Beanie Wells mad about role (1 Viewer)

[Easy Six]

lets look at 2009. Wells 4.5 ypc - 11.9 ypr. Peterson 4.4 ypc - 10.1 ypr. So lets stop acting like they are worlds apart.

Absolutely. Chris Wells is a world-beater and will clearly step off of the field and into the hall of fame. Beanie for president 2012.

 

[guderian]

I don't even think Hightower's better. But until Beanie shows that HE'S better, he's got no business questioning the coaching decision. Hence the original post.

There is the catch-22. He can't show he is better until he is given that opportunity, which is why he complained in the first place.But I do agree, at this point in his career he has certainly earned nothing, and I can not imagine the coaches taking his complaints to heart very much.

Agreed that the coaches are probably shaking their heads. As far as opportunity, he had 30 more carries than Pierre Thomas last year. Thomas showed that you can't keep him off the field. Wells didn't. He's had plenty of opportunity to show that he's an Adrian Peterson or a LaDanian Tomlinson, and he's not even a Pierre Thomas.

So he has to average 5.4 yards a carry like Pierre Thomas to prove that he deserves to be on the field?In the last 8 games last year, when they jacked up his number of touches to 13 from 9 he responded with 483 rushing yards (4.6 ypc), 126 receiving yards, 6 TDs and 1 fumble.

If Hightower's averaging 5.5 yards per carry this year - and he is - then yes, he needs to average around that to even start asking "why am I sharing the backfield with this guy?" If he wants "feature back" carries, then he needs to outperform the other guy. Why is that hard to understand?

It's hard to understand because it makes no sense since Hightower's 5.5 ypc is based on only 42 carries and unless you assume that he's going to break an 80-yard run every 42 yards, that number is inflated.

 

[guderian]

To those that say Wells hasn't been given an opportunity to prove what he can do; there's this thing called practice that the coaches get to watch and we don't.

These same coaches thought Leinart was their starter based on practice. I'm not one to immediately start second guessing a coaching staff, but most of the rest of the football world was scratching their heads on that one. So far through 4 games their offense has scored over 13 points twice, so I think we can start questioning what they're thinking.

 

[Easy Six]

Agreed that the coaches are probably shaking their heads. As far as opportunity, he had 30 more carries than Pierre Thomas last year. Thomas showed that you can't keep him off the field. Wells didn't. He's had plenty of opportunity to show that he's an Adrian Peterson or a LaDanian Tomlinson, and he's not even a Pierre Thomas.

So he has to average 5.4 yards a carry like Pierre Thomas to prove that he deserves to be on the field?In the last 8 games last year, when they jacked up his number of touches to 13 from 9 he responded with 483 rushing yards (4.6 ypc), 126 receiving yards, 6 TDs and 1 fumble.

If Hightower's averaging 5.5 yards per carry this year - and he is - then yes, he needs to average around that to even start asking "why am I sharing the backfield with this guy?" If he wants "feature back" carries, then he needs to outperform the other guy. Why is that hard to understand?

It's hard to understand because it makes no sense since Hightower's 5.5 ypc is based on only 42 carries and unless you assume that he's going to break an 80-yard run every 42 yards, that number is inflated.

If you and the other pro-Beanie guys could get together and let me know which year's stats I'm allowed to use to argue, I'd really appreciate it. I tried to remove this year's stats from the discussion and was told that's not fair and that if anything we should forget about all previous years because Warner's not here. So I did that. Now that's not fair to you.Is it just the last 8 games of last year? That's fine if it is, I just want to know what I'm working with.

 

[Easy Six]

Just FYI, that last 8 games of last year - the time period which you pointed out as showing Beanie off -Hightower got no more than 14 carries in any game, and averaged 8 per game (that's LESS than the amount which apparently didn't allow Beanie to gain any actual yardage or show himself off)Hightower had 65 carries for 315 yards (4.8 ypc), 121 receiving yards, and 3 TDs with 2 fumbles. As you said, Beanie had:

483 rushing yards (4.6 ypc), 126 receiving yards, 6 TDs and 1 fumble

These are not wildly different backs from a production standpoint.

