Just a rant. I drafted Austin and Nicks. we only need 2 WRs even though we can start 3 with the flex. So when I traded for Marshall early in the season I traded away Nicks since, he was only gonna be my bye week fill in. fast forward 5 weeks...what a buffoon I am. I have no business playing this game. What wold ever make me think Miami could put out a top tier WR, and having Austin on top of it is like getting kicked where no man should be kicked. To think I could have picked up Steve Johnson weeks ago. I started Wells, Austin and Marshall......I traded BJax and Nicks weeks ago......feel my pain, misery love company
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
They were EXPECTED to be elite. They're not actually elite.
Clifford
Footballguy
You completely lost me right there. You trade away Nicks you deserve what you get. You knew full well that the Giants are a better team than the Dolphins, that Henne is a major downgrade from Eli, and you had every staff member on this site screaming that Nicks was THE breakout WR candidate. You trade current production for name value, that's what you get. Name value.If it makes you feel any better I was just rejected in Dynasty offering Turner for Marshall, so his name value is still pretty good.
Art_VanDalay
Footballguy
Not sure what to say about Austin except that his whole team has quit. I would like to see this thread turn into what is wrong with Marshall? I have had him all season and basically he is the missing ingredient in my lineup each week that has essentially now cost me the season. It would be one thing if he wasn't blowing up but he has been steadily putting up waiver wire numbers all season save two games. Everyone says there is nothing wrong and he looks fine but between getting double/triple teamed, lack of offensive imagination, Henne growing pains, lack of a running game he is essentially useless. In FF I always learned that talent rises to the top and there is no question he is an uber talent. I can't see him finishing with a couple of TDs on the season but that is what it is looking like. He just can't get open and beat doubles like other elite receivers can. I thought the Baltimore secondary could be beat this week so told myself this was his last week starting for me since I have been so afraid of benching him and seeing him finally break through. I have Tampa Mike waiting in the wings and kept thinking he was going to cool off but he is so much more active than Marshall downfield it isn't even close. So do any of you guys have your own opinions on why Marshall has been so bad? Elite is one thing but he isn't even playing like a #2 WR this year.
az_prof
Footballguy
Obviously, you will get different opinions depending on whether you are in PPR or TD format. He has been very consistent in terms of receptions, but Henne really isn't capable of getting him the ball deep in double coverage. The team has not been very creative about designing plays to take advantage of his size in the end zone. I doubt these will change. I don't think Henne is going to improve and I doubt the coaching staff gets creative in their passing game. So, I would expect Marshall's production to be similar, with the possibility that he scores a few more times just based on probability and luck. I disagree that he hasn't been good; he certainly hasn't hurt my team and has had two weeks where he really helped me dominate. But if you are unhappy then I would make changes because this season at least things are unlikely to change in a major way.
the biggest problem with high end WRs is that they are held hostage by poor QB play (IE: Larry Fitz) the rub is high end WRs with great QBs also tend to not quite achieve mostly because high end QBs spread the ball around (IE: Brady/Moss -before trade, Manning/Wayne, Rodgers/Jennings, etc..) What you really need to find is WRs who have slightly mediocre QBs who like safety nets or are willing to lock in on elite talents WRs (IE: e.Manning/Nicks, Ryan/Roddy, Romo/Austin) ... hopefully you got a lot for Nicks because that seems like an odd trade.
Shutout
Footballguy
I dunno. Haven't looked at the numbers but it sounds like a candidate for the "tossing spaghetti against the wall" scenario, whereas a player's numbers are inflated because the team simply just keeps tossing the ball out there and seeing how much sticks.
So, Marshall in Denver=tons of targets/catches
Lloyd/Gaffney in Denver=tons of targets/catches
Marshall in Miami=not so many
Correlation there?
<insert Receiver here> on a team that is not an elite passing team but still gets lots of receptions...Boldin, Smith, Bowe, etc...A good margin of success there.
Conclusion: Maybe Marshall simply was overrated based on where he was playing and those situaitons. Can't really blame the system because the guys like Boldin and others are still having good outings despite being on similarly running-based teams.
Recommendation: Sell Marshall.
So, Marshall in Denver=tons of targets/catches
Lloyd/Gaffney in Denver=tons of targets/catches
Marshall in Miami=not so many
Correlation there?
<insert Receiver here> on a team that is not an elite passing team but still gets lots of receptions...Boldin, Smith, Bowe, etc...A good margin of success there.
Conclusion: Maybe Marshall simply was overrated based on where he was playing and those situaitons. Can't really blame the system because the guys like Boldin and others are still having good outings despite being on similarly running-based teams.
Recommendation: Sell Marshall.
delusional
Footballguy
as boldin puts up 2 catches for 28yds yesterday...
footballnerd
Footballguy
Austin lost his QB, what can you say.....
Marshall had questions coming in, new QB in a run oriented offense. Was going to take some time for him to produce.
