Bad news for anyone that jump on D Ward (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

All from Roto

Title is way better herehttp://www.giants.com/news/eisen/story.asp?story_id=25877

 

[GoBirds]

Please change the headline to "Good news to anyone who missed out on D. Ward the first time around". The sooner Jacobs comes back, the sooner he gets injured again.

Yeah, what leads us to believe BJ doesn't get hurt again when he comes back, regardless of when it is? He lasted what, a quarter and a half?

Ward has been hurt his whole career, don't hold your breath.

 

[Stealthycat]

13 Rushing ATT for 89

4 reeceptions for 27 yeard and 1 TD

I'll take my chances thank you very much

 

[GoBirds]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace. As a Giant fan I have little faith in his future production for at least 2 months. And I do not think he is the back of the future for the Giants.

Since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing.

 

[mdog1967]

LT had a great combination of size, speed, and agility. Still, he never came close to a 4.12 unless maybe someone was handing out free crack. 6'1" + 227 Lb. + 4.12 40 YD = freak.

Bo Jackson never ran a 4.12 40; that's urban legend.

Yes, he did. Twice in college and once at the combine. It's documented in SI and on ESPN. 3.9 is the legend.

World-record speed for the first 40 yards of a 100-meter dash is above 4.2. Bo Jackson's best 100 time was 10.39, six tenths of a second off the world record. He is not close to as fast as the top sprinters, and there is physically no way that he ran a real 4.12 at any point in his life.

Mustang GT at 4.12, Bo Jax never, ever ran a 4.12. Its false, not a legend - it is a lie.Many reported times are extremely unreliable due to differences in timing methods if not intentional falsifications. The fastest time officially recorded by the NFL was 4.29 seconds by Deion Sanders in 1989 [1], although the NFL did not begin electronic timing until 1990. In the electronic timing era, the fastest recorded time at the NFL combine was 4.30 seconds by cornerback Tye Hill in 2006 [2]. As noted above, most other times are not trustworthy due to the use of hand timing, but it is often claimed that players such as Sanders, DeAngelo Hall, Michael Vick, Bo Jackson, Randy Moss, Darrell Green, Laveranues Coles, have run the 4.1-4.2 range in college workouts. The absolute fastest time has likely not been run by a football player but by a sprinter in track and field. Although 40 yards is never run, the 60 meter dash is a well-regulated track and field distance, the official record for which is 6.39 seconds by Maurice Greene. Studying tapes of sprinter Ben Johnson's world-record breaking 1988 100 meter dash (which was later annulled due to Johnson's steroid use), however, show that Johnson ran the 60 m in 6.37 seconds, this is considered the most quickly started race ever run [3]. Nonetheless, Johnson "only" covered the first 40 yards in 4.38 seconds. It is highly doubtful that any football player could run 40 yards faster than a world-class sprinter in spikes on a track, casting doubts on many claimed 40 yard times. However, in track and field races, the runner must react to the starting gun, which can take 0.2-0.3 seconds. For electronically timed 40 yard dashes, the runner is allowed to start when he wishes, which automatically triggers the clock. This difference would indicate that, at peak form, Johnson more likely ran the 40 yard dash in 4.08-4.18 seconds, making claims of 4.2-range 40 times more credible.

 

[Dt's Mules]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace. As a Giant fan I have little faith in his future production for at least 2 months. And I do not think he is the back of the future for the Giants.

Since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing.

holiday inn last night?

 

[3C's]

All from Roto

Title is way better herehttp://www.giants.com/news/eisen/story.asp?story_id=25877

They must be talking about Coughlin.

 

[wraith5]

Madison Hedgecock-RB- Giants Sep. 12 - 5:44 pm et Giants claimed FB Madison Hedgecock off waivers from the Rams and released FB Robert Douglas.Hedgecock is a true lead blocker, which New York had been lacking. He'll likely take some time to get used to the Giants' offense, but Hedgecock's addition should free up Reuben Droughns to see more action at tailback with Brandon Jacobs (MCL) injured. It's not great news for Derrick Ward.

Wouldn't the Giants want Droughns ready to play RB at this point, regardless of whether he starts, splits time, or sits on the bench? With Jacobs out they need him out of the FB position, which would lead to the signing of Hedgecock. I don't necessarily think this is "bad news" for Ward. Based on what I saw on Sunday, I think he gets his shot.

