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Balancing job offers -- advice? (2 Viewers)
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Doug B
Footballguy
Negotiating salary is not considering below-the-belt in the white-collar fields I am familiar with. Why would you think the candidates are attempting to play you?
When you initially make offers, do you make clear up front that the offer is not negotiable? Or do you only say "my offer is firm" as a response to a counteroffer?
Doug B
Footballguy
Specifically -- it would helping Job #2 client firm's materials-management staff to get their hands around their inventory data. Not sure how sensitive that kind of work would be to market fluctuations.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Major stress of finding job/deciding on two "not so perfect offers" is done. You can keep looking for something more perfect. Congrats! Family probably happy you have a job and not relocating, change of schools, etc... Maybe have to cut back a little on monthly expenses but hopefully OT can take up most of the gap.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Not sure this is the right thread but here goes. Two questions:
1.) I've just started my job hunt and have so far only applied to one place. My interview is this afternoon. If they offer me a job should I accept without knowing what other offers I may get if I had applied at other companies?
Factors:
- I applied to this place first because I've always been interested in this company. Smallish company, employee owned. 3 of my former co-workers are there now and love it, so I suspect I'd be a good fit.
- My wife is panicked about money and wants me to take a job, any job, immediately.
2.) If a company has several positions I'm interested in, should I apply for multiple positions or just one? If one...should it be the highest ranking job I think I could actually do...even if that means I might be less likely to land that job? Or should I apply for a lesser position knowing I'd be more likely to be selected?
1.) I've just started my job hunt and have so far only applied to one place. My interview is this afternoon. If they offer me a job should I accept without knowing what other offers I may get if I had applied at other companies?
Factors:
- I applied to this place first because I've always been interested in this company. Smallish company, employee owned. 3 of my former co-workers are there now and love it, so I suspect I'd be a good fit.
- My wife is panicked about money and wants me to take a job, any job, immediately.
2.) If a company has several positions I'm interested in, should I apply for multiple positions or just one? If one...should it be the highest ranking job I think I could actually do...even if that means I might be less likely to land that job? Or should I apply for a lesser position knowing I'd be more likely to be selected?
My instinct would be "yes" on #1. For most people, it's hard to find a new job, and it sounds like that one has enough to recommend it that unless you're very close to an offer somewhere else, I wouldn't recommend taking a chance by delaying acceptance more than a few days.
My thinking on the second one has changed...used to think you should apply to every position that interested you. Have heard from multiple members of companies' internal recruiting teams now that if someone submits applications for multiple roles, the recruiters will just consider them for the role that they (the recruiter) think is the best fit...and sometimes they're wrong about that. So I'd say better for you to choose the role than leave it up to them.
My thinking on the second one has changed...used to think you should apply to every position that interested you. Have heard from multiple members of companies' internal recruiting teams now that if someone submits applications for multiple roles, the recruiters will just consider them for the role that they (the recruiter) think is the best fit...and sometimes they're wrong about that. So I'd say better for you to choose the role than leave it up to them.
Apply to the one you think would be the best fit for you. If/when you get a job interview you can expand your answers/comments to explain that you would have interest in the other opportunities and why you think you would be a fit for them as well. This is something you can feel out during the interview process to see how hard to push or push at all. Without knowing the type of job openings and how you cross over to be a fit with them it's hard to really give any specifics of how to handle the interview.
Bottom line if you are good fit for the company and they have openings that they think you will work in by saying during the interview you are open to the other opportunities as well they may end up offering you something because of how you fit.
belljr
Footballguy
If you don't have other applications out and even have interviews lined up there is no way you wait if you are offered a job now.
If you have other prospects going on then yes you could stall a bit to see what others may have to offer but it sounds like you haven't even applied elsewhere
If you have other prospects going on then yes you could stall a bit to see what others may have to offer but it sounds like you haven't even applied elsewhere
Can't really answer this question. How desperate are you to get a job? How many other opportunities do you have? When will you find out about the other ones? From the additional info you listed sounds like a good fit so if the offer is there and acceptable and you think you will like the environment, why not take it?
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Whew! That's what I was thinking already but good to hear this advice.
Not super desperate yet, but savings are dwindling. Possibly relevant...I've been watching/curious about this company for years as I work in a very niche field and this is one of 2 companies here doing this kind of work. The other one...I worked at for 20 years. I think I'll pull the trigger if there's a reasonable offer, and will definitely mention that the other position they listed also sounds interesting.
