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Bass N’ Brew Dirty Baker’s Dozen (1 Viewer)

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Note: ADP based on three January drafts 1/2/3/1/1/1 lineup (best ball). 1 pt ppr (2 pt ppr TE), 1 pt / 10 yd rush and rec, 1 pt / 20 yd pass, all TDs = 6.

Shout out to ffweasel ADP Spreadsheet

The things we do to avoid tax preparation. As you read this, keep in mind that I tried to highlight value plays from the top to bottom of the draft and across all positions. Obviously the list could be deeper at RB/WR if I solely focused there and there are tons of sleepers out there. I also tried to stay focused on value plays that were stat or situational based rather then gut based (except for one instance).

Jay Cutler QB17 – I’ll admit that I was a detractor last year and think Shanahan kissed the season good bye pre-maturely. That said Cutler posted QB9 numbers during his starting role on a ppg basis. Cutler offers solid value as viable situational starter at this draft position.

Matt Hasselbeck QB8 – Last year most experts had him ranked in the top five. Hasselbeck has finished the fantasy in the top five twice in the last four years. I haven’t seen any changes in Seattle that would suggest a regression in the passing game. Branch should be adapted to the system in his second year and there are several other WR options on the roster even if DJax departs. Furthermore, a division which includes STL, SF, and ARI lends itself. Good players coming off injuries often offer opportunity.

Laurence Maroney RB17 – Interestingly enough his ADP was only a few spots behind this last year. Going to the tape, Maroney posted numbers of 175-745-6 rushing and 22-194-1 receiving in 14 games. I like those numbers, especially the receptions in split duty during a rookie campaign. If Maroney becomes the guy, his upside is huge in the NE system. I see 2006 as the absolute floor and really believe that Belichick was limiting his action as a rookie to keep him from hitting the wall as the Pats generally play more games than most teams.

Lamont Jordan RB24 - Last year he was being drafted in the mid to late first and I warned of a bust. This year you can get him in the fifth round. Why was I waving the bust flag…Art Shell and his motel manager. Fast forward and 2007 brings a piece of the USC offensive juggernaut to hold the reigns. Kiffin has already stated there will be changes to the offensive. I wonder if the guy who watched Bush might notice that Jordan had 70 receptions in 2005? His drop-off in receiving numbers alone was about 120 ff points. The 2006 Raiders offense was a mess and Jordan’s stock has fallen accordingly. Ask yourself, is he any less skilled then he was in 2005?

Damanick Williams RB46 – Who??? Per the blogger/ESPN…HOUSTON -- Domanick Davis appeared in Houston's locker room Monday with a new haircut and a new attitude. But the biggest change is in his name. "I'm a new man," he said. "That was Domanick Davis that y'all knew about. This is Domanick Williams that y'all looking at." Williams said he is feeling great and he can't wait to get back on the field. "I wouldn't say I'm 100 percent, but its close," he said. "It's on its way and it's going real good. My knee is allowing me to lift heavy weight without swelling up and that was the biggest

problem I had." I’ll take this risk with the upside in the 12th-14th round. Hey FBG.com, up date your site to reflect the correct name.

TJ Duckett RB62 – Call it a gut feeling, but I see him wearing Panther teal and black. Fox longs for a bruiser RB and will sign someone in the Stephan Davis mold this off season. Grab him now before he signs as his price will go up. Definitely worth a stab with your last round pick.

Terrell Owens WR9 – Yeah, I can stand him either. Fact of the matter is that he’s finished in the top five WR on a ppg basis in 6 of the last 7 years and never lower than WR9 during those years. He’s the second best WR in the game behind Steve Smith and about 2 rounds undervalued. If your league let’s the LT owner select him, I hope that you have a monetary prize for second place.

Javon Walker WR14 – This could be the biggest bargain of the year. He finished 2006 as WR9 people…after changing teams…coming off a major knee injury…with a rookie QB for half the year. He broke every fantasy football rule in the book. Last year’s production was his floor for this year. Walker is a top five WR.

Terrance Copper WR78 – At this stage in the off season, Copper is a must have flyer for me. Horn could very well be gone and Copper could be lining up across form Colsten. This is the game that stood out to me http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061112_NO@PIT Horn out, Colsten healthy, and Henderson available. Henderson is being drafted much higher, but I see him as the third WR. Regardless, WR flyers are best spent on players that play for explosive offenses.

