Barlow to the Jets (1 Viewer)

[redman]

Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.

Wow, so one trade turned a guy (Houston)with a perceived inside track to the starting HB job into an expendable player? What draft pick did they give up for Barlow? Is it determined by performance, e.g. making the squad, certain # of carries/yards, etc.?

 

[nightshift]

Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.

Wow, so one trade turned a guy (Houston)with a perceived inside track to the starting HB job into an expendable player? What draft pick did they give up for Barlow? Is it determined by performance, e.g. making the squad, certain # of carries/yards, etc.?

they can send Washington to the practice squad.

 

[Rovers]

Hey Rovers --Were the Jets that unsold (is that a word?) on Washington, Houston and Blaylock that they felt they had to bring in someone, esp. someone of Barlow's questionable history?Or do you think it's more a fact that they are patching holes with Martin down and figure why not?You're the man on the street -- didn't the other guys look good?*edited for icky typos

Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.

I find it VERY difficult to believe that the Jets would give up a 4th round pick for a guy who has any chance of being cut in less than 2 weeks.

Then you don't know Mangini very well. Do they expect Barlow will make the team? Yes. Do they think Barlow will be the starter? Probably. However, if he shows up and doesn't look good, yes, these guys would keep the player that they think is the best. Mangini just cut his personally favorite player, Hartigan. They are a very cold hearted "it buisness" operation now, and they don't care at all what the press may say about them. If they think getting Barlow was a mistake after evaluating him at camp and in the next two preseason games, yes, they would cut him. At this point in time, they obviously think he's better than what they now have, but if he fails to live up to that expectation on the field, yeah, they would turn him loose. They could care less about admitting to having made a mistake... they will keep what they think are the best players, and NOTHING seems to influence their decisions outside of that.

 

[Rovers]

Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.

Wow, so one trade turned a guy (Houston)with a perceived inside track to the starting HB job into an expendable player? What draft pick did they give up for Barlow? Is it determined by performance, e.g. making the squad, certain # of carries/yards, etc.?

they can send Washington to the practice squad.

They can, but I highly doubt that... he got the start against Washington, and he took a KO to the house. He's the fastest and shiftiest of the whole group. I would be absolutely shocked if he went to the PS.... shocked. Tomorrow at TC should be very interesting.... I'll post what I see.

 

[Big Score]

Not being sarcastic, but after what happened with Suggs, does anyone know if Barlow has passed the Jets physical yet?

 

[NoFBinLA]

Hey Rovers --Were the Jets that unsold (is that a word?) on Washington, Houston and Blaylock that they felt they had to bring in someone, esp. someone of Barlow's questionable history?Or do you think it's more a fact that they are patching holes with Martin down and figure why not?You're the man on the street -- didn't the other guys look good?*edited for icky typos

Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.

Thanks Rovers -- big Jet fan stuck out here west and I knew you'd be the guy to ask, since you get to the camps. I had to figure they weren't completely sold on anybody since they were working SO hard to find another RB...

 

[Z-Dog]

Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.

Wow, so one trade turned a guy (Houston)with a perceived inside track to the starting HB job into an expendable player? What draft pick did they give up for Barlow? Is it determined by performance, e.g. making the squad, certain # of carries/yards, etc.?

I don't know why Rovers believes that the Jets will only keep 5 RBs. I suspect that they will keep 6.

 

[switz]

Wow, so one trade turned a guy (Houston)with a perceived inside track to the starting HB job into an expendable player?

What draft pick did they give up for Barlow? Is it determined by performance, e.g. making the squad, certain # of carries/yards, etc.?

Good choice of words. Obviously, the perception was wrong. Simply because he was the backup does not mean the Jets felt he was a suitable long term replacement for Martin. And now that Martin looks like he is lost for a long term basis, they required a different alternative. So they traded for Suggs and Barlow. Suggs obviously fell through, so the Barlow trade happened.Interestingly, they were trying to trade for Barlow in the offseason, and the 9ers said no. So it is likely Barlow was the Jets first choice, and Gore's emergence paired with perhaps the Jets willingness to pay a bit more, made Barlow expendable to the 9ers.