ETA: while there are only 2 companies doing this work locally, this type of work is often done remotely and other companies often list this as remote work. Yes, this is the only other place in town, but I'm not limited to companies in this town.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
In this market - land a job. You can always switch if a better one comes along
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Admittedly haven't looked outside my field (software developer) but I thought the market was good now. Hmm.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Thanks all. It looks like their interview process is slow slow slow with several days between 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and final (in-office) interviews. Question 1 was just a "just in case they offer" but not an issue right now. I'm really just embarking on my job search but won't wait to see how this one goes since it appears to take a while.
Anybody ever worked at a 100% employee-owned company before? Not sure what to make of this ESOP thing. They apparently contribute both 401k and ESOP. Said company retirement contribution averages about 12.5% of salary per year. That's more than most, right?
Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP): What It Is, How It Works, Advantages
Anybody ever worked at a 100% employee-owned company before? Not sure what to make of this ESOP thing. They apparently contribute both 401k and ESOP. Said company retirement contribution averages about 12.5% of salary per year. That's more than most, right?
Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP): What It Is, How It Works, Advantages
Holy Cow. This seems like a lot. I never interviewed someone more than one time. I could pretty much tell in a half hour whether or not the person would fit into the group or not. What could possibly necessitate 4 different interviews?
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Van Dyman
Footballguy
No idea. First interview was with their HR recruiter. 2nd would be with hiring manager. 3rd is a technical interview. 4th would be at their office and I suspect is more of a "you're hired, meet the team!" kinda thing.
First interview was also 75 minutes. For those of you keeping score at home, 75 is more than 30.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
The methodical nature of their hiring process may be part of why they seemingly have a great culture.
Nugget
Footballguy
It's been a bit since I interviewed, but last go around I would have 1-2 30-60 minute phone interviews/zoom calls and then I'd fly in to have 2-4 hours in person. When I took my current position, I flew in to Michigan and we had interviews/activities that started with breakfast at 6:30am and finished with a dinner from 6-8pm.
My GF interviewed recently for teaching positions - they interviewed at least 12 candidates on the phone and then brought 4 in for interviews/teaching demonstrations. They would do dinner/breakfast, then time on campus with various department members. It was a full 24 hours.
Or they don't know what they are doing. To me it shows nobody wants to make a decision so they have to keep bringing in more and more people because nobody wants to be take responsibility.
This makes sense. Weed out the better resumes with a phone interview and then bring in the top few for the actual interview.
I could see a phone interview with the HR recruiter where they are narrowing down the resumes for the actual hiring manager. But the hiring manager should be doing the technical interview so #2 & 3 should be the same process and #4 would only be needed if the company is too far away to have the hiring manager interview in person. Just seems like overkill.
The only way I could see a use for the #4 interview is if the candidate is on the fence and the company is trying to schmooze them to get a yes.
The better the candidate the longer the interview usually goes. If you know right off the bat the person isn't a fit no reason to keep asking them questions or wasting each other's time. However, if the candidate seems like a quality option it leads to more questions/scenarios etc and the interview does longer. We were a design & manufacturing company so if the candidate was worthwhile I would always include a tour of the shop to see how hands on and comfortable the candidate is with that kind of environment. That also gives you a good glimpse into how they will fit in (for that type of environment).
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Kanil
Footballguy
I am over a few different groups and almost always have someone from the actual team do the technical interviews for me. 1st is HR, 2nd is technical with a member/members of the team, and 3rd is with me. I think that's probably a fairly common practice.
I just combined the 2nd & 3rd interviews you described. I wanted to be part of the technical evaluation as well as have team members involved in the "fit" part. Essentially the same process for sure.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Just finished the 2nd interview with the hiring manager. 1 hour. Not much technical evaluation there, as advertised. Lots of back and forth about what they do and how.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Nobody asked but since some here were commenting on this interview process...
I had my third interview last week. So far all three were over an hour. Tomorrow they want me to have lunch with the hiring manager then "visit" for another 4 hours of interviews with various leadership people. Some of that will be with the HR lady explaining the ESOP stuff. Still, I think this is really on the extreme end of the spectrum for interviews. Whatever. Company is 100% employee-owned so maybe they're just super careful about who they bring in.
I had my third interview last week. So far all three were over an hour. Tomorrow they want me to have lunch with the hiring manager then "visit" for another 4 hours of interviews with various leadership people. Some of that will be with the HR lady explaining the ESOP stuff. Still, I think this is really on the extreme end of the spectrum for interviews. Whatever. Company is 100% employee-owned so maybe they're just super careful about who they bring in.
Sounds to me like you got the job and they are just trying to impress you more.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
No, they actually do this with everyone, at least in this department. 3 of my former co-workers are there currently and were interviewed the same way.