Randy Michael TE12 – Three things you can count on; death, taxes (me putting them off), and McMichael being the last available third tier TE available in your draft. He finished 9th last year in the 2 ppr format with an unsettled QB situation and sparse TDs.

Eric Johnson TE26 – Johnson finished ranked #22 in 2 ppr leagues despite missing 4 games. Not sure of his home team this year, but he could land in a very good situation. You just can’t pass on top ten talent as the beer is running low at the draft.

John Kasey K17 – Don’t draft a kicker early. Kasey went 24/27 last year, with all three misses beyond 50+. Speaking of which, if you’re in a distance based league, he was 8/8 from 40-49 and 4/7 from 50+. I expect the Panthers offensive to bounce back enough to increase Kasy’s opportunities.

Joe Nedney K20 – Just wanted to remind you that he finished ranked #7 last year.

 
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I honestly wonder if Walker will be the same player after Williams' murder. I know if shouldn't affect his playing ability, but it might.

 
Note: ADP based on three January drafts 1/2/3/1/1/1 lineup (best ball). 1 pt ppr (2 pt ppr TE), 1 pt / 10 yd rush and rec, 1 pt / 20 yd pass, all TDs = 6.

Shoot out to ffweasel ADP Spreadsheet

The things we do to avoid tax preparation. As you read this, keep in mind that I tried to highlight value plays from the top to bottom of the draft and across all positions. Obviously the list could be deeper at RB/WR if I solely focused there and there are tons of sleepers out there. I also tried to stay focused on value plays that were stat or situational based rather then gut based (except for one instance).

Jay Cutler QB17 – I’ll admit that I was a detractor last year and think Shanahan kissed the season good bye pre-maturely. That said Cutler posted QB9 numbers during his starting role on a ppg basis. Cutler offers solid value as viable situational starter at this draft position.

Matt Hasselbeck QB8 – Last year most experts had him ranked in the top five. Hasselbeck has finished the fantasy in the top five twice in the last four years. I haven’t seen any changes in Seattle that would suggest a regression in the passing game. Branch should be adapted to the system in his second year and there are several other WR options on the roster even if DJax departs. Furthermore, a division which includes STL, SF, and ARI lends itself. Good players coming off injuries often offer opportunity.

Laurence Maroney RB17 – Interestingly enough his ADP was only a few spots behind this last year. Going to the tape, Maroney posted numbers of 175-745-6 rushing and 22-194-1 receiving in 14 games. I like those numbers, especially the receptions in split duty during a rookie campaign. If Maroney becomes the guy, his upside is huge in the NE system. I see 2006 as the absolute floor and really believe that Belichick was limiting his action as a rookie to keep him from hitting the wall as the Pats generally play more games than most teams.

Lamont Jordan RB24 - Last year he was being drafted in the mid to late first and I warned of a bust. This year you can get him in the fifth round. Why was I waving the bust flag…Art Shell and his motel manager. Fast forward and 2007 brings a piece of the USC offensive juggernaut to hold the reigns. Kiffin has already stated there will be changes to the offensive. I wonder if the guy who watched Bush might notice that Jordan had 70 receptions in 2005? His drop-off in receiving numbers alone was about 120 ff points. The 2006 Raiders offense was a mess and Jordan’s stock has fallen accordingly. Ask yourself, is he any less skilled then he was in 2005?

Damanick Williams RB46 – Who??? Per the blogger/ESPN…HOUSTON -- Domanick Davis appeared in Houston's locker room Monday with a new haircut and a new attitude. But the biggest change is in his name. "I'm a new man," he said. "That was Domanick Davis that y'all knew about. This is Domanick Williams that y'all looking at." Williams said he is feeling great and he can't wait to get back on the field. "I wouldn't say I'm 100 percent, but its close," he said. "It's on its way and it's going real good. My knee is allowing me to lift heavy weight without swelling up and that was the biggest

problem I had." I’ll take this risk with the upside in the 12th-14th round. Hey FBG.com, up date your site to reflect the correct name.

