What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Bears: Grossman deal imminent (1 Viewer)

Max Power

Footballguy
Grossman nears new deal

BEARS | 1-2 years, incentives likely in contract for QB

February 23, 2008

BY BRAD BIGGS bbiggs@suntimes.com

INDIANAPOLIS -- The first piece of the Bears' free-agent puzzle should be delivered soon as a contract for Rex Grossman is imminent.

The team is expected to reach an agreement to retain the quarterback, perhaps today, after negotiations on a new deal carried late into the evening Friday.

General manager Jerry Angelo met with agent Eugene Parker in the morning and they huddled again throughout the evening working on details of a contract that would bring the first-round pick from 2003 back for what has been said will be a quarterback competition involving Kyle Orton. A source said it will be a one- or two-year deal and includes incentives based on playing time and performance. Re-signing Grossman was one of the organization's top goals when it arrived at the combine Wednesday.

Grossman, who helped the team to Super Bowl XLI the season before, was erratic in the first three games of 2007 before being benched. He was reinserted at Oakland Nov. 11, replacing Brian Griese, and was more consistent before being lost to a minor knee sprain Dec. 6 at Washington. Returning to the Bears provides Grossman with his best opportunity to play in 2008 despite the turbulent experiences and intense scrutiny he has faced. He's said he wants to return.

''It is a body of work,'' coach Lovie Smith said. ''There have been some highs and some lows, but we think Rex is a good football player and I choose to remember more of those highs. I still don't think he's peaked yet. I still think his future is bright.''

But Grossman, who earned $2.035 million last season, will not be handed the starting job. Orton played well enough in three starts to end the season to prove a viable option, one who is not mistake-prone and might be a good fit for the team, especially if the defense and running game return to form. The Bears have done all they can to avoid quarterback competitions in training camp since 2001 when Jim Miller edged Shane Matthews and Cade McNown was never really in the race. But the franchise has not been able to escape the everlasting turnover that seems to come with the position. In Angelo's seven seasons, the team has changed starting quarterbacks 23 times.

''This is a little bit different,'' Angelo said when asked about competition. ''I don't want to say it's tricky, but you're going to have to have a real plan in place to be fair with everybody and to make sure that you're making the right decision because once we make that decision, we're going to go forward with it and we're going to stay with it.

''[Grossman] understands it. He's talked to Lovie about it. I've talked to his agent about it. He's fine with it. Obviously we want to get the best player under center. Kyle did some good things at the end. I think he deserves the right to compete at the position. I know that this isn't going to be something ... I don't see this dragging out into the season. We will have a pretty good feel as we already do about the guys and what the tiebreaker is, that obviously has to be determined by the coaches."

Griese is expected to be released if Grossman returns. He's due a $300,000 roster bonus early next month. But the competition won't begin until Grossman signs the deal.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I know I'm in the minority of Bear's fans, but I like this move, depending on the parameters of the deal. After the benching this past season, he was playing better and had cut down on a lot of the bad things that he did in 2006 and early 2007 - throwing off his back foot, forcing the ball into coverage, not buying time with his feet in the pocket, etc. He knows Turner's system, he knows most of the players (and most of them seem to support him), has a strong arm, and throws a good deep ball.

However, this needs to be a REAL open competition in training camp, not just Lovie Smith paying lip service. Orton looked decent in his three starts, though the staff seemed to dumb down the gameplan for him. I'd like to see what he could do if they take the gloves off.

Let the two of them fight it out. If Grossman wins and continues to develop and the team has success under him, then they can start to discuss a long-term deal (hopefully with a discount due to the faith the Bear's showed). If he bombs, then they can either cut him or keep him as a backup and see if Orton can succeed as a starter.

 
If the Bears' defense does poorly do we look to replace the captains?

-or-

Fix what's wrong with what you can get and

accept Da Coaches advice for peace of mind, "it is what it is."