 

[Avery]

Madison Hedgecock-RB- Giants Sep. 12 - 5:44 pm et Giants claimed FB Madison Hedgecock off waivers from the Rams and released FB Robert Douglas.Hedgecock is a true lead blocker, which New York had been lacking. He'll likely take some time to get used to the Giants' offense, but Hedgecock's addition should free up Reuben Droughns to see more action at tailback with Brandon Jacobs (MCL) injured. It's not great news for Derrick Ward.

Wouldn't the Giants want Droughns ready to play RB at this point, regardless of whether he starts, splits time, or sits on the bench? With Jacobs out they need him out of the FB position, which would lead to the signing of Hedgecock. I don't necessarily think this is "bad news" for Ward. Based on what I saw on Sunday, I think he gets his shot.

It's about options and need.The Giants have wanted a true blocking fullback all pre-season. They put in a serious offer on a blocking FB from Houston (forgot his name) in the off-season which the Texans matched much to the Giants shagrin. When Finn, who was based on the offer the the Texans FB obviously not the Giants first choice for a Jacobs backfield, was inured, the Giants were left with no true FB on the roster. They used a combinated of Droughns and a rookie FA TE to fill in, but a blocking FB was still a great need.Now they filled that need, which allows Droughns to work at RB where he can work into the rotation. If they could not do that, they would be left with a 7th round rookie, albeit a good looking one, as their starting RB should Ward get hurt in the next few weeks.My longwinder point is that the signing of Hedgecock does not mean much in regards to Ward's role or Jacobs injury, the Giants were merely filling a need at FB.

 

[Bri]

Madison Hedgecock-RB- Giants Sep. 12 - 5:44 pm et Giants claimed FB Madison Hedgecock off waivers from the Rams and released FB Robert Douglas.Hedgecock is a true lead blocker, which New York had been lacking. He'll likely take some time to get used to the Giants' offense, but Hedgecock's addition should free up Reuben Droughns to see more action at tailback with Brandon Jacobs (MCL) injured. It's not great news for Derrick Ward.

Wouldn't the Giants want Droughns ready to play RB at this point, regardless of whether he starts, splits time, or sits on the bench? With Jacobs out they need him out of the FB position, which would lead to the signing of Hedgecock. I don't necessarily think this is "bad news" for Ward. Based on what I saw on Sunday, I think he gets his shot.

Yeah somewhat. People are getting too excited over the position classifications and forgetting how useful all these guys are. Hedgecock not only plays FB but can be a short yardage back if they want a bruiser in there for a yard.Re-read some of Coughlin's direct quotes/thoughts on Droughns from pressers, no author's adding their thoughts just what Tom said and tell me Droughns isn't getting the rock some and/or brought in to provide depth(which is needed when a RB is hurt) and/or that he loves how his backs can do different things. Ya can't. The only time ya get lost and confused is when ya follow all the different writers opinions. It can't be negatively considerred coach-speak because ...well what coach wouldn't want depth or useful players?

 

[OU#1]

Put Jacobs as FB and let Ward/Droughns do a RBBC at HB!

Better yet, let J-Load play FB instead of QB and sign Leftwich!

 

[ELI2TYREE]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace. As a Giant fan I have little faith in his future production for at least 2 months. And I do not think he is the back of the future for the Giants.

Since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing.

he is in fact a retired orthopedic surgeon. so step off...

 

[gregjcross]

Jacobs will go down again, he takes too many big hits with his running style.

I think the same thing about Braylon Edwards, spreads his body out there to get flattened.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

I'm amused by all the posters that are jumping on the "Jacobs is injury prone because of his running style" bandwagon.

As someone that has been watching football for decades, I've seen many big backs have successful careers. Jacobs runs a bit upright (he's pretty tall), and he fights for every inch he can get (he punishes defenders). Sounds a little like Jim Brown. Obviously Jacobs isn't in Brown's class, but there's some similarities in running style.

If anyone watched the replay of the injury, you can plainly see that a player fell on Jacobs leg as he was planting his foot. That's one of those freak injuries that could've happened to any player, nothing to do with Jacobs running style, imo.

Jacobs is gonna be back in a few weeks, and I'm sure he will have a very nice season for the Giants. With that being said, I doubt he's gonna get 20+ carries a game, especially with how good Ward looked (I think he will become a change of pace RB +). Jacobs should get 15-20 carries a game, and garner the bulk of the GL work. I still think he finishes as a top 20 FF RB this year, especially with how much he'll be utilized in the redzone.

