Bad calls by the REAL Refs today? (1 Viewer)

[Houston turmOiler]

He had poss. Play is dead once they have poss.

He was falling into the endzone and trying to throw it back to be downed. It was a crappy interpretation of the rule. All that was missing was Mike Carey.

 

[Jack White]

He had poss. Play is dead once they have poss.

He was falling into the endzone and trying to throw it back to be downed. It was a crappy interpretation of the rule. All that was missing was Mike Carey.

Terrible call. If he had fallen into the end zone after he "possessed" the ball -- instead of getting rid of it -- they would have called it a touchback.

 

[mnmplayer]

Well usually the guy doesn't have poss he is diving in and hitting or ripping it backwards without ever having poss. In thin case he grabbed ahold of ball clutches it back to lateral it backwards with two hands clutching it. Usually the guy barely has a finger tip on it and even more rare is it challenged in slow mo. It was a strange sequence of events but correct call imo.

 

[biju]

Well usually the guy doesn't have poss he is diving in and hitting or ripping it backwards without ever having poss. In thin case he grabbed ahold of ball clutches it back to lateral it backwards with two hands clutching it. Usually the guy barely has a finger tip on it and even more rare is it challenged in slow mo. It was a strange sequence of events but correct call imo.

I think what you're looking for is that this is a very exact interpretation of the rules, but in a way that never gets called like this. It is in a way very similar to the tuck rule when it was first rolled out to save Brady (but obviously had less consequence). I think going forward you'll see Blandino tell crews the player needs to establish they aren't about to go into the endzone (complete the possession, similar to completing the catch) in order to avoid this.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Jerome Boger is one of the worst refs in the league. I think he's got a Mike Carey future in instant replay broadcasting.

 

[Jack White]

Jerome Boger is one of the worst refs in the league. I think he's got a Mike Carey future in instant replay broadcasting.

Yeah, he's terrible.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Jerome Boger is one of the worst refs in the league. I think he's got a Mike Carey future in instant replay broadcasting.

Yeah, he's terrible.

I've always hated Boger. I think Tripplette is the worst, but it would be an interesting discussion to see who people hate most-or perhaps even a decent thread itself

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Johnny Manziel Botches Snap, Fumbles, Bills Recover For TD, Ruled IncompleteAfter leading the Cleveland Browns to a touchdown on his first drive, Johnny Manziel’s second drive didn’t go so well. Safe to say that this won’t go on his highlight reel.

Somehow the refs ruled the play an incompletion.

http://www.diehardsport.com/nfl/johnny-manziel-botches-snap-fumbles-bills-recover-td/

 

[iamkoza]

i wouldnt want to be a guy who missed the playoffs because of the 45 yard julio jones catch that clearly wasn't (and that bruce arians didnt challenge)

 

[Devine Intervention]

With the extreme amount of calls on the defense and holding/interference and the refs having eyes on the wrs so much, how is it that Gronk gets away with a push off on like 70% of his routes??

Watch the film, Gronk runs at the LB or DB, initiates contact and then extends his arm to create seperation. At that point the ball gets thrown and hes wide open. Clear push off. And the craziest thing is that if a DB stands his ground and stays with Gronk after he makes contact they throw a flag on the DB.

Am I missing something or is that not pass interference?

 

[Sabertooth]

I came in here to post this very thing. Gronk does a full arm extension pushoff and then doesn't get called. Yet when Edelman runs straight into a DB who is planted, that DB gets illegal contact. Refs tried to give that game away

 

[parrot]

I came in here to post this very thing. Gronk does a full arm extension pushoff and then doesn't get called. Yet when Edelman runs straight into a DB who is planted, that DB gets illegal contact. Refs tried to give that game away

Yeah, that's why they called a ticky-tack illegal contact on Browner that bailed the Packers out of a series-ending sack.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I came in here to post this very thing. Gronk does a full arm extension pushoff and then doesn't get called. Yet when Edelman runs straight into a DB who is planted, that DB gets illegal contact. Refs tried to give that game away

Funny you mention that, while watching that yesterday I had to laugh thinking of Graham's more than fairly putting his hand on Parrish Cox (or whoever on the 9ers) on his game winning catch vs SF that got called back.