 

[DoubleG]

Just FYI, that last 8 games of last year - the time period which you pointed out as showing Beanie off -Hightower got no more than 14 carries in any game, and averaged 8 per game (that's LESS than the amount which apparently didn't allow Beanie to gain any actual yardage or show himself off)Hightower had 65 carries for 315 yards (4.8 ypc), 121 receiving yards, and 3 TDs with 2 fumbles. As you said, Beanie had:

483 rushing yards (4.6 ypc), 126 receiving yards, 6 TDs and 1 fumble

These are not wildly different backs from a production standpoint.

TDs dont count as production anymore?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm just wondering if any of the folks arguing that Hightower deserves his share watched the Cardinals play last year. I know the "watch the games" cliche is old, but I'm not meaning to use it in that sense here, I'm genuinely asking.

Watching the two play there is clearly an enormous difference in talent, and an enormous difference in how they effect the team. If you didn't see the games, just go back and read through the game threads last year to get an indication of how many times Beanie drug a stalling offense out of the mud in the middle of games. You'll see people talking about how much better the offense is moving the ball since Beanie came in, and how amazing Beanie looks running the ball as he turns plays that should have gone nowhere into big runs, or at least solid gains. You'll also see reference to several extremely key 3rd and 4th down conversions that Beanie picked up to win them games.

To me, it's similar to ADP's rookie season. In his rookie year, ADP didn't put up significantly better numbers on a per carry basis than Chester Taylor. In fact, Peterson's ypc was exactly the same improvement over Chester's as Beanie's was over Hightower's. However, it was clear from watching them that the two weren't even on the same plane of existence when it comes to talent.

Peterson got the nod the next year, and the Vikings were rewarded handsomely. For whatever reason, the Cardinals are afraid to take the same leap, in the same situation.

Wells is no Peterson, but he is still one of the most talented backs in the league, right now.

 

[Easy Six]

Just FYI, that last 8 games of last year - the time period which you pointed out as showing Beanie off -Hightower got no more than 14 carries in any game, and averaged 8 per game (that's LESS than the amount which apparently didn't allow Beanie to gain any actual yardage or show himself off)Hightower had 65 carries for 315 yards (4.8 ypc), 121 receiving yards, and 3 TDs with 2 fumbles. As you said, Beanie had:

483 rushing yards (4.6 ypc), 126 receiving yards, 6 TDs and 1 fumble

These are not wildly different backs from a production standpoint.

TDs dont count as production anymore?

Of course they do. I also expect the guy with 106 carries to have more TDs than the one with 65, don't you? Put another way - the first 8 games of the season Wells had 70 attempts and 1 TD. Hightower had 5 in that time. The second half, Hightower had 65 attempts and 3 TDs.

 

[Jack Burton]

Wells just doesn't seem to be a good fit for a RBBC. He needs the ball 20 times a game and I cant see it happening in Zona. Whiz is in love with THT and will keep him involved as much as possible whenever possible.

 

[Easy Six]

I'm just wondering if any of the folks arguing that Hightower deserves his share watched the Cardinals play last year. I know the "watch the games" cliche is old, but I'm not meaning to use it in that sense here, I'm genuinely asking.Watching the two play there is clearly an enormous difference in talent, and an enormous difference in how they effect the team. If you didn't see the games, just go back and read through the game threads last year to get an indication of how many times Beanie drug a stalling offense out of the mud in the middle of games. You'll see people talking about how much better the offense is moving the ball since Beanie came in, and how amazing Beanie looks running the ball as he turns plays that should have gone nowhere into big runs, or at least solid gains. You'll also see reference to several extremely key 3rd and 4th down conversions that Beanie picked up to win them games.To me, it's similar to ADP's rookie season. In his rookie year, ADP didn't put up significantly better numbers on a per carry basis than Chester Taylor. In fact, Peterson's ypc was exactly the same improvement over Chester's as Beanie's was over Hightower's. However, it was clear from watching them that the two weren't even on the same plane of existence when it comes to talent.Peterson got the nod the next year, and the Vikings were rewarded handsomely. For whatever reason, the Cardinals are afraid to take the same leap, in the same situation.Wells is no Peterson, but he is still one of the most talented backs in the league, right now.

In 2007, Chester Taylor was 28 years old and Peterson was 22. Similar production will lead to old giving way to new in that situation.In 2009, Hightower was 23 and Wells was 21. Similar production probably will lead to RBBC in that situation.