 

[pigskin pimp]

IF Lorenzen is the QB I doubt Ward or Droughns will do much. As BJ Owner I am going after another RB (Chris Brown or Michael Pittman) or living with my depth (A. Green and Norwood) and picking up an extra WR who could develop and let me trade a WR for another RB.

It took 46 posts, but I finally found something I agreed with.There was no way I was bidding on a no name back that has the star QB on the sidelines and a TB/FB that makes 10x more than him, ready to carry the load if needed.Simple math in my mind. No QB, unproven RB, aging #2 WR, aging DEF = a lot of losses + not a lot of fantasy points.The Falcons will have some company in going for that #1 in '08.

 

[Gannz]

LT had a great combination of size, speed, and agility. Still, he never came close to a 4.12 unless maybe someone was handing out free crack. 6'1" + 227 Lb. + 4.12 40 YD = freak.

Bo Jackson never ran a 4.12 40; that's urban legend.

Yes, he did. Twice in college and once at the combine. It's documented in SI and on ESPN. 3.9 is the legend.

World-record speed for the first 40 yards of a 100-meter dash is above 4.2. Bo Jackson's best 100 time was 10.39, six tenths of a second off the world record. He is not close to as fast as the top sprinters, and there is physically no way that he ran a real 4.12 at any point in his life.

It's a football 40 not a sprinters 40 but I'm not going to split hairs with you. My point remains that Bo was a freak. Jacobs is also a freak. Freaks don't last.

 

[3C's]

IF Lorenzen is the QB I doubt Ward or Droughns will do much. As BJ Owner I am going after another RB (Chris Brown or Michael Pittman) or living with my depth (A. Green and Norwood) and picking up an extra WR who could develop and let me trade a WR for another RB.

It took 46 posts, but I finally found something I agreed with.

There was no way I was bidding on a no name back that has the star QB on the sidelines and a TB/FB that makes 10x more than him, ready to carry the load if needed.

Simple math in my mind. No QB, unproven RB, aging #2 WR, aging DEF = a lot of losses + not a lot of fantasy points.

The Falcons will have some company in going for that #1 in '08.

What do the Cowboys (via Browns) have to do with it?

 

[gianmarco]

LT had a great combination of size, speed, and agility. Still, he never came close to a 4.12 unless maybe someone was handing out free crack. 6'1" + 227 Lb. + 4.12 40 YD = freak.

Bo Jackson never ran a 4.12 40; that's urban legend.

Yes, he did. Twice in college and once at the combine. It's documented in SI and on ESPN. 3.9 is the legend.

World-record speed for the first 40 yards of a 100-meter dash is above 4.2. Bo Jackson's best 100 time was 10.39, six tenths of a second off the world record. He is not close to as fast as the top sprinters, and there is physically no way that he ran a real 4.12 at any point in his life.

It's a football 40 not a sprinters 40 but I'm not going to split hairs with you. My point remains that Bo was a freak. Jacobs is also a freak. Freaks don't last.

Amazing sample size you have to prove your argument.

 

[KellysHeroes]

IF Lorenzen is the QB I doubt Ward or Droughns will do much. As BJ Owner I am going after another RB (Chris Brown or Michael Pittman) or living with my depth (A. Green and Norwood) and picking up an extra WR who could develop and let me trade a WR for another RB.

It took 46 posts, but I finally found something I agreed with.There was no way I was bidding on a no name back that has the star QB on the sidelines and a TB/FB that makes 10x more than him, ready to carry the load if needed.Simple math in my mind. No QB, unproven RB, aging #2 WR, aging DEF = a lot of losses + not a lot of fantasy points.The Falcons will have some company in going for that #1 in '08.

I agree with you for this week.... but theres a good chance that Eli is back in Week 3..

 

[GoBirds]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace. As a Giant fan I have little faith in his future production for at least 2 months. And I do not think he is the back of the future for the Giants.

Since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing.

he is in fact a retired orthopedic surgeon. so step off...

I guess he also treated Jacobs' injury too right? Oh he just saw it on tv like the rest of us? Think I'll believe Jacobs dr and not a message board know it all.

