I agree, it was a phenomenal play, both in design and execution, and it was a shame that it was wasted by a penalty. However,What a shame, not only to get hosed by a bad call, but at home too. The announcers, watching replay, could not even figure out who was holding or where there was even a hold.......... Bears still likely would have lost though, but a sweet fake!!!!!!
Why did they pull this out now though.
You do realize that Knox sprinted all the way down field, caught the ball, and then ran all the way back, right?Jeebus, Hester is so freaking fast. Almost covers the field diagonally from a standing start faster than Knox does vertically with a head start.
That was my thought, too. Now other teams have it in the back of their mind to watch for. The Bears should've saved it for a game where they were down 4, not a game where they're down 10.Why did they pull this out now though. WOuld have thought better circumstances instead of "wasting" it.Either way if was great.![]()
That and Graham admitted he did it...but some will continue to call it a bad call, phantom call or whatever.I agree, it was a phenomenal play, both in design and execution, and it was a shame that it was wasted by a penalty. However,What a shame, not only to get hosed by a bad call, but at home too. The announcers, watching replay, could not even figure out who was holding or where there was even a hold.......... Bears still likely would have lost though, but a sweet fake!!!!!!
I'm struggling to think of a better situation. At home against your arch rival. If you lose, you go down 2 games to 2 teams in the division. Offense has looked like crap. Saving it for a playoff game would be foolish, as the Bears should not be banking on the playoffs this year.That play very well could've changed the complexion of their entire season. Good time to try, imo.That was my thought, too. Now other teams have it in the back of their mind to watch for. The Bears should've saved it for a game where they were down 4, not a game where they're down 10.Why did they pull this out now though. WOuld have thought better circumstances instead of "wasting" it.Either way if was great.![]()
You do realize that Knox sprinted all the way down field, caught the ball, and then ran all the way back, right?Jeebus, Hester is so freaking fast. Almost covers the field diagonally from a standing start faster than Knox does vertically with a head start.
Excellent point.We almost forgot how Vegas actually controls the games.I'm glad there's a thread on this. It's obviously tied to gambling. Packers had a 10 point lead and it was late and the phantom call would have closed the spread to 3. Bears would have coverered. They called the penalty, which no one saw on a guy who wasn't even on the field. This is Vegas wanting Packers to cover desparately. Plain and simple.
I didn't say save it for a playoff game. I said save it for a game where that one play could be the difference between winning and losing (i.e. they're down 4 or 6 with a minute left to play).And I agree with you that this was an important game to win for the Bears. But I'd argue that the game was almost out of reach even if this play worked. In this game, if I recall, there was right around one minute left to play. Bears down 10. IF the play works and they put 7 on the board, they're still a huge longshot to win the game - they still have to get the onsides kick (not a sure thing) and the offense (which was struggling by your own admission,) has to move them into position to kick a field goal in under a minute. And then they have to get the ball in overtime and (again with the struggling offense) move the ball down to score. That's a lot of "if's" that have to happen to make this game the smart time to use that play...just my opinion....I'm struggling to think of a better situation. At home against your arch rival. If you lose, you go down 2 games to 2 teams in the division. Offense has looked like crap. Saving it for a playoff game would be foolish, as the Bears should not be banking on the playoffs this year.That play very well could've changed the complexion of their entire season. Good time to try, imo.That was my thought, too. Now other teams have it in the back of their mind to watch for. The Bears should've saved it for a game where they were down 4, not a game where they're down 10.Why did they pull this out now though. WOuld have thought better circumstances instead of "wasting" it.Either way if was great.![]()
Don't know if this is sarcasm. But for another instance, go look at Syracuse/Toledo.http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/26/no-recourse-to-reverse-outcome-of-toledo-syracuse-game/There is no way to explain this but to go look at the gambling spreads. Vegas controls things a lot more than you think.Excellent point.We almost forgot how Vegas actually controls the games.I'm glad there's a thread on this. It's obviously tied to gambling. Packers had a 10 point lead and it was late and the phantom call would have closed the spread to 3. Bears would have coverered. They called the penalty, which no one saw on a guy who wasn't even on the field. This is Vegas wanting Packers to cover desparately. Plain and simple.
Yeah, given the lack of time, I guess you're right.I didn't say save it for a playoff game. I said save it for a game where that one play could be the difference between winning and losing (i.e. they're down 4 or 6 with a minute left to play).And I agree with you that this was an important game to win for the Bears. But I'd argue that the game was almost out of reach even if this play worked. In this game, if I recall, there was right around one minute left to play. Bears down 10. IF the play works and they put 7 on the board, they're still a huge longshot to win the game - they still have to get the onsides kick (not a sure thing) and the offense (which was struggling by your own admission,) has to move them into position to kick a field goal in under a minute. And then they have to get the ball in overtime and (again with the struggling offense) move the ball down to score. That's a lot of "if's" that have to happen to make this game the smart time to use that play...just my opinion....I'm struggling to think of a better situation. At home against your arch rival. If you lose, you go down 2 games to 2 teams in the division. Offense has looked like crap. Saving it for a playoff game would be foolish, as the Bears should not be banking on the playoffs this year.That play very well could've changed the complexion of their entire season. Good time to try, imo.That was my thought, too. Now other teams have it in the back of their mind to watch for. The Bears should've saved it for a game where they were down 4, not a game where they're down 10.Why did they pull this out now though. WOuld have thought better circumstances instead of "wasting" it.Either way if was great.![]()
Well, it's certainly possible for the punter to shank the kick...But what I want to know is why the freaking punter is standing on the side that everyone is running to?!?I wonder what was going through the punter's mind. "Um, guys, the ball is on the other side of the field. Remember, we called for a directional punt? And not one of you runs toward the spot it's supposed to be?"
