Bargain Barn TE's (1 Viewer)

[podunker]

1. L. J. Smith (adp 10) Consistently top 10 guy. Will put up those kinds of numbers as long as McNabb is healthy. Has averaged within a point of the top 5 or 6 at his position the last two years. He is a solid fantasy starter.

2. Witten (adp 9) Same as Smith, solid top 10 guy. He averaged 10 points a week the second half of the year after him and Romo had some time together. A full off-season with Romo will only help his numbers. Fantasy starter period.

3. Miller (adp12) New offensive system should help his value. He will get some looks in the middle of the field now, unlike just red zone targets in the past. The development of Holmes will open up the middle of the field for him more often. Can see him moving up to that 9+ ppg average that you need out of your starting TE. He’ll be a fantasy starter for someone.

4. Scaife – (adp 22) Inconsistent last year with new starting QB, but had some nice games. Vince and him played together at Texas, so they have great chemistry. Not a lot of receiving options on the team. Still finished 17th on ppg average last year. He will finish inside the top 15 making him a borderline starter. Scaife, not Troupe, is the one to watch on this team.

5. Pollard – (adp 20) Seattle like to throw to the TE, but got away from that last year. J. Stevens was a top 11 TE in 2005. Pollard might be the team’s third best receiving option. Pollard finished 16th in 2005 in Detroit. He’ll be a borderline starter also.

SLEEPERS

Miller (adp 21)– He’ll be the starting TE in Oakland. Had great size and will be a great target in the middle of the field. If he doesn’t have to stay in and block a lot, could pay off with some nice weeks.

Olsen (adp 16) Catches everything and has great size and speed. Not a blocker, but could be moved out wide to make matchup problems. Eventually will be a stud. Depends on how much Clark takes away from him. They like to use two TE sets, and I can see Olson being like a slot in those formations.

 

[OCC]

 

[g5jamz]

Sleeper...Jeff King...Carolina

 

[NorrisB]

I dont like the sleepers as rookie TEs rarely do anything.

I like for sleepers:

Ben Troupe- Has the talent to be a top 5 TE

Tony Scheffler- #1 TE last 4 weeks was Cutlers favorite target

Visante Shiancoe- Who else?

 

[Domination]

I dont like the sleepers as rookie TEs rarely do anything.

I like for sleepers:

Ben Troupe- Has the talent to be a top 5 TE

Tony Scheffler- #1 TE last 4 weeks was Cutlers favorite target

Visante Shiancoe- Who else?

He wont even be the #1 TE on his own team.

 

[Stealthycat]

I love Owen Daniels ........ Schaub was in a system that used TE's and in Houston, besides Andre Johnson who else is going to catch the ball ?

 

[hephner]

I dont like the sleepers as rookie TEs rarely do anything.

I like for sleepers:

Ben Troupe- Has the talent to be a top 5 TE

Tony Scheffler- #1 TE last 4 weeks was Cutlers favorite target

Visante Shiancoe- Who else?

He wont even be the #1 TE on his own team.

Ben Troupe probably won't be either.Mastermind Moment

by FF Mastermind's Michael Nazarek

TE Bo Scaife (Tennessee) - Darkhorse Sleeper

Tuesday, July 24th, 2007

Many people believe TE Ben Troupe is the starter for the Titans in 2007. Not so fast. Scaife doubled the catches of Troupe (27 to 13) and scored twice, just like Troupe, in 2006. More importantly, he forged an important bond with QB Vince Young, and is in place to win the starting job in training camp this summer if he stays healthy...

Also, with the original poster's listing of Marcus Pollard, don't forget he's 35 years old. He had just 12 catches for 100 yards and 0 TDs last year in Detroit, that after catching 47 passes the year before. I think he's hit the wall.

 

[shadyridr]

Didnt Scaife play with Young at Texas? I think alot of people are ignoring that aspect.

 

[hephner]

I love Owen Daniels ........ Schaub was in a system that used TE's and in Houston, besides Andre Johnson who else is going to catch the ball ?

They signed Keenan McCardell last week. They also like Kevin Walter, and Jocoby Jones could be a sleeper at WR, especially later in the season. Still, none of these guys will likely stand out in the passing game, so there will be plenty of opportunity for Daniels.