 

[packersfan]

IF Lorenzen is the QB I doubt Ward or Droughns will do much. As BJ Owner I am going after another RB (Chris Brown or Michael Pittman) or living with my depth (A. Green and Norwood) and picking up an extra WR who could develop and let me trade a WR for another RB.

It took 46 posts, but I finally found something I agreed with.There was no way I was bidding on a no name back that has the star QB on the sidelines and a TB/FB that makes 10x more than him, ready to carry the load if needed.Simple math in my mind. No QB, unproven RB, aging #2 WR, aging DEF = a lot of losses + not a lot of fantasy points.The Falcons will have some company in going for that #1 in '08.

I agree with you for this week.... but theres a good chance that Eli is back in Week 3..

Now we're hearing reports again that he could be out a month. To me, that's the biggest factor when deciding if you want to pursue Ward - how long will Manning be out? If he's out a month I think it's going to be rough sledding for the Giants' running game. Is it worth going after Ward if Manning's on the shelf for a month? That's the big question here.

 

[KellysHeroes]

IF Lorenzen is the QB I doubt Ward or Droughns will do much. As BJ Owner I am going after another RB (Chris Brown or Michael Pittman) or living with my depth (A. Green and Norwood) and picking up an extra WR who could develop and let me trade a WR for another RB.

It took 46 posts, but I finally found something I agreed with.There was no way I was bidding on a no name back that has the star QB on the sidelines and a TB/FB that makes 10x more than him, ready to carry the load if needed.Simple math in my mind. No QB, unproven RB, aging #2 WR, aging DEF = a lot of losses + not a lot of fantasy points.The Falcons will have some company in going for that #1 in '08.

I agree with you for this week.... but theres a good chance that Eli is back in Week 3..

Now we're hearing reports again that he could be out a month. To me, that's the biggest factor when deciding if you want to pursue Ward - how long will Manning be out? If he's out a month I think it's going to be rough sledding for the Giants' running game. Is it worth going after Ward if Manning's on the shelf for a month? That's the big question here.

yeap.. Eli is done until Oct... confirmed by Dr Andrews... huge hit to ANY NYG RB

 

[Jagerbomber]

yeap.. Eli is done until Oct... confirmed by Dr Andrews... huge hit to ANY NYG RB

Ouch. That one hurts. Who knows, maybe Lorenzen will pan out ok.On second thought, can Jesse Palmer suit up again?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I think the real bad news for Ward, Droughns, Jacobs, and everyone else is that Jared Lorenzen could be leading the Giants for the next 3-4 weeks. It's going to be tough sledding for whoever is carrying the football.

Oh, and on the off-topic discussion, it's been documented that 4.38 is probably the fastest time that anyone has ever run 40 yards (frame by frame analysis of the fastest 100M ever run). The 4.1s, 4.2s, 4.3s that are reported are always the result of the timers having happy thumbs. Bo Jackson was cetainly one of the top 2 or 3 fastest players when he played, however. Considering the others, Darrell Green, Willie Gault, were in the 170-180 lb range, gives perspective on what kind of athlete he was.

 

[Bri]

Oh, and on the off-topic discussion, it's been documented that 4.38 is probably the fastest time that anyone has ever run 40 yards (frame by frame analysis of the fastest 100M ever run). The 4.1s, 4.2s, 4.3s that are reported are always the result of the timers having happy thumbs.

That's a bunch of hogwashCarl Lewis was in Dallas' camp.I remember watching Michael Haynes in the Olympics years ago. They've got "happy thumbs" there? I don't think so.Track star Todd Lowber tried out for the Vikes and was timed at some insanely fast time. Of course that triggerred a series of "no you didn't" runs. While I don't recall his exact times(feel free to google) he was under 4.38 each and every single time.

 

[Bri]

I'm amused by all the posters that are jumping on the "Jacobs is injury prone because of his running style" bandwagon.

yeah how many games has he missed?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Oh, and on the off-topic discussion, it's been documented that 4.38 is probably the fastest time that anyone has ever run 40 yards (frame by frame analysis of the fastest 100M ever run). The 4.1s, 4.2s, 4.3s that are reported are always the result of the timers having happy thumbs.

That's a bunch of hogwashCarl Lewis was in Dallas' camp.

I remember watching Michael Haynes in the Olympics years ago. They've got "happy thumbs" there? I don't think so.

Track star Todd Lowber tried out for the Vikes and was timed at some insanely fast time. Of course that triggerred a series of "no you didn't" runs. While I don't recall his exact times(feel free to google) he was under 4.38 each and every single time.