 

[Godsbrother]

The Saints got a do over on a crappy punt because the officials said they weren't in position. The difference was 20 yards in field position.

I'm not saying it would have made any difference in the outcome of the game but it is pretty bad when the officials place the ball, the ball is snapped and the play is completed and the officials make them do it over cause they weren't in position to properly officiate the play.

Embarrassing.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I've seen criticism of the ruling that the Manziel fumble was an incompletion.

I just got around to watching it. That was a textbook application of the tuck rule: incomplete. I've always hated that rule. I think it's stupid. But that's the rule. When the QB's arm starts to go forward, and the ball pops out before he tucks it back in, it's an incompletion even if the arm is no longer going forward when the ball pops out.

Stupid rule correctly applied.

 

[Neofight]

I've seen criticism of the ruling that the Manziel fumble was an incompletion.

I just got around to watching it. That was a textbook application of the tuck rule: incomplete. I've always hated that rule. I think it's stupid. But that's the rule. When the QB's arm starts to go forward, and the ball pops out before he tucks it back in, it's an incompletion even if the arm is no longer going forward when the ball pops out.

Stupid rule correctly applied.

It seems to me he had problems tucking the ball because he was simultaneously hit by 300+ pounds of white meat named Kyle Williams. How does this crappy rule account for that?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't think it matters why he didn't tuck it. What matters is just that he didn't tuck it.

 

[zftcg]

Didn't the NFL amend the Tuck Rule after the Brady game?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Saints got a do over on a crappy punt because the officials said they weren't in position. The difference was 20 yards in field position.

I'm not saying it would have made any difference in the outcome of the game but it is pretty bad when the officials place the ball, the ball is snapped and the play is completed and the officials make them do it over cause they weren't in position to properly officiate the play.

Embarrassing.

What got me about that play was that the back ref gave the go ahead for the play to start by winding his arm, starting the clock and authorizing the snap.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I've seen criticism of the ruling that the Manziel fumble was an incompletion.

I just got around to watching it. That was a textbook application of the tuck rule: incomplete. I've always hated that rule. I think it's stupid. But that's the rule. When the QB's arm starts to go forward, and the ball pops out before he tucks it back in, it's an incompletion even if the arm is no longer going forward when the ball pops out.

Stupid rule correctly applied.

Didn't the NFL amend the Tuck Rule after the Brady game?

Thank you, yes, that's what I thought.

Tuck rule gone, helmet rule approvedPHOENIX -- NFL owners went into a speed voting mode before concluding their winter meeting in Phoenix on Wednesday, voting to eliminate the tuck rule, penalize crown of the helmet hits by players who are outside of the tackle box or at least three yards downfield and change the replay challenge rule so that a bad coaches' challenge doesn't prevent officials from reviewing the play.

The tuck rule change had only one dissenting vote, the Pittsburgh Steelers. The New England Patriots and Washington Redskins abstained, but the remaining 29 teams, including the Oakland Raiders, voted to end the rule, a call that cost the Raiders a chance to go to the Super Bowl in 2001.

Tom Brady was the famous beneficiary of the rule in that 2001 playoff game between the Patriots and the Raiders. A ball that appeared to be a Brady fumble was ruled an incomplete pass, and the Patriots went on to win the game.

Now, if a quarterback starts to bring the football back toward his body while trying to throw, it will be ruled a fumble instead of an incomplete pass.

"We didn't think it was necessary to make that change," Steelers president Art Rooney said. "We were happy with the way it's been called."

The Raiders celebrated the tuck rule's demise with a three-word tweet: "Adios, Tuck Rule." ...

 

[Neofight]

I've seen criticism of the ruling that the Manziel fumble was an incompletion.