TJ Duckett RB62 – Call it a gut feeling, but I see him wearing Panther teal and black. Fox longs for a bruiser RB and will sign someone in the Stephan Davis mold this off season. Grab him now before he signs as his price will go up. Definitely worth a stab with your last round pick.

Terrell Owens WR9 – Yeah, I can stand him either. Fact of the matter is that he’s finished in the top five WR on a ppg basis in 6 of the last 7 years and never lower than WR9 during those years. He’s the second best WR in the game behind Steve Smith and about 2 rounds undervalued. If your league let’s the LT owner select him, I hope that you have a monetary prize for second place.

Javon Walker WR14 – This could be the biggest bargain of the year. He finished 2006 as WR9 people…after changing teams…coming off a major knee injury…with a rookie QB for half the year. He broke every fantasy football rule in the book. Last year’s production was his floor for this year. Walker is a top five WR.

Terrance Copper WR78 – At this stage in the off season, Copper is a must have flyer for me. Horn could very well be gone and Copper could be lining up across form Colsten. This is the game that stood out to me http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061112_NO@PIT Horn out, Colsten healthy, and Henderson available. Henderson is being drafted much higher, but I see him as the third WR. Regardless, WR flyers are best spent on players that play for explosive offenses.

Randy Michael TE12 – Three things you can count on; death, taxes (me putting them off), and McMichael being the last available third tier TE available in your draft. He finished 9th last year in the 2 ppr format with an unsettled QB situation and sparse TDs.

Eric Johnson TE26 – Johnson finished ranked #22 in 2 ppr leagues despite missing 4 games. Not sure of his home team this year, but he could land in a very good situation. You just can’t pass on top ten talent as the beer is running low at the draft.

John Kasey K17 – Don’t draft a kicker early. Kasey went 24/27 last year, with all three misses beyond 50+. Speaking of which, if you’re in a distance based league, he was 8/8 from 40-49 and 4/7 from 50+. I expect the Panthers offensive to bounce back enough to increase Kasy’s opportunities.

Joe Nedney K20 – Just wanted to remind you that he finished ranked #7 last year.
:lmao: I traded for J Walker and Copper recently, for just the same reasons. Also picked up E Johnson in the hopes that he'll start somewhere else (though SF says they want to re-sign him).

Id

 
I honestly wonder if Walker will be the same player after Williams' murder. I know if shouldn't affect his playing ability, but it might.
Absolutely, Walker is useless now. Cutler ignored him like the plague last year, too.
You guys laugh now, but give me the credit when he under performs next season.
I agree with you 100%, but Cutler is the reason.Walker saw his FF PPG plummet by 33% with Cutler at QB in PPR formats.With Plummer he averaged 4.25 receptions 71.2 yards receiving 0.5 TD per game (120 yard rush & 1 TD)But with Cutler at QB he dropped to 3.6 receptions 46 yards receiving and 0.4 TD catches per game (only 3 yards rushing)Plummer made him a top 10 FF WR, Cutler made him a borderline WR3.
 
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I honestly wonder if Walker will be the same player after Williams' murder. I know if shouldn't affect his playing ability, but it might.
Absolutely, Walker is useless now. Cutler ignored him like the plague last year, too.
You guys laugh now, but give me the credit when he under performs next season.
I agree with you 100%, but Cutler is the reason.Walker saw his FF PPG plummet by 33% with Cutler at QB in PPR formats.With Plummer he averaged 4.25 receptions 71.2 yards receiving 0.5 TD per game (120 yard rush & 1 TD)But with Cutler at QB he dropped to 3.6 receptions 46 yards receiving and 0.4 TD catches per game (only 3 yards rushing)Plummer made him a top 10 FF WR, Cutler made him a borderline WR3.
Hmmm...I'm sniffing my annual FBG.com free subscription bet.
 