Link

 

[ELI2TYREE]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace. As a Giant fan I have little faith in his future production for at least 2 months. And I do not think he is the back of the future for the Giants.

Since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing.

he is in fact a retired orthopedic surgeon. so step off...

I guess he also treated Jacobs' injury too right? Oh he just saw it on tv like the rest of us? Think I'll believe Jacobs dr and not a message board know it all.

don't be a dork. you said "since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing."Now that you know he's a doctor, his opinion still means nothing? Nice line of thinking.Anyway, of course he didn't examine Jacobs, but i have witnessed him make diagnosis from the living room couch before. Take it for what it's worth and move on (or move out).

 

[GoBirds]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace. As a Giant fan I have little faith in his future production for at least 2 months. And I do not think he is the back of the future for the Giants.

Since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing.

he is in fact a retired orthopedic surgeon. so step off...

I guess he also treated Jacobs' injury too right? Oh he just saw it on tv like the rest of us? Think I'll believe Jacobs dr and not a message board know it all.

don't be a dork. you said "since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing."Now that you know he's a doctor, his opinion still means nothing? Nice line of thinking.Anyway, of course he didn't examine Jacobs, but i have witnessed him make diagnosis from the living room couch before. Take it for what it's worth and move on (or move out).

It's worth nothing since we already have the results from his actual doctor, thanks for caring though.

 

[H.K.]

The big question is: now that Droughns is the man, will Jacobs see the field again?

 

[switz]

Ward is better than Jacobs

 

[packersfan]

Ward is better than Jacobs

Perhaps. But Manning is definitely better than Lorenzen and that, to me, is the huge variable here. If Eli is out for a month I'm not sure the Giants will get much on the ground no matter who their RB is.

 

[switz]

Oh, and on the off-topic discussion, it's been documented that 4.38 is probably the fastest time that anyone has ever run 40 yards (frame by frame analysis of the fastest 100M ever run). The 4.1s, 4.2s, 4.3s that are reported are always the result of the timers having happy thumbs.

That's a bunch of hogwashCarl Lewis was in Dallas' camp.

I remember watching Michael Haynes in the Olympics years ago. They've got "happy thumbs" there? I don't think so.

Track star Todd Lowber tried out for the Vikes and was timed at some insanely fast time. Of course that triggerred a series of "no you didn't" runs. While I don't recall his exact times(feel free to google) he was under 4.38 each and every single time.

Link

awesome read.

 

[Bri]

Oh, and on the off-topic discussion, it's been documented that 4.38 is probably the fastest time that anyone has ever run 40 yards (frame by frame analysis of the fastest 100M ever run). The 4.1s, 4.2s, 4.3s that are reported are always the result of the timers having happy thumbs.

That's a bunch of hogwashCarl Lewis was in Dallas' camp.

I remember watching Michael Haynes in the Olympics years ago. They've got "happy thumbs" there? I don't think so.

Track star Todd Lowber tried out for the Vikes and was timed at some insanely fast time. Of course that triggerred a series of "no you didn't" runs. While I don't recall his exact times(feel free to google) he was under 4.38 each and every single time.

Link

can't be that this frame by frame analysis is showing wrong results it's that everyone that ever clocked someone is wrong...yeah that's reasonable

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Oh, and on the off-topic discussion, it's been documented that 4.38 is probably the fastest time that anyone has ever run 40 yards (frame by frame analysis of the fastest 100M ever run). The 4.1s, 4.2s, 4.3s that are reported are always the result of the timers having happy thumbs.

That's a bunch of hogwashCarl Lewis was in Dallas' camp.

I remember watching Michael Haynes in the Olympics years ago. They've got "happy thumbs" there? I don't think so.

Track star Todd Lowber tried out for the Vikes and was timed at some insanely fast time. Of course that triggerred a series of "no you didn't" runs. While I don't recall his exact times(feel free to google) he was under 4.38 each and every single time.

Link

can't be that this frame by frame analysis is showing wrong results it's that everyone that ever clocked someone is wrong...yeah that's reasonable

It was an Olympic event, and the Olympic timing committee that did the analysis. I have no doubt that it is accurate. Track coaches even have a standard for adjusting times based on a manual stopwatch, which is to go to the nearest tenth and add .24 seconds. It's all relative though; someone who is being hand timed at 4.3 is faster (in terms of 40 speed) than someone being timed at 4.6, even if the actual times are closer to 4.5 and 4.8 respectively. Anything reported below 4.3 is suspect, however, since you are bumping up against that ridiculous and steroid enhanced time of Ben Johnson's.