I just got around to watching it. That was a textbook application of the tuck rule: incomplete. I've always hated that rule. I think it's stupid. But that's the rule. When the QB's arm starts to go forward, and the ball pops out before he tucks it back in, it's an incompletion even if the arm is no longer going forward when the ball pops out.

Stupid rule correctly applied.

Didn't the NFL amend the Tuck Rule after the Brady game?

Thank you, yes, that's what I thought.

Tuck rule gone, helmet rule approvedPHOENIX -- NFL owners went into a speed voting mode before concluding their winter meeting in Phoenix on Wednesday, voting to eliminate the tuck rule, penalize crown of the helmet hits by players who are outside of the tackle box or at least three yards downfield and change the replay challenge rule so that a bad coaches' challenge doesn't prevent officials from reviewing the play.

The tuck rule change had only one dissenting vote, the Pittsburgh Steelers. The New England Patriots and Washington Redskins abstained, but the remaining 29 teams, including the Oakland Raiders, voted to end the rule, a call that cost the Raiders a chance to go to the Super Bowl in 2001.

Tom Brady was the famous beneficiary of the rule in that 2001 playoff game between the Patriots and the Raiders. A ball that appeared to be a Brady fumble was ruled an incomplete pass, and the Patriots went on to win the game.

Now, if a quarterback starts to bring the football back toward his body while trying to throw, it will be ruled a fumble instead of an incomplete pass.

"We didn't think it was necessary to make that change," Steelers president Art Rooney said. "We were happy with the way it's been called."

The Raiders celebrated the tuck rule's demise with a three-word tweet: "Adios, Tuck Rule." ...

Basically they were wrong on top of wrong.

 

[BRONG]

Haven't read the thread but have the two PI calls in the end zone in the Baltimore game been mentioned. Not once, but twice, the ball was incorrectly spotted on those calls (at the 6 on the first one and at the 3 on the second). While the Ravens did get in on the second, they did not on that first one, costing them a likely TD, and 4 points. And the game, really.

How do they get that wrong TWICE???

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Thank you, yes, that's what I thought.

Good. Thanks.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Haven't read the thread but have the two PI calls in the end zone in the Baltimore game been mentioned. Not once, but twice, the ball was incorrectly spotted on those calls (at the 6 on the first one and at the 3 on the second). While the Ravens did get in on the second, they did not on that first one, costing them a likely TD, and 4 points. And the game, really.

How do they get that wrong TWICE???

The first one was correct. They called the contact at the 6, not the contact in the end zone, which was marginal.

 

[packer_junkie]

I came in here to post this very thing. Gronk does a full arm extension pushoff and then doesn't get called. Yet when Edelman runs straight into a DB who is planted, that DB gets illegal contact. Refs tried to give that game away

Yeah, that's why they called a ticky-tack illegal contact on Browner that bailed the Packers out of a series-ending sack.

Ticky tack when he smoked the WR in the head? Yea they've been calling that all year. Adams pushed off big time on on 3rd down completion that didn't get called however sometime in the 2nd half, I don't remember when. I think it was the drive before edelman plowed over williams and got the call somehow??

 

[BRONG]

Haven't read the thread but have the two PI calls in the end zone in the Baltimore game been mentioned. Not once, but twice, the ball was incorrectly spotted on those calls (at the 6 on the first one and at the 3 on the second). While the Ravens did get in on the second, they did not on that first one, costing them a likely TD, and 4 points. And the game, really.

How do they get that wrong TWICE???

The first one was correct. They called the contact at the 6, not the contact in the end zone, which was marginal.

Excuse me? There were two penalties on that play. The PI in the end zone should have been the one that was enforced.

And lol @ saying it was marginal. It was not in the least bit marginal. Dan Fouts was appalled. Mike Carey the Clown sided with the refs (duh), and Fouts immediately called him out, it was great.

 

[flapgreen]

Instant replay is useless now

 

[GroveDiesel]

I've seen criticism of the ruling that the Manziel fumble was an incompletion.