And with Barlow being there, it does make Houston expendable.

 

[Rovers]

Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.

Wow, so one trade turned a guy (Houston)with a perceived inside track to the starting HB job into an expendable player? What draft pick did they give up for Barlow? Is it determined by performance, e.g. making the squad, certain # of carries/yards, etc.?

I don't know why Rovers believes that the Jets will only keep 5 RBs. I suspect that they will keep 6.

Last year, they did keep 6, but I suspect that the third FB will go to the TS for depth. Could they keep 6? Sure, there's a chance of that. Some of the other roster decisions will impact this, I think. The Jets kept 4 TE's last year, and that was only because Dearth is the long snapper. I noticed Missant got some LS's against Washington, and if they can cut Dearth, that would open the door for a 6th RB. But... and I've been told I'm all wrong... I still think there is a long shot that they may keep all 4 QB's. They still have to be worried about Pennington's health, and Ramsey just hasn't looked that good. Bollinger can keep drives going when he tucks and runs, and is an ideal #2-3 QB in this short passing offense. Clemens is going nowhere....I said it was likely to keep 5, but 6 RB's wouldn't be a surprise either, but I think they'd rather make that 6th a FB who can play ST's. Askew's ability to fill in at RB may make Houston expendable. Heck, they may even look at Houston to be the reciving FB, making Askew's job a question mark. They are about the same size, and niether is a typical blocking FB. The Jets also just aquired Jamar Martin from NO and have Pouha's second cousin, Moa still hanging around at the FB position. Tutt appears to have the #1 blocking FB job in hand. I'll know a bit more tomorow....

 

[NoFBinLA]

I'll know a bit more tomorow....

Look forward to hearing more about it - do we know if Barlow is slotted to be in tomorrow?

 

[MKB4®]

49ers save 2.5 million in cap money trading RB Barlow

Written by: Matt Maiocco ¦ 8/21/2006

Source: 49ers.pressdemocrat.com

If you're wondering what kind of consequences the Kevan Barlow trade has on the 49ers' salary cap, well, it's minimal.

The 49ers were scheduled to pay Barlow $2.5 million in salary. They're off the hook for that. All he'll count against this year's cap is the approximate $1.9 million, as part of his pro-rated bonus money. Therefore, the club saves $2.5 million on the cap.

The 49ers were approximately $8 million under the cap, so now they're more than $10.5 million UNDER. With that money, they might be able to sign some guys to contract extensions before they arrive on the free-agent market. Players whose deals are set to expire at the end of the season are DE Bryant Young, DT Anthony Adams, RB Maurice Hicks and SS Tony Parrish.

Next year, the remaining approximate $3.8 million of Barlow's original bonus money will count against the cap. Next year, the cap will rise $7 million per team, from $102M to $109M.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com

 

[EBF]

I think this is much more about Gore than Barlow. The 49ers can ill afford to jettison a player of any real value given their depth. The fact that they were willing to part ways with Barlow, despite his talent, and palatable contract, is a very tangible indication that the 49ers coaching staff feels Frank Gore is not only up to the challenge but is also healthy enough to play games with a less proven backup RB stable.

I do think the 49ers have a lot of confidence in Gore, but you also have to realize that Mike Nolan has been very quick to get rid of the previous regime's players. Since he's arrived, he's traded away Ken Dorsey, Mike Rumph, Kevan Barlow, Brandon Lloyd, Cody Pickett and Jamie Winborn. Nolan seems to be very big on finding guys who buy into his system. Barlow has always been known as a me-first player, so I don't think it should come as any great surprise that the 49ers were ready to ship him off once a decent offer came through. It looks like a risky move on the surface given Gore's injury history, but Maurice Hicks has performed adequately in spot duty and the team seems to like Michael Robinson.

 

[Z-Dog]

Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.

Wow, so one trade turned a guy (Houston)with a perceived inside track to the starting HB job into an expendable player? What draft pick did they give up for Barlow? Is it determined by performance, e.g. making the squad, certain # of carries/yards, etc.?

I don't know why Rovers believes that the Jets will only keep 5 RBs. I suspect that they will keep 6.