The important part of this article is pointing out that there is a difference between 40 speed and football speed. When I want to know if a football player is fast, I watch them play football. Preferably against other fast players.

 

[Nate]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace....

Great Post!Although I have to disagree. The angle at which his knee was bent was no more than 18.5 degrees, according to my trusty protractor. 18.5 degrees means that this must surely be a first degree tear and Jacobs will return to the field on the 18th day of his recovery, at no later than 1pm. Another degree and a half and I'd have to agree with your 2nd degree tear diagnosis and your prognosis of a 4-6 week recovery time would be bang on.The Giants could save a lot of money if they just called us instead of wasting time and funds on useless MRIs and rehab programs and whatnot.

 

[RC94]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ward keeps the starting job and relegates Jacobs to the same role he had last year.

Neither would I. Ward is better than Jacobs IMO. His main problem hasn't been performance, it's been staying healthy.

 

[ELI2TYREE]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace. As a Giant fan I have little faith in his future production for at least 2 months. And I do not think he is the back of the future for the Giants.

Since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing.

he is in fact a retired orthopedic surgeon. so step off...

I guess he also treated Jacobs' injury too right? Oh he just saw it on tv like the rest of us? Think I'll believe Jacobs dr and not a message board know it all.

don't be a dork. you said "since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing."Now that you know he's a doctor, his opinion still means nothing? Nice line of thinking.Anyway, of course he didn't examine Jacobs, but i have witnessed him make diagnosis from the living room couch before. Take it for what it's worth and move on (or move out).

It's worth nothing since we already have the results from his actual doctor, thanks for caring though.

no we don't. we have info from the "team" meaning we know nothing but what we've seen and what we are "supposed" to believe. Get over yourself.

 

[Dexter Manley]

LT had a great combination of size, speed, and agility. Still, he never came close to a 4.12 unless maybe someone was handing out free crack. 6'1" + 227 Lb. + 4.12 40 YD = freak.

Bo Jackson never ran a 4.12 40; that's urban legend.

Yes, he did. Twice in college and once at the combine. It's documented in SI and on ESPN. 3.9 is the legend.

World-record speed for the first 40 yards of a 100-meter dash is above 4.2. Bo Jackson's best 100 time was 10.39, six tenths of a second off the world record. He is not close to as fast as the top sprinters, and there is physically no way that he ran a real 4.12 at any point in his life.

Mustang GT at 4.12, Bo Jax never, ever ran a 4.12. Its false, not a legend - it is a lie.Many reported times are extremely unreliable due to differences in timing methods if not intentional falsifications. The fastest time officially recorded by the NFL was 4.29 seconds by Deion Sanders in 1989 [1], although the NFL did not begin electronic timing until 1990. In the electronic timing era, the fastest recorded time at the NFL combine was 4.30 seconds by cornerback Tye Hill in 2006 [2]. As noted above, most other times are not trustworthy due to the use of hand timing, but it is often claimed that players such as Sanders, DeAngelo Hall, Michael Vick, Bo Jackson, Randy Moss, Darrell Green, Laveranues Coles, have run the 4.1-4.2 range in college workouts. The absolute fastest time has likely not been run by a football player but by a sprinter in track and field. Although 40 yards is never run, the 60 meter dash is a well-regulated track and field distance, the official record for which is 6.39 seconds by Maurice Greene. Studying tapes of sprinter Ben Johnson's world-record breaking 1988 100 meter dash (which was later annulled due to Johnson's steroid use), however, show that Johnson ran the 60 m in 6.37 seconds, this is considered the most quickly started race ever run [3]. Nonetheless, Johnson "only" covered the first 40 yards in 4.38 seconds. It is highly doubtful that any football player could run 40 yards faster than a world-class sprinter in spikes on a track, casting doubts on many claimed 40 yard times. However, in track and field races, the runner must react to the starting gun, which can take 0.2-0.3 seconds. For electronically timed 40 yard dashes, the runner is allowed to start when he wishes, which automatically triggers the clock. This difference would indicate that, at peak form, Johnson more likely ran the 40 yard dash in 4.08-4.18 seconds, making claims of 4.2-range 40 times more credible.