 

[Mapmaker]

Dave Martin (ADP TE-24 / 237) has an excellent chance at being fantasy gold in the Miami offence this season ... Trent Green made a living utilizing the TE position in Kansas City with Tony Gonzalez ... sure Martin isn't Tony G ... but when your WR1 is Chris Chambers who historically has proven to be a below 50% catch/target receiver you have to consider Martin a serious contender for targets ... what he does with them will be up to him ... but management certainly didn't have any problem trading away RMcMichael and giving Martin a nice contract this offseason ... maybe they know something

 

[shadyridr]

Dave Martin (ADP TE-24 / 237) has an excellent chance at being fantasy gold in the Miami offence this season ... Trent Green made a living utilizing the TE position in Kansas City with Tony Gonzalez ... sure Martin isn't Tony G ... but when your WR1 is Chris Chambers who historically has proven to be a below 50% catch/target receiver you have to consider Martin a serious contender for targets ... what he does with them will be up to him ... but management certainly didn't have any problem trading away RMcMichael and giving Martin a nice contract this offseason ... maybe they know something

The guy couldnt get it done in GB with Brett Favre who lead the league in pass attempts for the last few years. And he was blocked by such stalwarts as Franks & Lee. Plus he gets hurt all the time. There is no chance in hell he will do good now.

 

[NorrisB]

I dont like the sleepers as rookie TEs rarely do anything.

I like for sleepers:

Ben Troupe- Has the talent to be a top 5 TE

Tony Scheffler- #1 TE last 4 weeks was Cutlers favorite target

Visante Shiancoe- Who else?

He wont even be the #1 TE on his own team.

 

[tuckryan]

Sleeper - Eric johnson - caught a lot of ball with the niners and I heard Brees likes to throw to the TE from a SD homer. Some guy names gates. No seriously, I think he will be #3 in receptions for the saints behind colston and Bush and should put up respectible numbers for a TE.

 

[FavreCo]

Sleeper - Eric johnson - caught a lot of ball with the niners and I heard Brees likes to throw to the TE from a SD homer. Some guy names gates. No seriously, I think he will be #3 in receptions for the saints behind colston and Bush and should put up respectible numbers for a TE.

Absolutely the #1 sleeper barring injury...big if there though. In 2004 he caught 82 for 825, 2 TD's in 14 games on a horrid SF team. That was with QB's like Tim Rattay and who knows who else.Now he is paired with Drew Brees. I also say he ends #3 in receptions.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Also, with the original poster's listing of Marcus Pollard, don't forget he's 35 years old. He had just 12 catches for 100 yards and 0 TDs last year in Detroit, that after catching 47 passes the year before. I think he's hit the wall.

COuld be. Could just as easily be that Martz has never ultilized the TE in his offense. They go to three wr's and check down to the rb instead.

 

[Mapmaker]

Dave Martin (ADP TE-24 / 237) has an excellent chance at being fantasy gold in the Miami offence this season ... Trent Green made a living utilizing the TE position in Kansas City with Tony Gonzalez ... sure Martin isn't Tony G ... but when your WR1 is Chris Chambers who historically has proven to be a below 50% catch/target receiver you have to consider Martin a serious contender for targets ... what he does with them will be up to him ... but management certainly didn't have any problem trading away RMcMichael and giving Martin a nice contract this offseason ... maybe they know something

The guy couldnt get it done in GB with Brett Favre who lead the league in pass attempts for the last few years. And he was blocked by such stalwarts as Franks & Lee. Plus he gets hurt all the time. There is no chance in hell he will do good now.

You may have a point, maybe not a good one and that's yet to be seen ... in 2005 Favre completed 22% of his receptions to the TE position, in 2006 16% .. so it appears the TE position isn't that vital of part of the GB offence ... whereas Green completed 27% and 34% respectively to the position during the same years ... a marked difference ... also don't forget that Cameron is a strong proponent for the TE playing an active part in the offence ... seems he had a guy named Gates playing the position in San Diego the past few seasons ...I'm not saying to go get Martin as your TE1 ... just that there are a very good number of indicators that he has excellent potential to be a sleeper candidate at the position ... and if you can add him as your TE2 at the end of your draft for a bye week filler he's worth serious consideration ... :X

 

[shadyridr]

Dave Martin (ADP TE-24 / 237) has an excellent chance at being fantasy gold in the Miami offence this season ... Trent Green made a living utilizing the TE position in Kansas City with Tony Gonzalez ... sure Martin isn't Tony G ... but when your WR1 is Chris Chambers who historically has proven to be a below 50% catch/target receiver you have to consider Martin a serious contender for targets ... what he does with them will be up to him ... but management certainly didn't have any problem trading away RMcMichael and giving Martin a nice contract this offseason ... maybe they know something

The guy couldnt get it done in GB with Brett Favre who lead the league in pass attempts for the last few years. And he was blocked by such stalwarts as Franks & Lee. Plus he gets hurt all the time. There is no chance in hell he will do good now.