Last year, they did keep 6, but I suspect that the third FB will go to the TS for depth. Could they keep 6? Sure, there's a chance of that. Some of the other roster decisions will impact this, I think. The Jets kept 4 TE's last year, and that was only because Dearth is the long snapper. I noticed Missant got some LS's against Washington, and if they can cut Dearth, that would open the door for a 6th RB. But... and I've been told I'm all wrong... I still think there is a long shot that they may keep all 4 QB's. They still have to be worried about Pennington's health, and Ramsey just hasn't looked that good. Bollinger can keep drives going when he tucks and runs, and is an ideal #2-3 QB in this short passing offense. Clemens is going nowhere....I said it was likely to keep 5, but 6 RB's wouldn't be a surprise either, but I think they'd rather make that 6th a FB who can play ST's. Askew's ability to fill in at RB may make Houston expendable. Heck, they may even look at Houston to be the reciving FB, making Askew's job a question mark. They are about the same size, and niether is a typical blocking FB. The Jets also just aquired Jamar Martin from NO and have Pouha's second cousin, Moa still hanging around at the FB position. Tutt appears to have the #1 blocking FB job in hand. I'll know a bit more tomorow....

Houston has played a bit of FB, and from everythng I've seen, he's not a disappointment as a runner or pass-blocker, he's just got slippery hands a little. I guess I find it hard to believe that the Jets will not have Curtis Martin but will carry fewer RBs on the roster even though there is no clear starter. I'm not sure how the roster math comes together, but I'd be shocked if the Jets decided to keep Ramsey or Bollinger over Houston. Actually, I think that Ramsey is the one who will be cut unless he does something to impress in a preseason game. Right now, it's shaping up to be a Bollinger vs. Ramsey showdown in the final preseason game for that last spot.

 

[jurb26]

Congrats to the NY Jets. They have just assured themselves of the biggest fantasy RB mess in the NFL. Teams like Den, Chi, Tenn, Indy and Jack haven't got a leg to stand on in this debate anymore.

 

[redman]

Congrats to the NY Jets. They have just assured themselves of the biggest fantasy RB mess in the NFL. Teams like Den, Chi, Tenn, Indy and Jack haven't got a leg to stand on in this debate anymore.

Tell me about it. I just traded for Cedric Houston ten days ago. We'll see how this shakes out I guess.

 

[jurb26]

Congrats to the NY Jets. They have just assured themselves of the biggest fantasy RB mess in the NFL. Teams like Den, Chi, Tenn, Indy and Jack haven't got a leg to stand on in this debate anymore.

Tell me about it. I just traded for Cedric Houston ten days ago. We'll see how this shakes out I guess.

Yeah, I have owned Houtson sinse he was a Rookie. I'd really just like to know what I shoudl do with this butt right now. Should I cut him or keep him? Will he be given a chance to play or with it be a royal cluster ?

 

[Sopranos]

Barlow practiced today. IMO its his job to lose

 

[jurb26]

IMO its his job to lose

This line and Barlow are used far to frequenlty in the same sentance....

 

[NoFBinLA]

from Kffl:

Jets | Mangini comments on Barlow

Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:12:47 -0700

During his press conference Monday, Aug. 21, New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini commented on the addition of RB Kevan Barlow. "He is a bigger back, he catches the ball well out of the backfield, he's got the ability to make people miss, all those things I thought were positives. He's been productive and I think he adds good depth and competition to the position."

 

[switz]

"He's been productive and I think he adds good depth and competition to the position."

Coach speak for: To the guys that were here, no disrespect, but you don't have a shot anymore.

 

[Bri]

Barlow practiced today. IMO its his job to lose

What about if Curtis comes back?

 

[NoFBinLA]

"He's been productive and I think he adds good depth and competition to the position."

Coach speak for: To the guys that were here, no disrespect, but you don't have a shot anymore.

Translated: 'Someone said 'Barlow' and I got a big fat morning woody. I'm crazy liek that.'This trade could sink or swim the new regime. If he does well they are genius - anythign less and hordes of folks in NY/NJ will wonder what the hell they were smoking....