I don't know the fastest 40 time Bo ever turned in, but I do know for a fact he was faster than Deon. When they both played mlb, they were the 2 fastest players in the league from the batter's box to 1st base -- Bo was 1st, Deon 2nd. The amazing thing was Bo recorded a better time from the right handed batter's box than Deon did from the left handed batter's box.

 

[Brides Maids]

All from RotoBrandon Jacobs walked without a limp or wrap on his right knee in the locker room Wednesday. He is listed as out for Week 2.Jacobs claims he'll be able to run by next week. "It sure won't be five weeks," Jacobs said of the time he'll miss. Sprained MCLs usually take at least a few weeks to return from, but this is a good early indication for Jacobs owners.Madison Hedgecock-RB- Giants Sep. 12 - 5:44 pm et Giants claimed FB Madison Hedgecock off waivers from the Rams and released FB Robert Douglas.Hedgecock is a true lead blocker, which New York had been lacking. He'll likely take some time to get used to the Giants' offense, but Hedgecock's addition should free up Reuben Droughns to see more action at tailback with Brandon Jacobs (MCL) injured. It's not great news for Derrick Ward.

Ok this might be good, maybe he rushes it back and goes down for the season!!How severe was the injury anyway? I mean didn't he jog off the field?I thought it was going to be like the Addai thing then all of the sudden comes word he's out for the rest of the game?!? It surprised me cause some other guy in whatever league I'm in is usually the benefactor of this kind of a thing and Week 1 it just so happened to help me out.

 

[Metux]

DW performance against the Cowboys will make anyyone heal quickly.

 

[Gannz]

LT had a great combination of size, speed, and agility. Still, he never came close to a 4.12 unless maybe someone was handing out free crack. 6'1" + 227 Lb. + 4.12 40 YD = freak.

Bo Jackson never ran a 4.12 40; that's urban legend.

Yes, he did. Twice in college and once at the combine. It's documented in SI and on ESPN. 3.9 is the legend.

World-record speed for the first 40 yards of a 100-meter dash is above 4.2. Bo Jackson's best 100 time was 10.39, six tenths of a second off the world record. He is not close to as fast as the top sprinters, and there is physically no way that he ran a real 4.12 at any point in his life.

It's a football 40 not a sprinters 40 but I'm not going to split hairs with you. My point remains that Bo was a freak. Jacobs is also a freak. Freaks don't last.

Amazing sample size you have to prove your argument.

That's senseless. If there were more freaks then they wouldn't be freaks now would they?

 

[corpcow]

All from RotoBrandon Jacobs walked without a limp or wrap on his right knee in the locker room Wednesday. He is listed as out for Week 2.Jacobs claims he'll be able to run by next week. "It sure won't be five weeks," Jacobs said of the time he'll miss. Sprained MCLs usually take at least a few weeks to return from, but this is a good early indication for Jacobs owners.Madison Hedgecock-RB- Giants Sep. 12 - 5:44 pm et Giants claimed FB Madison Hedgecock off waivers from the Rams and released FB Robert Douglas.Hedgecock is a true lead blocker, which New York had been lacking. He'll likely take some time to get used to the Giants' offense, but Hedgecock's addition should free up Reuben Droughns to see more action at tailback with Brandon Jacobs (MCL) injured. It's not great news for Derrick Ward.

Jacobs is not very good,anyways...he won't last as the starting RB< he's too tall and is a bigger target to hit.plus, he's slower than his advertised speed would indicate, ala Matt Jones..both run sub-4.4 40's, but don't show any 'game' speed on Sundays. the Jacobs experiment will finish much like the Stacey Mack experiment did in Jax while Coughlin was there..

Jacobs does not run a sub-4.4 40. He was timed at 4.56 coming out of college.

 

[gianmarco]

LT had a great combination of size, speed, and agility. Still, he never came close to a 4.12 unless maybe someone was handing out free crack. 6'1" + 227 Lb. + 4.12 40 YD = freak.

Bo Jackson never ran a 4.12 40; that's urban legend.

Yes, he did. Twice in college and once at the combine. It's documented in SI and on ESPN. 3.9 is the legend.

World-record speed for the first 40 yards of a 100-meter dash is above 4.2. Bo Jackson's best 100 time was 10.39, six tenths of a second off the world record. He is not close to as fast as the top sprinters, and there is physically no way that he ran a real 4.12 at any point in his life.