I just got around to watching it. That was a textbook application of the tuck rule: incomplete. I've always hated that rule. I think it's stupid. But that's the rule. When the QB's arm starts to go forward, and the ball pops out before he tucks it back in, it's an incompletion even if the arm is no longer going forward when the ball pops out.

Stupid rule correctly applied.

Didn't the NFL amend the Tuck Rule after the Brady game?

Thank you, yes, that's what I thought.

Tuck rule gone, helmet rule approved

PHOENIX -- NFL owners went into a speed voting mode before concluding their winter meeting in Phoenix on Wednesday, voting to eliminate the tuck rule, penalize crown of the helmet hits by players who are outside of the tackle box or at least three yards downfield and change the replay challenge rule so that a bad coaches' challenge doesn't prevent officials from reviewing the play.

The tuck rule change had only one dissenting vote, the Pittsburgh Steelers. The New England Patriots and Washington Redskins abstained, but the remaining 29 teams, including the Oakland Raiders, voted to end the rule, a call that cost the Raiders a chance to go to the Super Bowl in 2001.

Tom Brady was the famous beneficiary of the rule in that 2001 playoff game between the Patriots and the Raiders. A ball that appeared to be a Brady fumble was ruled an incomplete pass, and the Patriots went on to win the game.

Now, if a quarterback starts to bring the football back toward his body while trying to throw, it will be ruled a fumble instead of an incomplete pass.

"We didn't think it was necessary to make that change," Steelers president Art Rooney said. "We were happy with the way it's been called."

The Raiders celebrated the tuck rule's demise with a three-word tweet: "Adios, Tuck Rule." ...

Basically they were wrong on top of wrong.

I've seen criticism of the ruling that the Manziel fumble was an incompletion.

I just got around to watching it. That was a textbook application of the tuck rule: incomplete. I've always hated that rule. I think it's stupid. But that's the rule. When the QB's arm starts to go forward, and the ball pops out before he tucks it back in, it's an incompletion even if the arm is no longer going forward when the ball pops out.

Stupid rule correctly applied.

Didn't the NFL amend the Tuck Rule after the Brady game?

Thank you, yes, that's what I thought.

Tuck rule gone, helmet rule approved

PHOENIX -- NFL owners went into a speed voting mode before concluding their winter meeting in Phoenix on Wednesday, voting to eliminate the tuck rule, penalize crown of the helmet hits by players who are outside of the tackle box or at least three yards downfield and change the replay challenge rule so that a bad coaches' challenge doesn't prevent officials from reviewing the play.

The tuck rule change had only one dissenting vote, the Pittsburgh Steelers. The New England Patriots and Washington Redskins abstained, but the remaining 29 teams, including the Oakland Raiders, voted to end the rule, a call that cost the Raiders a chance to go to the Super Bowl in 2001.

Tom Brady was the famous beneficiary of the rule in that 2001 playoff game between the Patriots and the Raiders. A ball that appeared to be a Brady fumble was ruled an incomplete pass, and the Patriots went on to win the game.

Now, if a quarterback starts to bring the football back toward his body while trying to throw, it will be ruled a fumble instead of an incomplete pass.

"We didn't think it was necessary to make that change," Steelers president Art Rooney said. "We were happy with the way it's been called."

The Raiders celebrated the tuck rule's demise with a three-word tweet: "Adios, Tuck Rule." ...

Basically they were wrong on top of wrong.

Hey, at least the Bills will get an apology in the mail from the league this week. So there's that.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Haven't read the thread but have the two PI calls in the end zone in the Baltimore game been mentioned. Not once, but twice, the ball was incorrectly spotted on those calls (at the 6 on the first one and at the 3 on the second). While the Ravens did get in on the second, they did not on that first one, costing them a likely TD, and 4 points. And the game, really.

How do they get that wrong TWICE???

The first one was correct. They called the contact at the 6, not the contact in the end zone, which was marginal.

Excuse me? There were two penalties on that play. The PI in the end zone should have been the one that was enforced.

