Baseball scoring question (1 Viewer)

[MattFancy]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

Why is the runner out? He didn't interfere with the play. To me, it sounds similar to a fan interference play. The runner isn't punished for that. The ball is dead and he stops at whatever base he was on.

 

[jon_mx]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

If it is a fan or other person not on the team, the play is just dead and it is the umpire's discretion to award an extra base. If it is a player, the player who most likely could have been thrown out is declared out.

 

[jon_mx]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

Why is the runner out? He didn't interfere with the play. To me, it sounds similar to a fan interference play. The runner isn't punished for that. The ball is dead and he stops at whatever base he was on.

Because someone on the runner's team was somewhere where he was not suppose to be so the team is penalized. Otherwise players could intentionally interfere with a ball to prevent an out. Different rule than fan interference.

 

[Godsbrother]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

Why is the runner out? He didn't interfere with the play. To me, it sounds similar to a fan interference play. The runner isn't punished for that. The ball is dead and he stops at whatever base he was on.

It wasn't a fan it was a member of the offensive team. If the umpire feels that the opposing team interfered with the play he can call the runner out.

 

[MattFancy]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

If it is a fan or other person not on the team, the play is just dead and it is the umpire's discretion to award an extra base. If it is a player, the player who most likely could have been thrown out is declared out.

Yeah after reading a bit more, it sounds like it's up to the umpire to decide if the player intentionally interfered with the ball.

His call of "would have gone out of play, so he's safe" doesn't seem like it makes sense. It should have either been a dead ball or the the runner is out due to interference of his teammate.

 

[The Commish]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

Runner wouldn't be out. They should have to go back to the last base earned prior to the interference.

 

[jon_mx]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

Runner wouldn't be out. They should have to go back to the last base earned prior to the interference.

Rules on offensive interference (which includes offensive players not involved in the play) results in an out.

 

[MattFancy]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

Runner wouldn't be out. They should have to go back to the last base earned prior to the interference.

Rules on offensive interference (which includes offensive players not involved in the play) results in an out.

Right, if the ump thinks it was intentional, he can declare the runner out. If he doesn't think it was intentional, the ball is dead and the runner returns to the previous base.

Either way, the ump's original call was totally wrong.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

Runner wouldn't be out. They should have to go back to the last base earned prior to the interference.

Rules on offensive interference (which includes offensive players not involved in the play) results in an out.

Right, if the ump thinks it was intentional, he can declare the runner out. If he doesn't think it was intentional, the ball is dead and the runner returns to the previous base.

Either way, the ump's original call was totally wrong.

It didn't hit a player. It hit a bucket. What happens if the bat boy leaves a bat in front of the dugout and the ball hits it? Is that an automatic out?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

Runner wouldn't be out. They should have to go back to the last base earned prior to the interference.

Rules on offensive interference (which includes offensive players not involved in the play) results in an out.

Right, if the ump thinks it was intentional, he can declare the runner out. If he doesn't think it was intentional, the ball is dead and the runner returns to the previous base.

Either way, the ump's original call was totally wrong.

It didn't hit a player. It hit a bucket. What happens if the bat boy leaves a bat in front of the dugout and the ball hits it? Is that an automatic out?

nevermind, looked it up. would be equipment left on field. dead ball as soon as it touches.

Only the batter's bat would not cause such a call.

 

[The Commish]

Someone tell me they agree with me and the umpire is wrong here (14 and 15 year olds):

Kid steals second and the catcher throws the ball into center field. Runner goes for third and the CF makes a bad throw, which heads toward the dugout. A player from the hitting team is sitting on a baseball bucket and is in the field of play. The ball hits the bucket and the pitcher who was backing up the throw at third gets the ball and throws the runner out who was running from third to home. The home plate umpire says the runner is safe because the ball "would have" gone out of play.

My feelings: One, clearly the player and bucket should not be in play. Since they were, there is no way I'm letting the offending team benefit from that as I dont feel you can make a judgment on what "would have" happened. Its clearly interference IMO. I would have called the runner out or at the very least, called it a dead ball and sent the runner back to third.

What say you, FBGs?

Sounds to me like the ball should have been declared dead as soon as it touched the ball bucket and called interference. Runner is out.

Runner wouldn't be out. They should have to go back to the last base earned prior to the interference.

Rules on offensive interference (which includes offensive players not involved in the play) results in an out.

If the ump thinks it's intentional, sure. I didn't see that anywhere though.

 

[belljr]

Ump may have been correct

http://www.nytravelbaseball.com/JOHN121514.html

 

[Cjw_55106]

Definitly was not intentional. I agree with others that it should have been a dead ball. My son's coach was pretty upset and at one point in the discussion, told the players on our bench to move all of their equipment onto the field.

 

[Godsbrother]

Definitly was not intentional. I agree with others that it should have been a dead ball. My son's coach was pretty upset and at one point in the discussion, told the players on our bench to move all of their equipment onto the field.

If not intentional and the umpire felt the ball would have gone out of play then I think he made the right call.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Definitly was not intentional. I agree with others that it should have been a dead ball. My son's coach was pretty upset and at one point in the discussion, told the players on our bench to move all of their equipment onto the field.

He should have spent more time focusing on teaching them not to overthrow the ball twice on the same play. If the ball hit the bucket or not doesn't really matter. If the centerfielder overthrows a guy taking third, what are the odds that he gets thrown out if it doesn't hit a bucket? That would have to be the slowest baserunner ever.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Definitly was not intentional. I agree with others that it should have been a dead ball. My son's coach was pretty upset and at one point in the discussion, told the players on our bench to move all of their equipment onto the field.

He should have spent more time focusing on teaching them not to overthrow the ball twice on the same play. If the ball hit the bucket or not doesn't really matter. If the centerfielder overthrows a guy taking third, what are the odds that he gets thrown out if it doesn't hit a bucket? That would have to be the slowest baserunner ever.

If the ball doesnt hit the bucket, it may have hit the fence in front of the dugout. It doesnt take a slow runner to get thrown out when the pitcher is backing up third and is close by. Your first sentence is just ignorant.

 

[Chemical X]

A fielder chasing after an overthrown, loose ball, is not a play. However, an out could be called if the offense did something intentional and blatant to hinder the fielder. Otherwise, it is nothing.