You may have a point, maybe not a good one and that's yet to be seen ... in 2005 Favre completed 22% of his receptions to the TE position, in 2006 16% .. so it appears the TE position isn't that vital of part of the GB offence ... whereas Green completed 27% and 34% respectively to the position during the same years ... a marked difference ... also don't forget that Cameron is a strong proponent for the TE playing an active part in the offence ... seems he had a guy named Gates playing the position in San Diego the past few seasons ...I'm not saying to go get Martin as your TE1 ... just that there are a very good number of indicators that he has excellent potential to be a sleeper candidate at the position ... and if you can add him as your TE2 at the end of your draft for a bye week filler he's worth serious consideration ...

Youre looking at the stats all the wrong way. Green threw to Gonzo becuase he was a HOFer. Cameron used Gates cuz he is a future HOFer. Favre didnt throw to TEs often cuz the TEs on the roster stunk. When Bubba Franks was younger, Favre threw to him quite a bit. Plus Favre also threw to Keith Jackson and Jackie Harris a ton in the past. So it has nothing to do with Favre and all to do with the garbage GB has used at TE the last few years (and that includes Martin). Id rather take a late round flyer on just about every other TE mentioned in this thread such as Olsen, Scaife, Shiancoe, Johnson, Daniels, or Troupe.

 

[sho nuff]

Dave Martin (ADP TE-24 / 237) has an excellent chance at being fantasy gold in the Miami offence this season ... Trent Green made a living utilizing the TE position in Kansas City with Tony Gonzalez ... sure Martin isn't Tony G ... but when your WR1 is Chris Chambers who historically has proven to be a below 50% catch/target receiver you have to consider Martin a serious contender for targets ... what he does with them will be up to him ... but management certainly didn't have any problem trading away RMcMichael and giving Martin a nice contract this offseason ... maybe they know something

The guy couldnt get it done in GB with Brett Favre who lead the league in pass attempts for the last few years. And he was blocked by such stalwarts as Franks & Lee. Plus he gets hurt all the time. There is no chance in hell he will do good now.

You may have a point, maybe not a good one and that's yet to be seen ... in 2005 Favre completed 22% of his receptions to the TE position, in 2006 16% .. so it appears the TE position isn't that vital of part of the GB offence ... whereas Green completed 27% and 34% respectively to the position during the same years ... a marked difference ... also don't forget that Cameron is a strong proponent for the TE playing an active part in the offence ... seems he had a guy named Gates playing the position in San Diego the past few seasons ...I'm not saying to go get Martin as your TE1 ... just that there are a very good number of indicators that he has excellent potential to be a sleeper candidate at the position ... and if you can add him as your TE2 at the end of your draft for a bye week filler he's worth serious consideration ...

Umm...part of that is because the TEs freakin sucked catching the ball the past 2 years in GB.And Green completes alot to the TEs in KC because who were his other WRs? And he had Tony freakin Gonzalez.Martin is garbage.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Donald Lee is another sleeper in GB. I like Pollard, too, much more than others do.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Sleeper - Eric johnson - caught a lot of ball with the niners and I heard Brees likes to throw to the TE from a SD homer. Some guy names gates. No seriously, I think he will be #3 in receptions for the saints behind colston and Bush and should put up respectible numbers for a TE.

Unless he gets hurt.....in which case, keep your eye on Billy Miller.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Based on ADP, it seems Heath Miller is falling much further than he should. Same with Owen Daniels.

Another name that comes to mind is Marcedes Lewis. The Jags will be throwing much more to the TE position but there seems to be no discernible pecking order. If Lewis shines in camp, he could be in for a ton of targets but also may end up splitting evenly with Wiggins and Estandia.

 

[Rev]

Sleeper - Eric johnson - caught a lot of ball with the niners and I heard Brees likes to throw to the TE from a SD homer. Some guy names gates. No seriously, I think he will be #3 in receptions for the saints behind colston and Bush and should put up respectible numbers for a TE.

Was that SD homer named Antonio Gates? In any event, I heard from a Colts homer that Manning likes to throw to WRs. Johnson really could be in a nice situation though. My only issue in NO is that there are too many balls to go around. If Brees' tenure in SD is of any help in projections, then Bush will be used like LT, which leaves room for 1 other high receptions (Gates-type) player, or a handful of solid but not excellent producers. Last year it was Bush/Colston, but with the additions they've made, I see them spreading Colston's receptions out.