And lol @ saying it was marginal. It was not in the least bit marginal. Dan Fouts was appalled. Mike Carey the Clown sided with the refs (duh), and Fouts immediately called him out, it was great.

I was watching when it happened and I was shocked by Fouts' reaction. Then, I remembered it was coming from Fouts. I actually think he might be a bigger moron than Carey.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Instant replay is useless now

I know they get assistance from the office in New York but if they want to have consistency in the calls then NY should be making the call 100% of the time on every review and just tell the ref when he puts on the headset.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Instant replay is useless now

I know they get assistance from the office in New York but if they want to have consistency in the calls then NY should be making the call 100% of the time on every review and just tell the ref when he puts on the headset.

100% agreed. Not sure why they haven't done this yet when other leagues have. There aren't so many calls as to make it difficult.

Also, ref grades should be public .

 

[BRONG]

Haven't read the thread but have the two PI calls in the end zone in the Baltimore game been mentioned. Not once, but twice, the ball was incorrectly spotted on those calls (at the 6 on the first one and at the 3 on the second). While the Ravens did get in on the second, they did not on that first one, costing them a likely TD, and 4 points. And the game, really.

How do they get that wrong TWICE???

The first one was correct. They called the contact at the 6, not the contact in the end zone, which was marginal.

Excuse me? There were two penalties on that play. The PI in the end zone should have been the one that was enforced.

And lol @ saying it was marginal. It was not in the least bit marginal. Dan Fouts was appalled. Mike Carey the Clown sided with the refs (duh), and Fouts immediately called him out, it was great.

I was watching when it happened and I was shocked by Fouts' reaction. Then, I remembered it was coming from Fouts. I actually think he might be a bigger moron than Carey.

Yeah, Fouts, a Chargers great, called it like he saw it (against the Chargers). We can pull up the video if you like. First, what did you see?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Buffalo Bills Fans Look for Clarification on Incomplete Pass RulingIn the fourth quarter of the Buffalo Bills game against the Cleveland Browns, an apparent fumble by Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel was recovered in the end zone, resulting in a touchdown for the Bills.

However as the play was reviewed, as all scoring plays are, the referees determined that the result of the play was an incomplete pass, which negates the fumble and the touchdown.

According to CBS analyst and former NFL referee Mike Carey, the ruling on the field should have been a fumble and a touchdown.

Another former referee Mike Pereira tweeted that the play was called correctly and that the play was an incomplete pass.

In 2013 the NFL eliminated the tuck rule that stated that if in the process of tucking the ball back after attempting to pass the ball comes loose, the result was an incomplete pass. The rule today states the following:

"Rule 3, Section 22, Article 4, Item 2: If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his
http://www.sportsmedia101.com/buffa...for-clarification-on-incomplete-pass-ruling/#body
,
or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a
fumble
."
Given how the rule reads, the officials must have seen that defensive tackle Kyle Williams had pushed Manziel's arm back, resulting in the ball coming loose.

From any angle that appeared on television, it appeared that Manziel had moved the ball backwards on his own.

The only way that the play could have been reversed is if the referees had seen indisputable proof that the ball hadn't been fumbled.

The referees must have seen that proof in the booth, as the play resulted in an incomplete pass and the touchdown was erased.

http://www.sportsmedia101.com/buffalobills/2014/12/02/buffalo-bills-fans-look-for-clarification-on-incomplete-pass-ruling/

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Haven't read the thread but have the two PI calls in the end zone in the Baltimore game been mentioned. Not once, but twice, the ball was incorrectly spotted on those calls (at the 6 on the first one and at the 3 on the second). While the Ravens did get in on the second, they did not on that first one, costing them a likely TD, and 4 points. And the game, really.

How do they get that wrong TWICE???

The first one was correct. They called the contact at the 6, not the contact in the end zone, which was marginal.

Excuse me? There were two penalties on that play. The PI in the end zone should have been the one that was enforced.

And lol @ saying it was marginal. It was not in the least bit marginal. Dan Fouts was appalled. Mike Carey the Clown sided with the refs (duh), and Fouts immediately called him out, it was great.