I honestly wonder if Walker will be the same player after Williams' murder. I know if shouldn't affect his playing ability, but it might.
Absolutely, Walker is useless now. Cutler ignored him like the plague last year, too.
You guys laugh now, but give me the credit when he under performs next season.
I agree with you 100%, but Cutler is the reason.Walker saw his FF PPG plummet by 33% with Cutler at QB in PPR formats.With Plummer he averaged 4.25 receptions 71.2 yards receiving 0.5 TD per game (120 yard rush & 1 TD)But with Cutler at QB he dropped to 3.6 receptions 46 yards receiving and 0.4 TD catches per game (only 3 yards rushing)Plummer made him a top 10 FF WR, Cutler made him a borderline WR3.
Hmmm...I'm sniffing my annual FBG.com free subscription bet.
Walker top 5????? Never happen. I'll take that in a heartbeat.
 
Nice job Bass :thumbup: (and Dustin for providing the ADP values) It's a tad early for me to start any serious looks at value plays with all the changes about to take place, but you present an excellent- thought out- list here. Nice :D

RW

 
I honestly wonder if Walker will be the same player after Williams' murder. I know if shouldn't affect his playing ability, but it might.
Absolutely, Walker is useless now. Cutler ignored him like the plague last year, too.
You guys laugh now, but give me the credit when he under performs next season.
I agree with you 100%, but Cutler is the reason.Walker saw his FF PPG plummet by 33% with Cutler at QB in PPR formats.

With Plummer he averaged 4.25 receptions 71.2 yards receiving 0.5 TD per game (120 yard rush & 1 TD)

But with Cutler at QB he dropped to 3.6 receptions 46 yards receiving and 0.4 TD catches per game (only 3 yards rushing)

Plummer made him a top 10 FF WR, Cutler made him a borderline WR3.
Hmmm...I'm sniffing my annual FBG.com free subscription bet.
Walker top 5????? Never happen. I'll take that in a heartbeat.
Cutler made him a borderline WR3
 
Actually it's the doubt being expressed here in this very thread that will propel Walker into a value play in 2007. It's a gamble I will certainly look to capitalize on on draft day.

RW

 
1. Smith

2. Owens

3. Wayne

4. Housh

5. Walker

6. Holt

7. CJ

8. Fitz

9. Harrison

10. Williams/Boldin

 
Yeah, but I want to totally fleece you so I'll set the bar at WR15 or better...definately WR2 material. I'm even giving you the solid WR3 range.Where do you have him ranked?
Do you back pedal in your triathlons, too?My previous post showed that with Culter, his PPG avg. was consistent with a WR3 in a 12 team format in 2006, which was fact. I did not predict where he would finish this season, but you did with a #5 WR projection for 2007. This is statisitically impossible.

(Right now, I think he'll go at pick 5.12 in CHUG this year based on mocks I've done so far...subject to change, of course ;) )

 
Yeah, but I want to totally fleece you so I'll set the bar at WR15 or better...definately WR2 material. I'm even giving you the solid WR3 range.Where do you have him ranked?
Do you back pedal in your triathlons, too?My previous post showed that with Culter, his PPG avg. was consistent with a WR3 in a 12 team format in 2006, which was fact. I did not predict where he would finish this season, but you did with a #5 WR projection for 2007. This is statisitically impossible.

(Right now, I think he'll go at pick 5.12 in CHUG this year based on mocks I've done so far...subject to change, of course :shrug: )
If he slips that far, imagine how far MJD will slide.No back pedal here, I just choose to enter into wagers that are basically locks. Still looking for your ranking to get this thread back on track.

PS: The amount of triathlon back pedaling is directly proportional to how hot she is.

 
If he slips that far, imagine how far MJD will slide.

:bs: :shrug:

No back pedal here, I just choose to enter into wagers that are basically locks. Still looking for your ranking to get this thread back on track.

WR6? :yes:

PS: The amount of triathlon back pedaling is directly proportional to how hot she is.

Considering you'd still date a hot chick even if she was an NC State fan, I know the sacrifices you'll make to get some fine tail...and I have no problem with that!
 
