look at - that's not anything discriminatory

now, what Biden did is racist and sexist - he came out and said in not so many words that it didn't matter how qualified you were as a man or as a white person, you were never, ever, ever, ever going to have a shot at being his VP

THAT is racist and sexist