Nope, Fouts was the moron there.

 

[BRONG]

Haven't read the thread but have the two PI calls in the end zone in the Baltimore game been mentioned. Not once, but twice, the ball was incorrectly spotted on those calls (at the 6 on the first one and at the 3 on the second). While the Ravens did get in on the second, they did not on that first one, costing them a likely TD, and 4 points. And the game, really.

How do they get that wrong TWICE???

The first one was correct. They called the contact at the 6, not the contact in the end zone, which was marginal.

Excuse me? There were two penalties on that play. The PI in the end zone should have been the one that was enforced.

And lol @ saying it was marginal. It was not in the least bit marginal. Dan Fouts was appalled. Mike Carey the Clown sided with the refs (duh), and Fouts immediately called him out, it was great.

Nope, Fouts was the moron there.

Okay, show me.

 

[Raider Nation]

If Jack Lambert thought QBs "should wear dresses" years ago, he probably can't believe what he's seeing these days. The QBs should just wear flags on their belt. You can't BREATHE on them. The game is becoming unwatchable.

 

[General Tso]

I still don't get the ruling on the Kelce fumble. Wasn't a fumble on the field, but somehow, after review, they saw him complete the pass, get tackled, hit the ground, roll over, come up, and on the way up he lets the ball go and that's a fumble? What did they see under the hood? Fat Tony offering a bribe?

I just saw this on the Sunday Night Football highlight show. That is not a fumble in fast motion, slow motion, or stop motion. And it's not even close. They seriously need to investigate the ref who called that.

 

[Dizzy]

Patriots DB Browner had a clean, de-cleater that resulted in a pic-6... called back for PF, helmet-to-helmet (bad call, huge play).

 

[renesauz]

Patriots DB Browner had a clean, de-cleater that resulted in a pic-6... called back for PF, helmet-to-helmet (bad call, huge play).

Wrong. CLEARLY hit him in the neck area at the least, if not in the actual face. https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV1TPMoVU_IUA3HVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0YnByajZsBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDUxMl8x?_adv_prop=image&fr=mcafee&va=hit+on+ladarius+green

Also, penalty is NOT H2H, but for a hit to the "head or neck area of a defenseless receiver". Such a hit can be to the neck area with a forearm, H2H is not a requirement for the foul.

Plus...the NFL has consistently called that hit illegal every single time for 4 years now. Hate the rule if you want, but the call was made 100% consistent with the way it's been called for 4 years now.

 

[Dizzy]

Patriots DB Browner had a clean, de-cleater that resulted in a pic-6... called back for PF, helmet-to-helmet (bad call, huge play).

Wrong. CLEARLY hit him in the neck area at the least, if not in the actual face. https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV1TPMoVU_IUA3HVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0YnByajZsBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDUxMl8x?_adv_prop=image&fr=mcafee&va=hit+on+ladarius+green

Also, penalty is NOT H2H, but for a hit to the "head or neck area of a defenseless receiver". Such a hit can be to the neck area with a forearm, H2H is not a requirement for the foul.

Plus...the NFL has consistently called that hit illegal every single time for 4 years now. Hate the rule if you want, but the call was made 100% consistent with the way it's been called for 4 years now.

Shoulder on shoulder/collarbone. Ref's see a guy get blown up and they just reach for the flag. Bad call.

 

[The Duff Man]

A bunch more Bills stuff ths week, but the refs fist bumping a Denver score takes the cake.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/two-officials-bump-fists-after-broncos-td--nfl-says-nothing-wrong-043206729.html

 

[zftcg]

I still don't get the ruling on the Kelce fumble. Wasn't a fumble on the field, but somehow, after review, they saw him complete the pass, get tackled, hit the ground, roll over, come up, and on the way up he lets the ball go and that's a fumble? What did they see under the hood? Fat Tony offering a bribe?

I totally disagree with this reasoning, but my understanding is that they ruled the ball started coming out as we was going to the ground, and that he didn't regain possession before it was knocked out by the defender after his roll. I just don't see how you can definitively say that enough to overturn the call.