 
Here is my only issue with this. The one thing Grossman has going for him is that he can make the big plays down the field. Now if Berrian doesn't come back (which is starting to look like the case) what good is it to have a gun slinger without any weapons?

The Bears Offseason plan looks like it will be to get the best O-line $$$ can buy/draft. Bring in another solid back to compete with Benson/AP. Pickup 1-2 middle of the road WRs. IMO to run an Offense more suited to a ball control QB (Orton).

I understand the potential signing, as Grossman was probably the best option out there. I only question why this move comes so quick.

 
Here is my only issue with this. The one thing Grossman has going for him is that he can make the big plays down the field. Now if Berrian doesn't come back (which is starting to look like the case) what good is it to have a gun slinger without any weapons?

The Bears Offseason plan looks like it will be to get the best O-line $$$ can buy/draft. Bring in another solid back to compete with Benson/AP. Pickup 1-2 middle of the road WRs. IMO to run an Offense more suited to a ball control QB (Orton).

I understand the potential signing, as Grossman was probably the best option out there. I only question why this move comes so quick.
That would be the smart move. They could easily find a very good RB in rd3 and 4 to come in and compete with Benson. But it wont matter if they dont fix that pathetic O Line.
 
I think this was the best option for both sides. There wasn't a better option out there on the FA market, and any of the trade options (Anderson and perhaps McNabb) carry plenty of question marks to go along with the probable steep price the Bears would pay. The Bears get a guy who knows the offense and has had some success in it for an incentive-laden deal. On the other hand, this deal gives Rex his best shot to rehabilitate his reputation as a quarterback since he doesn't have to go somewhere new and spend a lot of time learning a different system. I doubt he would have gotten anything better than the Bears' offer, so it would make little sense for him to go elsewhere, especially since the starting QB spot in Chicago is up for grabs. This isn't a great move for either side, but it was probably the best available move for both (which still has me a bit nauseous about the Bear QB position in 2008).

Hopefully Angelo will get some good o-linemen in free agency, find some solid, affordable receivers, and draft the QB of the future in April (oh yeah, and tell Cedric Benson that training camp is Ulan Bator this year). The number of improvements the Bear offense needs is pretty staggering.

 
Grossman agrees to one-year contract with Bears

By Larry Mayer

LAKE FOREST, Ill. – Quarterback Rex Grossman and the Bears have agreed to a one-year contract. The 2003 first-round draft pick had been slated to become an unrestricted free agent next Friday. Check ChicagoBears.com later for more details

 
Where's my gun?

If they whack Griese now, or trade him.... who will they have to backup Orton and the rookie they draft in Round One or Two this year?

Dumb deal....

Rex is who we thought he was. BAD.

This comes down to one thing: Ron Turner's rift with Brian Griese in which Griese said he couldn't hear any plays in his helmet, and led the team on the game winning drive in Philly.

NFL Sunday Ticket renewal is guaranteed in my household.

 
This makes sense, although I'm a little surprised Grossman's agent didn't get a 2nd year out of the deal. Last season the Ravens gave Boller a 2-year extension with a super cap friendly $3mm in 2008; I kind of figured Grossman would use that as a starting point. Shows you how unsure HE was at the potential of signing with another team as a starter.

You have to like this move for Chicago because it keeps their investment in Grossman from evaporating, but it by no means locks them into anything long term. They now can legitimately focus on the draft and finding a long-term answer, but don't have to use a 1st round pick on a QB b/c Grossman is still in place.

 
Per John Clayton:

Under terms of the deal, Grossman will have a $3 million base salary. He can make close to $2 million in incentives as long as he's the starting quarterback.

Not bad at all

 
Per John Clayton:Under terms of the deal, Grossman will have a $3 million base salary. He can make close to $2 million in incentives as long as he's the starting quarterback. Not bad at all
So, it's $5 million if he basically starts and plays well ?
 