Yes, great point. Except for the fact that we already identified where the penalty came from and have pictures and video of it. Other than that,I'm glad there's a thread on this. It's obviously tied to gambling. Packers had a 10 point lead and it was late and the phantom call would have closed the spread to 3. Bears would have coverered. They called the penalty, which no one saw on a guy who wasn't even on the field. This is Vegas wanting Packers to cover desparately. Plain and simple.
The penalty was on #21 who was definitely on the field and who was the player in the video linked above that shows an apparent hold.I'm glad there's a thread on this. It's obviously tied to gambling. Packers had a 10 point lead and it was late and the phantom call would have closed the spread to 3. Bears would have coverered. They called the penalty, which no one saw on a guy who wasn't even on the field. This is Vegas wanting Packers to cover desparately. Plain and simple.
Error, please see post #4.They called a hold on 21, but it was really 35. You can see this near Hester on his fake.
I'm glad there's a thread on this. It's obviously tied to gambling. Packers had a 10 point lead and it was late and the phantom call would have closed the spread to 3. Bears would have coverered. They called the penalty, which no one saw on a guy who wasn't even on the field. This is Vegas wanting Packers to cover desparately. Plain and simple.
Yeah, possibly good call there; hard to make it out but it looks like Graham 21 is pulling down on teh jersey or pads.Still, great play, wonder why teams don't try more of this misdirection stuff.I agree, it was a phenomenal play, both in design and execution, and it was a shame that it was wasted by a penalty. However,What a shame, not only to get hosed by a bad call, but at home too. The announcers, watching replay, could not even figure out who was holding or where there was even a hold.......... Bears still likely would have lost though, but a sweet fake!!!!!!
yeah.....when the ref threw that flag for the infraction (that happened almost immediately after the snap)......he just KNEW the Bears were going to take it back to the hizzy.....I'm glad there's a thread on this. It's obviously tied to gambling. Packers had a 10 point lead and it was late and the phantom call would have closed the spread to 3. Bears would have coverered. They called the penalty, which no one saw on a guy who wasn't even on the field. This is Vegas wanting Packers to cover desparately. Plain and simple.
thanks, but 35 held also...'Reepicheep said:Error, please see post #4.'Getzlaf15 said:They called a hold on 21, but it was really 35. You can see this near Hester on his fake.
The line movement suggests this outcome wasn't in the bookmakers' favor, as it moved from 3.5 to 4.5/5 last week due to all the money pouring in on the Packers.Don't know if this is sarcasm. But for another instance, go look at Syracuse/Toledo.http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/26/no-recourse-to-reverse-outcome-of-toledo-syracuse-game/There is no way to explain this but to go look at the gambling spreads. Vegas controls things a lot more than you think.Excellent point.We almost forgot how Vegas actually controls the games.I'm glad there's a thread on this. It's obviously tied to gambling. Packers had a 10 point lead and it was late and the phantom call would have closed the spread to 3. Bears would have coverered. They called the penalty, which no one saw on a guy who wasn't even on the field. This is Vegas wanting Packers to cover desparately. Plain and simple.
you could look at it differently and figure that the bears can get a little pressure off hester in the punt return game going forward by giving teams something else to think about. If guys are looking up at the ball that gives the return team a big advantage. The bears special teams are so good, any little edge or insecurity could be enough in itself to break more plays.Yeah, given the lack of time, I guess you're right.I didn't say save it for a playoff game. I said save it for a game where that one play could be the difference between winning and losing (i.e. they're down 4 or 6 with a minute left to play).And I agree with you that this was an important game to win for the Bears. But I'd argue that the game was almost out of reach even if this play worked. In this game, if I recall, there was right around one minute left to play. Bears down 10. IF the play works and they put 7 on the board, they're still a huge longshot to win the game - they still have to get the onsides kick (not a sure thing) and the offense (which was struggling by your own admission,) has to move them into position to kick a field goal in under a minute. And then they have to get the ball in overtime and (again with the struggling offense) move the ball down to score. That's a lot of "if's" that have to happen to make this game the smart time to use that play...just my opinion....I'm struggling to think of a better situation. At home against your arch rival. If you lose, you go down 2 games to 2 teams in the division. Offense has looked like crap. Saving it for a playoff game would be foolish, as the Bears should not be banking on the playoffs this year.That play very well could've changed the complexion of their entire season. Good time to try, imo.That was my thought, too. Now other teams have it in the back of their mind to watch for. The Bears should've saved it for a game where they were down 4, not a game where they're down 10.Why did they pull this out now though. WOuld have thought better circumstances instead of "wasting" it.Either way if was great.![]()
Nope, completely missed that. Had to watch it twice more after you mentioned it to catch where he comes from. Makes sense, I knew Knox timed blazing fast at the combine. Thanks for pointing that out, I'm even more impressed by that play now.You do realize that Knox sprinted all the way down field, caught the ball, and then ran all the way back, right?Jeebus, Hester is so freaking fast. Almost covers the field diagonally from a standing start faster than Knox does vertically with a head start.