Marshall had questions coming in, new QB in a run oriented offense. Was going to take some time for him to produce.
Marshall has been hurt by more targets to an emerging Davone Bess and LOTS of attention from opposing defenses. Marshall thinks he can still routinely beat double teams and close coverage in the red zone, but the Henne is not giving him the chance to show it.
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Voodoo Rage
Footballguy
This has been a really tough year finding "dependable" fantasy performers that don't absolutely kill you on the "off weeks".
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
Austin had some horrible games even with Romo healthy (Texans and Vikings) and I think he's boom or bust no matter who is the QB. Of course losing a good QB doesn't help, but he's not a consistent player.
Clifford
Footballguy
If you haven't had stars in your eyes for names like Marshall, Fitz, and a few others, it's been a good year for WRs. I've gotten great production off the WW with guys like BMW, Steve Johnson, and SA in SD. Meanwhile lower tier guys like Harvin, Boldin, and Dez Bryant have emerged as elite options.
Inspiration
Footballguy
Targets per game:2007 (DEN): 10.62008 (DEN): 12.12009 (DEN): 10.32010 (MIA): 10.9Receptions per game: 2007 (DEN): 6.42008 (DEN): 6.92009 (DEN): 6.72010 (MIA): 6.5Yards per game: 2007 (DEN): 82.82008 (DEN): 84.32009 (DEN): 74.72010 (MIA): 77.3Brandon Marshall is fine. The TDs are down this season and that absolutely has hurt his production up to this point. However, it has been pointed out numerous times that there is a large amount of variability in TD production. It is probably incorrect to assume that 1 TD per 8 games games is his expected rate moving forward.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Whats wrong with Miles? Yeah hes been inconsistant but hes got friggin jon kitna as his qb. That said hes #7 in my league in scoring. Inconsistant but elite over the entire season.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
That statement MIGHT apply to Austin.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Austins doing better than MarshallThat statement MIGHT apply to Austin.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I meant this from a fantasy football perspective. Real life they're both uberstuds.That statement MIGHT apply to Austin.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
In all my leagues Austin has less than a 3 point lead on Marshall. That's hardly doing better. That's doing the same. Austin has only put up 1 stud season. Marshall has 3 or 4 under his belt.Austins doing better than Marshall
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Seems like its doing better to me. Has more yards and more TDs.In all my leagues Austin has less than a 3 point lead on Marshall. That's hardly doing better. That's doing the same. Austin has only put up 1 stud season. Marshall has 3 or 4 under his belt.Austins doing better than Marshall
Thanks Mr. Obvious. I think I made it clear at the time I thought I had 3 outstanding WRs,(wrong) so I traded one. Dont ask for who
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Austin was missing with Romo
Those averages are skewed by two huge games early on from Marshall. He isn't being targeted like a #1 now, even though defenses are clearly treating him like one. He is trending in the wrong direction.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Really? He was the third highest scoring wr in the leagues im in with romo under center.
Inspiration
Footballguy
His 2009 numbers were "skewed" by his 21 catch, 200 yard game and his 2008 numbers were "skewed" by 166 yard and 155 yard efforts in his first two games of the season. Every player has high and low points in their production over the course of a 16 game season.
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I'm about ready to bail on Austin. I've got Bowe and Tampa Mike on my bench behind him, and one or both of them outscore him consistently. I keep austin in the lineup because I know he's gonna break out as soon as I bench him...Between his near goose-egg this week, the uncertainty related to Wade's firing (I don't expect much to change offensively) and the fact that the Boys are going to get the snot kicked out of them by the G-men, I think this is the week Austin rides the pine.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
This is about FF. Less than 3 pts, again, is hardly doing better.Seems like its doing better to me. Has more yards and more TDs.In all my leagues Austin has less than a 3 point lead on Marshall. That's hardly doing better. That's doing the same. Austin has only put up 1 stud season. Marshall has 3 or 4 under his belt.Austins doing better than MarshallThat statement MIGHT apply to Austin.
the spanker
Footballguy
Well if you play in PPR, then you have to know the Cowboys will be throwing all day just about every game.Just saying....
timschochet
Footballguy
If fantasy football were limited to wide receivers, it would be 100% luck, rather than 50% or whatever it is. There is no way whatsoever to predict success for WRs.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
And you are a moron. Austin's problem is Kitna and the o-line.Marshall's problem is Henne. Austin was on his way to being top 5 before Romo went out.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Miles Austin will be a top 5 WR from here on out. I would bet on it. It isn't like the defense in Dallas is all the sudden going to follow the yellow brick road and ask the wizard for a heart, so the offense will be throwing all over the field. I would bet they average 25 points.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Wat. I think you should stick to FFA threads.
the spanker
Footballguy
Man I hope so. I paid to get Austin low in a trade blast it after Romo went down and it hasn't been close to paying off.
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