 

[David Yudkin]

Sleeper - Eric johnson - caught a lot of ball with the niners and I heard Brees likes to throw to the TE from a SD homer. Some guy names gates. No seriously, I think he will be #3 in receptions for the saints behind colston and Bush and should put up respectible numbers for a TE.

Absolutely the #1 sleeper barring injury...big if there though. In 2004 he caught 82 for 825, 2 TD's in 14 games on a horrid SF team. That was with QB's like Tim Rattay and who knows who else.Now he is paired with Drew Brees. I also say he ends #3 in receptions.

I would say not so fast on Johnson. He's been playing as the third TE so far in camp and there's talk of him working on his blocking skills with the other guys running the patterns. I'm not sure if we can read anything into that, but it does not appear that he's been playing with the first team offense at this point.

 

[perry147]

Sleeper...Jeff King...Carolina

He is my deep sleeper - I got him in my dynasty league with larger rosters.

 

[scratcher]

1. L. J. Smith (adp 10) Consistently top 10 guy. Will put up those kinds of numbers as long as McNabb is healthy. Has averaged within a point of the top 5 or 6 at his position the last two years. He is a solid fantasy starter.

dont forget its a contract year for him...

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Sleeper...Jeff King...Carolina

He is my deep sleeper - I got him in my dynasty league with larger rosters.

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[Donny Loved Bowling]

1. L. J. Smith (adp 10) Consistently top 10 guy. Will put up those kinds of numbers as long as McNabb is healthy. Has averaged within a point of the top 5 or 6 at his position the last two years. He is a solid fantasy starter.

dont forget its a contract year for him...

Also don't forget he is still rehabbing a sports hernia...

 

[JohnnyU]

The TE position has become a VERY deep position. Tons of decent TEs out there now. If there was ever a time to take a TE at the end of a draft, now's the time.

 

[Bri]

First of all nice post in sharing your thoughts and giving reasons and all. I might not agree with them all but I appreciate the post nonetheless.

1. L. J. Smith (adp 10) Consistently top 10 guy. Will put up those kinds of numbers as long as McNabb is healthy. Has averaged within a point of the top 5 or 6 at his position the last two years. He is a solid fantasy starter.

LJ week to week isn't very good. He had 2-3 especially nice weeks but otherwise he's quite average #s wise/FF wise. Top 10 is true but how many points above #15 or #18 if you don't count those super weeks for him? I like LJ for trades in season right after a high week. I don't think it's so wise to roll with him all season.

2. Witten (adp 9) Same as Smith, solid top 10 guy. He averaged 10 points a week the second half of the year after him and Romo had some time together. A full off-season with Romo will only help his numbers. Fantasy starter period.

Been discussed several times. Like him alot too, should improve upon TD numbers which is pretty much the only thing not putting him in the esp good TE tier. I would still predict very good things for him but I must admit I have a smidge of worry about Fasano.

3. Miller (adp12) New offensive system should help his value. He will get some looks in the middle of the field now, unlike just red zone targets in the past. The development of Holmes will open up the middle of the field for him more often. Can see him moving up to that 9+ ppg average that you need out of your starting TE. He’ll be a fantasy starter for someone.

Not sure how to take the TE in their new offense. History shows a definite cieling to Steeler TEs but that includes Cowher as their coach.

4. Scaife – (adp 22) Inconsistent last year with new starting QB, but had some nice games. Vince and him played together at Texas, so they have great chemistry. Not a lot of receiving options on the team. Still finished 17th on ppg average last year. He will finish inside the top 15 making him a borderline starter. Scaife, not Troupe, is the one to watch on this team.

Heimerdinger's O used the TE alot, McNair loved the TE. They're gone. I think the Scaife and Troupe owners need to come to grips with that

5. Pollard – (adp 20) Seattle like to throw to the TE, but got away from that last year. J. Stevens was a top 11 TE in 2005. Pollard might be the team’s third best receiving option. Pollard finished 16th in 2005 in Detroit. He’ll be a borderline starter also.

In your post you mention top 11, 16th, and borderline starter. I agree with that but that's nothing special in FF. That would give you the 2nd worst starter in a 12 team league, or worse.

SLEEPERS Miller (adp 21)– He’ll be the starting TE in Oakland. Had great size and will be a great target in the middle of the field. If he doesn’t have to stay in and block a lot, could pay off with some nice weeks. Olsen (adp 16) Catches everything and has great size and speed. Not a blocker, but could be moved out wide to make matchup problems. Eventually will be a stud. Depends on how much Clark takes away from him. They like to use two TE sets, and I can see Olson being like a slot in those formations.

As was said, rookie TEs just don't produce enough. There's been a couple but a real real real small percent of those that started as rookies.