It's a football 40 not a sprinters 40 but I'm not going to split hairs with you. My point remains that Bo was a freak. Jacobs is also a freak. Freaks don't last.

Amazing sample size you have to prove your argument.

That's senseless. If there were more freaks then they wouldn't be freaks now would they?

If that's senseless, then I love how much sense your bolded statement above makes. "Freaks don't last?" You're basing this on 1 person? Who's senseless?

 

[Gannz]

LT had a great combination of size, speed, and agility. Still, he never came close to a 4.12 unless maybe someone was handing out free crack. 6'1" + 227 Lb. + 4.12 40 YD = freak.

Bo Jackson never ran a 4.12 40; that's urban legend.

Yes, he did. Twice in college and once at the combine. It's documented in SI and on ESPN. 3.9 is the legend.

World-record speed for the first 40 yards of a 100-meter dash is above 4.2. Bo Jackson's best 100 time was 10.39, six tenths of a second off the world record. He is not close to as fast as the top sprinters, and there is physically no way that he ran a real 4.12 at any point in his life.

It's a football 40 not a sprinters 40 but I'm not going to split hairs with you. My point remains that Bo was a freak. Jacobs is also a freak. Freaks don't last.

Amazing sample size you have to prove your argument.

That's senseless. If there were more freaks then they wouldn't be freaks now would they?

If that's senseless, then I love how much sense your bolded statement above makes. "Freaks don't last?" You're basing this on 1 person? Who's senseless?

You are. I'm not going to even bother trying to explain it to you because you obviously don't see the error in your logic.

 

[GoBirds]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace. As a Giant fan I have little faith in his future production for at least 2 months. And I do not think he is the back of the future for the Giants.

Since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing.

he is in fact a retired orthopedic surgeon. so step off...

I guess he also treated Jacobs' injury too right? Oh he just saw it on tv like the rest of us? Think I'll believe Jacobs dr and not a message board know it all.

don't be a dork. you said "since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing."Now that you know he's a doctor, his opinion still means nothing? Nice line of thinking.Anyway, of course he didn't examine Jacobs, but i have witnessed him make diagnosis from the living room couch before. Take it for what it's worth and move on (or move out).

It's worth nothing since we already have the results from his actual doctor, thanks for caring though.

no we don't. we have info from the "team" meaning we know nothing but what we've seen and what we are "supposed" to believe. Get over yourself.

He was riding a stationary bike yeasterday, do you really think he is 6 weeks away? But since you saw the replay and came up with your own diagnosis guess he's out at least 6 weeks, everbody drop Jacobs!

 

[Skinsfansince72]

All from RotoBrandon Jacobs walked without a limp or wrap on his right knee in the locker room Wednesday. He is listed as out for Week 2.Jacobs claims he'll be able to run by next week. "It sure won't be five weeks," Jacobs said of the time he'll miss. Sprained MCLs usually take at least a few weeks to return from, but this is a good early indication for Jacobs owners.Madison Hedgecock-RB- Giants Sep. 12 - 5:44 pm et Giants claimed FB Madison Hedgecock off waivers from the Rams and released FB Robert Douglas.Hedgecock is a true lead blocker, which New York had been lacking. He'll likely take some time to get used to the Giants' offense, but Hedgecock's addition should free up Reuben Droughns to see more action at tailback with Brandon Jacobs (MCL) injured. It's not great news for Derrick Ward.

I grabbed him and I view this as good news. I was hoping the Jacobs injury wasn't serious. Doesn't change my stance on picking up his backup. I thought I had missed out on draft day when Doughns was drafted before I could get to him. Having both healthy is what I'm looking for. Only bad news for those who don't have Jacobs.

 

[Skinsfansince72]

Did you see the replay of BJ's knee injury. Had an excellent view of it from behind him. Appears that his knee went to at least a 20 degree angle. That is at least a 2nd degree tear. At least 4 weeks IMO and should be six. And he returns with a brace. As a Giant fan I have little faith in his future production for at least 2 months. And I do not think he is the back of the future for the Giants.

Since you're not a doctor your opinion really means nothing.

Not only is he not a doctor but he doesn't have good eye sight. I saw the same view on tv and the knee was barely bent at all. In fact, I was surprised he was injured at all. 20 degrees minus 18 and you've got it right.