 

[justinl]

Instant replay is useless now

I know they get assistance from the office in New York but if they want to have consistency in the calls then NY should be making the call 100% of the time on every review and just tell the ref when he puts on the headset.

Actually, if you watched the Bears/Bucs game a few weeks ago, they said that every review is done by one person in New York to keep all calls consistent. It was the Vincent Jackson fumble around the goal line, the announcers were saying the receiver was down and the fumble stood - the call was actually obvious, I'm not sure what the announcers were watching.

But really, this is dumb. Challenges take way too long than they should. The head official doesn't even go underneath the hood anymore, and the challenges take the same amount of time. I feel like the NFL needs to hire a team of 3 officials that simply review every play in real time for every game. Right or wrong, the team can have an immediate response back to the head official for reviews. They can even keep track of missed calls/blown calls and use it for performance reviews on refs.

And when refs huddle to make a call, I can't believe there isn't already someone up in the box to help consult them on the call. It boggles my mind. Now, I wouldn't want them to interfere with the flow of the game, but in instances where the refs have already paused the play, it makes sense.

 

[DropKick]

Patriots DB Browner had a clean, de-cleater that resulted in a pic-6... called back for PF, helmet-to-helmet (bad call, huge play).

Wrong. CLEARLY hit him in the neck area at the least, if not in the actual face. https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV1TPMoVU_IUA3HVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0YnByajZsBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDUxMl8x?_adv_prop=image&fr=mcafee&va=hit+on+ladarius+green

Also, penalty is NOT H2H, but for a hit to the "head or neck area of a defenseless receiver". Such a hit can be to the neck area with a forearm, H2H is not a requirement for the foul.

Plus...the NFL has consistently called that hit illegal every single time for 4 years now. Hate the rule if you want, but the call was made 100% consistent with the way it's been called for 4 years now.

Definitely not "clearly" - looked very much like shoulder to shoulder. Especially, the way Browner's head goes to the side as he makes the tackle.

No doubt that it is a consistent call in that it looked violent and it looked head to head. Maybe these plays should be subject to replay since it is almost impossible to be certain in real time.

 

[DropKick]

I still don't get the ruling on the Kelce fumble. Wasn't a fumble on the field, but somehow, after review, they saw him complete the pass, get tackled, hit the ground, roll over, come up, and on the way up he lets the ball go and that's a fumble? What did they see under the hood? Fat Tony offering a bribe?

He lost control of the ball on the way to the ground and never regained possession. Didn't think so at first but "good call".

 

[Ghost Rider]

I still don't get the ruling on the Kelce fumble. Wasn't a fumble on the field, but somehow, after review, they saw him complete the pass, get tackled, hit the ground, roll over, come up, and on the way up he lets the ball go and that's a fumble? What did they see under the hood? Fat Tony offering a bribe?

The one angle showed the ball moving on his way down before he was down by contact, so since he never really had possession of it again before what looked like him throwing it forward after rolling over (almost like he was batting forward a loose ball), they called it a fumble. I was surprised by the call, but I can see why they called it that way.

 

[Mookie]

The fact that Green left the game with a concussion after the hit might also be indicative that a foul occurred.

 

[DropKick]

The fact that Green left the game with a concussion after the hit might also be indicative that a foul occurred.

Your head can get rocked from a legal hit and even the ground... Again, not surprised they threw a flag just think plays like those should be reviewable.

 

[zftcg]

MMQB has run a couple articles explaining how the new replay system works:

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/01/nfl-instant-replay-review-changes-mailbag/

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/11/inside-the-nfls-replay-command-center/

 

[General Tso]

Lots of talk in New England today about the call last night. Most people instinctively hated it when they saw it, but upon learning of the rule's specific wording (ie - "neck area" and the definition of "defenseless receiver") I think most reasonable fans concede that the call wasn't all that egregious. But lots of people still complaining about the rule itself, and the wussification of the League.