I honestly wonder if Walker will be the same player after Williams' murder. I know if shouldn't affect his playing ability, but it might.
Absolutely, Walker is useless now. Cutler ignored him like the plague last year, too.
You guys laugh now, but give me the credit when he under performs next season.
Huh? will Cutler get worse? will his knee that was recovering for the ACL get worse? :shrug:
 
I honestly wonder if Walker will be the same player after Williams' murder. I know if shouldn't affect his playing ability, but it might.
Absolutely, Walker is useless now. Cutler ignored him like the plague last year, too.
:yes: nice expression. H.K.: "When the black death comes to your door just ignore it and you will be fine". :shrug:
Lots of people here have me on ignore, and they seem to be doing OK. :bs:
 
I honestly wonder if Walker will be the same player after Williams' murder. I know if shouldn't affect his playing ability, but it might.
Absolutely, Walker is useless now. Cutler ignored him like the plague last year, too.
:bs: nice expression. H.K.: "When the black death comes to your door just ignore it and you will be fine". :yes:
Thanks for the contribution. :shrug:
Walker averaged over 8 targets a game with Plummer (high of 13).With Cutler at QB, the most targets Walker ever got was 8.

 
Reggie Brown looked like great value in the WSL's.A couple quick overvalued players:Willie ParkerVince YoungKellen Winslow II
Agree with all three. Portis looks like a nice value play, especially if you're able to get Betts to cover him in the mid rounds.Nice work Bass. :)
 
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Damanick Williams RB46 – Who??? Per the blogger/ESPN…HOUSTON -- Domanick Davis appeared in Houston's locker room Monday with a new haircut and a new attitude. But the biggest change is in his name. "I'm a new man," he said. "That was Domanick Davis that y'all knew about. This is Domanick Williams that y'all looking at." Williams said he is feeling great and he can't wait to get back on the field. "I wouldn't say I'm 100 percent, but its close," he said. "It's on its way and it's going real good. My knee is allowing me to lift heavy weight without swelling up and that was the biggest

problem I had." I’ll take this risk with the upside in the 12th-14th round. Hey FBG.com, up date your site to reflect the correct name.
I was looking for more info on DW and found this:
According to a report aired by radio station KBME-AM in Houston, the Texans have asked Domanick Williams, Seth Payne, and Kailee Wong to restructure their contracts. Any failure to renegotiate terms with the team before March 2nd, the official start to the new league year, will likely result in that player's release.
www.houstonprofootball.com
 
Damanick Williams RB46 – Who??? Per the blogger/ESPN…HOUSTON -- Domanick Davis appeared in Houston's locker room Monday with a new haircut and a new attitude. But the biggest change is in his name. "I'm a new man," he said. "That was Domanick Davis that y'all knew about. This is Domanick Williams that y'all looking at." Williams said he is feeling great and he can't wait to get back on the field. "I wouldn't say I'm 100 percent, but its close," he said. "It's on its way and it's going real good. My knee is allowing me to lift heavy weight without swelling up and that was the biggest

problem I had." I’ll take this risk with the upside in the 12th-14th round. Hey FBG.com, up date your site to reflect the correct name.
I was looking for more info on DW and found this:
According to a report aired by radio station KBME-AM in Houston, the Texans have asked Domanick Williams, Seth Payne, and Kailee Wong to restructure their contracts. Any failure to renegotiate terms with the team before March 2nd, the official start to the new league year, will likely result in that player's release.
www.houstonprofootball.com
He will never play another doen of football. He is still in pain. Considering that a whole year and almost half have past thats not a good sign.
 
TJ Duckett RB62 – Call it a gut feeling, but I see him wearing Panther teal and black. Fox longs for a bruiser RB and will sign someone in the Stephan Davis mold this off season. Grab him now before he signs as his price will go up. Definitely worth a stab with your last round pick.
I like this call. It would be a nice fit for both parties.
 
That's a great list, Bass. I predict at least a 50% direct hit ratio.

On Walker... There's no way (barring injury) he finishes in the 20's among wideouts. First, they've made a HUGE investment in him. Shanahan's coveted just this type of player for a dozen years. He's wasted money and multiple draft picks looking for a Walker-like talent. Now that he's got the original, he's not going to turn him into a bit player or decoy, period.

Next, Cutler was thrown into the fire last year and, like many second stringers, threw to the second teamer's he had chemistry with - Scheffler and Brandon Marshall. Once Shanahan drills him in the proper progressions of the West Coast offense (Walker #1, Scheffler #2, Smith/Marshall #3) the free-lancing will stop and Walker will post Top 5-15 WR numbers.

BTW, Scheffler could easily just as easily appear on this list as Cutler or Walker. The TE is a key contributor in a well run WCO and he and Cutler are clearly on the same page.