Rumor has it that Griese is on the way out the door. I guess Ron Turner felt "shown up" during the final mins of the Philly game when Griese lost communications with the OC and drove the ball 80+ yards for a last min win.

Orton and Rex will both be given a fair shot at the #1 spot in camp. Bears will draft a QB in the first 4 rounds. Looks like they will be hoping Flacco is there in RD2, if not Henne in 3 or 4.

 
Rumor has it that Griese is on the way out the door. I guess Ron Turner felt "shown up" during the final mins of the Philly game when Griese lost communications with the OC and drove the ball 80+ yards for a last min win. Orton and Rex will both be given a fair shot at the #1 spot in camp. Bears will draft a QB in the first 4 rounds. Looks like they will be hoping Flacco is there in RD2, if not Henne in 3 or 4.
Henne won't last till three or four after the bowl games he had.
 
:confused: Thank god! A buddy of mine saw him playing golf with Gruden / Bruce Allen last week. Glad he isn't coming here, and he is still the Bears problem. :thumbup:
 
This just shows me that once again Jerry Angelo is unable to admit mistakes and move on. His stubbornness really hurts the Bears.

 
Here we go again. When will it ever end??????????? Worst qb/rb duo in the league. :popcorn: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Max Power said:
Rumor has it that Griese is on the way out the door. I guess Ron Turner felt "shown up" during the final mins of the Philly game when Griese lost communications with the OC and drove the ball 80+ yards for a last min win. Orton and Rex will both be given a fair shot at the #1 spot in camp. Bears will draft a QB in the first 4 rounds. Looks like they will be hoping Flacco is there in RD2, if not Henne in 3 or 4.
Can someone explain to me why Ron Turner still has a job?
 
Max Power said:
Rumor has it that Griese is on the way out the door. I guess Ron Turner felt "shown up" during the final mins of the Philly game when Griese lost communications with the OC and drove the ball 80+ yards for a last min win.

Orton and Rex will both be given a fair shot at the #1 spot in camp. Bears will draft a QB in the first 4 rounds. Looks like they will be hoping Flacco is there in RD2, if not Henne in 3 or 4.
Can someone explain to me why Ron Turner still has a job?
who knows. The ChicagoBears message Board has a 42 page thread calling for his job.http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/790984.aspx

 
Max Power said:
Rumor has it that Griese is on the way out the door. I guess Ron Turner felt "shown up" during the final mins of the Philly game when Griese lost communications with the OC and drove the ball 80+ yards for a last min win.

Orton and Rex will both be given a fair shot at the #1 spot in camp. Bears will draft a QB in the first 4 rounds. Looks like they will be hoping Flacco is there in RD2, if not Henne in 3 or 4.
Can someone explain to me why Ron Turner still has a job?
who knows. The ChicagoBears message Board has a 42 page thread calling for his job.http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/790984.aspx
Only 42 pages? I am disappointed in you Bears fans!
 
Max Power said:
Rumor has it that Griese is on the way out the door. I guess Ron Turner felt "shown up" during the final mins of the Philly game when Griese lost communications with the OC and drove the ball 80+ yards for a last min win. Orton and Rex will both be given a fair shot at the #1 spot in camp. Bears will draft a QB in the first 4 rounds. Looks like they will be hoping Flacco is there in RD2, if not Henne in 3 or 4.
I would take him back in Tampa. He is better than any of our current back-ups imho.
 
Everyone who is posting here that is against this move isn't providing a better solution. I think a one year deal is pretty good. Orton is a decent backup Qb and if they draft a QB, they should be serviceable at the position this year. As bad as the QB position many people think it is in Chicago, the Bears don't have the biggest QB problems in the NFL (Baltimore, Minny, Miami, NYJ, KC, SF are among some that come to mind). I don't really think there wll be an open and fair competiton at the position in trainig camp, but I don't see the harm in giving him one more shot as a starter, considering the Bears don't have many options and they keep him on a short leash.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top