The other player I really like on your list in Dom Davis / Williams. The Texans have so many needs, if they take a pass on RB in the 1st, Domanick has as good a chance as anyone to claim that starting gig. What more can you ask from a 10th+ round flyer?

Again, nice list. (Hey, you any relation to that rock throwin' Bass that keeps breaking my windows?)

 
Undervalued:

QB: Kitna, Cutler, Cambell

RB: Portis, Jordan

WR: R. Brown, S. Holmes, R. Curry

TE: Heap

Overvalued:

QB: Brees, Young, Grossman

RB: Addai, FWP, MJD

WR: Colston, B. Edwards, M. Jones

TE: Gonzalez

 
That's a great list, Bass. I predict at least a 50% direct hit ratio.

On Walker... There's no way (barring injury) he finishes in the 20's among wideouts. First, they've made a HUGE investment in him. Shanahan's coveted just this type of player for a dozen years. He's wasted money and multiple draft picks looking for a Walker-like talent. Now that he's got the original, he's not going to turn him into a bit player or decoy, period.

Next, Cutler was thrown into the fire last year and, like many second stringers, threw to the second teamer's he had chemistry with - Scheffler and Brandon Marshall. Once Shanahan drills him in the proper progressions of the West Coast offense (Walker #1, Scheffler #2, Smith/Marshall #3) the free-lancing will stop and Walker will post Top 5-15 WR numbers.

BTW, Scheffler could easily just as easily appear on this list as Cutler or Walker. The TE is a key contributor in a well run WCO and he and Cutler are clearly on the same page.

The other player I really like on your list in Dom Davis / Williams. The Texans have so many needs, if they take a pass on RB in the 1st, Domanick has as good a chance as anyone to claim that starting gig. What more can you ask from a 10th+ round flyer?

Again, nice list. (Hey, you any relation to that rock throwin' Bass that keeps breaking my windows?)
:goodposting: :rolleyes: :thumbup:
 
bostonfred said:
I just think he's the better WR. ON a ppg basis...
Code:
5 WR  Houshmandzadeh,T.J.   CIN 14	3	6	0   90 1081	9	 0 162.7 11.626 WR  Wayne,Reggie		  IND 16	0	0	0   86 1310	9	 0 185.0 11.567 WR  Johnson,Chad		  CIN 16	6   24	0   87 1370	7	 1 181.4 11.34
And Housh was playing injured all year.
 
If Fitz and Boldin again go into the year both rated top 10, then Lienart should be the most under rated player out there. What kind of numbers does Matt project? Can a QB really have 2 top 10 wideouts and not be a top 5 QB? Something has to give.

I think Fitz and Boldin will probably be over rated again this year.

 
I honestly wonder if Walker will be the same player after Williams' murder. I know if shouldn't affect his playing ability, but it might.
Absolutely, Walker is useless now. Cutler ignored him like the plague last year, too.
:clap: nice expression. H.K.: "When the black death comes to your door just ignore it and you will be fine". :hot:
Thanks for the contribution. :lmao:
Walker averaged over 8 targets a game with Plummer (high of 13).With Cutler at QB, the most targets Walker ever got was 8.
This is the kind of logic, if you don't dig deeper into the reasons for this, that will make Walker one of the better values this year.Good posting BnB, I don't agree with all, but on the whole, a very good list.

 
Walker averaged over 8 targets a game with Plummer (high of 13).

With Cutler at QB, the most targets Walker ever got was 8.
This is the kind of logic, if you don't dig deeper into the reasons for this, that will make Walker one of the better values this year.
Value is attached to the cost of acquisition. If he is chosen as WR5 off the board in a redraft, that is not value.....well, not positive value anyway...Recap:

Bass predicted Walker would be top 5 in 2007, I stated the fact he was putting up WR3 numbers with Cutler last year.

Bass wanted to make a sig bet. I accepted saying no way is Walker Top 5. Bass then wanted to lower the ranking of Walker for the bet based on my expectation. I didn't bite because I was challenging his ranking of Walker as a Top 5 WR....no bet was made.

Summary: Bass does not expect Walker to be Top 5, if he did, he would back it up.

 
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